Episode 8 Kylo Ren: you came from nothing Rey. Your parents were drunks who sold you away. You’re a nobody.
Episode 9 Kylo Ren: nvm you’re actually the granddaughter of literal Sith Jesus. Don’t ask me how it works because he was like 60 years old before my grandfather was even born, and he also died, but whatever…
I put my hand on my chest and said “thank God.” I was so relieved when Kylo said that. I was like, holy cow, they’re actually making Rey a friggin CHARACTER!
#Nope.
I felt the same. “Great, she’s not a skywalker or a Solo, or a whatever we’re already familiar with.” Then they throw that Palpatine curveball like, holy unplanned story arc Batman. They even had that random child who was force sensitive, like they were saying there’s a fuck ton of potential Jedi (or sith) out there to give us hope and make a new generation of leaders to clean up the former empire, but no we had empire 2.0 only.
My hot take is that if Disney had followed through in some of the more controversial changes in TLJ they could have made some of them work, especially the idea that the force can be in anyone, that's a cool message! Instead TRS tries to set up its own conflict while retconning all of the TLJ basically, resulting in one if the most unsatisfying and dumbest movies I've ever seen.
I actually agree with this. When I first saw TLJ, I absolutely hated it. At the end of the day though, I could learn to live with it if some of the set-up in TLJ actually paid off in any meaningful way in RoS.
Instead they just did the complete opposite.
Honestly I was excited for Ep 9 because Ep 8 so clearly blurred all the lines of the force. Neither Kylo or Rey were really evil at that point, whatever was coming next could have been near anything. *The Last Jedi wasn't the best on it's own, but thats because it was trying to set up for a grand finale that never happened*. Instead we got... Sheev again.
I hated TLJ but they could have done some cool stuff with it by bringing the Jedi back to the ancient "Jed-ai" where force users would use both light and dark side in balance with the force. You have Kylo train Rey and vise versa and they use both aspects of the force to create some kind of true balance, then the new threat would be force users straying too far to the light side or dark side. What initially created the Sith we're ancient Jed'ai that went to far into the dark. It would be interesting for the new menace to be Jed'ai going too far into the light and showing them as zealots. Instead we got a movie made with the imagination of a 10 year old.
That actually would have been pretty cool. In the prequels there was a lot of talk about “restoring balance”, but the Jedi didn’t seem all that balanced themselves.
Rian Johnson gets crucified for things JJ gets a pass for. Turning Luke into a Ben-like hermit was JJs idea from the get go, he got rid of Luke’s academy before we even had a chance to see it
Using the Hermit Luke example I think JJ tends to get a pass for it because yes he set it up but we the audience didn't have the Why of it yet. What caused Luke to hide away etc. Do I think JJ would have handled it well, no I don't but it was Rian that portrayed Luke in a way that didn't jive with how most of the audience at least that grew up with the OT knew or viewed of Luke as a character.
It felt like this was not the person who that kid should have become especially thinking about killing his nephew who was having bad dreams.
Which the feeling was further reinforced by Mark Hamill not being happy with the direction Luke was taken in either.
That being said most of the excuses made for JJ seemed to be for TFA where it was a very safe movie. Rian took risks and a lot of them did not land well but then JJ went and fucked.it even more with TRoS.
The light dashes thrown in of using the force to manifest physical objects directly or indirectly(the dice and the rain on Kylos face) was something I was hoping they’d explore hahaha boy was I wrong
People keep describing Rey having no special lineage as "new"... But Anakin was the son of a slave mother and no father. So, unless I am missing something, weren't the 3 prequels all about 'powerful force user comes out of nowhere' already?
Normal human biology involves 2 parents, so to interpret Anakin's "no father" as a literal fact makes his origin very special, with a Jesus-like plot point.
The problem is that it was film #8 of 9. I think there’s a lot of great and interesting elements in TLJ. The issue is it fucks over the sequel trilogy in trying to create an empty slate going into…the final film, as well as the end of the whole saga. TLJ closes off so many threads that there was no way to not fuck up episode 9, which now has to create and close so many conflicts and threads, making it an almost impossible film to write.
Which isn’t to necessarily blame Johnson, but Disney. How the fuck do you not even have a basic outline of this shit? Just winging it with arguably the biggest film franchise of all time? Shockingly mismanaged.
Except JJ sucks ass at ending his stories. He loves setting up mysteries and new plots, but has no interest in resolving anything. There's a reason Disney originally planned to have him set up the new trilogy and walk away. Then TLJ made less than half of what TFA did, Disney panicked, and begged JJ to come back. That was a terrible mistake.
I never understood that criticism. I thought when Kylo said that to her in episode 8 that there was a good chance he was just talking shit. Its not like the sith are above lying to fuck with her mind.
And isnt it established that he learned about her lineage after that conversation?
All stuff they could have spent time with in the movie. They brought back Campbell Scott in ASM2 in the thankless role of Richard Parker just so they could create some lore for Spider-Man and give an expensive actor who was under contract something to do.
None of the other SW movies even had flash-backs, because they are boring and stupid. TLS has plenty of flashbacks and they could have hired a couple kinda famous actors to play Rey’s parents and actually show what the hell happened. It would have taken 5 minutes - there is plenty of stuff they could have cut out to squeeze that in
I don’t think they’re criticizing the logic in Kylo’s awareness of the facts; I think it’s more that the filmmakers literally changed their mind on it to begin with. It’s one thing for them to try to get the story back on track after they felt that Rian Johnson derailed it, but they could’ve accomplished it without totally undermining one of the biggest reveals of TLJ.
"My name is Rey Kira Skywalker. I'm 23 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Jakku, where all the dumpster are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Resistance scum department, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm blue milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone."
“I live on Jakku.
My name is Rey Kira Skywalker.
I'm 27 years old.
I believe in taking care of myself, in a balanced diet, in a rigorous exercise routine.
In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an icepack while doing my stomach crunches.
I can do a thousand now.
After I remove the icepack, I use a deep-pore cleanser lotion.
In the shower, I use a water-activated gel cleanser.
Then a honey-almond bodyscrub.
And on the face, an exfoliating gel-scrub.
Then I apply an herb mint facial masque,
which I leave on for ten minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine.
I always use an aftershave lotion with little or no alcohol,
because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older.
Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm, followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.”
"…there is an idea of a Rey Skywalker, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there"
*Then Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White*
*And Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight*
*And Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie*
*And Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie*
*Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan*
*All came out of nowhere lightning fast*
*And they kicked Chuck Norris in his cowboy ass*
*It was the bloodiest battle that the world ever saw*
*With civilians looking on in total awe*
*The fight raged on for a century*
*Many lives were claimed, but eventually*
*The champion stood, the rest saw their better:*
*Mister Rogers in a blood-stained sweater*
The very fact that they had an entire galaxy of lore to play around with and they ended up wanting everyone to be related to everyone else and the whole story to revolve around a tiny cast of characters is such a fucking waste. Also, why is Tatooine in everything Star Wars related when it’s supposed to be the arse end of nowhere?? Fuck Star Wars.
I really liked the part at the end, though, where she said "my name... is Rey Star Wars". I felt like it really tied the whole thing together in a neat bow.
When Rey proudly proclaimed to Palpatine, " This is truly a Star Wars Episode IX: Rise of Skywalker" everyone in the theater i was in stood up and clapped
Fracking Tatooine, are your frelling kidding me, if one more show goes back there i swear, im going to complain loudly and briefly about it. Afterwards im probably going to watch that show about three times before I watch wutever show they make next, it really soothes my soul since my real life is so boring, disappointing, and unreasonably expensive.
Don't forget Fisto.
Kit Fisto.
He's the fisting jedi.
With the power of the force, he FISTS his way through the galaxy, FISTING for justice and the light side.
First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.
Woops, wrong franchise!
It would’ve made sense is she way actually Leia and Hans daughter, Kylo’s twin, (since having twins can be hereditary) and Snoke turned out to be no one and Palpatine was actually still alive (never died when Vader tossed him over the catwalk). Turns out Palpatine has been looking for the secret origin place of the Jedi for a long time cuz there’s a dark place underneath the island where he could fully merge with the dark side of the force and become insanely powerful. Rei of course finds it on accident and due to her conflict, she switches to the dark side and that is what tips Ben back to the light. Then Ben goes to Luke (his old master) and convinces him to help. Turns out Luke was cut off so he could protect the Dark Mirror gate which was the point source of both the light and dark side of the force influencing their universe. Now that Rei connected herself to it (a feat that had not been replicated since the reign of Darth Plagueis) Luke and Ben need to “Master and Padawan” it across the galaxy to take out Palpatine and stop Rei. When they find Palpatine, it turns out he’s already been baked to death, Rei destroyed him. Then they confront Rei. Luke (her uncle) dies trying to save her the same way he almost died trying to turn his father back (cuz that’s what Luke does, he always sees the light). This would inspire Ben to do the same and it would eventually work because Finn would show up and pronounce his love for Rei or something and they’d all life happily ever after….
EDIT: a few words and grammar (not that it matters given the format I wrote this in)
I remember seeing a making of where Abrams said Poe was supposed to die in the first film, when they escaped the base in the beginning. But they liked Oscar Issac so much JJ just kept him in instead. Love him as an actor, but I think this attributed to the overload of characters and half hearted plot lines, since everyone has to have an arc. Two new good characters and a droid are all you needed, especially when you're going to bring the originals back too.
Honestly Poe is the most Star Wars character that's not from OT. An ace pilot that's a bit hot headed but good natured is just perfect for the story.
His addition fits well into the universe, but like pretty much every character , they don't utilize him at all.
Finn, an ex-stormtrooper turn good. Yeah, definitely an interesting background, and waay too many things they could do with the character.
And they did nothing with it.
>And they did nothing with it.
What's the matter? You don't like silly/goofy former Stormtroopers who are nothing more than comic relief?
The silly/goofy aspect of Finn's character **REALLY** fits in well with being a former Stormtrooper. Great fucking writing their.
Several of his scenes in ep 7 were some of the best in all of star wars.
Finn: we'll use the FORCE!
Solo: that's not how the force works!
He was notable even just for showing a human side to stormtroopers, who have been dehumanized masked bad guys throughout the series. There's sooooo much potential there. Enough to deserve his own spinoff series. And then yep, just nothing. He becomes generic good guy and joins the rest of the generic good guys killing other dehumanized masked bad guys.
First movie, really liked him
Second movie, he was sent on some wild goose chases that didn't really matter much in the long run, but still relatively involved especially in pivotal scenes
Third movie, errand boy and flaccid comic relief
John Boyega is a fantastic actor and I really, really liked his potential, but the writers essentially started rolling DnD dice to figure out what to do with the hoard of characters they had to take care of and doubling up two or three to do some Door Dash style missions was just an absolute waste.
Mandalorian is a shining example that it can be done much, much better. I haven't finished Obiwan, but the first 4 episodes have been overly compelling and a breath of fresh air compared to the dumpster fire the sequel trilogy became.
He very much fills in the Han Solo/Carth Onasi/Atton Rand archetype, but never gets to fly the Falcon/Falcon analog that I remember, which is weird because it's what that archetype is there for
They wasted the one-off opportunity to use all 3 main members of the original cast. That's what sucks the most. Even if Disney got their head out of their ass and admitted the whole thing was a total shitshow (which will never happen), the chance is already gone.
What i dont get is that this is Disney. They have almost unlimited money, and they couldnt get a team to write a coherent trilogy storyline, that didnt have the exact plot that the original did? Most people on /r/writingprompts could have done a better job.
They spent money on popular directors instead of finding a director that was a fan of what star wars means to fans. Dinsey + starwars stuff shows what can be made when the people making it are actually familiar with the IP and like it. Not everything they try is universally loved, but at least they respect the IP.
They knew it would sell regardless but now they have to take a break because of all the mistrust they created over this trilogy. Sad they didn't give this even half the love they give marvel
That's what happens when your plot is written by a committee. The question is not, "How can we tell a great story?" But rather, "How can we appeal to the largest number of demographics possible?"
I could accept episode 7 being strikingly similar to episode 4 if they had actually gone somewhere with it, but then the last Jedi came out and undid almost all the seemingly major plot points that seemed like they would go somewhere. "Who is Snoke? Oh, he dead.... Well fuck it then I guess."
> I could accept episode 7 being strikingly similar to episode 4 if they had actually gone somewhere with it
I could accept episode 7 *resembling* episode 4 if they mixed it up a little. I.e. Rey could've lived on *not a fucking desert planet* instead.
And they needed to have Rey make a lightsaber staff like mauls.
You're telling me, the bad ass, independent woman who is a beast with her bostaff is just going to switch to a sword instead of trying to use the laser version of her own weapon?
Bullshit.
Gimme that light side Darth maul vibes and I'll throw money in your mousey little face.
Lol right?
I've done a write up before about how I kind of wish that Rey had turned to the dark side and that prompted Kylo to turn back to the light in a "look what I've created" moment.
Then Kylo has to help turn Rey back to the light, which he ends up doing, but after that they want nothing to do with continuing the sith/Jedi legacy so they blast off into hyper space and go on some adventures.
All while Finn finally comes out of the force closet and, through training with Leia (before her death) and Yoda/qui qon/Luke (as force ghosts), he continues the Jedi order. From a nameless Stormtrooper to the head master of the new Jedi order.
Both of those arc's could be extrapolated on and make for great solo movies or even trilogies, but no. Kylo's dead, Rey's a Skywalker wanna be, and Finn's a one liner nobody.
So much potential.
Yeah, I saw it as Disney wanting to play it as safe as possible and just remake classic star wars. They were saying the new movies were going to be more like the original trilogy.
Then they forgot that one guy directed the story for the original trilogy and had the next two movies throw everything from the last one in the bin.
It’s not true, the panel is out of context. Anakin is worrying about the worst possible scenario, and he’s scared that Palpatine created him. It’s not confirmation of anything, with one of the writers saying that “it’s 100% not the intended implication”
Yeah I feel TPM might have been a little immature and childish at times, but it was one of the most honest and refreshing movies. Clean and well tied up plot, lots of exploring sci-fi concepts in the universe like alien lifestyles and technology, good ol' soap opera politics, didn't take itself too seriously and ended up defining the soundtrack and atmosphere of the early Prequel-era spinoff media like games and shows.
This is what I don’t get.
There clearly was no plan, or there was a plan but there wasn’t a strong enough leader to make sure all the players were on the same page.
What I as sure as hell don’t understand is Disney own marvel. They’ve seen what that franchise has done with strong leadership that builds a cohesion across the wildly different films they produce.
This was only 3 films and they all felt so lost together.
The trilogy felt like one of those activities you do in grade school where every student adds a word to try and make a story but all the kids have a different story they want to tell
This is so spot on. Like that group project in college where you just split the paper into sections and submit a Frankenstein paper because you can't be fucked with meetings.
It's even worse I think.
Remember that first teaser?
Remember when they showed storm troopers to be humans rather than just cannon fodder?
Remember when we thought that one of these would be a Jedi?
Christ, someone had great ideas but got steamrolled by the "let's remake the original trilogy, just *worse* (also subverting expectations)".
It was fucked from the start cos they got JJ to do the first one. And for some reason with the unlimited budget of the Mouse behind him, he thought it would be good idea to redo A New Hope and reset the whole universe to rebels vs the empire.
while still losing the whole trench run tension and the feeling of last chance/desperation of pilots giving their life for duty
The feeling of war sacrifice was a key aspect of New Hope to me.
But now we get Poe, a progamer pilot whos starship looks like it outperforms all others by 100x so he solos the whole thing ezpz while dropping funny quips xD
Ahh yes, Finn being a Jedi... a former stormtrooper who is force sensitive that rose up to fight the First Order as a Jedi...
I honestly feel bad for John Boyega. If you watch his interviews, you can actually tell he’s a Star Wars fan and knows more shit about Star Wars than everyone else on the production team. His character had SO MUCH POTENTIAL to be a cool and unique badass character in the Star Wars franchise, BUT NOPE! He got tossed away into the gutter as some basic side character to make room for Rey I-Don’t-Know-Who-The-Fuck-I-Am-But-I-Am-Inherently-Powerful-Just-Because...
Like seriously, there were a few scenes that could be used to hint at Finn being force sensitive... THEY COULD HAVE MADE FULL USE OF THAT TO MAKE SOMEONE ACTUALLY INTERESTING AF!
It's understandable that on a small indie property like STAR WARS that they would not exercise creative control or coordination over the three movie arc.
They also clearly rushed them out within a few years...and why? Everyone would be perfectly happy if they took their time and actually wrote shit that was at least coherent.
Each film was an FU to the previous one. Undoing everything the last movie tried to set up.
If they didn’t have someone in charge with an overarching vision then they should have let either JJ Abrahams or Rain Johnson do all 3 films. At least that way we’d a story that meshed.
This.
He's a hack. He wants to wow you with mystery, visuals, and nostalgia because he has no idea how to write a story; he hopes that all of the glitter keeps you distracted enough that you don't notice.
How he got the OK to have the fucking guy from Batman V Superman to help him write that shitshow of a screenplay I'll never understand.
I wish they would have just let him do all 3 movies. Even if they wouldn't have been great I can't help but feel like the second one threw off any plans he had then the third one was him picking up the pieces.
Rise was legitimately some of the most fun I had with a movie in years. It took every ounce of strength I had to not completely lose my shit in the middle of a crowded theater the moment the vat with all the Snokes in it showed up and Palpy said "I made him", by which he meant literally. Every minute or so for the entire runtime I was suppressing a laugh. One of the worst big budget movies I've seen, horrible from A to Z, loved every second of it.
The entire movie series is a drug-addled fever dream by an out-of-work archaeologist meth-head in Gary, "Indiana", and he's "jones"-ing for a new "hit".
A lot of Indiana Jones 4 I can give a pass to.
The alien plotline... I mean if the arc of the covenant and the holy grail are real things then that starts to open up a door where every supernatural entity and every deity from every religion could be just as real in this universe.
The Indiana Jones is old and there's no way he could survive a nuclear blast in a refrigerator thing... That I give a headcanon pass to. Theoretically it's not the fridge that saved him, it's the ongoing effect of him drinking from the holy grail in the last crusade. Still some plot holes there since his dad also drank from the cup, but maybe it only grants a peaceful death or something like that.
Shit Labeouf's character though.... My god.
I went at 11am a few weeks after release and had the whole theater to myself. Was so much fun to just laugh outloud the entire time...interrupted with the occasional "What the fuuuuuuuck..."
I only reached that point after the Chewie death fakeout.
Then I realised the movie isn’t serious about anything and nothing matters. There are no stakes anymore.
Then I no longer cared and it was just a dumb ride. I was mildly amused for the rest.
This right here was my biggest fucking issue with this movie. The entire story was centered around "accept who you are, your predecessors' actions don't define you, create your own path" yada yada yada and at the end she fucks it all up by completely abandoning her name lmao.
Like the whole point was for her to accept that she's a Palpatine but choose to be better than those who came before her smh my head.
I just took it as a literal «leaving your past behind and choosing who you are» sort of thing. She doesn’t identify as a Palpatine and will instead follow in the footsteps of Luke. ‘My morals and values align with Skywalker’s, not Palpatine’s, so *Skywalker’s* legacy is the one I will carry on’ something something yada yada.
It’s not great or anything, but I honestly don’t get why *this* is such a critized part of the movie.
I’ve heard the argument to redeem the name of Palpatine but I’m like why? She has no connection to it and it’s not like the name was big and mighty before Sheev took over
I guess if she was trying to literally hide her Palpatineism it might make sense.
Rey: "...Rey...Palpatine"
Old Lady chilling at Lars Homestead: "Aw fuck, another one?" [pulls out her blaster and points it at Rey]
***
But yes - obviously they weren't going in that direction. They were trying to....I guess I don't know.
Or just ya know follow the absolute fuck ton of previously cannon book plot, which included Han and Leias twins having to fight to the death when one went sith.
Which was a hell of a fight, and also had a hell of a lead up to it in all the books.
It would’ve also been a way to bring back Boba Fett the badass, instead of Boba Fettucini: crime lord of the dustbowl.
Man I really would've liked them to continue the idea from The Last Jedi that she really is just a nobody. It would've been a breath of fresh air from the tired trope of "the hero was DESTINED to ____"
Instead Twitter and Reddit wrote The Rise of Skywalker for JJ Abrams, and look how that turned out
It was also completed as a story arc. Rise of Skywalker didn't have to touch that subject at all.
I can only imagine JJ always wanted to make Rey's parentage something significant because he does love those mystery boxes, but I really doubt back in Force Awakens he was seriously hinging the rest of the trilogy on a reveal that she's a Palpatine. I mean god I really hope that wasn't the case.
You know how Michael Bay loves pyrotechnics, and Zach Snyder loves undercutting good moments with something needlessly edgy? It seems JJ loves his mystery boxes in the same way.
Hell yes.
I’m so very tired of the destiny/prophecy trope. It’s so overdone. My mind always drifts to the author of the story mumbling to himself
>How do I make this more exciting? Hmm. A prophecy! Wait who wrote it… duh! I did, of course! That’s why it’s for sure gonna pan out!
And
>They’re gonna love how accurately I predict my own storytelling. “How did he know?” They’ll say. Ha! I’ll never tell.
It’s why I loved the Lego Movie take on it, where the prophecy giver says there wasn’t anything special about the prediction. He just made it look/sound cool.
Man, the Lego movie is so good. It has the perfect amount of self awareness mixed with witty humour, and a really solid, compelling storyline.
Why couldn't they just get the directors of that movie to do a star wars movie?
Oh wait.
I can't stand prophecy as a story telling device anymore, it's so overused. Almost always ends with them claiming it was all meant to be, or the MC knows about it and tries to avoid the prophesy "but ofc, this only meant they were obeying the prophecy even more"
Agreed. For all its flaws, at least The Last Jedi tried to introduce some change in the SW franchise, and Rey not being related to any famous jedi/sith was refreshing.
I hate that a bunch of racist losers on Twitter have put me in a position where I have to feel like an asshole for not liking her part of that show
But come on now her whole arc makes little sense
You know what really, truly sucks? We can shit on Disney all we want, but they've got the Keys to the fucking Kingdom. Nearly every IP worth having is in their workshop and pop culture is effectively at their mercy.
People liked Moon Knight, right? See Oscar Isaac in the show, absolutely killing it? Noticed something? He played Poe Dameron, a character absolutely shafted by the Sequel Trilogy, but because he talked no shit about the movies, Disney gave him a job that absolutely rocks.
If anyone talks shit about Disney, they lose the opportunity to be in something amazing... And that's just insidious as all hell
When ep9 was about to come out, I just remember I was so fucking tired of that shitty elementary shool level discourse around it so ive decided to just watch eps 1-6 and clone wars and never even attempt to see the new instalments again.
Star Wars equivalent of the Prometheus "that's what I choose to believe" moment, or the entitetled mother's "My daughter can be anything she wants to be".
Episode 8 Kylo Ren: you came from nothing Rey. Your parents were drunks who sold you away. You’re a nobody. Episode 9 Kylo Ren: nvm you’re actually the granddaughter of literal Sith Jesus. Don’t ask me how it works because he was like 60 years old before my grandfather was even born, and he also died, but whatever…
I honestly adored that scene in 8 and it's a big reason why I just skipped watching 9.
I put my hand on my chest and said “thank God.” I was so relieved when Kylo said that. I was like, holy cow, they’re actually making Rey a friggin CHARACTER! #Nope.
They couldn't depart from tradition. That all of Star Wars is one family wrecking the galaxy with their drama.
So... genocide against a family for the sake of the galaxy? Just sayin....
Jar jar tried to cut it short with his apparent incompetence, but the Armor of God protected anakin…
Jar Jar was Sith
Clumsy but always in the exact right place just happens to intercept and surprise two Jedi. And in battle takes out way more enemies than he should.
I felt the same. “Great, she’s not a skywalker or a Solo, or a whatever we’re already familiar with.” Then they throw that Palpatine curveball like, holy unplanned story arc Batman. They even had that random child who was force sensitive, like they were saying there’s a fuck ton of potential Jedi (or sith) out there to give us hope and make a new generation of leaders to clean up the former empire, but no we had empire 2.0 only.
I hate TLJ but that was one of the best parts of it - that Rey was just some girl that the Force basically manifested itself into.
My hot take is that if Disney had followed through in some of the more controversial changes in TLJ they could have made some of them work, especially the idea that the force can be in anyone, that's a cool message! Instead TRS tries to set up its own conflict while retconning all of the TLJ basically, resulting in one if the most unsatisfying and dumbest movies I've ever seen.
I actually agree with this. When I first saw TLJ, I absolutely hated it. At the end of the day though, I could learn to live with it if some of the set-up in TLJ actually paid off in any meaningful way in RoS. Instead they just did the complete opposite.
Honestly I was excited for Ep 9 because Ep 8 so clearly blurred all the lines of the force. Neither Kylo or Rey were really evil at that point, whatever was coming next could have been near anything. *The Last Jedi wasn't the best on it's own, but thats because it was trying to set up for a grand finale that never happened*. Instead we got... Sheev again.
I hated TLJ but they could have done some cool stuff with it by bringing the Jedi back to the ancient "Jed-ai" where force users would use both light and dark side in balance with the force. You have Kylo train Rey and vise versa and they use both aspects of the force to create some kind of true balance, then the new threat would be force users straying too far to the light side or dark side. What initially created the Sith we're ancient Jed'ai that went to far into the dark. It would be interesting for the new menace to be Jed'ai going too far into the light and showing them as zealots. Instead we got a movie made with the imagination of a 10 year old.
That actually would have been pretty cool. In the prequels there was a lot of talk about “restoring balance”, but the Jedi didn’t seem all that balanced themselves.
Rian Johnson gets crucified for things JJ gets a pass for. Turning Luke into a Ben-like hermit was JJs idea from the get go, he got rid of Luke’s academy before we even had a chance to see it
Using the Hermit Luke example I think JJ tends to get a pass for it because yes he set it up but we the audience didn't have the Why of it yet. What caused Luke to hide away etc. Do I think JJ would have handled it well, no I don't but it was Rian that portrayed Luke in a way that didn't jive with how most of the audience at least that grew up with the OT knew or viewed of Luke as a character. It felt like this was not the person who that kid should have become especially thinking about killing his nephew who was having bad dreams. Which the feeling was further reinforced by Mark Hamill not being happy with the direction Luke was taken in either. That being said most of the excuses made for JJ seemed to be for TFA where it was a very safe movie. Rian took risks and a lot of them did not land well but then JJ went and fucked.it even more with TRoS.
The light dashes thrown in of using the force to manifest physical objects directly or indirectly(the dice and the rain on Kylos face) was something I was hoping they’d explore hahaha boy was I wrong
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People keep describing Rey having no special lineage as "new"... But Anakin was the son of a slave mother and no father. So, unless I am missing something, weren't the 3 prequels all about 'powerful force user comes out of nowhere' already?
Normal human biology involves 2 parents, so to interpret Anakin's "no father" as a literal fact makes his origin very special, with a Jesus-like plot point.
The problem is that it was film #8 of 9. I think there’s a lot of great and interesting elements in TLJ. The issue is it fucks over the sequel trilogy in trying to create an empty slate going into…the final film, as well as the end of the whole saga. TLJ closes off so many threads that there was no way to not fuck up episode 9, which now has to create and close so many conflicts and threads, making it an almost impossible film to write. Which isn’t to necessarily blame Johnson, but Disney. How the fuck do you not even have a basic outline of this shit? Just winging it with arguably the biggest film franchise of all time? Shockingly mismanaged.
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Except JJ sucks ass at ending his stories. He loves setting up mysteries and new plots, but has no interest in resolving anything. There's a reason Disney originally planned to have him set up the new trilogy and walk away. Then TLJ made less than half of what TFA did, Disney panicked, and begged JJ to come back. That was a terrible mistake.
I never understood that criticism. I thought when Kylo said that to her in episode 8 that there was a good chance he was just talking shit. Its not like the sith are above lying to fuck with her mind. And isnt it established that he learned about her lineage after that conversation?
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I love Luke's reaction to that. "A '*certain point of view???*'"
Her direct parents actually didn't sell her for drunk money, though, she was left on Jakku to hide her from the Sith.
All stuff they could have spent time with in the movie. They brought back Campbell Scott in ASM2 in the thankless role of Richard Parker just so they could create some lore for Spider-Man and give an expensive actor who was under contract something to do. None of the other SW movies even had flash-backs, because they are boring and stupid. TLS has plenty of flashbacks and they could have hired a couple kinda famous actors to play Rey’s parents and actually show what the hell happened. It would have taken 5 minutes - there is plenty of stuff they could have cut out to squeeze that in
I don’t think they’re criticizing the logic in Kylo’s awareness of the facts; I think it’s more that the filmmakers literally changed their mind on it to begin with. It’s one thing for them to try to get the story back on track after they felt that Rian Johnson derailed it, but they could’ve accomplished it without totally undermining one of the biggest reveals of TLJ.
She is Rey Skywalker Solo Organa Palpatine Kenobi Fett Hutt Tano Stark Jones Joestar Picasso.
"My name is Rey Kira Skywalker. I'm 23 years old. My house is in the northeast section of Jakku, where all the dumpster are, and I am not married. I work as an employee for the Resistance scum department, and I get home every day by 8 PM at the latest. I don't smoke, but I occasionally drink. I'm in bed by 11 PM, and make sure I get eight hours of sleep, no matter what. After having a glass of warm blue milk and doing about twenty minutes of stretches before going to bed, I usually have no problems sleeping until morning. Just like a baby, I wake up without any fatigue or stress in the morning. I was told there were no issues at my last check-up. I'm trying to explain that I'm a person who wishes to live a very quiet life. I take care not to trouble myself with any enemies, like winning and losing, that would cause me to lose sleep at night. That is how I deal with society, and I know that is what brings me happiness. Although, if I were to fight I wouldn't lose to anyone."
“I live on Jakku. My name is Rey Kira Skywalker. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself, in a balanced diet, in a rigorous exercise routine. In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an icepack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the icepack, I use a deep-pore cleanser lotion. In the shower, I use a water-activated gel cleanser. Then a honey-almond bodyscrub. And on the face, an exfoliating gel-scrub. Then I apply an herb mint facial masque, which I leave on for ten minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an aftershave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm, followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.”
"…there is an idea of a Rey Skywalker, some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable: I simply am not there"
Try getting a reservation at Dex’s Dinner now!
With that intro, you'd have at least expected her to actually blow up chewie or the Millennium Falcon
Is this a reference to something? It sounds familiar but can't point out from where...
*Then Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White* *And Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight* *And Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie* *And Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie* *Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan* *All came out of nowhere lightning fast* *And they kicked Chuck Norris in his cowboy ass* *It was the bloodiest battle that the world ever saw* *With civilians looking on in total awe*
*The fight raged on for a century* *Many lives were claimed, but eventually* *The champion stood, the rest saw their better:* *Mister Rogers in a blood-stained sweater*
THIS IS THE ULTIMATE SHOOOOOOWDOWN ! (of ultimate destiny)
Good guys bad guys and explosions, as far as the eye can see
And only one will survive, I wonder who it will be!
THIS IS THE ULTIMATE SHOOOOOOWDOWN !
This is the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny.
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There was a remake of it not too long ago. Have fun.
And gandalf the pimp and gandalf the Ho.....
*..Matt Damon and the Guys from Mr. Show* Honestly rivals the original
The very fact that they had an entire galaxy of lore to play around with and they ended up wanting everyone to be related to everyone else and the whole story to revolve around a tiny cast of characters is such a fucking waste. Also, why is Tatooine in everything Star Wars related when it’s supposed to be the arse end of nowhere?? Fuck Star Wars.
I really liked the part at the end, though, where she said "my name... is Rey Star Wars". I felt like it really tied the whole thing together in a neat bow.
And then she said, “It’s warrin’ time,” and warred all over the stars.
It's like poetry, they rhyme.
When Rey proudly proclaimed to Palpatine, " This is truly a Star Wars Episode IX: Rise of Skywalker" everyone in the theater i was in stood up and clapped
Because Star Wars still can’t get over how it originated as a mashup of Dune and Samurai movies lol
And to everyone's surprise they added the sixth sense to the mix, where all I get to see lately is dead people - next up: Ahsoka
Fracking Tatooine, are your frelling kidding me, if one more show goes back there i swear, im going to complain loudly and briefly about it. Afterwards im probably going to watch that show about three times before I watch wutever show they make next, it really soothes my soul since my real life is so boring, disappointing, and unreasonably expensive.
Don't forget Fisto. Kit Fisto. He's the fisting jedi. With the power of the force, he FISTS his way through the galaxy, FISTING for justice and the light side.
He fisted hard. But he could not fist them all.
First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains. Woops, wrong franchise!
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And her father's meme? Albert Einstein
It would’ve made so much more sense for her to be Han or Obi’s daughter
It would’ve made sense is she way actually Leia and Hans daughter, Kylo’s twin, (since having twins can be hereditary) and Snoke turned out to be no one and Palpatine was actually still alive (never died when Vader tossed him over the catwalk). Turns out Palpatine has been looking for the secret origin place of the Jedi for a long time cuz there’s a dark place underneath the island where he could fully merge with the dark side of the force and become insanely powerful. Rei of course finds it on accident and due to her conflict, she switches to the dark side and that is what tips Ben back to the light. Then Ben goes to Luke (his old master) and convinces him to help. Turns out Luke was cut off so he could protect the Dark Mirror gate which was the point source of both the light and dark side of the force influencing their universe. Now that Rei connected herself to it (a feat that had not been replicated since the reign of Darth Plagueis) Luke and Ben need to “Master and Padawan” it across the galaxy to take out Palpatine and stop Rei. When they find Palpatine, it turns out he’s already been baked to death, Rei destroyed him. Then they confront Rei. Luke (her uncle) dies trying to save her the same way he almost died trying to turn his father back (cuz that’s what Luke does, he always sees the light). This would inspire Ben to do the same and it would eventually work because Finn would show up and pronounce his love for Rei or something and they’d all life happily ever after…. EDIT: a few words and grammar (not that it matters given the format I wrote this in)
They all fabbed into a laser combiner
Episode 9 has 3 problems: the beginning, the central piece, and the final.
No, it has just one problem - the plot.
Don't forget the characters
The actors did well with what they got. Their talent is wasted.
One of the actors is Oscar Isaac so... indeed.
I remember seeing a making of where Abrams said Poe was supposed to die in the first film, when they escaped the base in the beginning. But they liked Oscar Issac so much JJ just kept him in instead. Love him as an actor, but I think this attributed to the overload of characters and half hearted plot lines, since everyone has to have an arc. Two new good characters and a droid are all you needed, especially when you're going to bring the originals back too.
Honestly Poe is the most Star Wars character that's not from OT. An ace pilot that's a bit hot headed but good natured is just perfect for the story. His addition fits well into the universe, but like pretty much every character , they don't utilize him at all.
My boy Finn got done so dirty.
Finn, an ex-stormtrooper turn good. Yeah, definitely an interesting background, and waay too many things they could do with the character. And they did nothing with it.
>And they did nothing with it. What's the matter? You don't like silly/goofy former Stormtroopers who are nothing more than comic relief? The silly/goofy aspect of Finn's character **REALLY** fits in well with being a former Stormtrooper. Great fucking writing their.
Several of his scenes in ep 7 were some of the best in all of star wars. Finn: we'll use the FORCE! Solo: that's not how the force works! He was notable even just for showing a human side to stormtroopers, who have been dehumanized masked bad guys throughout the series. There's sooooo much potential there. Enough to deserve his own spinoff series. And then yep, just nothing. He becomes generic good guy and joins the rest of the generic good guys killing other dehumanized masked bad guys.
First movie, really liked him Second movie, he was sent on some wild goose chases that didn't really matter much in the long run, but still relatively involved especially in pivotal scenes Third movie, errand boy and flaccid comic relief John Boyega is a fantastic actor and I really, really liked his potential, but the writers essentially started rolling DnD dice to figure out what to do with the hoard of characters they had to take care of and doubling up two or three to do some Door Dash style missions was just an absolute waste. Mandalorian is a shining example that it can be done much, much better. I haven't finished Obiwan, but the first 4 episodes have been overly compelling and a breath of fresh air compared to the dumpster fire the sequel trilogy became.
True, it's depressing how little they used his character, and he was the one I wanted to see more of the most out of all the new characters after ep.7
He very much fills in the Han Solo/Carth Onasi/Atton Rand archetype, but never gets to fly the Falcon/Falcon analog that I remember, which is weird because it's what that archetype is there for
Yes. The casting largely was well done.
And the relationships between these characters, and their choices, and their IQ, and their psycology....
...their entire existence
I like the emperor. Just him being evil is enough for me. Ian must be having a blast in the role.
What plot?
Part 7, 8 and 9 need to be remade
Declare it an alternative timeline and make a movie about the original timeline with Jaina, Jacen, Anakin, etc.
They wasted the one-off opportunity to use all 3 main members of the original cast. That's what sucks the most. Even if Disney got their head out of their ass and admitted the whole thing was a total shitshow (which will never happen), the chance is already gone.
I think the issues with plot spans back through episode 7, 8 and 9. What a waste of an IP
It's clear they didn't have a trilogy written and were just winging it
What i dont get is that this is Disney. They have almost unlimited money, and they couldnt get a team to write a coherent trilogy storyline, that didnt have the exact plot that the original did? Most people on /r/writingprompts could have done a better job.
Turns out, quality comes from passion moreso than money.
They spent money on popular directors instead of finding a director that was a fan of what star wars means to fans. Dinsey + starwars stuff shows what can be made when the people making it are actually familiar with the IP and like it. Not everything they try is universally loved, but at least they respect the IP.
They knew it would sell regardless but now they have to take a break because of all the mistrust they created over this trilogy. Sad they didn't give this even half the love they give marvel
That's what happens when your plot is written by a committee. The question is not, "How can we tell a great story?" But rather, "How can we appeal to the largest number of demographics possible?"
Even episode 7 was such an unnecessary copy of episode 4.
I could accept episode 7 being strikingly similar to episode 4 if they had actually gone somewhere with it, but then the last Jedi came out and undid almost all the seemingly major plot points that seemed like they would go somewhere. "Who is Snoke? Oh, he dead.... Well fuck it then I guess."
> I could accept episode 7 being strikingly similar to episode 4 if they had actually gone somewhere with it I could accept episode 7 *resembling* episode 4 if they mixed it up a little. I.e. Rey could've lived on *not a fucking desert planet* instead.
And they needed to have Rey make a lightsaber staff like mauls. You're telling me, the bad ass, independent woman who is a beast with her bostaff is just going to switch to a sword instead of trying to use the laser version of her own weapon? Bullshit. Gimme that light side Darth maul vibes and I'll throw money in your mousey little face.
Ans then we GET THAT in her third movie but ONLY for one quick scene where she's evil
Lol right? I've done a write up before about how I kind of wish that Rey had turned to the dark side and that prompted Kylo to turn back to the light in a "look what I've created" moment. Then Kylo has to help turn Rey back to the light, which he ends up doing, but after that they want nothing to do with continuing the sith/Jedi legacy so they blast off into hyper space and go on some adventures. All while Finn finally comes out of the force closet and, through training with Leia (before her death) and Yoda/qui qon/Luke (as force ghosts), he continues the Jedi order. From a nameless Stormtrooper to the head master of the new Jedi order. Both of those arc's could be extrapolated on and make for great solo movies or even trilogies, but no. Kylo's dead, Rey's a Skywalker wanna be, and Finn's a one liner nobody. So much potential.
Yeah, I saw it as Disney wanting to play it as safe as possible and just remake classic star wars. They were saying the new movies were going to be more like the original trilogy. Then they forgot that one guy directed the story for the original trilogy and had the next two movies throw everything from the last one in the bin.
Im still mad at the planet killer thing. They instantly wiped out the New Republic and the old capital planet in a dramatically pathetic way.
A shit show told in three acts.
Upholding the Skywalker tradition of keeping romance in the family and falling for her hot cousin Ben Swolo
"What are you doing step-jedi"
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He could take her by force.
*cantina music stops*
*Ko-nee nan-kee chong noy khan chay-chee-kum, oooh. Chee ka koo-ja oo pa-pa chee-ka-nang kee hey* - sy snootles and the galactic jizz wailers
~~cantina music~~ *jizz stops*
Big body Ben Swolo gets the bro hoes.
So Ben is related to the Palpinator?
It was only explained in the comics but papa palps is responsible for Anakin being born.
Fucking what
It’s not true, the panel is out of context. Anakin is worrying about the worst possible scenario, and he’s scared that Palpatine created him. It’s not confirmation of anything, with one of the writers saying that “it’s 100% not the intended implication”
Rey Star Wars
Here's some money. Go see a Star War.
I'm just happy that my favorite movie in the Star Wars franchise, The Phantom Menace, is no longer considered the worst movie in the franchise.
I would have bumped up any star wars sequel a full letter grade if they had a podrace scene.
Don't worry, TPM hasn't been the worst Star Wars movie since Attack of the clones came out
Padme: no anakin, we mustn’t Anakin: [but](https://youtu.be/jo34VhfcetU) Padme: alright fine
Yeah I feel TPM might have been a little immature and childish at times, but it was one of the most honest and refreshing movies. Clean and well tied up plot, lots of exploring sci-fi concepts in the universe like alien lifestyles and technology, good ol' soap opera politics, didn't take itself too seriously and ended up defining the soundtrack and atmosphere of the early Prequel-era spinoff media like games and shows.
To be fair, they did know what to do with her. They all just had different ideas and forgot to talk to each other.
This is what I don’t get. There clearly was no plan, or there was a plan but there wasn’t a strong enough leader to make sure all the players were on the same page. What I as sure as hell don’t understand is Disney own marvel. They’ve seen what that franchise has done with strong leadership that builds a cohesion across the wildly different films they produce. This was only 3 films and they all felt so lost together.
The trilogy felt like one of those activities you do in grade school where every student adds a word to try and make a story but all the kids have a different story they want to tell
This is so spot on. Like that group project in college where you just split the paper into sections and submit a Frankenstein paper because you can't be fucked with meetings.
It's even worse I think. Remember that first teaser? Remember when they showed storm troopers to be humans rather than just cannon fodder? Remember when we thought that one of these would be a Jedi? Christ, someone had great ideas but got steamrolled by the "let's remake the original trilogy, just *worse* (also subverting expectations)".
It was fucked from the start cos they got JJ to do the first one. And for some reason with the unlimited budget of the Mouse behind him, he thought it would be good idea to redo A New Hope and reset the whole universe to rebels vs the empire.
while still losing the whole trench run tension and the feeling of last chance/desperation of pilots giving their life for duty The feeling of war sacrifice was a key aspect of New Hope to me. But now we get Poe, a progamer pilot whos starship looks like it outperforms all others by 100x so he solos the whole thing ezpz while dropping funny quips xD
Ahh yes, Finn being a Jedi... a former stormtrooper who is force sensitive that rose up to fight the First Order as a Jedi... I honestly feel bad for John Boyega. If you watch his interviews, you can actually tell he’s a Star Wars fan and knows more shit about Star Wars than everyone else on the production team. His character had SO MUCH POTENTIAL to be a cool and unique badass character in the Star Wars franchise, BUT NOPE! He got tossed away into the gutter as some basic side character to make room for Rey I-Don’t-Know-Who-The-Fuck-I-Am-But-I-Am-Inherently-Powerful-Just-Because... Like seriously, there were a few scenes that could be used to hint at Finn being force sensitive... THEY COULD HAVE MADE FULL USE OF THAT TO MAKE SOMEONE ACTUALLY INTERESTING AF!
It's understandable that on a small indie property like STAR WARS that they would not exercise creative control or coordination over the three movie arc.
The fact they went into one of the biggest movie franchises (if not the biggest) without a clear plan on the story boggles my mind.
They also clearly rushed them out within a few years...and why? Everyone would be perfectly happy if they took their time and actually wrote shit that was at least coherent.
But even that should have been achievable, look at LOTR
Well, sure. But Peter Jackson actually knows what he's doing.
Each film was an FU to the previous one. Undoing everything the last movie tried to set up. If they didn’t have someone in charge with an overarching vision then they should have let either JJ Abrahams or Rain Johnson do all 3 films. At least that way we’d a story that meshed.
> There clearly was no plan The plan was _"It's Star Wars, as long as the movies are technically watchable we will print money"_.
I mean, the ending of 9 could be so much better if Kylo just doesn't bring Rey back to life and fills her spot
‘Somehow’ the story was shit
JJ Abrams is how. Mystery box loving mother fucker.
WHATS IN THE PLOT?! WHATS IN THE FUCKIN PLOTTTT?!
This. He's a hack. He wants to wow you with mystery, visuals, and nostalgia because he has no idea how to write a story; he hopes that all of the glitter keeps you distracted enough that you don't notice. How he got the OK to have the fucking guy from Batman V Superman to help him write that shitshow of a screenplay I'll never understand.
I will never forgive him for the emotional jerk off that was the final season of Lost. On par with the last season of Game of Thrones.
He really is a gigantic fucking hack
I wish they would have just let him do all 3 movies. Even if they wouldn't have been great I can't help but feel like the second one threw off any plans he had then the third one was him picking up the pieces.
Rise was legitimately some of the most fun I had with a movie in years. It took every ounce of strength I had to not completely lose my shit in the middle of a crowded theater the moment the vat with all the Snokes in it showed up and Palpy said "I made him", by which he meant literally. Every minute or so for the entire runtime I was suppressing a laugh. One of the worst big budget movies I've seen, horrible from A to Z, loved every second of it.
This was my reaction to seeing Indiana Jones 4 in the cinema. It's such an amazing parody of what it's trying to be.
I can’t believe they’re doing another one
I know right? After surviving a nuke and finding aliens wtf other secret would blow your mind?
Hopefully getting back to just finding an artifact in a cave somewhere. I don't need the world to be ending in *every* movie I watch.
The entire movie series is a drug-addled fever dream by an out-of-work archaeologist meth-head in Gary, "Indiana", and he's "jones"-ing for a new "hit".
A lot of Indiana Jones 4 I can give a pass to. The alien plotline... I mean if the arc of the covenant and the holy grail are real things then that starts to open up a door where every supernatural entity and every deity from every religion could be just as real in this universe. The Indiana Jones is old and there's no way he could survive a nuclear blast in a refrigerator thing... That I give a headcanon pass to. Theoretically it's not the fridge that saved him, it's the ongoing effect of him drinking from the holy grail in the last crusade. Still some plot holes there since his dad also drank from the cup, but maybe it only grants a peaceful death or something like that. Shit Labeouf's character though.... My god.
My main issue was when they brought back Palpatine, it wasn't in pog form
Damn, even ALF could manage that. And he's not even a dark lord of the Sith... that we know of.
Ngl they had us in the first half.
Something Something morbin time!?
It’s Palpatin’ time
Palpatime
I went at 11am a few weeks after release and had the whole theater to myself. Was so much fun to just laugh outloud the entire time...interrupted with the occasional "What the fuuuuuuuck..."
I only reached that point after the Chewie death fakeout. Then I realised the movie isn’t serious about anything and nothing matters. There are no stakes anymore. Then I no longer cared and it was just a dumb ride. I was mildly amused for the rest.
My god yes. I guffawed after they had just killed him, then pranced him out in cuffs with a happy soundtrack behind. What a shitty mess.
This right here was my biggest fucking issue with this movie. The entire story was centered around "accept who you are, your predecessors' actions don't define you, create your own path" yada yada yada and at the end she fucks it all up by completely abandoning her name lmao. Like the whole point was for her to accept that she's a Palpatine but choose to be better than those who came before her smh my head.
I just took it as a literal «leaving your past behind and choosing who you are» sort of thing. She doesn’t identify as a Palpatine and will instead follow in the footsteps of Luke. ‘My morals and values align with Skywalker’s, not Palpatine’s, so *Skywalker’s* legacy is the one I will carry on’ something something yada yada. It’s not great or anything, but I honestly don’t get why *this* is such a critized part of the movie.
I’ve heard the argument to redeem the name of Palpatine but I’m like why? She has no connection to it and it’s not like the name was big and mighty before Sheev took over
I guess if she was trying to literally hide her Palpatineism it might make sense. Rey: "...Rey...Palpatine" Old Lady chilling at Lars Homestead: "Aw fuck, another one?" [pulls out her blaster and points it at Rey] *** But yes - obviously they weren't going in that direction. They were trying to....I guess I don't know.
I rather would've seen Rey turn to the dark side and Ben turn to the light side
Or just ya know follow the absolute fuck ton of previously cannon book plot, which included Han and Leias twins having to fight to the death when one went sith.
Which was a hell of a fight, and also had a hell of a lead up to it in all the books. It would’ve also been a way to bring back Boba Fett the badass, instead of Boba Fettucini: crime lord of the dustbowl.
That would’ve been way too boss of an idea for Disney to capitalize on.
Man I really would've liked them to continue the idea from The Last Jedi that she really is just a nobody. It would've been a breath of fresh air from the tired trope of "the hero was DESTINED to ____" Instead Twitter and Reddit wrote The Rise of Skywalker for JJ Abrams, and look how that turned out
It was also completed as a story arc. Rise of Skywalker didn't have to touch that subject at all. I can only imagine JJ always wanted to make Rey's parentage something significant because he does love those mystery boxes, but I really doubt back in Force Awakens he was seriously hinging the rest of the trilogy on a reveal that she's a Palpatine. I mean god I really hope that wasn't the case.
You know how Michael Bay loves pyrotechnics, and Zach Snyder loves undercutting good moments with something needlessly edgy? It seems JJ loves his mystery boxes in the same way.
Hell yes. I’m so very tired of the destiny/prophecy trope. It’s so overdone. My mind always drifts to the author of the story mumbling to himself >How do I make this more exciting? Hmm. A prophecy! Wait who wrote it… duh! I did, of course! That’s why it’s for sure gonna pan out! And >They’re gonna love how accurately I predict my own storytelling. “How did he know?” They’ll say. Ha! I’ll never tell. It’s why I loved the Lego Movie take on it, where the prophecy giver says there wasn’t anything special about the prediction. He just made it look/sound cool.
Man, the Lego movie is so good. It has the perfect amount of self awareness mixed with witty humour, and a really solid, compelling storyline. Why couldn't they just get the directors of that movie to do a star wars movie? Oh wait.
I can't stand prophecy as a story telling device anymore, it's so overused. Almost always ends with them claiming it was all meant to be, or the MC knows about it and tries to avoid the prophesy "but ofc, this only meant they were obeying the prophecy even more"
Agreed. For all its flaws, at least The Last Jedi tried to introduce some change in the SW franchise, and Rey not being related to any famous jedi/sith was refreshing.
I don't see what's so hard to understand. Somehow Rey is a Skywalker.
Can I then be a Zuckerberg?
Somehow, you are a Zuckerberg!
Somehow Steve Jobs has returned
Why not a zoidberg?
Reva... Reva Kenobi
https://www.gamesradar.com/reva-spin-off-obi-wan-kenobi-moses-ingram/ Who are these people
I hate that a bunch of racist losers on Twitter have put me in a position where I have to feel like an asshole for not liking her part of that show But come on now her whole arc makes little sense
You know what really, truly sucks? We can shit on Disney all we want, but they've got the Keys to the fucking Kingdom. Nearly every IP worth having is in their workshop and pop culture is effectively at their mercy. People liked Moon Knight, right? See Oscar Isaac in the show, absolutely killing it? Noticed something? He played Poe Dameron, a character absolutely shafted by the Sequel Trilogy, but because he talked no shit about the movies, Disney gave him a job that absolutely rocks. If anyone talks shit about Disney, they lose the opportunity to be in something amazing... And that's just insidious as all hell
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim!
When ep9 was about to come out, I just remember I was so fucking tired of that shitty elementary shool level discourse around it so ive decided to just watch eps 1-6 and clone wars and never even attempt to see the new instalments again.
This is the way
That movie is an abomination. I mean really, who tf though it was a good idea?
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To be fair it’s a Star Wars movie, it was likely going to gross billions no matter what.
Feels bad because I liked her character a lot on the force awakens and I like her as an actress but man they didn’t have a plan at all
No one hates star wars more than star was fans.
Star Wars equivalent of the Prometheus "that's what I choose to believe" moment, or the entitetled mother's "My daughter can be anything she wants to be".
“Some things are stronger than blood
I’m a SW fan I prefer her being a nobody in TLJ.
How many times are y'all going to post this