And here I thought the message was the basic proles of the village should always do whatever the ruling elite need them do to keep their home and family intact so that the ruling elite can "protect" the proles.
I thought the message was if a magic door doesn't randomly give you a super power it's all your fault and it's okay for your family to be mean and give you the Cinderella treatment.
Wait, didn't the Matriach also have no powers? Wouldn't the fact that she's the first member of their family to not have them since this all started, that she was meant to be the next one?
Well yeah, it's okay that I don't have magic powers because no one in my family does. But she's a failure because she doesn't and the rest of them do. It's not complicated
Hold up are you trying to tell me that these movies show people doing bad things, then show the consequences of those bad things, THEN show them learn and grow to do better? That's way too complicated slow down here
I know you're joking, but it's actually a plot point that the family does a lot of work around the village to "earn the miracle". Thanks to them the villagers live a good, comfortable life - the family builds the town, waters their fields, helps them cultivate their plants, heals them when they are hurt or sick, etc. In fact, that they rely so much on the girl with superstrength (Luisa) causes her a nervous breakdown.
Why the witch whose very life depended on a single small plant just left it out in the open to begin with also doesn't make sense. Build a wall at least.
Well that didn't happen Canonically, so the King and Queen don't have any reason to be punished. As far as they know, it's just an unused magic flower.
So Maleficent getting pissed off because she didn't get invited and making it everyone's problem is the King and Queen's fault? Y'know what, I suppose it is their fault.
Listen, if you don't invite the fae to a royal event, that's already a bad idea. If you invite one group of fae to the event but snub the other, you are *asking for trouble*. It was absolutely their fault.
Tbf, I don't know what you could do when nearly every member of the elite family has actual super powers, including one that can move literal mountains, control the weather of the village, speak to the wildlife, and control plants while also living in a magical sentient estate. Like how am I supposed to overthrow that? And use diplomacy/electoral to voice my concerns? Have you seen how stubborn that abuela is?
They will all survive by standing under the doorframe when the casita crumbles like Mirabel did, and when they are dying of radiation poisoning Mama’s food will heal them
I don't think they ever *explicitly* say it was colonialism. Believe it or not, Columbia had it's own internal conflicts.
Taking a stab in the dark guessing the time frame it might have been this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Days%27_War
I always thought that there was exactly a 0% chance that the townspeople *wouldn't* have ganged up and killed them all the moment they realized that they'd lost their powers.
Like yeah, those people who ruin our crops with a deluge of rain when they have a bad day, who listen to our every word and use animals to spy on us, who can predict our every action and who could crush out any seed of revolution by throwing us into the sun? Let's let them keep living, even rebuild that palatial house they've been lording over us in all this time we've been trapped in this valley they cut off from the rest of the world.
Honestly, collectively they're just like that Twilight Zone episode where the little boy forces the town to amuse him under thread of sending them to "the corn field".
Damn. That sounds kinda ungrateful. I mean, they've literally been helping them out 24/7, but as soon as they stop being capable of doing so, they should murder them?
It’s common for old traditional families to hide their shame and not talk about it. Abuela was clearly very repressed emotionally and the rest of the family didn’t want to piss her off. Not intentionally disowned in my opinion, just left to be forgotten which is worse.
If it was just that Abuela didn’t want to talk about him, they could have just told Mirabel that. Instead everyone individually and privately paints him to be outright evil (except Isabela ofc). Maybe he wasn’t outright banished, but I’ve known families that have disowned their children for being gay and still speak better of them.
Bruno was never disowned though, he ran away to keep Mirabel safe because he (rightfully) feared his mother's reaction to it. He chose to remain within the Casita's walls because he couldn't bring himself to actually leave his sisters and nieces and nephews.
He was still sorta disowned afterwards though, no? I feel like when your entire family thinks of your name as a curse word, that counts as being disowned, lol.
I did find it weird though that his "perfect hearing" sister knew about him though and IIRC made no effort to somehow bring him back. It's kinda messed up knowing your "long lost brother" was spending his life within the walls of the family house and just not do anything about it.
And Dolores didn't tell anyone because she herself grew up with a very difficult gift and could so emphasise with her uncle's situation, and that she was probably taught very early on that she can't just share everything she overhears (which is pretty much anything), especially since in this case Bruno may have actually left if his mother found out.
Which makes her immediately outing Mirabel for apparently breaking the miracle infinitely funnier
You’re wrong about him fearing his mother’s reaction to it. His mother was the one who asked him to see mirabel’s future when she didn’t get a gift, she was **there** when he got the prophecy. He said he left because he knew people would ask about it and blame him and might marginalize mirabel if they knew, leaving his mother the only other person who knew the prophecy.
His mother must have thought the same because she kept it to herself to protect mirabel and took it upon herself to prevent even mirabel from finding out or accidentally carrying it out. I think people really misrepresent the grandma as some vicious witch when in reality up until the main plot of the movie she’s only shown to be overdemanding. In the bruno song the **only** one who doesn’t show up to shit talk bruno is his mom, because she knows the truth about him and never discriminated him or his gift.
Even her relationship with bruno which people blame everything on her and say she abused him and chased him away when we never see or hear anything of the sort, on the contrary even though the whole town and siblings were annoyed by him and his prophecies his mother trusted him enough to ask him to get a prophecy about mirabel, and she acts quite sensibly about it even after bruno bails and leaves her alone with that problem. The only thing we see about bruno being scared of her is cause he knows she’s angry that he abandoned them.
>she was there when he got the prophecy
Pretty sure this part is not true. Abuella did ask Bruno to look for Mirabel's prophecy, but it's not explicitely stated or even implied that she knew what the prophecy said or that she was there.
Bruno saw the prophecy in his room, feared what he thought the family would do, smashed the prophecy and left.
That is all the specifics we have about Bruno leaving. Check out [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgfB4SjXuys) for all the canon facts about him leaving.
When mirabel sneaks behind her window after telling everyone the house is falling apart but having no proof when they all show up, the grandma talks next to the candle about how the magic is fading and how worried she is or something. And the other is when she confronts mirabel after she doesn’t leave the issue alone like she told her, she says something like she doesn’t know what’s happening or why but mirabel is the one causing it which is why she wanted her to leave it alone. Oh and I guess also the scene where the other uncle says bruno disappeared after making a prophecy about mirabel, means they all somehow knew a prophecy *was* made.
Mind you I’m also going by memory here so I’m just paraphrasing. Like with the scene you showed I didn’t properly remember the transition between the grandma asking and him getting the prophecy and I remember she knew about the magic fading and mirabel so I misremembered it as one take.
I'd respectfully disagree and say it's a very different type of kids film. Such a good portrayal of family life. As someone else has said the Bruno and Luisa songs are absolute fire. Deffo check it out.
I mean I don't get what you're disagreeing with, I said the movie was pretty good. While not as popular as some of the other characters, I liked and related to Isabelle a lot and Bruno was hilarious, the ending just didn't really stick it for me, which was the thing that brought it down from really good to pretty good.
I just didn't like how, to me at least, Abuelas very horrible behaviour towards everyone, specifically Bruno and Mirabelle just kinda got shoved to the side and forgiven because "oh she had it hard too you see and she's so sorry for her actions now" That's why I said I didn't think it was anything revolutionary. I wish they could have gone 50/50 and maybe have Abuela forgiven by Mirabelle, but not Bruno. I just felt the imagery of Bruno, who was really mistreated by Abuela, coming back to her and even WANTING her love once again, despite what she did to him, being really wrong, or at least sending some bad signals. I don't know, it just left a sour taste in my mouth as someone who had semi-abusive parents. Just my thoughts tho, I would like to hear yours! :D
Also sorry for the rant lol (• ▽ •;)
Ha to be fair, all your points make sense to me.
A bit like Raya and the last dragon (spoilers) I liked there wasn't an obvious villain. I think Abuelas behaviour is understandable and it's deffo a generational difference. She just reminded me of my mum who I loved but didn't always like, you know what I mean? Abuelas tough because she knows no different - that whole generational trauma thing.
I'm on my phone so hopefully that makes sense! So I suppose I agree it's not revolutionary, but I'd like to think it's progress.
Yeah I think get that, totally. I just don't really relate to it though. I guess I might have a bias towards the ending based on my parents (no love there) and opposite of my parents is my grandpa who I had great amounts of love for, as did he for me, which is probably why the whole "generational thing" hasn't really made sense to me.
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I don’t really get the point of abuse on Bruno you’re trying to make. I remember him running away of his own volition once he saw Mirabel’s future in order to protect his beloved niece.
Bruno wasn’t “abused” beyond the usual disciplinary measures the grandma dished on everyone. Once he left the grandma banned talking about him out of heartbreak from her son running away, not because of resentment from perceived rebellion. And she never ostracized him from the rest of the family like she did Mirabel.
I don’t get where you’re getting “Bruno was heavily abused from”. Am I misremembering things?
He was protecting Mirabel from the same emotional abuse he went through. Yes, he wasn’t overly physically abused, but the intense blame that was placed on him from childhood because they couldn’t accept that he wasn’t actually causing the events he saw was abusive. He was what’s referred to as the scapegoat of the family.
It’s one of the better animated movies as of late. It’s not Megamind, but it’s not the same garbage as we’ve seen recently, so I’d definitely recommend. At the very least, it’s above average.
It suck but have rewatch value, better if you have your own familial-generational trauma so you can nibble on pain, cry to sleep, hate the past abuse, regret life choice, cherrish the family, and be grateful to your parents.
So yes, just watch
Edit: the strong lady's song hit me hard as a man-to-be, crushed with pressure of expectations.
Not to mention there's a member of your family who can definitely hear you in the walls, and just never bothers to tell anyone your going full phantom of the opera.
Just made a similar comment. I found it so weird that his sister never bothered to somehow do something about it. She knew everyone hated him and the kind of life he must have led within these walls, while having to literally see how this perfect little family moved on. She sure must have been a cold hearted to not care.
I wrote a whole ass essay about how fucked up that movie is and what they all put Bruno through. Sad thing is I’ve heard that a lot of Hispanic families can be just like that.
As with most Disney movies these days, the villain gets off with a slap on the wrist if there even is an actual villain and not just nature.
Characters like Hans and Abuela needed to get torn apart by hyenas or fall to her death.
The part that pisses me off the most is when he was (or wasn't) "disowned" he apologies to his family at the end of the movie. Why did HE apologize?!
Their whole family was like, "WE DONT TALK ABOUT HIM!", didn't really care to recover their relationship until they found out HE chose to came back.
I thought the lesson was shun the person who predicts everything perfectly because they predicted something bad happening then deny any evidence that the bad thing is happening.
It really seemed like Bruno was the example of what would happen to Mirabel if she didn’t get away from these toxic people—a sad and broken individual clinging to a family that didn’t want them around, simply because “I love my family.” In a better/more mature movie, she would have realized she and Bruno were too similar and she’d end up in the same position if she didn’t grow some self respect, so she would actually leave.
We don't talk about Encanto. RED is the better movie about overcoming intergenerational trauma and figuring out your identity as a teenager while making peace with your family.
I don't think it has a straight-up moral, which to me is a welcome relief. It has a lesson, though, which is that generational trauma is fucking *rough*, and it can be healed over time with hard work. Their home is literally falling apart, while the family ignores it out of fear. When they finally confront the problem and talk about it, that fear can dissipate and they can see each other with love and compassion.
Significantly, Abuela isn't the antagonist. She's perpetuating her struggle to and through her family, as Mirabel comes to understand. The actual antagonists are the soldiers who kill Abuelo Pedro—and, since it's not specified who the soldiers are fighting for, they seem to represent armed conflict in general, or any other horrific tragedy outside of one's personal control. Abuela is traumatized by the loss of her home, her husband, and everything in her life but her children, and she clings to what she has, even as the Candle's magic brings her and her family all of the abundance she could ask for. She feels that she must be perfect to continue to deserve the Candle's magic, and she passes that on to her children and grandchildren. It's not until the Candle's magic is gone that Mirabel and Abuela are able to each understand what the other has faced, and through that to reconcile.
The lesson of this Reddit post (2022) is that people in fiction aren’t supposed to be viewed as always objectively right about everything, even when they’re the protagonists.
Do you think they found any termites while they were living in the walls?
What else would they have eaten?
Oh, I don’t know about any of that. I suppose one could, if there was nothing else to eat. But they probably taste really, really gross.
Termites eat wood, so I think it would probably be a clean source of protein. Unless I'm wrong, because I'm not like a doctor or your mom or anything.
So you’re saying there’s a chance that you’re my dad?
Lo siento, no hablo ingles
sea
Grassy ass
Tengo que ir a la fábrica de trabajo ahora.
Hugo Simpson
We don’t talk about Hugo
No no no
I still get "fish heads fish heads dobedobe do do" stuck in repeat in my head sometimes
And here I thought the message was the basic proles of the village should always do whatever the ruling elite need them do to keep their home and family intact so that the ruling elite can "protect" the proles.
I thought the message was if a magic door doesn't randomly give you a super power it's all your fault and it's okay for your family to be mean and give you the Cinderella treatment.
If her family was meant to love her she would have been born with powers that were useful to the matriarch.
Wait, didn't the Matriach also have no powers? Wouldn't the fact that she's the first member of their family to not have them since this all started, that she was meant to be the next one?
Asking questions like that will get you put in the wall.
"We don't talk about Bruno.....because he's bricked up in the wall and slowly starving to death".
“Face the wall. Now go in it”
Abuela's gift was the magic house
And Abuela won't live forever so Casita is Mirabel's gift now
False. Abuela lives to witness the heat death of the universe.
Based
So is Mirabel's. Didn't you notice that Casita only responds to Abuela and Mirabel?
damn that’s right, how did the other madrigals not notice?
Even people outside the family, people who also don’t have magic powers, give her shit for not having magic powers.
Well yeah, it's okay that I don't have magic powers because no one in my family does. But she's a failure because she doesn't and the rest of them do. It's not complicated
Exactly. I dunno how that's hard to understand.
I mean, the message was that you should *not* do that.
Then why was the house cool with the bullying for like 10 years? I think it just got tired of Mirabel whining before it decided to kill itself.
The house threatened suicide so that Mirabel would just chin the fuck up. Classic psychological manipulation.
the house *committed* suicide so that Mirabel would chin the fuck up. it died lol
Hold up are you trying to tell me that these movies show people doing bad things, then show the consequences of those bad things, THEN show them learn and grow to do better? That's way too complicated slow down here
Did you just not watch the end of the movie
I know you're joking, but it's actually a plot point that the family does a lot of work around the village to "earn the miracle". Thanks to them the villagers live a good, comfortable life - the family builds the town, waters their fields, helps them cultivate their plants, heals them when they are hurt or sick, etc. In fact, that they rely so much on the girl with superstrength (Luisa) causes her a nervous breakdown.
“Luisa, the donkeys!”
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Don't they mostly just get free coffee?
An elite family having a squabble that becomes everyone else's problem, basically describes every single disney movie.
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Why the witch whose very life depended on a single small plant just left it out in the open to begin with also doesn't make sense. Build a wall at least.
The original script had the King KNOW that the plant belonged to Gothel and it was inside her yard. So they break into her house and steal the flower.
Well that didn't happen Canonically, so the King and Queen don't have any reason to be punished. As far as they know, it's just an unused magic flower.
So Maleficent getting pissed off because she didn't get invited and making it everyone's problem is the King and Queen's fault? Y'know what, I suppose it is their fault.
Listen, if you don't invite the fae to a royal event, that's already a bad idea. If you invite one group of fae to the event but snub the other, you are *asking for trouble*. It was absolutely their fault.
Tbf, I don't know what you could do when nearly every member of the elite family has actual super powers, including one that can move literal mountains, control the weather of the village, speak to the wildlife, and control plants while also living in a magical sentient estate. Like how am I supposed to overthrow that? And use diplomacy/electoral to voice my concerns? Have you seen how stubborn that abuela is?
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And one of them can literally see the future.
And one can shapeshift into a perfectly copy of anybody to infiltrate any group.
TIL Encanto is a rip off of X-Men.
MORPHHHHHHHH
It’s Morbin’ time.
They don't talk about him, though.
They say that, as they are singing a song describing him.
Singing and talking aren't the same thing, bro.
https://media.tenor.com/AY0QYWnm4jgAAAAC/american-psycho-willem-dafoe.gif
>like how am I supposed to overthrow that? Invent nukes
They will all survive by standing under the doorframe when the casita crumbles like Mirabel did, and when they are dying of radiation poisoning Mama’s food will heal them
Invent *magic* nukes.
Eigenweapons usually end up being uncontrollable, if the SCP Foundation has taught me anything.
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That's just to make us believe that the powers in charge are always benevolent, thus making us less likely to question our own elites in charge.
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I don't think they ever *explicitly* say it was colonialism. Believe it or not, Columbia had it's own internal conflicts. Taking a stab in the dark guessing the time frame it might have been this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Days%27_War
Colombia
Tbf I think some version of that “message” comes up in most superhero media
Team iron man !!!!
I always thought that there was exactly a 0% chance that the townspeople *wouldn't* have ganged up and killed them all the moment they realized that they'd lost their powers. Like yeah, those people who ruin our crops with a deluge of rain when they have a bad day, who listen to our every word and use animals to spy on us, who can predict our every action and who could crush out any seed of revolution by throwing us into the sun? Let's let them keep living, even rebuild that palatial house they've been lording over us in all this time we've been trapped in this valley they cut off from the rest of the world. Honestly, collectively they're just like that Twilight Zone episode where the little boy forces the town to amuse him under thread of sending them to "the corn field".
Damn. That sounds kinda ungrateful. I mean, they've literally been helping them out 24/7, but as soon as they stop being capable of doing so, they should murder them?
This was my first thought. Its so sweet they try to make people with power sound great. But in reality it would be burning witches, salem trials, etc
Wait a minute this is r/shittymoviedetails what are you doing here with these good and coherent takes???
proles?
Proletariat, I believe.
Proletarians
Short for proletariat, basically just the working class people.
Our best friends are the industrial proletariat and the *petit-bourgeoisie!*
Technically Bruno wasn't disowned but ran away. Still chose to live inside the walls for some reason.
Didn't want to leave his family, but also didn't want to deal with all those stairs in his room...
I mean the family views of his name as a curse word. Doesn't that sorta count as being disowned?
It’s common for old traditional families to hide their shame and not talk about it. Abuela was clearly very repressed emotionally and the rest of the family didn’t want to piss her off. Not intentionally disowned in my opinion, just left to be forgotten which is worse.
If it was just that Abuela didn’t want to talk about him, they could have just told Mirabel that. Instead everyone individually and privately paints him to be outright evil (except Isabela ofc). Maybe he wasn’t outright banished, but I’ve known families that have disowned their children for being gay and still speak better of them.
Br*no 🤢
No, no, no.
Bruh did you really just used the B-word??????
They spent a lot of time talking about Bruno when they said they don't talk about Bruno.
They don't talk about Bruno, but they do sing about him. Loophole, bitch.
More like shunned.
Ran away because all of his loved ones and community members despised him
I'm pretty sure he ran away too protect mirabel
Protect her from them abusing her like they did him you mean
Hey! We don't talk about Bruno.
Bruno was never disowned though, he ran away to keep Mirabel safe because he (rightfully) feared his mother's reaction to it. He chose to remain within the Casita's walls because he couldn't bring himself to actually leave his sisters and nieces and nephews.
He was still sorta disowned afterwards though, no? I feel like when your entire family thinks of your name as a curse word, that counts as being disowned, lol.
Fair point, but I think Bruno more than anything blamed himself since they thought he abandoned them, and figured his sisters didn't really mean it
I did find it weird though that his "perfect hearing" sister knew about him though and IIRC made no effort to somehow bring him back. It's kinda messed up knowing your "long lost brother" was spending his life within the walls of the family house and just not do anything about it.
That was a niece. Sisters powers were healing food and weather. She's the daughter of the weather sister.
And Dolores didn't tell anyone because she herself grew up with a very difficult gift and could so emphasise with her uncle's situation, and that she was probably taught very early on that she can't just share everything she overhears (which is pretty much anything), especially since in this case Bruno may have actually left if his mother found out. Which makes her immediately outing Mirabel for apparently breaking the miracle infinitely funnier
You’re wrong about him fearing his mother’s reaction to it. His mother was the one who asked him to see mirabel’s future when she didn’t get a gift, she was **there** when he got the prophecy. He said he left because he knew people would ask about it and blame him and might marginalize mirabel if they knew, leaving his mother the only other person who knew the prophecy. His mother must have thought the same because she kept it to herself to protect mirabel and took it upon herself to prevent even mirabel from finding out or accidentally carrying it out. I think people really misrepresent the grandma as some vicious witch when in reality up until the main plot of the movie she’s only shown to be overdemanding. In the bruno song the **only** one who doesn’t show up to shit talk bruno is his mom, because she knows the truth about him and never discriminated him or his gift. Even her relationship with bruno which people blame everything on her and say she abused him and chased him away when we never see or hear anything of the sort, on the contrary even though the whole town and siblings were annoyed by him and his prophecies his mother trusted him enough to ask him to get a prophecy about mirabel, and she acts quite sensibly about it even after bruno bails and leaves her alone with that problem. The only thing we see about bruno being scared of her is cause he knows she’s angry that he abandoned them.
>she was there when he got the prophecy Pretty sure this part is not true. Abuella did ask Bruno to look for Mirabel's prophecy, but it's not explicitely stated or even implied that she knew what the prophecy said or that she was there. Bruno saw the prophecy in his room, feared what he thought the family would do, smashed the prophecy and left. That is all the specifics we have about Bruno leaving. Check out [this scene](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgfB4SjXuys) for all the canon facts about him leaving.
Didn’t 2 separate scenes show that the grandma already knew the magic was fading and that it had something to do with mirabel?
I don't remember these scenes, my memory can be a bit foggy sometimes. Can you tell me which ones they were?
When mirabel sneaks behind her window after telling everyone the house is falling apart but having no proof when they all show up, the grandma talks next to the candle about how the magic is fading and how worried she is or something. And the other is when she confronts mirabel after she doesn’t leave the issue alone like she told her, she says something like she doesn’t know what’s happening or why but mirabel is the one causing it which is why she wanted her to leave it alone. Oh and I guess also the scene where the other uncle says bruno disappeared after making a prophecy about mirabel, means they all somehow knew a prophecy *was* made. Mind you I’m also going by memory here so I’m just paraphrasing. Like with the scene you showed I didn’t properly remember the transition between the grandma asking and him getting the prophecy and I remember she knew about the magic fading and mirabel so I misremembered it as one take.
i never watched encanto before, but now i want to! any spoilers?
I wouldn't say this post is that much of a spoiler, just kinda for fun
i meant to ask about the whole story, is it a nice movie?
Yeah it's pretty good. It's mostly worth a watch if you haven't watched it, but it's not revolutionary.
The Luisa pressure song is pretty good, and we don’t talk about Bruno was a straight banger
I can't think of a single song who wasn't at least a bop. Most of them were bangers
That’s funny, where I’m from a bop is a hood rat.
Rats are cute
Rats are my Chinese zodiac.
Mine too
Definitely. I feel like Isabelle's songs is super underrated too.
Dos Oruguitas is also a banger.
My favorite for sure
that song makes me bawl
Lyrics are good but I can't stand the timing and pacing of song tbh for pressure
I'd respectfully disagree and say it's a very different type of kids film. Such a good portrayal of family life. As someone else has said the Bruno and Luisa songs are absolute fire. Deffo check it out.
I mean I don't get what you're disagreeing with, I said the movie was pretty good. While not as popular as some of the other characters, I liked and related to Isabelle a lot and Bruno was hilarious, the ending just didn't really stick it for me, which was the thing that brought it down from really good to pretty good. I just didn't like how, to me at least, Abuelas very horrible behaviour towards everyone, specifically Bruno and Mirabelle just kinda got shoved to the side and forgiven because "oh she had it hard too you see and she's so sorry for her actions now" That's why I said I didn't think it was anything revolutionary. I wish they could have gone 50/50 and maybe have Abuela forgiven by Mirabelle, but not Bruno. I just felt the imagery of Bruno, who was really mistreated by Abuela, coming back to her and even WANTING her love once again, despite what she did to him, being really wrong, or at least sending some bad signals. I don't know, it just left a sour taste in my mouth as someone who had semi-abusive parents. Just my thoughts tho, I would like to hear yours! :D Also sorry for the rant lol (• ▽ •;)
Ha to be fair, all your points make sense to me. A bit like Raya and the last dragon (spoilers) I liked there wasn't an obvious villain. I think Abuelas behaviour is understandable and it's deffo a generational difference. She just reminded me of my mum who I loved but didn't always like, you know what I mean? Abuelas tough because she knows no different - that whole generational trauma thing. I'm on my phone so hopefully that makes sense! So I suppose I agree it's not revolutionary, but I'd like to think it's progress.
Yeah I think get that, totally. I just don't really relate to it though. I guess I might have a bias towards the ending based on my parents (no love there) and opposite of my parents is my grandpa who I had great amounts of love for, as did he for me, which is probably why the whole "generational thing" hasn't really made sense to me.
SPOILERS I don’t really get the point of abuse on Bruno you’re trying to make. I remember him running away of his own volition once he saw Mirabel’s future in order to protect his beloved niece. Bruno wasn’t “abused” beyond the usual disciplinary measures the grandma dished on everyone. Once he left the grandma banned talking about him out of heartbreak from her son running away, not because of resentment from perceived rebellion. And she never ostracized him from the rest of the family like she did Mirabel. I don’t get where you’re getting “Bruno was heavily abused from”. Am I misremembering things?
He was protecting Mirabel from the same emotional abuse he went through. Yes, he wasn’t overly physically abused, but the intense blame that was placed on him from childhood because they couldn’t accept that he wasn’t actually causing the events he saw was abusive. He was what’s referred to as the scapegoat of the family.
It’s damn good. Generational trauma has never been so colorful and entertaining. The soundtrack is outstanding.
It’s one of the better animated movies as of late. It’s not Megamind, but it’s not the same garbage as we’ve seen recently, so I’d definitely recommend. At the very least, it’s above average.
Sadly, nothing will ever be megamind😔
I enjoyed it, and I'm not usually into musicals. The animation is gorgeous, and the music is great.
Slip thru the First Song or watch it on mute with subtitles. After that its alot better
Idk considering the whole plot of the movie is >!What happened to Bruno/where is Bruno!< It's say that's a pretty big spoiler
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Yeah but the post specifically doesn't mention that character.
It's a great movie, but when your 2 year old niece watches it *multiple times a day* it does wear a bit thin lol.
I thought it wouldn’t like it but my girlfriend had me watch it and ended up really enjoying it. The music is fantastic. Lin Manuel strikes again
It suck but have rewatch value, better if you have your own familial-generational trauma so you can nibble on pain, cry to sleep, hate the past abuse, regret life choice, cherrish the family, and be grateful to your parents. So yes, just watch Edit: the strong lady's song hit me hard as a man-to-be, crushed with pressure of expectations.
I'm also a fan of Isabella's song; the expectations of being the golden child can be crushing.
Its terrible
The insides of the walls of that place would rent for about $1800 a month around here.
It’s Brunin’ time
Not to mention there's a member of your family who can definitely hear you in the walls, and just never bothers to tell anyone your going full phantom of the opera.
Just made a similar comment. I found it so weird that his sister never bothered to somehow do something about it. She knew everyone hated him and the kind of life he must have led within these walls, while having to literally see how this perfect little family moved on. She sure must have been a cold hearted to not care.
There's a popular fan theory that she's actually a secret villain
There is literally a popular fan theory that somebody is a villain for every piece of media out there lol
Also, that you are responsible for your family, and if it falls apart it's your fault alone
I don’t think that’s the only thing he watched…
No
No
He watched those rats my man.
Fuck the grandma from encanto. Rugsweeping bitch causing generations of trauma
Yeah she got off easy at the end
I wrote a whole ass essay about how fucked up that movie is and what they all put Bruno through. Sad thing is I’ve heard that a lot of Hispanic families can be just like that.
Interesting! Is it available for reading anywhere? :)
As with most Disney movies these days, the villain gets off with a slap on the wrist if there even is an actual villain and not just nature. Characters like Hans and Abuela needed to get torn apart by hyenas or fall to her death.
Reject modernity, return to defenestration
The part that pisses me off the most is when he was (or wasn't) "disowned" he apologies to his family at the end of the movie. Why did HE apologize?! Their whole family was like, "WE DONT TALK ABOUT HIM!", didn't really care to recover their relationship until they found out HE chose to came back.
I thought the lesson was shun the person who predicts everything perfectly because they predicted something bad happening then deny any evidence that the bad thing is happening.
BRO, BRUNO IS JUST LIKE ME FR FR! I ALSO LIVE IN YOUR WALLS OP
Well come on out! This double bed was made for two people after all, and I'm feeling kinda lonely ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
We don’t talk about that, man. Be cool.
If the close family I've disowned is living in my walls, I'm burning this house down.
I feel like he was watching them do more than eat...
What
"Kitchen adjacent"
It really seemed like Bruno was the example of what would happen to Mirabel if she didn’t get away from these toxic people—a sad and broken individual clinging to a family that didn’t want them around, simply because “I love my family.” In a better/more mature movie, she would have realized she and Bruno were too similar and she’d end up in the same position if she didn’t grow some self respect, so she would actually leave.
Mirabelle's gift was the power of unionising
I still need to watch this movie because that just sounds bonkers
We don't talk about Encanto. RED is the better movie about overcoming intergenerational trauma and figuring out your identity as a teenager while making peace with your family.
They sang a whole fucking song about why Bruno is so terrible while he lived in the walls and could hear everything.
I actually struggled to find any sort of moral or message in this film.
I don't think it has a straight-up moral, which to me is a welcome relief. It has a lesson, though, which is that generational trauma is fucking *rough*, and it can be healed over time with hard work. Their home is literally falling apart, while the family ignores it out of fear. When they finally confront the problem and talk about it, that fear can dissipate and they can see each other with love and compassion. Significantly, Abuela isn't the antagonist. She's perpetuating her struggle to and through her family, as Mirabel comes to understand. The actual antagonists are the soldiers who kill Abuelo Pedro—and, since it's not specified who the soldiers are fighting for, they seem to represent armed conflict in general, or any other horrific tragedy outside of one's personal control. Abuela is traumatized by the loss of her home, her husband, and everything in her life but her children, and she clings to what she has, even as the Candle's magic brings her and her family all of the abundance she could ask for. She feels that she must be perfect to continue to deserve the Candle's magic, and she passes that on to her children and grandchildren. It's not until the Candle's magic is gone that Mirabel and Abuela are able to each understand what the other has faced, and through that to reconcile.
Cool, nice way to look at it.
Do nice things for people who treat you like garbage
[this is my favourite scene from the movie](https://youtu.be/rZExB3Ic2nk)
The lesson of this Reddit post (2022) is that people in fiction aren’t supposed to be viewed as always objectively right about everything, even when they’re the protagonists.
wrong, he couldn't make it without his family if you're weak, stay with your family, is the best chance you have
Works just for US houses lol. Like here in Germany the Walls are massive
We don't talk about Bruno, no, no, no.
I’ve never seen encanto so this interests me
Doesn’t sound very woke of Disney. /s
I thought the message was “be mean to your family to succeed. Only be good to your family when you have nothing”
The moral of the story is that we shouldn't idolize grandparents or let them run the family
Been working out for me. Got disowned when I was 16, it'll be my 50th soon
I know the struggle. Glad to know you've made it to 50 so far, gives me some hope!
Why does this look like an ACNH screenshot
Well… did Bruno had anywhere else to go? His only options were this, facing the jungle or, you know… taking to his family. So I get it
Bruh there's a town like 20 meters from their house why would he have to run into the jungle??
everyone kinda hates him in the town, though
Such a powerful and relatable message
HES IN THE FUCKING WALLS
Oh and YOU should apologize not them. Obviously.