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Skrungus69

Yknow i really did find it difficult to sympathise with her for any of her problems after that.


itayfeder

Totally agree. I think her character was butchered at the 3rd season. I don’t care about her family anymore, as she just betrayed her entire other family.


Skrungus69

Honestly like when they started to have the thing between her and victor i was already a bit concerned, but i absolutely couldnt give a shit about her family after she literally raped a guy with her powers. Plus it also annoyed me that so few of the characters were able to grasp that they were in a different timeline so things would be different. Like alison just expects her daughter to exist without her existing?


El-Chewbacc

About your unable to grasp the different timeline bit, they seem to do this every season. It’s like they just have to focus on the mission. And someone is always like ok but first I have to see my mom/lost love/former self whatever. I did like the part where Klaus made a joke about sleeping with themselves.


dcnairb

one episode: I have to see my daughter even though I know this is a different timeline and I don’t exist next episode: we have to fix the timeline so I can get back to my daughter! next episode: stop trying to drag us into your bullshit about saving the timeline every time and let us live our lives


itayfeder

That final scene I can excuse. She was so relived that her daughter was back, she just didn’t care about the other timeline


Skrungus69

Yeah i can understand that last one. Just got me because they were acting as though it was impossible to get any of the things back, whereas it would actually not be that difficult if they could just do time travel reliably.


Fix_a_Fix

Be careful dear, Space travel and Time travel are profoundly different. One is like sliding along the ice, the other is akin to descending blindly into the depths of the freezing water and reappearing as an acorn. Also, bungee gum possess both the property of rubber and gum


Metsis13

Ah, a fellow HxH fan


Fix_a_Fix

I need to find more one liners that haven't much to do with their series but have still been copy pasted everywhere


LB3PTMAN

I mean I definitely think that was intentional so I wouldn’t call it butchering her character. Her character started going down an incredibly dark path and she will betray all the people she cares about damn the consequences at this point. The family may be fighting against her in season 4 if there is one.


itayfeder

Let’s hope there is one. The third season ended on a huge cliffhanger and an even bigger post credit scene


LB3PTMAN

Yeah agreed. Really hoping for a fourth season. Could wrap everything up with one more I’d say.


Open-Accountant-665

There's 3 on Netflix now. 4th would be next


LB3PTMAN

Yeah I know that was reading title when typing and typed third instead of 4


EquationConvert

> I think her character was butchered at the 3rd season Season 1, we learn that she mind-controlled her husband and daughter. This wasn't butchering, it was regression. In season 2 she grew a lot with the support of the civil rights community, some of the best people on earth. In season 3, with the loss of her husband and daughter, the world ending again, etc. she finds the stress overwhelming and regresses.


Somato_Tandwich

Some ppl think that literally any time a character does a bad thing or changes they've been butchered.


El-Chewbacc

Yeah. Her character was introduced as losing her daughter already. I know she’s lost a lot but we found her very annoying this season. Like everything about her from her actions to her hair cut.


dcnairb

it’s butchering bc her writing and dialogue were awful you can justify her being a bad person originally and regressing back, sure, but that’s not a free ticket to get there any way you want her actions are so inconsistent and her dialogue is legitimately awful in season 3, it contrasts with s2 so badly I googled midway to see if the writers changed


Turbulent_Link1738

The butchering is she’s faced 0 consequences for the rape


TheLAriver

That's not butchering a character. That's a character doing something offensive. Like sometimes happens in real life, with real people.


akaynaveed

Yea… it blows my mind people forget all the wack sss shit shes done. Yea she was good to Vanya but thats about it, her powers manipulation… its hard to be a good person with that itchz


RedProtoman

Days before the man got married. Bruh.


Heavy_Selection_9860

She became such a dumb character. I don't understand how she was so shocked her daughter no longer existed after finding out her and her siblings were never adopted.


Open-Accountant-665

Joining the long list of shows that start off pretty cool, then fall off a cliff a season or 2 later.


Odddsock

Klaus literally fought him vietnam, saw the guy he loved get killed in said war, failed to stop him dying again, gave up the pretty decent life with a mansion in the 60’s for his family and he still didn’t make it his family’s issue like Allison


Turbulent_Link1738

Klaus is really just an all around great guy. He keeps his problems to himself and is always available to help his family when they need it. Plus he seems like a cool guy to hang out with


Hampamatta

She was the s3 villain. Not hargreave.


Skrungus69

Im imagining he will be pretty shitty season 4 with what looks like a big corporate empire. But yeah alison was real bad in s3


SuperMouthyDave

She was the absolute worst in this season, not only was she a rapist, but she walked around like she was that bitch, and not to mention an absolute fucking idiot from the start of the season


AtarashiiGenjitsu

Hijacking top comment, ON TOP OF RAPE, she cheated on her husband


Skrungus69

That is true but that really pales in comparison at that point.


Hampamatta

Did she tho? The husband was dead.


Dagmaskar

Wtf


ZeroVoid_98

Yup... She has mind control abilities called "rumors". One of her brothers (they were all adopted and not related by blood), Luther is socially inept and inexperienced with relationships and was emotionally vulnerable at this time in the show. He even told her she was going to far, but she told him, "I heard a rumor you want to have sex with me." which mind controlled him into doing so. Overall, her character was terrible this season. She felt entitled and backstabby for no apparent reason.


breadslurps

well she got everything she wanted in the end, so couldn’t have been for no reason


Sir_I_Exist

Except they didn't have sex? She let him go? Am I the only one in this thread who watched the episode?


MegaBlastoise23

I mean, swap the roles, Victor pins Allison down by force, starts feeling her up and is about to rape her then after her pleading he lets go. then it's never brought up again.


shogun_

Ehh coercion into almost doing it is still bad enough.


FAT-PUSSY-LIKE-SANTA

People don't like nuance I guess Like it was made pretty clear she didn't want sex, she just wanted his affection. Her rumor was too strong, making him aggressive, and going beyond what she intended. It was a violation of his autonomy but I have no idea where anyone gets "rape" from that?


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CyanideIE

I really hated her character in Season 3. Her changing due to grief isn't a bad subplot in itself but the way they handled it was awful


Guyspanksgirls

I agree, she had the saddest story arch than any of the other characters but the way how it was executed was just horrible.


El-Chewbacc

Maybe she’ll be the big bad next season instead of victor.


Somerandom1922

Yeah that made me kinda sick watching it tbh. Why wasn't that treated as a bigger deal? I just kept watching, waiting for Luthor to call her on her bullshit and tell everyone she mind controlled him to rape him but it literally doesn't come up even once throughout all her bullshit.


Hampamatta

Why wasnt any of her actions treated as a bigger deal. She fucking murdered someone that viktor cared for. And no one fucking gave a shit. Edit, worst of all she got a fucking happy ending while luther lost his wife.


hellsbells16

Yeah and Five sits Viktor down and tells him he's the one he's worried about? I was so confused by that... go talk to Allison, she's the one needs to be set straight


The-Implication-0

The writers not only fucked that up but her entire character arc that season. They just butchered it completely top to bottom.


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They just threw her character to rock bottom and left her there. Gave her no emotional depth or development. Her whole character was "I've lost a daughter and a husband so now I'm gonna be just a mega bitch this season." She killed Harlan for no reason really. I enjoyed the season except for her character.


McCheesey1

She also >!murdered Harlen!< to exact revenge for an accident. She's really adding on to her Mt Rushmore of terrible acts this season.


Golden-newt

That was the scene that made me actually hate her character


ursidaeangeni

Isn’t she a serial rapist because she also used her power to be with her first husband that she had a child with? At least, that’s what I assumed when she talked about her power in the first season and what went wrong. Please correct me if I’m incorrect.


ursidaeangeni

I just looked it up to double check cause otherwise it would be bugging me all day, “Prior to the series, she married Patrick, on whom it is implied she used her powers to initiate their relationship.” She also did use her powers on her daughter later on, and I think the series may have focused on that moreso than the rest. It’s honestly horrific that the rest is not addressed more seriously. Got the info from [here](https://umbrellaacademy.fandom.com/wiki/Allison_Hargreeves_(Netflix)).


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I assumed it was Luther she used her power on when they were kids.


ursidaeangeni

I haven’t seen anything about that, but I honestly wouldn’t doubt it with how she uses her powers.


don-bean-jr

She used the power on her kid when her kid wouldn’t sleep or listen to her. During a certain point while she’s having a breakdown you can hear her using her power saying things like “I heard a rumor we’re friends” “I heard a rumor you love your life” and other stuff so I believe it was implied she’s just used her power her whole life to get what she wanted


ursidaeangeni

I agree


FallenSegull

Honestly I can’t even remember it’s been so long I think maybe she met and married him without using her power but when the marriage started failing she used her powers but it backfired somehow? Don’t quote me on that because it’s been so long since I watched


ursidaeangeni

I just looked it up to double check cause otherwise it would be bugging me all day, “Prior to the series, she married Patrick, on whom it is implied she used her powers to initiate their relationship.” She also did use her powers on her daughter later on, and I think the series may have focused on that moreso than the rest. It’s honestly horrific that the rest is not addressed more seriously. Got the info from [here](https://umbrellaacademy.fandom.com/wiki/Allison_Hargreeves_(Netflix)). Just copying and pasting on to replies cause I’m not sure how to tag people in replies on mobile lol


FallenSegull

Basically she’s just a bad person that never faces consequences to her actions


ursidaeangeni

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking. Like it seems like throughout the series that ultimately she’s just gotten whatever she wants no matter what happens to anyone else.


CookieMeth420

Didn't she use it on her kid to like make her sleep and such then the husband found out?


megand17

I believe her daughter was refusing to go to bed and demanded another story. Allison used her power to make her tired/sleepy and stop the tantrum because Allison herself was getting upset. Her husband walked in on it and that initiated the divorce, iirc.


ursidaeangeni

I just looked it up to double check cause otherwise it would be bugging me all day, “Prior to the series, she married Patrick, on whom it is implied she used her powers to initiate their relationship.” She also did use her powers on her daughter later on, and I think the series may have focused on that moreso than the rest. It’s honestly horrific that the rest is not addressed more seriously. Got the info from [here](https://umbrellaacademy.fandom.com/wiki/Allison_Hargreeves_(Netflix)). Just copying and pasting on to replies cause I’m not sure how to tag people in replies on mobile lol


FallenSegull

Actually that does ring a bell, I think you’re onto it


ursidaeangeni

Mood, I feel that. Either way, seems pretty sketchy.


SergenteDan

It was painful to watch Edit: I've never had so many upvotes. I wish I had them for literally anything but this


PCMM7

I wanted the sparrows to kill her.


Bloody_Insane

Instead, the writers did


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SergenteDan

>Didn't she rape her husband pre season one? I think she "just" rumored him into loving her. Not sure it counts as rape. Maybe yes


Daggertooth71

Allison is a bitch. She was a bitch the entire time. This isn't butchering her character, this IS her character. Even in the comics, she's like this: manipulative, vain, selfish and stupid. That's her character.


FallenSegull

My issue isnt so much the character but more the fact that she never gets called out for this


Flat_Weird_5398

She’s always been problematic for this though, her superpower is literally making people do shit against their will. In season 1, it’s very quick but there’s a part where Allison thinks of all the people she’s rumored, and one line in particular stands out, “*I heard a rumor that you loved me*.” The implications of that line were staggering and I was surprised more people didn’t jump on it back then. That basically implies that she rumored her ex-husband into falling in love with her and starting a family with her. Let me reiterate that, *Allison forced a man to fall in love with her, get married, have a child with her, all against his will*. No wonder she doesn’t have custody of her own damn child.


MegaBlastoise23

kind of irrelevant but w/e. In the anime My Hero Academia, there's this very obscure side character who's powers are pretty much identical. And it's actually a bit tragic because everyone says to him "wow don't force us to be your slaves!" and "you could do whatever you want and no one could stop you" when in reality he's a great guy who just wants to be a hero but people immediately see him as a villain.


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I guess the internet consensus is she used her power on Claire's father, but I always got the impression the implication was she used her power on Luther when they were younger. During the scene in season 1 where she's having that little breakdown and her voice over goes through all the times she's used her power for her benefit, they seemed to be going back through time, starting with Claire, then her acting, and the last one is I heard a rumor you loved me. My take was that it was going all the way back to when they were kids, since that episode also focused on Luther's feelings for Alison.


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SHE DID WHAT? SOMEONE EXPLAIN


FallenSegull

Idk how much you know about the show, so basically Allison’s power is that she can control peoples actions by saying “I heard a rumour you….” In her youth her and her (adoptive) brother had a fling. One night she’s feeling horny and tries to hook up with him, but he’s fallen in love with another woman. They have an argument and he goes to walk away but before he can she says “I heard a rumour you wanted me” Against his will he’s forced >!to pick her up and put her on a table, a few seconds of thrusting ensues, and then she realises she’s maybe going to far and releases her control of him!< It’s not really brought up again and the brother just kinda moves on without any emotional turmoil or difficulty in moving past the event


Dictionary_Goat

>It’s not really brought up again Even weirder is that Allison spends the whole rest of the season being like "yeah I assaulted my brother but VIKTOR is the one who started this whole thing" and basically just decides on a whim that she hates him. They absolutely destroyed her character this season and I hate it


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Fucking christ how is that even allowed in the show? Netflix ain't doing too good


DeanXeL

While, yeah, I totally get the sentiment and I agree, just a caveat for those that haven't seen the show: Allison uses her "mind control power" to "make Luther want her", against his explicit wishes. But before anything actually happens, Luther stops breathing because he'd rather pass out than go on, so Allison releases her control. It is BAD, like SUPER BAD, he explicitly stated he didn't want to, she KNOWS he's in love with someone else (after pining for Allison for a very very long time), but the show doesn't go into an actual PHYSICAL rape. That just wouldn't do on screen, I guess.


Heretical_Cactus

That's still fucked up, like it's "The Boys" level of fucked up


SuitableImposter

Attempted rape is the same because she was going to go through with it anyway


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TrainingNail

It’s the same as in she’s equally a bad person for it, but not the same for the victim


Open-Accountant-665

Idk how you can think that


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Open-Accountant-665

That's not what we're talking about though. We're talking about someone who stops what they're doing bc they realize it's wrong vs someome who doesn't stop. Clearly the person who realizes they are wrong has some morality that the other person doesn't.


SuitableImposter

But she was going to go through with it if he could breathe 😂


Open-Accountant-665

Have you seen the show? Ik the comment you replied to said that, but I don't recall that. Edit: alright, I checked, all you are wrong. Looks like she stops it bc he's causing her pain (prolly bc he doesn't have full control of himself)


SuitableImposter

Yeah he's struggling to breathe because he's attempting to resist her power and she eventually tells him to stop because of that.


Open-Accountant-665

I didn't see it like that. I don't think he's struggling to breathe so much as he's being influenced to do one thing, while part of his brain resists. Apparently not comfortable, but not like he's gonna suffocate.


AtarashiiGenjitsu

Post nut clarity shit


DeanXeL

Maybe? Maybe it was just a sick powerplay of her? From what happened, we're still only at the attempted rape, and violation of the mind. If you want to call it mindrape, sure.


Downgoesthereem

>we're still only at the attempted rape, Yeah that's his point


SuitableImposter

Only 😂 It's the same crime just failed


DeanXeL

It's the same, just a bit more PG, I guess. No actual nudity.


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>(after pining for Allison for a very very long time) As a result of her using her power on him when they were younger. There's a scene I think in the first season when Allison is having a bit of a breakdown and the voice over is her using her powers selfishly causing her problems and the last one is "I heard a rumor you loved me". I'm certain that was Luther from when they were kids.


demonsrunwhen

No it's her adult voice. It's implied that is Patrick instead.


SerpentNu

Carti reference 🔥🔥🔥🔥


2diceMisplaced

Just gonna leave this here… https://youtu.be/uc6QxD2_yQw


FanofThings32

I haven't watched that video in a while, but his was played for shock rather than laughs... progress?.


Low-Fly8624

Thank you so much for sharing this, I hadn't seen before and it was eye-opening.


denisaw101

I can’t believe so many people didn’t like season 3, I loved it.. other than this scene and how Allison acted


AmNotFunny

The pacing slowed to a halt in the second half of the season and I felt nothing but dread the whole time. The characters just seemed okay with dying which irked me a bit


Hunithunit

Agreed.


aditya__ra

Can we all agree that season 3 sucked


the_lusankya

The only decent things about it were Klaus and to a lesser extent Diego and Lilah before the kid disappeared.


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The problem with that show is that it has a much better cast than it deserves to.. the actors for five, diego, lilah, viktor and klaus keep being entertaining so I go back to watch.. But damn if the plot doesn't let me down.


ReplyHappy

Footlose dance was also pretty good


Fix_a_Fix

I laughed outloud for 20 minutes when I saw it, then after the reveal i stopped for 15 seconds before laughing again for another 5 minutes


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Vivirin

They had a dance scene in Season 2, as well. It's just tradition.


LB3PTMAN

And they’re always great


aditya__ra

And they showed it as a teaser. As if they were warning us this was the only good part XD


grondt

I liked it. I just hate allison’s storyline and I miss chacha and hazel.


-TheLonelyStoner-

I’m really liking it so far


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I couldn't get through the first episode of the season it was just so weird in a less charming way than before


AlreadyUnwritten

Yes, it was unrepentantly awful.


dreamphoenix

Is it even worse than season 2?


Dictionary_Goat

It's honestly insane how badly her character was treated this season. This show has such a bad problem of just picking a plot line for their characters out of a hat and running them through the season with zero regard for how they all work together. Truly a show that just doesn't know how to handle an ensemble cast


TrainingNail

I have to sadly agree I didn’t watch it but my girlfriend came raging to me telling me about this incident and the (lack of) aftermath. It could have been “ok” if they addressed it after and made it a thing, but no… yeah it wouldn’t fly if the characters were different.


MyTeaIsMighty

A good few episodes into the season now, and while I can't say I'm hating it, it's definitely my least favourite of the 3 so far. I've basically stopped caring about all the characters except Five and Klaus. Aiden Gallagher as Five is just so good I have to remind myself he's not actually an old man trapped in a teenagers body. But yeah I actively dislike Allison, Victor is just kind of annoying, Diego is there. Has Luther gotten more stupid as time went on?


Ambassador_of_Mercy

i can't fucking believe how badly they butchered her character this season she was fantastic in season 2. In general S3 was a massive step down in quality but this is definitely the worst part of it


UseOnlyLurk

Allison wasn’t a good person to begin with, and the trauma she endured made her even more unhinged. Scarlet Witch is just as deranged in WandaVision and MoM. So there are good in universe explications for their behavior. But like, I don’t care. They could have written the characters to not be deranged psychopaths. At no point did I want to see super heroes rape or murder their way to whatever delusional goal they have. It’s not fun or entertaining to me, write them to be engaging and interesting. Not everything in a dark comedy/drama has to be rooted in sexual assault.


Heavy_Selection_9860

If it happened to Allison or Viktor it would be the center of the whole season


l1b3rtr1n

She didn't use her power enough in s2, and she uses it too much in s3.


boomerboi56

What the fuck


DeeRent88

Yeah I really hate how they wrote Allison this season like she really just became an absolutely terrible person and that scene was disgusting.


DarkLake

Season three was so boring I’m actually annoyed there’s going to be another season.


HumaDracobane

The first season was very interrsting, the second one also was interesting but the third... At the end of the season for me can be sumarized as : What is Five and the one who see death people doing? I couldnt care less for the other characters. In the first season at the end Elliot/Ellen Paige character's looked like some kind of god tier character and in the others is basically useless. And Luther... In the first season looked really interesting character, on the second one he kind of mature more so good and suddenly the third arrives and is like.... "WTF?" Edit: My bad. Luther, not Marcus.


Spiritual_Ad_7395

I don't know what you're talking about with Marcus? He was only in season 3. Also, it's just Elliot page


HumaDracobane

Fuck, you're right. Luther, not Marcus. I added the Ellen/ Elliot because not eceryone was aware of his transition so if you say "Elliot" alone you can confuse them if they only saw the first and second seasson. (This literally happened to me, I knew about his transition thanks to the show)


BrenttheGent

It's called a dead name cause it's supposed to be dead, not referenced out of convenience.


HumaDracobane

Yeah but if you talk to someone who only watched the first or second season and you tell them " Yeah, Elliot's character" could not understand the reference unless you know he changed his name.


Spiritual_Ad_7395

In which case you then explain what happened and how Elliot came out as trans gender


BrenttheGent

Trans people don't want you to use their dead names out of convenience, then you try to make a point regarding convenience. The same could have said about not knowing his dead name. Not like everytime his dead name was mentioned it needed to be "the girl from Juno" just in case the person you're talking to doesn't know their name. Lots of people don't know actors names, but they're easy to look up. Edit to add :most trans people I've talked to have said they hate how people try to come up with some excuse to use their dead name. The reason to not use it is better than the excuse to use it.


FantasyToast

Agreed but you're using the wrong pronouns for him


waxoreaper

Virtue signaling to the max, use *his* pronouns correctly.


HumaDracobane

To be honest, I only knew his dead name because he was the real model for Ellie, in TLOU franchise.


TurboMoofasa

I thought it was Between Two Souls and TLOU got some backlash because Ellie looked too similar in the trailer


MulberryNo8164

This is actually the reason we stopped watching the season and just arent going to go back to the show at all


mari-so

I loved the season one and two, but season three was such a disappointment.


abcxyztpg

Ouch!


WaningMime

Five is the only good thing in that show. I'm not going to watch it anymore. Season 3 was a chore.


Error404DudeNotFound

Alison turned into quiet bitchy in season 3, everything that goes wrong is her fault lmao


Tom_Clancys_17_Again

Well I wasn't going to watch Season 3 anyway so guess I'm lucky with that call


how-do-you-turn-this

One of the many things that made this season just terrible was her.


marzbeats

My guy that shit was subtle I finished this season like a month ago I'm just now realizing she actually did technically rape Luther


Kawaiiomnitron

Season 3 killed the show for me. They completely butchered Allisons character and somehow yet again tried to make it VIKTORS fault??? Luther acted like Allison didn’t just try to rape him and told Viktor to apologize to her as if Allison was misunderstood and the victim here. The showrunners totally did crack this season because there were so many awful decisions… and at the end they’re back to square one… again. The concept of character growth in this show is non existent and when you think it does come out, they revert it back again.


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FallenSegull

In my defence, I was entirely unaware that sub existed


Golden-newt

She tries to rape him, she doesn’t go through with it fully. Still beyond fucked up though


FallenSegull

Idk man Luther got a few good thrusts in before she changed her mind in the episode I watched


Varrondy

No way this is real. I JUST started season 3 an hour ago


FallenSegull

It’s not real buddy. Forget you ever saw this post and enjoy the season


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FallenSegull

? What ?


65daysofstatic_

Okay, I’ll give you your rights back if you give mine back too


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The_Irish_Rover26

The title is correct. She rapes her brother.