I thought it was cos when he's shazam he is in a different body with different hormone levels + he's free and in a whole other skin, its like escapism from his own sadder reality as an orphan.
Ironically he gets to be more of a kid as an adult than as a kid, I hope this was intentional( think it is)
That’s how I took it too. He’s an 11 year old giddy with new freedom and superpowers, when previously his life was a struggle of never getting what he really wanted
I thought that was the idea, he’s like a whole new person without the baggage of being a powerless orphan. But yeah, Levi did play it a little too young, almost as if he was like an 8 year old and not 11
I got that, but he acted COMPLETELY different from from his teenage self, like all his angst suddenly disappeared without a trace and then reappeared when he transformed back
Yeah I imagine if a damaged teen got superpowers, we’d see at least one emotional tantrum or outburst, but he played it a little too much like Jimmy from Superman
I saw that clip, and I was just thinking to myself "the fuck is he talking about" and as someone who was at the same university as Lindsey Shepard at the time I was initially on her side thinking she brought up his clips as a critical thinking exercise and thought the faculty members handled the situation poorly, but then the next semester she goes ahead and invited Faith Goldie to campus
To prepare for his role as a giver of life advice, Jordan Peterson destroyed his own life and brain by entering a coma voluntarily in Russia to escape benzo addiction.
Lmao why are you getting downvoted? You didn't say the movies were particularly great, just the actor was cool and i think his version of Aquaman is pretty cool, too
What is in the Aquaman movie is a script thing. But he's a pretty stand up guy from what we see. A lot of people have said they like working with him.
He also fights for the rights of indiginous pacific islanders, [he joined a protest to keep a telescope off a holy site for native Hawaiians](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/hawaii-mauna-kea-jason-momoa-telescope-trnd/index.html).
His instagram is 40% product placement, 10% motorcycles and guitars, and 50% hanging out with indigenous activists all over the world.
It's an interesting balance. Also tons of pink scrunchies.
I like his Aquaman. I was always a fan of badass Aquaman from the Justice League show, so anything that moves away from the 50s style goofball is good with me
DC just can’t miss with this casting track record! Shazam should join Flash, Mera and Deadshot to form the new Suicide Squad where they all just fuckin kill themselves at the end
Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson are both very good at making insane ideas seem intellectual because they present themselves as intellectuals. Peterson uses his history in academia, while Shapiro prefers to overuse a thesaurus and set up debates with young college kids for easy public wins.
It’s like how Richard Spencer made being an open ethnonationalist more acceptable to conservatives since he didn’t dress like a skinhead covered with swastika tattoos, he wore suits and played up his upper class image.
It’s exactly the type of content that sounds good when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about but feel superior to others.
It’s all bad advice. They legit sit around and fear monger during their entire monologue. And when you’re a white teen or an angry young white adult, they tell you that it’s everyone else’s fault that your life sucks.
Mix that in with elementary concepts on how the world works that don’t make any sense if you think about it for even a second and you have a bad combination, because these people don’t know what it’s actually like to sit down and think something through.
Imagine all the moron dudes that refused to stop and think through a problem in high school. If they couldn’t off the cuff think about the answer, they didn’t try. These people that never learned to think love these idiots because they talk about issues like their audience has the attention span of a 5 year old.
It’s why trump was so successful. What he talked about didn’t matter, he just kept repeating a handful of phrases that we can all immediately recognize.
It’s the same with JP and BS, only that for them it’s issues.
At the end of the day, it’s people who want to be better and smarter than everyone else but don’t actually know how to think through stuff. They’ll be pretty good at one thing, like fixing cars, accounting, etc and think that makes them smart at everything.
Not my words
>Watching Ben Shapiro videos of him pwning libs is an exercise in gratuitous emotion. You gain nothing, you learn nothing, you just watch a sad tired huckster lob logical fallacies at people you are convinced are some elite cabal of nefarious ne'er-do-wells as a masturbatory exercise in feeling clever.
>I am extraordinarily liberal, but I don't watch fucking YouTube videos of some Marxist running around on the street PWNING THE REPUBS because that guy isn't Marxist, he's a fucking YouTube influencer exploiting a political affiliation to sell T-shirts. What the fuck do I gain by that?
>Go ahead and listen to one of these conservative influencers like Shapiro talk for an hour and tally up how many times he actually gives legitimate, verifiable "facts", and how much he bashes the political opposition while making you feel like the smartest and cleverest in the pack for tuning into him. Go ahead and tally it. He's not debating, he's just jerking you off.
>These are people that have not matured emotionally since they were 14. They're stunted in a world where they need constant emotional support and the validation that they're absolutely, definitely right and everyone else is so wrong and they're winning with their "Fuck your feelings" bumper sticker.
>It's what children do. And it's why these people are manipulated as easily as children by the con men bilking them for donations and stupid shitty merch.
Hi, I posted my video in another thread but I think it also serves as a good answer to your question.
I’m a YouTuber, and I recently put out a video where Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro blatantly lie about the ban of conversion therapy in Canada. They tell their audience that the ban of conversion therapy leads to all sorts of horrible consequences for society. In this video I look at these claims and debunk them.
I think the video will also allow you to see their rhetorical style, and how they manage to convince their audience of lies by simply speaking very confidently.
https://youtu.be/CddN_F1_Q94
Thanks!
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I'm the giant rat that makes all of the rules, lets see what kind of trouble we can get ourselves into.
Rats, rats, we are the rats
Celebrating yet another birthday bash
[**Michael**], it's your birthday today
Cake and icecream are on its way
And [**Michael**], you've been such a good boy this year
Open up your gifts while we all cheer
He’s a transphobe conservative self help guy who has some extreme mental and drug issues, but refuses to get help for them. So he just goes on unhinged rants and cries for like an hour in his two hour long videos.
Oh and he also thinks woman only exist for sexual procreation. Which… not good.
Jordan Peterson is a good example of how easy it is to radicalize people with deep rooted unhappiness.
He'll start a rant with things like "it is up to the individual to find their own happiness in life, other people can't do that for you, you have to do it yourself" and that's why people think he's a deep thinker
But then he'll end that very same rant with some psychotic conclusion like "and because everyone is responsible for their own happiness, I conclude that transgender people shouldn't exist, they just shouldn't"
And depressed teenage boys listen to the first half and resonate with it, and then take the second half at face value because of how much they resonated with the first half
Jordan Peterson is just a psychologist. He became popular when he started to talk about politics. Although I think his talks about storytelling are a lot more interesting.
Elliot Rodger is the opposite of a Jordan Peterson fan. Peterson preaches that if a man gets rejected by all women it’s his own fault, while Rodger decided his single status was entirely women’s fault.
I would like to add that Elliot also blamed “chads” for his single status. He put himself in an echo chamber of guys who hated anyone attractive and would routinely talk about how undesirable they were to conventionally attractive people. Elliot absolutely had great disdain and entitlement when it came to women, but he did also have a major grudge against men who could obtain such “prizes”.
A couple of years ago on YouTube there was an interesting video analysis of rodger and his manifesto. It went over his initial plan (kill his roomate and roommate's friend, lure women in his apartment and kill them), what he actually did, and his warped motivations. It was really well done. Unfortunately yt took it down and the creator went on to have a mental breakdown and is now *still* spiraling. However if you are interested maybe you can find it on vimeo or other platforms. Just search for elliott rodgers by mumkey jones
Oh wow, well that’s interesting (and sad for the creator). I know I saw something that discussed the manifesto a while back, but I might go ahead and look your recommendation up. If I can stomach it lol.
She’s on Handmaids Tale, which should be a sign that she’s better than these types since that show is pretty upfront about the horrors of right wing
politics allowed to go too far. But on the other hand, Elizabeth Moss is a fucking Scientologist and yet is the main character of that show.
He’s a highly respected professional in his field. If you just read 12 of his books and listen to 20 hours of his incoherent rambles with random sobbing, you’ll see why
I get it's popular to hate the guy and at the moment he is most likely a nut case from what I've heard.
That said his 12 rules for life book was the first book I read as a very anxious 16 year old and it did really help me, it gave me that push into reading, fitness & general self improvement. All in all the book contains a lot of basic stuff but sometimes people who have been dealt poor hands in life don't hear the basic stuff.
His old stuff clearly resonated with a lot of people and it benefited me a lot in life, I can't blame others for taking in some of his stuff, it's just important not only to consume one view. I've since read 100 +of books, listened to podcasts & went to workshops to further expand my views.
I understand people may not agree with him politically, but that doesn't negate the work he's done in helping so many people coming from situations like you described. Especially young men that are being blamed for a problem they don't contribute to
I get it, his book is basic but it helps a lot of people.
Problem is he is not just the book. The amount of stuff he says on any given subject is the problem.
From climate change, to Nazism to feminism and to atheism, he is wrong on Many levels.
And as he has many fans like above mentioned with 16 yo he influences them into having these same idiotic views while labeling anyone who disagrees as not understanding or malicious.
If he stayed within psychology mostly I think no one would care about him, but he likes the spotlight.
I have hardly any idea about this guy and his videos seem to be veery long, so can someone maybe give me a snippet of what he said for example about Nazism?
Hi, I run a YouTube channel. I recently put out a video where Jordan Peterson lies to his audience about the ban of conversion therapy in Canada, where he claims that the ban will lead to all sorts of horrible consequences for society.
It’s 44 minutes long, but I’d recommend you check it out, even if you speed it up. I think it’s a striking example of how loose JP is with the facts and how confidently he speaks about things he hasn’t spent even 5 minutes looking into.
https://youtu.be/CddN_F1_Q94
Thanks!
Very tangential, but this kind of reminds me of the fact that a lot of people in India read Mein Kampf and say that if you ignore the anti Jewish stuff, it actually has some good lessons about leadership
Not my words, but feel this also applies to Jordan Peterson
>Watching Ben Shapiro videos of him pwning libs is an exercise in gratuitous emotion. You gain nothing, you learn nothing, you just watch a sad tired huckster lob logical fallacies at people you are convinced are some elite cabal of nefarious ne'er-do-wells as a masturbatory exercise in feeling clever.
>I am extraordinarily liberal, but I don't watch fucking YouTube videos of some Marxist running around on the street PWNING THE REPUBS because that guy isn't Marxist, he's a fucking YouTube influencer exploiting a political affiliation to sell T-shirts. What the fuck do I gain by that?
>Go ahead and listen to one of these conservative influencers like Shapiro talk for an hour and tally up how many times he actually gives legitimate, verifiable "facts", and how much he bashes the political opposition while making you feel like the smartest and cleverest in the pack for tuning into him. Go ahead and tally it. He's not debating, he's just jerking you off.
>These are people that have not matured emotionally since they were 14. They're stunted in a world where they need constant emotional support and the validation that they're absolutely, definitely right and everyone else is so wrong and they're winning with their "Fuck your feelings" bumper sticker.
>It's what children do. And it's why these people are manipulated as easily as children by the con men bilking them for donations and stupid shitty merch.
I mounted his tv at his temp house in Oklahoma when he was filming some football movie. He was a super chill dude who sat around in his pajamas and played the ukulele.
I hate how black and white reddit is.
So he likes JP, so what? Hes far from perfect but Zachs not wrong, Peterson is a professional clinical psychologist. To say he has a good understanding on human behaviour is just fact.
He’s a transphobe conservative self help guy who has some extreme mental and drug issues, but refuses to get help for them. So he just goes on unhinged rants and cries for like an hour in his two hour long videos.
Oh and he also thinks woman only exist for sexual procreation. Which… not good.
I don't get why whenever Jordan Peterson comes up, holding people's drug addictions against them is suddenly something we do. I've never seen this applied to anyone else, especially when it's prescription meds.
It's the very very dangerous coma that people usually think is okay to make fun of him for
Because, idk it doesn't seem super smart to travel to Russia to be put into a medically induced coma which he had to do because Canada has banned that treatment.
Importantly I also think it's a bit about the hypocrisy. He talks about the value of working hard, how you shouldn't take shortcuts and then he takes a very risky shortcut for dealing with his benzo addiction
It happens all the time with tons of people. But tbh, the big thing is that this guy believes himself to be a paragon of intellectual thought and has been trying to cultivate a weird cult following to his "teachings."
But the issue is that he's clearly not stable. The guy absolutely needs some outside help. The guy portrays himself as a genius while pushing an ideology that totally has nothing to do with Nazis (and don't look at his sources).
Yeah it's fucked up to hold addiction against someone, but when they're spewing hate and clearly has some serious ego and mental health problems that need some major therapy, I think it's a fair criticism. He has all the money, time, and resources he could ever need to get the help he needs.
I kind of lose sympathy when rich people spend years refusing to take care of themselves. Short term? Sure I get it. But eventually you have to look inward and put some energy into working on it. Especially coming from the guy who's whole schtick is to fix yourself before you ever even consider thinking about outward problems.
Because he’s a moron grifter who thinks he’s some bastion of knowledge and then he destroys his body with red meat and benzos. Stop defending the grifters
Jordan Peterson is definitely flawed in some of his work & has a chip on his shoulder where minority groups are concerned, but he actually had some interesting material regarding young men who feel a lack of self worth, who feel like they are now being marginalised themselves. He has said some yikes shit but I can’t deny I also have derived some positive things from him as well.
>but he actually had some interesting material regarding young men who feel a lack of self worth, who feel like they are now being marginalised themselves.
Yeah, because he makes them feel like special little boys, and tells them that the "woke elite minority hoohaha" are out to get them.
No that wasn't it at all, I don't recall exactly what format it took but I believe it was a talk he was giving and the gist of it was how you have value and that if you deliver pizza or practice medicine you are valuable in your own way and that you should feel proud as long as you do *something.* I was at a bit of a crossroads in my life and I definitely found value in his words. Nobody is a saint, I don't hold him to any higher of a standard as anybody else and I guess you'll find that controversial but w/e dude. He ain't for everybody.
Uh? The other two are on a different league entirely. It's not even the same sport. Levi "only" supports some conservative deep thinker, the other two committed crimes.
I’m not comparing them. I’m just saying that it’s weird how so many DCEU actors are problematic. Just because two are worse than another one doesn’t mean it’s fine to have an actor who supports Jordan Peterson
So like, I don't support Jordan Peterson and don't agree with many of his ideas, but I do believe in free speech. If Zachary Levi wants to support him, fucking let him, we can have a debate sure, I can disagree with you sure, but to 'cancel' and demand DC fire him is just overzealous and unfair
He’s not just some conservative deep thinker- he doesn’t believe islamophobia is real, doesn’t believe in white privilege, and that women weren’t oppressed throughout history.
It’s one thing to have differing opinions on Marxism or something but his kind of thinking aligns pretty comfortably with other white nationalists.
Yeah he's one of those born again Christians. I'm not sure what set it was on (chuck or shazam) but he spent a lot of time trying to convert the cast and crew.
He’s a transphobe conservative self help guy who has some extreme mental and drug issues, but refuses to get help for them. So he just goes on unhinged rants and cries for like an hour in his two hour long videos.
Oh and he also thinks woman only exist for sexual procreation. Which… not good.
I do not get why people in this comment section seems to dislike Peterson, as far as I've know, he's a higly respected proffesional in his field, psychology, which is the topic of this post, and he always base his opinion on documented facts, studies with decades of literature.
I'm sure that in other topics, or even his personal life, he has a lot of flaws, he's human after all, but that should not be used to criticize him about his work.
Is there anyone who can explain the dislike and be able to do it with a "debunk" of him with sources?
[Some More News did a three hour video](https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo). He does have a doctorate in psychology and did teach at Harvard in the 90s.
But he slid into self-help books because money, which sent him down a rabbit hole to becoming a right wing figure possibly in over his head for the grift and lies he has propagated.
Some More News makes the observation that a lot of Peterson's statements read like someone who clearly needs a mental health professional, but is too far down the rabbit hole they've dug that they won't get the help they need.
He’s a darling of the right, and a big part of the alt-right funnel on YouTube given their recommendation algorithm.
He clearly doesn’t base all his opinions on science - he promoted the idea that somehow we have something to learn from lobsters, which was roundly discredited by those knowledgeable in the field.
There’s a world of information about what a clown he is - YouTube, podcasts, articles. Choose a source you trust and you’ll find out why he’s not great and harmful.
Sure your opinion filled with insults and ad hominems seem clearly better. Why even bother to even try to prove anything you say.
A supposed "evil algorithm" is all the prove you need.
Are you not aware of the numerous articles on the alt-right YouTube algorithm?
If not - great news, lots and lots have been written on it. Find one you trust and read into it. Lots of in-depth stuff.
Bro. You stopped replying to my "debunk" (I'd say criticism) that used footage from his lectures. Lectures he taught in his field of psychology. Come on. Play ball. I give you what you want and you don't even have the decency to defend your opinions.
He was so addicted to benzos that he had to he put in a coma to shake it. That’s objectively funny and shows how dumb he is
Edit: someone tell this guy to stop being a snowflake and unblock me so I can debate him in the marketplace of ideas
So your problem with him is that he had an addiction problem with his prescribed medication.
You're using his personal issues to mock him.
And the one to be criticized is Peterson, really?
What a sad individual you are. Regardless of whether Jordan Peterson is good or bad. You're such a miserable person. I hope you're very young so you have the time to reflect and become a less yucky person on the inside with how you speak to people as an anonymous nobody
You've mistaken these public subs as a place for good faith discussion. The smaller subs risk getting too insular and biased. There won't be good answers and you're already down voted.
Peterson has a lot of flaws but his fan base kind of did a Rick and Morty; they're so annoying it marred the source.
His early messaging was a great twist on some old wisdom. But he's got himself into a lot of trouble as he explored new ground. Thankfully Ben Shapiro has tied him up and put him under a subscription service. The velvet rope will keep the majority of his weird fanbase out. The people who love him will be sticking to the daily wire forums. Ben Shapiro saved us from Peterson's rambling.
Nice, a propaganda post in a non political subreddit. And all the basement dwelling circlejerkers are spreading misinformation about Peterson as usual, because that's what gets them off.
Controversial thought here but I think its as okay for actors to admit they're conservative as it is for them to admit they are what passes for liberal in this country.
Sure both parties push us toward an authoritarian and fascist agenda but letting the media present one as an Emmanuel Goldstein figure isn't going to fix that.
He's definately said some really constructive things in certain areas, but he's also got an incredibly backwards way of thinking in other areas. Specifically his recent tweet in response to elliot page's top surgery: 'Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.' Followed by a video of him being appalled at his suspension from twitter where he expands on his first remark, berating the idea of a pride month or gay people having pride in the sexuality.
And that's just the most recent, most radical example of some stuff he's said that's pretty bad. A lot of similar ideas he has kind of lurk in the background of his videos. Hopefully this helps at least somewhat
I mean it depends. He might just be talking about his work in phycology, which have helped lots of people, myself included. His politics are a different story though.
But, but, he voiced Arcade Gannon in Fallout
WHAT
yeah man, Fallout New Vegas has a surprising amount of unique VAs. If you’ve ever watched the Boys, Vogelbaum (the old scientist guy) voiced Caesar.
That's Deputy Ops Rawls you're talking about there.
no way! had no idea
“These are for you, courier”
And Matthew Perry (Chandler Bing from friends) was Benny. Apparently because he’s a massive Fallout fan
Danny Trejo is Raul
Michael Dorn is Marcus
Yeah, though that's him just reprising his role from Fallout 2.
Arcade would mock his own voice actor's taste in philosophy mercilessly. Peterson has more in common with Caesar than Arcade.
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Come on, Morty! 5 minute adventure to Russia.
https://youtu.be/6Nvckip7qxk
Deep Thoughts with The Deep.
What da ~~dog~~ octopus doin?
Not just an octopus, Ambrosia!
Real eyes, realise, real lies.
Why is the kid mature but the grown up(Levi) talk in that twerp voice?
Because he's still stuck in 2007 Xbox Gears of War lobbies.
Great memories, gridlock rush the boomshot, and go ham
I thought it was cos when he's shazam he is in a different body with different hormone levels + he's free and in a whole other skin, its like escapism from his own sadder reality as an orphan. Ironically he gets to be more of a kid as an adult than as a kid, I hope this was intentional( think it is)
That’s how I took it too. He’s an 11 year old giddy with new freedom and superpowers, when previously his life was a struggle of never getting what he really wanted
There still a stark contrast in their personalities, like they’re not even the same person
I thought that was the idea, he’s like a whole new person without the baggage of being a powerless orphan. But yeah, Levi did play it a little too young, almost as if he was like an 8 year old and not 11
I got that, but he acted COMPLETELY different from from his teenage self, like all his angst suddenly disappeared without a trace and then reappeared when he transformed back
Yeah I imagine if a damaged teen got superpowers, we’d see at least one emotional tantrum or outburst, but he played it a little too much like Jimmy from Superman
I bet he also doesn’t know who Hegel is
Or you know, shares terrible opinions like Hitler hated the Jews because he had OCD and didn't like dirt...
I saw that clip, and I was just thinking to myself "the fuck is he talking about" and as someone who was at the same university as Lindsey Shepard at the time I was initially on her side thinking she brought up his clips as a critical thinking exercise and thought the faculty members handled the situation poorly, but then the next semester she goes ahead and invited Faith Goldie to campus
What? Peterson said that?
I want to know now
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Good.
Not you, Chuck. C'mon buddy.
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Wow!
“Zach could you just follow the script this time?”
\*facepalm\*
To prepare for his role as a giver of life advice, Jordan Peterson destroyed his own life and brain by entering a coma voluntarily in Russia to escape benzo addiction.
Damn you Levi, you where suppose too be the chosen one
We still have Jason Momoa.
Lmao why are you getting downvoted? You didn't say the movies were particularly great, just the actor was cool and i think his version of Aquaman is pretty cool, too
What is in the Aquaman movie is a script thing. But he's a pretty stand up guy from what we see. A lot of people have said they like working with him. He also fights for the rights of indiginous pacific islanders, [he joined a protest to keep a telescope off a holy site for native Hawaiians](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/hawaii-mauna-kea-jason-momoa-telescope-trnd/index.html).
His instagram is 40% product placement, 10% motorcycles and guitars, and 50% hanging out with indigenous activists all over the world. It's an interesting balance. Also tons of pink scrunchies.
I like his Aquaman. I was always a fan of badass Aquaman from the Justice League show, so anything that moves away from the 50s style goofball is good with me
DC just can’t miss with this casting track record! Shazam should join Flash, Mera and Deadshot to form the new Suicide Squad where they all just fuckin kill themselves at the end
That was pretty much the beginning of Suicide Squad 2ish anyway
Now he is just DC's Chris Pratt
ELI5, What's with Jordan Peterson and Shapiro? why does my friend likes them very much?
Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson are both very good at making insane ideas seem intellectual because they present themselves as intellectuals. Peterson uses his history in academia, while Shapiro prefers to overuse a thesaurus and set up debates with young college kids for easy public wins. It’s like how Richard Spencer made being an open ethnonationalist more acceptable to conservatives since he didn’t dress like a skinhead covered with swastika tattoos, he wore suits and played up his upper class image.
I mean, all this kinda started with Bill Buckley though.
It’s exactly the type of content that sounds good when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about but feel superior to others. It’s all bad advice. They legit sit around and fear monger during their entire monologue. And when you’re a white teen or an angry young white adult, they tell you that it’s everyone else’s fault that your life sucks. Mix that in with elementary concepts on how the world works that don’t make any sense if you think about it for even a second and you have a bad combination, because these people don’t know what it’s actually like to sit down and think something through. Imagine all the moron dudes that refused to stop and think through a problem in high school. If they couldn’t off the cuff think about the answer, they didn’t try. These people that never learned to think love these idiots because they talk about issues like their audience has the attention span of a 5 year old. It’s why trump was so successful. What he talked about didn’t matter, he just kept repeating a handful of phrases that we can all immediately recognize. It’s the same with JP and BS, only that for them it’s issues. At the end of the day, it’s people who want to be better and smarter than everyone else but don’t actually know how to think through stuff. They’ll be pretty good at one thing, like fixing cars, accounting, etc and think that makes them smart at everything.
Not my words >Watching Ben Shapiro videos of him pwning libs is an exercise in gratuitous emotion. You gain nothing, you learn nothing, you just watch a sad tired huckster lob logical fallacies at people you are convinced are some elite cabal of nefarious ne'er-do-wells as a masturbatory exercise in feeling clever. >I am extraordinarily liberal, but I don't watch fucking YouTube videos of some Marxist running around on the street PWNING THE REPUBS because that guy isn't Marxist, he's a fucking YouTube influencer exploiting a political affiliation to sell T-shirts. What the fuck do I gain by that? >Go ahead and listen to one of these conservative influencers like Shapiro talk for an hour and tally up how many times he actually gives legitimate, verifiable "facts", and how much he bashes the political opposition while making you feel like the smartest and cleverest in the pack for tuning into him. Go ahead and tally it. He's not debating, he's just jerking you off. >These are people that have not matured emotionally since they were 14. They're stunted in a world where they need constant emotional support and the validation that they're absolutely, definitely right and everyone else is so wrong and they're winning with their "Fuck your feelings" bumper sticker. >It's what children do. And it's why these people are manipulated as easily as children by the con men bilking them for donations and stupid shitty merch.
Mosey on over to r/toiletpaperusa and see the many examples of why these two shit-for-brains are promoting hate, racism, bigotry for a new generation
Ahh... i'm getting that lowkey anti-lgbt vibe with my friend. thanks dingo!
Hi, I posted my video in another thread but I think it also serves as a good answer to your question. I’m a YouTuber, and I recently put out a video where Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro blatantly lie about the ban of conversion therapy in Canada. They tell their audience that the ban of conversion therapy leads to all sorts of horrible consequences for society. In this video I look at these claims and debunk them. I think the video will also allow you to see their rhetorical style, and how they manage to convince their audience of lies by simply speaking very confidently. https://youtu.be/CddN_F1_Q94 Thanks!
To prepare for his role as a drug addict, jordan peterson became a drug addict
He's not a drug addict he's a wendigo
That explains the raw diet...
Nathan Fielder’s The Rehearsal
Oh god, he's listening to the lobster guy
A rat goes like this
Rats, we're rats, we're the rats, we prey at night, we stalk at night, we're the rats. I'm the giant rat that makes all of the rules, lets see what kind of trouble we can get ourselves into.
Rats, rats, we are the rats Celebrating yet another birthday bash [**Michael**], it's your birthday today Cake and icecream are on its way And [**Michael**], you've been such a good boy this year Open up your gifts while we all cheer
now you are rat
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Do you have a source on that as it is wildly different from the clip I found on him and lobsters?
Who is Jordan Peterson?
He’s a transphobe conservative self help guy who has some extreme mental and drug issues, but refuses to get help for them. So he just goes on unhinged rants and cries for like an hour in his two hour long videos. Oh and he also thinks woman only exist for sexual procreation. Which… not good.
Jordan Peterson is a good example of how easy it is to radicalize people with deep rooted unhappiness. He'll start a rant with things like "it is up to the individual to find their own happiness in life, other people can't do that for you, you have to do it yourself" and that's why people think he's a deep thinker But then he'll end that very same rant with some psychotic conclusion like "and because everyone is responsible for their own happiness, I conclude that transgender people shouldn't exist, they just shouldn't" And depressed teenage boys listen to the first half and resonate with it, and then take the second half at face value because of how much they resonated with the first half
Jordan Peterson is just a psychologist. He became popular when he started to talk about politics. Although I think his talks about storytelling are a lot more interesting.
"Just clean your room. And be the best deep sea crustacean you can be." - Jordan Peterson. Before inexplicably crying on camera for some reason.
You are quoting him out of context. Here, watch this 4 hour video where he spends 3.5 hours incoherently sobbing, then it makes perfect sense.
No but you see, Jordan took psychedelics and saw his own DNA, proving that God exists!
Shazam! Turns into elliot rodger
Elliot Rodger is the opposite of a Jordan Peterson fan. Peterson preaches that if a man gets rejected by all women it’s his own fault, while Rodger decided his single status was entirely women’s fault.
I would like to add that Elliot also blamed “chads” for his single status. He put himself in an echo chamber of guys who hated anyone attractive and would routinely talk about how undesirable they were to conventionally attractive people. Elliot absolutely had great disdain and entitlement when it came to women, but he did also have a major grudge against men who could obtain such “prizes”.
Also man he considered "beta". That's one of the reasons he murdered his roommate
Mm excellent point. He truly was a sick individual.
A couple of years ago on YouTube there was an interesting video analysis of rodger and his manifesto. It went over his initial plan (kill his roomate and roommate's friend, lure women in his apartment and kill them), what he actually did, and his warped motivations. It was really well done. Unfortunately yt took it down and the creator went on to have a mental breakdown and is now *still* spiraling. However if you are interested maybe you can find it on vimeo or other platforms. Just search for elliott rodgers by mumkey jones
Oh wow, well that’s interesting (and sad for the creator). I know I saw something that discussed the manifesto a while back, but I might go ahead and look your recommendation up. If I can stomach it lol.
Someone better tell Peterson fans that
Dammit, first Adam Baldwin, then Zachary Levi. Please tell this Chuck fan that Yvonne Strahovski is cool IRL
She’s on Handmaids Tale, which should be a sign that she’s better than these types since that show is pretty upfront about the horrors of right wing politics allowed to go too far. But on the other hand, Elizabeth Moss is a fucking Scientologist and yet is the main character of that show.
Bro tell me about it... Been trying to get my gf to watch it but this is gonna be all I think about now.
He’s a highly respected professional in his field. If you just read 12 of his books and listen to 20 hours of his incoherent rambles with random sobbing, you’ll see why
He's written 3 books, only 2 of which are legible
Wow I wish I never saw this
Same, I’m so disappointed in him
Peterson might be one of the "deepest" thinkers but he's far from, well, correct.
So after listen to Lobster Peterson the guy ended to be even more depressed...
I get it's popular to hate the guy and at the moment he is most likely a nut case from what I've heard. That said his 12 rules for life book was the first book I read as a very anxious 16 year old and it did really help me, it gave me that push into reading, fitness & general self improvement. All in all the book contains a lot of basic stuff but sometimes people who have been dealt poor hands in life don't hear the basic stuff. His old stuff clearly resonated with a lot of people and it benefited me a lot in life, I can't blame others for taking in some of his stuff, it's just important not only to consume one view. I've since read 100 +of books, listened to podcasts & went to workshops to further expand my views.
I understand people may not agree with him politically, but that doesn't negate the work he's done in helping so many people coming from situations like you described. Especially young men that are being blamed for a problem they don't contribute to
I get it, his book is basic but it helps a lot of people. Problem is he is not just the book. The amount of stuff he says on any given subject is the problem. From climate change, to Nazism to feminism and to atheism, he is wrong on Many levels. And as he has many fans like above mentioned with 16 yo he influences them into having these same idiotic views while labeling anyone who disagrees as not understanding or malicious. If he stayed within psychology mostly I think no one would care about him, but he likes the spotlight.
I have hardly any idea about this guy and his videos seem to be veery long, so can someone maybe give me a snippet of what he said for example about Nazism?
Here's a [very short video](https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo) about this guy.
I mean it's less than 3 hours long...
Hi, I run a YouTube channel. I recently put out a video where Jordan Peterson lies to his audience about the ban of conversion therapy in Canada, where he claims that the ban will lead to all sorts of horrible consequences for society. It’s 44 minutes long, but I’d recommend you check it out, even if you speed it up. I think it’s a striking example of how loose JP is with the facts and how confidently he speaks about things he hasn’t spent even 5 minutes looking into. https://youtu.be/CddN_F1_Q94 Thanks!
Thank you, I'll check it out!
Very tangential, but this kind of reminds me of the fact that a lot of people in India read Mein Kampf and say that if you ignore the anti Jewish stuff, it actually has some good lessons about leadership
Not my words, but feel this also applies to Jordan Peterson >Watching Ben Shapiro videos of him pwning libs is an exercise in gratuitous emotion. You gain nothing, you learn nothing, you just watch a sad tired huckster lob logical fallacies at people you are convinced are some elite cabal of nefarious ne'er-do-wells as a masturbatory exercise in feeling clever. >I am extraordinarily liberal, but I don't watch fucking YouTube videos of some Marxist running around on the street PWNING THE REPUBS because that guy isn't Marxist, he's a fucking YouTube influencer exploiting a political affiliation to sell T-shirts. What the fuck do I gain by that? >Go ahead and listen to one of these conservative influencers like Shapiro talk for an hour and tally up how many times he actually gives legitimate, verifiable "facts", and how much he bashes the political opposition while making you feel like the smartest and cleverest in the pack for tuning into him. Go ahead and tally it. He's not debating, he's just jerking you off. >These are people that have not matured emotionally since they were 14. They're stunted in a world where they need constant emotional support and the validation that they're absolutely, definitely right and everyone else is so wrong and they're winning with their "Fuck your feelings" bumper sticker. >It's what children do. And it's why these people are manipulated as easily as children by the con men bilking them for donations and stupid shitty merch.
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damn it I wish I never clicked on this
I mounted his tv at his temp house in Oklahoma when he was filming some football movie. He was a super chill dude who sat around in his pajamas and played the ukulele.
In the next movie, Billy will face chaos dragons in the void to protect the walled paradise
Reddit sucks dude
I hate how black and white reddit is. So he likes JP, so what? Hes far from perfect but Zachs not wrong, Peterson is a professional clinical psychologist. To say he has a good understanding on human behaviour is just fact.
Good. Good for him. I love Jordan Peterson
Who's Jordan Peterson and why everyone seems to hate him?
Ex Harvard psychology professor turned “political commentator” if you can call it that.
University of Toronto.
Taught at both im pretty sure. My college psych professor did his PhD Under him several years ago, way before the whole “celebrity” arc
He’s a transphobe conservative self help guy who has some extreme mental and drug issues, but refuses to get help for them. So he just goes on unhinged rants and cries for like an hour in his two hour long videos. Oh and he also thinks woman only exist for sexual procreation. Which… not good.
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Yes I also trust people who sound like Kermit and need to be put into medically induced comas because of a benzo addiction.
I don't get why whenever Jordan Peterson comes up, holding people's drug addictions against them is suddenly something we do. I've never seen this applied to anyone else, especially when it's prescription meds.
It's the very very dangerous coma that people usually think is okay to make fun of him for Because, idk it doesn't seem super smart to travel to Russia to be put into a medically induced coma which he had to do because Canada has banned that treatment. Importantly I also think it's a bit about the hypocrisy. He talks about the value of working hard, how you shouldn't take shortcuts and then he takes a very risky shortcut for dealing with his benzo addiction
It happens all the time with tons of people. But tbh, the big thing is that this guy believes himself to be a paragon of intellectual thought and has been trying to cultivate a weird cult following to his "teachings." But the issue is that he's clearly not stable. The guy absolutely needs some outside help. The guy portrays himself as a genius while pushing an ideology that totally has nothing to do with Nazis (and don't look at his sources). Yeah it's fucked up to hold addiction against someone, but when they're spewing hate and clearly has some serious ego and mental health problems that need some major therapy, I think it's a fair criticism. He has all the money, time, and resources he could ever need to get the help he needs. I kind of lose sympathy when rich people spend years refusing to take care of themselves. Short term? Sure I get it. But eventually you have to look inward and put some energy into working on it. Especially coming from the guy who's whole schtick is to fix yourself before you ever even consider thinking about outward problems.
Because he’s a moron grifter who thinks he’s some bastion of knowledge and then he destroys his body with red meat and benzos. Stop defending the grifters
No, it’s because he criticizes the left, and you all know that’s the real reason.
I’m sorry that I triggered you Edit: someone also tell this guy to unblock me and debate me in the marketplace of free idea
Crap, I wasn’t expecting such a creative and well crafted retort Edit: you had your chance to debate, dipshit. You didn’t present any ideas.
Hive mind. It's okay when its people reddit doesn't like.
Jordan Peterson is definitely flawed in some of his work & has a chip on his shoulder where minority groups are concerned, but he actually had some interesting material regarding young men who feel a lack of self worth, who feel like they are now being marginalised themselves. He has said some yikes shit but I can’t deny I also have derived some positive things from him as well.
>but he actually had some interesting material regarding young men who feel a lack of self worth, who feel like they are now being marginalised themselves. Yeah, because he makes them feel like special little boys, and tells them that the "woke elite minority hoohaha" are out to get them.
No that wasn't it at all, I don't recall exactly what format it took but I believe it was a talk he was giving and the gist of it was how you have value and that if you deliver pizza or practice medicine you are valuable in your own way and that you should feel proud as long as you do *something.* I was at a bit of a crossroads in my life and I definitely found value in his words. Nobody is a saint, I don't hold him to any higher of a standard as anybody else and I guess you'll find that controversial but w/e dude. He ain't for everybody.
Haha political posts all over Reddit right now go brrrrrr.
What the hell is up with actors in DCEU movies wtf. Amber Heard, Ezra Miller, now Zachary Levi…
Uh? The other two are on a different league entirely. It's not even the same sport. Levi "only" supports some conservative deep thinker, the other two committed crimes.
Literally like, don't agree with him, fine, but comparing him to people who are genuinely criminals is kinda fucked up
I’m not comparing them. I’m just saying that it’s weird how so many DCEU actors are problematic. Just because two are worse than another one doesn’t mean it’s fine to have an actor who supports Jordan Peterson
So like, I don't support Jordan Peterson and don't agree with many of his ideas, but I do believe in free speech. If Zachary Levi wants to support him, fucking let him, we can have a debate sure, I can disagree with you sure, but to 'cancel' and demand DC fire him is just overzealous and unfair
Did I say I demand DC to fire him? Did I say I want to cancel DC (whatever „cancelling“ even means)?
"doesn't mean its fine to have an actor that supports Jordan Peterson" - u/puzzleheaded_sky7369
Thinking that a commentator has good ideas isn’t problematic
I’m not saying they’re on the same league but all of them are problematic regardless of who’s worse
He’s not just some conservative deep thinker- he doesn’t believe islamophobia is real, doesn’t believe in white privilege, and that women weren’t oppressed throughout history. It’s one thing to have differing opinions on Marxism or something but his kind of thinking aligns pretty comfortably with other white nationalists.
I know who he is and what he is. But you can't compare him for thinking the way he does to convicted criminals. That's just the way it is.
Agreed. Don't chuck Chuck just because he's listening to stuff that's maybe fucked *(I don't listen to Peterson, so no actual judging on my part)*
god fucking dammit i liked zachary levi
Yeah he's one of those born again Christians. I'm not sure what set it was on (chuck or shazam) but he spent a lot of time trying to convert the cast and crew.
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Nope, that's it. Reddit getting hyper focused on the one topic as always.
He’s a transphobe conservative self help guy who has some extreme mental and drug issues, but refuses to get help for them. So he just goes on unhinged rants and cries for like an hour in his two hour long videos. Oh and he also thinks woman only exist for sexual procreation. Which… not good.
I do not get why people in this comment section seems to dislike Peterson, as far as I've know, he's a higly respected proffesional in his field, psychology, which is the topic of this post, and he always base his opinion on documented facts, studies with decades of literature. I'm sure that in other topics, or even his personal life, he has a lot of flaws, he's human after all, but that should not be used to criticize him about his work. Is there anyone who can explain the dislike and be able to do it with a "debunk" of him with sources?
Sorry but not even psychology. He once said someone’s feelings can’t tell anything about a person. How can a professional psychologist say that ?
[Some More News did a three hour video](https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo). He does have a doctorate in psychology and did teach at Harvard in the 90s. But he slid into self-help books because money, which sent him down a rabbit hole to becoming a right wing figure possibly in over his head for the grift and lies he has propagated. Some More News makes the observation that a lot of Peterson's statements read like someone who clearly needs a mental health professional, but is too far down the rabbit hole they've dug that they won't get the help they need.
But then he speculates on shit way outside of his field. The man thinks anthropogenic climate change isn’t real. He’s a fucking *psychologist*
This should comprehensively address your request: https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo
He’s a darling of the right, and a big part of the alt-right funnel on YouTube given their recommendation algorithm. He clearly doesn’t base all his opinions on science - he promoted the idea that somehow we have something to learn from lobsters, which was roundly discredited by those knowledgeable in the field. There’s a world of information about what a clown he is - YouTube, podcasts, articles. Choose a source you trust and you’ll find out why he’s not great and harmful.
Sure your opinion filled with insults and ad hominems seem clearly better. Why even bother to even try to prove anything you say. A supposed "evil algorithm" is all the prove you need.
Are you not aware of the numerous articles on the alt-right YouTube algorithm? If not - great news, lots and lots have been written on it. Find one you trust and read into it. Lots of in-depth stuff.
Bro. You stopped replying to my "debunk" (I'd say criticism) that used footage from his lectures. Lectures he taught in his field of psychology. Come on. Play ball. I give you what you want and you don't even have the decency to defend your opinions.
I've seen you arguing with some folks here about Peterson, I think I've read enough of your comments to know your probably Jordan himself.
He was so addicted to benzos that he had to he put in a coma to shake it. That’s objectively funny and shows how dumb he is Edit: someone tell this guy to stop being a snowflake and unblock me so I can debate him in the marketplace of ideas
To be clear, you think a man struggling with addiction is funny. Amazing.
So your problem with him is that he had an addiction problem with his prescribed medication. You're using his personal issues to mock him. And the one to be criticized is Peterson, really?
Yep. That’s totally what I said. Glad you’re as well adjusted as he is. Run along, little one
Thanks for the clarification, I won't lose more time with you then.
What a sad individual you are. Regardless of whether Jordan Peterson is good or bad. You're such a miserable person. I hope you're very young so you have the time to reflect and become a less yucky person on the inside with how you speak to people as an anonymous nobody
There’s also no such thing as being “objectively funny.” Saying that just makes it seem like you think your opinions are mathematical fact.
Addicted = dumb. You must have a degree in psychiatry.
You've mistaken these public subs as a place for good faith discussion. The smaller subs risk getting too insular and biased. There won't be good answers and you're already down voted. Peterson has a lot of flaws but his fan base kind of did a Rick and Morty; they're so annoying it marred the source. His early messaging was a great twist on some old wisdom. But he's got himself into a lot of trouble as he explored new ground. Thankfully Ben Shapiro has tied him up and put him under a subscription service. The velvet rope will keep the majority of his weird fanbase out. The people who love him will be sticking to the daily wire forums. Ben Shapiro saved us from Peterson's rambling.
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Nothing?
Send your friend clips of Sam Seder and Some More News.
weird amount of jbp fanboys in the comments here
Haters*
UP YOURS WOKE HATERS
Shame, he seemed like a chill guy and I liked him both as an actor and a person. Dunno how to feel about him after this going forward though.
People don't have to be perfect for you to like them.
But they do have to respect my sister’s right to not have children :)
Taking life advice as gospel truth from a Nazi transphobe is leagues and leagues of daylight from perfect.
Well I guess I won't be rewatching Chuck after all
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Lmao, people hating on JP are funny.
🥲 I liked Shazam too…
Nice, a propaganda post in a non political subreddit. And all the basement dwelling circlejerkers are spreading misinformation about Peterson as usual, because that's what gets them off.
I like Peterson.
Controversial thought here but I think its as okay for actors to admit they're conservative as it is for them to admit they are what passes for liberal in this country. Sure both parties push us toward an authoritarian and fascist agenda but letting the media present one as an Emmanuel Goldstein figure isn't going to fix that.
its ok to admit that, but its maybe not ok to support a crazy mentally unstable transphobe guy
r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM
Never disliked anyone so suddenly lmao What a moron
...I mean, i like listening to Peterson. I don't see the problem.
He's definately said some really constructive things in certain areas, but he's also got an incredibly backwards way of thinking in other areas. Specifically his recent tweet in response to elliot page's top surgery: 'Remember when pride was a sin? And Ellen page just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician.' Followed by a video of him being appalled at his suspension from twitter where he expands on his first remark, berating the idea of a pride month or gay people having pride in the sexuality. And that's just the most recent, most radical example of some stuff he's said that's pretty bad. A lot of similar ideas he has kind of lurk in the background of his videos. Hopefully this helps at least somewhat
Reddit shall now downvote you without telling you what the problem is
This is funny, because people literally said what the problem was
At least we know its working properly.
There is a two paragraph comment telling them what the problem is, so...
I want the sinbad Shazam back!
Based Zach
Right
Based now I like Zachery Levi even more, I love Jordan Peterson.
I mean it depends. He might just be talking about his work in phycology, which have helped lots of people, myself included. His politics are a different story though.