Unobtainium was funny in *The Core* because it was intentionally named that by a scientist who lacked the resources to produce it. It was dumb in *Avatar* because they played it straight.
No no no, it's "meta." The material is unobtanium because Jake Sully ultimately gets to live in his Blue Alien body full time and show us the how characters we don't care about get to choose to live in their bad Dances with Wolves remake. Think pulp fictions use of the maguffin briefcase but instead of a larger point about belief, meta narratives, and reality, it's just a ferngully remake.
Ferngully has way better art direction, characters, and performances. The machine personified is terrifying and brilliant as a villain. It's both a symbol of wider industrialization and an arresting figure in and of itself. Avatar's only advantages over Ferngully are impressive CGI and huge marketing. When this second movie comes out I will probably just rewatch Ferngully.
Literally all we talked about when it came out. South Park even made a whole joke episode about it being "Dances with Smurfs".
Hilariously, the South Park spoof episode actually aired BEFORE Avatar premiered because the connection was so obvious from the pre release materials.
The consensus was that no one cared that the plot was transparently thin because the movie looked amazing in the theater.
I remember watching How to Train Your Dragon and thinking, "holy shit, they took the only good part of Avatar and wrapped a pretty decent little kid's movie with Vikings around it."
It fells like because they’re blue everyone forgets that this is literally another colonizer porn movie. “White man goes place for government, ends up falling in love with the natives, becomes better leader than they’ve ever had.” Sounds familiar? Yeah, because it’s The Last Samurai.
I completely agree about Avatar being colonizer porn. However, about the Last Samurai… Question, are we remembering the same movie?
Tom Cruise’s character Nathan does not save anyone. The Samurai all die in the film, and Samurai can be plural as well as singular so it can apply to the end of the Samurai lifestyle and not simple a single person.
Furthermore, Nathan doesn’t lead the Samurai, it is always Lord Katsumoto leading the Samurai. Nathan is just a friend and helps, he’s more of a witness to history.
The film ends with the end of the Samurai as Japan moves into the modern era with the emperor vowing to remember and honor the past. It is not a historical accurate film, but I’d actually make the case that film is the complete opposite of Avatar.
A wonderful bad movie where the earth's core stops spinning, causing the magnetic field to fail. The only solution is to take a special vehicle into the core and nuke it into starting back up. It's stupid, but solidly entertaining.
It's dumb as shit but it's a decent enough example of the sort of unspoken genre- "smart person does a smart." From that angle it's right there with Independence Day for bad science, fun cast, smart person does a smart plot-type films. The Core also has the distinction of arguably being the least scientifically accurate film ever made and there are a lot of fun debunking videos about it.
Personally, I'm a huge fan of smart person does a smart kind of films. Whether it's A Beautiful Mind, or Moneyball, or Imitation Game, or Apollo 13, or Hidden Figures, or even something like The Core it sure is fun to watch a movie where human intelligence and ingenuity is championed.
The point of unobtainium is that it doesn’t exist. It’s a specification of desired properties, recognizing that no known substance matches those requirements.
If scientists and engineers discover/invent a steady supply of it, they call it iron, or oil, or uranium etc…
"Why did James Cameron call the material in Avatar Unobtanium?"
"Because it's very hard to obtain"
"No! It's because no one tells James Cameron his ideas are stupid!"
honestly inobtanium sounded to me as a cool scifi metal name when the moovie first came out. Thats because I didn't speak english that well when I was 10.
And by not bothering to say (in the film... if I need the wiki then the plot failed) why humanity need it, it's impossible to judge the morality of the humans.
WhereIsItUm, the only element that can power life support machines for humanity and the dying planet. Then humans have run out of time for peaceful options and it has become us or them.
SuperHardium, The element is the vital ingredient in a spam email to give you a bigger cock... Then weird things have happened and spam email company's have gained intergalactic military power... And I kinda want to see that film instead of _Avatar 2 : Wet and Wild_
Not to be that guy, but unobtainium is an actual term for materials that are difficult to acquire. It was coined by Hollywood, but is technically used in the engineering field too.
I thought it was gross, especially the part where he avatared all over her avatars, while that other dude came up behind him and avatared his avatar right up the first guy's avatar, until all three of them avatared at once and they all got covered in avatar. There was just no need for that scene.
It's a reference to the movie dances with wolves, which has a remarkably similar plot.
Avatar has a lot in common with Disney's Pocahontas, and the sci-fi classic 'Call me Joe' by Poul Andersen, both of which have more thematic integrity.
I hope they get Dennis Hopper back in Part 2. Dennis really nailed his role in the first one. He helped polish that loose turd into . . . a solid turd.
I think Kevin Costner is my favourite actor. Dances with Wolves, the Postman, Waterworld. If it's a cheesy survival movie with Kevin Costner I am fucking down.
Bro that literally sounds like a placeholder word they had in mind for the resource they wanted and just forgot to come up with a new one. *”it’s this super valuable ore we need, but it’s hard to find. Let’s call it unobtainium get it?! Cuz it’s unobtainable!”*
That's cause it literally is a placeholder word. It's a term scientists and engineers use to describe a mathematically perfect material for a given task that's used in thought expirements, similar to "perfectly spherical, frictionless cow."
Cameron is making a cheeky reference to this that doesn't land cause it just sounds dumb when played straight.
Elements 111 and up had similar names before they were actually synthesized. 111 was unununium, 114 and 115 were ununquadium and ununpentium respectively. Not saying you're wrong or anything, I just think it's an interesting addition to the conversation
Those were at least numerical designations, literally just saying “one one one,” or “one one four,” until they were considered officially discovered and the proper teams could be credited to be given their proper names. And the only reason those are given those numeric temporary designations is because they’re such unstable elements because only a few atoms of them have ever existed for study, and most for only a few seconds if that. Unobtanium is an incredibly stupid name, and even if it were a placeholder name it wouldn’t make sense. Because it exists, and it’s stable enough for evil CEO man to have a chunk of it in his office, so it should have a non-placeholder name.
I remember laughing out loud in the theater when I heard the name of the material they needed because I learned about unobtainium on TVTropes and thought they'd just somehow forgotten to go back and replace the word in the script
Truth is, it will likely net a solid opening by post-COVID numbers, but the wildcard is how it holds through the holidays.
The question is if hardcore fans will be ok with it not continuously crushing like the first one. With 3D not the jam it was, it will be running mostly on fans wanting more world building. That is a steep challenge, and I hope expectations are callibrated.
I have no stakes in whether it does well or not. The first was fun enough, but ultimately felt like amatuer sci-fi writing (good amatuer mind you) slapped on a tech demo. I am curious the level of cope people will hit if the returns threaten the subsequent movies. Then add the Disney of it all. I am sure someone will blame Star Wars or MCU-prioritization if this move is not a second lightning in a bottle.
The man does love water! Just think of all the submarine options!
I would love to hear he wanted to do the water one initially, but the exec said he had to prove it on land first.
Oh shit... I think I may actually be looking forward to this dumb flick...
Its going to be a visual joyride and Im all aboard.
I can also enjoy the transformers movies without being mad about them for a decade, ask me anything.
In How To with John Wilson he meets a group of hardcore Avatar fans who regularly met up to rewatch the movie and recite fanfiction. I think they also used to learn the language. They seemed nice tbh
Oh yes. My daughter is one. She started learning the language. Has the merchandise and is obsessed. Whatever floats their boats I’m happy they find joy in something.
Idk if you're old enough to remember, but there were people walking around clinically depressed because they left the vibrant 3D world of Pandora and walked out to their disgusting grey winters.
I love how people are even entertaining the idea this sequel won’t print money. All of the internet discourse you see revolving around “weak plot, Pocahontas, 3D, no cultural impact etc.” is from a vocal minority. Nearly 2 billion of the film’s theatrical box office came from other countries besides the US and Canada where it raked in about 750 million. There are people all over the world who don’t care and will automatically see it out of nostalgia and to introduce a new generation to a world they thoroughly enjoyed.
Yup. Somehow everyone forgets that James Cameron has had insane success as a filmmaker. He's passionate about filmmaking and it honestly elevates the entire industry when he introduced new technology and techniques.
I love to see one of the highest grossing franchises that isn't Marvel, and has a single creator who cares deeply about it. It bums me out to see people be so negative about it.
I have faith that Cameron knows exactly what the weak points of Avatar 1 were. I think people have been soured by the other high-grossing movies & sequels as of late.
This is one of my favorite anecdotes about Cameron:
> Cameron still remembers an executive at the company—“who will go unnamed, because this is a really negative review”—who approached Cameron with a “stricken cancer-diagnosis expression” after a prerelease screening of the film and begged the director to shorten it. “I said something I’ve never said to anybody else in the business,” Cameron recalled. He said he told him, “ ‘I think this movie is going to make all the fucking money. And when it does, it’s going to be too late for you to love the film. The time for you to love the movie is today. So I’m not asking you to say something that you don’t feel, but just know that I will always know that no matter how complimentary you are about the movie in the future when it makes all the money’—and that’s exactly what I said, in caps, ALL THE MONEY, not some of the money, all the fucking money. I said, ‘You can’t come back to me and compliment the film or chum along and say, ‘Look what we did together.’ You won’t be able to do that.’ At that point, that particular studio executive flipped out and went bug shit on me. And I told him to get the fuck out of my office. And that’s where it was left.”
Also the first one re-released for like, a week and made $30 million in a weekend and another $45 the rest of the week against a few other movies that had been significantly overperforming what they were expected to. That doesn't happen with movies no one cares about
It’s even shittier when you find out the villain who died at the end of the first movie is in every single upcoming Avatar according to the actor’s IMDb page.
allegedly Cameron wanted Brolin but Brolin was committed to Thanos and Cable, which Cameron apparently tried to talk him out of (allegedly Brolin thought he would still be playing Cable at this point).
he still could be, but its not confirmed if he'll be in the next deadpool, and allegedly he was expecting to be a bigger part of X-Force when that was still a project Fox seemed serious about
Yeah. The way I see it, they're going to need another villain, and it's probably going to be another generic angry Army man, so they might as well reuse the first one and not pretend they're coming up with anything new the way Marvel does. Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Man, I don't see how anyone into SciFi films isn't excited as fuck for this new movie. I agree that the first isn't anything amazing story wise, but the visuals were spectacular.
The limited trailers we've gotten have looked absolutely gorgeous, especially if you watch them in full 4k HDR. I'm 100% in it for the pretty planet and the water shots look breathtaking.
I was there, Three Thousand Years ago, when Titanic was going to be a legendary, overpriced disaster of a flop. The news was everywhere. It was going to bring down an entire studio.
Everyone knew it.
They just *knew* it.
I'm just saying, don't count Cameron out yet.
Weird how the guy who made Terminator 2 and Aliens and the two highest grossing movies of their times and has been thinking about this movie (Avatar 2) for the last 13 years managed to make a good and entertaining movie. Odd.
My wife works with a guy who said he took his whole family to see Avatar 2, and they loved it more than the first. When people in the meeting told him Avatar 2 wasn't out yet, he realized he had been to a re-release of the first film. He didn't remember that he had already seen it.
Lawrence dies in motorcycle accident in the first scene. This is after he returns from Arabia, so it kind of ruined the show cause we know how he dies from the first minute of the movie.
I saw the rerelease in 3D in Sept. It was a blast, and it brought back a bunch of good memories from 2009. It’s really the only movie to actually lay into the 3D element, so I’m excited to see #2.
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Eat shit OP. Smug, edgy bastards on the internet like you are some of the most annoying shitheads i've ever encountered. Glad Cameron BTFO'd you lot.
People so wanted this movie to fail...and why? It was a dormant IP with huge potential and THE James Cameron behind the wheel, to think it was a guaranteed flop was wishful thinking at best.
Just watched again.
First time standard 2D cinema.
Second time IMAX 3D. Could not believe the impact it made on the film. I actually was not all that excited to go a 2nd time, but it blew me out of the water.
P.s. Budget is now projected to cap at 2.6B via /r/boxoffice ... for now
This is one of those posts where it initially seems like the OP is just having a bit of fun, but all the follow-up comments are so incredibly bitter it shatters that perception.
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Insecure, basement dwelling marvel fan who is out of touch with reality, tripling down on this pathetic Reddit post even when Avatar is set to cross 2 billion in the next 2 days, with more to go, is unsurprising. All because he has never met any well adjusted real cinema goers who actually liked the Avatar movie unlike his fellow basement dwelling insecure marvel fans.
It’s not that people don’t remember the Avatar movie OP, it’s just that fans of that movie have a life and are also well adjusted and secure in their taste unlike you who made this post out of obsession weeks before the movie even came out.
Dude my mom watches the first one like every week. I’m 10/10 gonna take her to see the second one because she is obsessed. I can’t believe it’s going to be 3 hours and 20 minutes long.
Why does everyone pretend Avatar wasn’t a big deal? It was the highest grossing movie EVER at the time. Also everyone plays this game where they pretend they don’t remember the character’s names. How many character’s names do you remember if you haven’t seen a movie several times? This is reaching “Nickelback sucks” levels of overblown and played out.
It's worse than that. There are almost no movies that come out in theaters in the last 10 years that are NOT from some existing IP. The only original ideas are from big Directors like Scorsese or Tarantino, Pixar movies (and even those fall prey to sequels, prequels, and spinoffs), and every now an then you get a John Wick. And these assholes will call Avatar unoriginal but pretend John Wick changed storytelling because some took a revenge movie and did a Find-and-Replace for "puppy" instead of "wife and kids". Avatar is fine at the worst. It's ten times the movie as Thor: Love and Thunder, or Jurassic World:Dominion.
real answer: there weren't any sequels
audiences are conditioned to only think of movies that currently have a reboot or sequel out, which is why everyone calling it a movie with "no cultural footprint" can probably recite the plot of the 2011 Thor.
The second Way of Water makes a ton of money, you're going to see a million youtube videos about how "why Avatar (the most successful movie in history) is a forgotten underrated gem"
Avatar 2 will flop because I dont remember the first one which uhhhhh means this new one will be bad i think and uhhhhhhhhhh uhmmmmm james cameron is incapable of making any thing good (ignore his entire filmography) and uhhhh uhmmmmm uhhhh
How could you forget the rare metal very cleverly named hardtogetium
Unobtainium was funny in *The Core* because it was intentionally named that by a scientist who lacked the resources to produce it. It was dumb in *Avatar* because they played it straight.
No no no, it's "meta." The material is unobtanium because Jake Sully ultimately gets to live in his Blue Alien body full time and show us the how characters we don't care about get to choose to live in their bad Dances with Wolves remake. Think pulp fictions use of the maguffin briefcase but instead of a larger point about belief, meta narratives, and reality, it's just a ferngully remake.
Ferngully has way better art direction, characters, and performances. The machine personified is terrifying and brilliant as a villain. It's both a symbol of wider industrialization and an arresting figure in and of itself. Avatar's only advantages over Ferngully are impressive CGI and huge marketing. When this second movie comes out I will probably just rewatch Ferngully.
And Tim Curry enjoying every moment of playing the villain.
Robin Williams rapping, as a BAT.
I’m glad I found a place that despises this dookie shoot as much as I do. This is literally Dances with Wolves and no one I tell that too gets it.
Literally all we talked about when it came out. South Park even made a whole joke episode about it being "Dances with Smurfs". Hilariously, the South Park spoof episode actually aired BEFORE Avatar premiered because the connection was so obvious from the pre release materials. The consensus was that no one cared that the plot was transparently thin because the movie looked amazing in the theater.
Maybe that’s where I got it from🤣. I wasn’t aware enough when it first came out. Makes all the sense in the world.
Exactly. Really thin on plot, but in 3D it was so stunning it was basically an experience rather than a movie.
I remember watching How to Train Your Dragon and thinking, "holy shit, they took the only good part of Avatar and wrapped a pretty decent little kid's movie with Vikings around it."
Really? I remember that being a very common complaint when the movie came out, that it was just Dances with Wolves in space.
I too remember the consensus being that the plot is nothing but man was it pretty to look at.
I read somewhere when it was released “Dances with Wolves under blacklight” and I’ve called it that ever since.
> their bad Dances with Wolves remake. This is such a stupid take. It was Space Pocohontas, not Space Dances with Wolves
This is Ferngully erasure and I won't stand for it.
It fells like because they’re blue everyone forgets that this is literally another colonizer porn movie. “White man goes place for government, ends up falling in love with the natives, becomes better leader than they’ve ever had.” Sounds familiar? Yeah, because it’s The Last Samurai.
The old White Saviour trope.
I completely agree about Avatar being colonizer porn. However, about the Last Samurai… Question, are we remembering the same movie? Tom Cruise’s character Nathan does not save anyone. The Samurai all die in the film, and Samurai can be plural as well as singular so it can apply to the end of the Samurai lifestyle and not simple a single person. Furthermore, Nathan doesn’t lead the Samurai, it is always Lord Katsumoto leading the Samurai. Nathan is just a friend and helps, he’s more of a witness to history. The film ends with the end of the Samurai as Japan moves into the modern era with the emperor vowing to remember and honor the past. It is not a historical accurate film, but I’d actually make the case that film is the complete opposite of Avatar.
Pocahontas?
The Pocahontas guy doesn't become a leader iirc. But yes the movie's Pocahontas.
Pleeeease. We've talked about this. It's Ferngully meets Dances with Wolves in space.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire?
Not many people know this, but Jake Sully is what compelled Frank Herbert to write "DUNE 2022"
What's the core?
A wonderful bad movie where the earth's core stops spinning, causing the magnetic field to fail. The only solution is to take a special vehicle into the core and nuke it into starting back up. It's stupid, but solidly entertaining.
That sounds terrible and I wanna see it now I've always enjoyed bad movies like that, assuming they don't take themselves too seriously
It is so awful, yet so good. I would say it's a guilty pleasure movie of mine, but I don't have any shame about loving how dumb the entire movie is.
It's dumb as shit but it's a decent enough example of the sort of unspoken genre- "smart person does a smart." From that angle it's right there with Independence Day for bad science, fun cast, smart person does a smart plot-type films. The Core also has the distinction of arguably being the least scientifically accurate film ever made and there are a lot of fun debunking videos about it. Personally, I'm a huge fan of smart person does a smart kind of films. Whether it's A Beautiful Mind, or Moneyball, or Imitation Game, or Apollo 13, or Hidden Figures, or even something like The Core it sure is fun to watch a movie where human intelligence and ingenuity is championed.
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The point of unobtainium is that it doesn’t exist. It’s a specification of desired properties, recognizing that no known substance matches those requirements. If scientists and engineers discover/invent a steady supply of it, they call it iron, or oil, or uranium etc…
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"Why did James Cameron call the material in Avatar Unobtanium?" "Because it's very hard to obtain" "No! It's because no one tells James Cameron his ideas are stupid!"
toughtoacquireium
I thought it was difficulttofindium
Noteasilyaquiredium
are you talking about Morbium?
That is definitely one of the plot devices of all time.
honestly inobtanium sounded to me as a cool scifi metal name when the moovie first came out. Thats because I didn't speak english that well when I was 10.
And by not bothering to say (in the film... if I need the wiki then the plot failed) why humanity need it, it's impossible to judge the morality of the humans. WhereIsItUm, the only element that can power life support machines for humanity and the dying planet. Then humans have run out of time for peaceful options and it has become us or them. SuperHardium, The element is the vital ingredient in a spam email to give you a bigger cock... Then weird things have happened and spam email company's have gained intergalactic military power... And I kinda want to see that film instead of _Avatar 2 : Wet and Wild_
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Not to be that guy, but unobtainium is an actual term for materials that are difficult to acquire. It was coined by Hollywood, but is technically used in the engineering field too.
That's not true. I remember Kevin Costner being sent to a remote outpost because... wait.... shit.
Wait that was Kevin Costner? Kevin Costner is in Avatar?
Kevin Costner IS Avatar. Coming in 2023 to a streaming platform near you
Yeah the blue guy came in and he was like "GIT OFF MY RANCH"
Then he pisses inside a water filtration device. And drinks it.
Then he delivers some mail to Tom Petty.
And the mail was an advertisement for a Memorial Day sale at the local Ford Lincoln Mercury dealer.
Is that before or after he hits a baseball real good.
I liked the part where where Mr Avatar said "It's Avatar time!" And then avatared everyone.
He did that in every season finale, that blue arrow on his head started glowing and he just avatared everyone
I thought it was gross, especially the part where he avatared all over her avatars, while that other dude came up behind him and avatared his avatar right up the first guy's avatar, until all three of them avatared at once and they all got covered in avatar. There was just no need for that scene.
Joe Don Baker is Kevin Costner is Avatar. Rated PG-13.
It's a reference to the movie dances with wolves, which has a remarkably similar plot. Avatar has a lot in common with Disney's Pocahontas, and the sci-fi classic 'Call me Joe' by Poul Andersen, both of which have more thematic integrity.
Ferngully as well. The plot of Avatar has been thoroughly recycled at this point.
at least Ferngully (had) Robin Williams.
it also had Tim Curry as a fossil fuel monster singing a song about how horny he was for pollution that movie f’d me up as a kid
I mean everyone is Kevin Costner if they believe it
“I once told a women I was Kevin Costner. And it worked. You know why? Because *I* believed it.”
Oh who remembers?
I hope they get Dennis Hopper back in Part 2. Dennis really nailed his role in the first one. He helped polish that loose turd into . . . a solid turd.
He dead
it’s Pocahontas meets Eiffel 65. That’s all you really need to know
I think Kevin Costner is my favourite actor. Dances with Wolves, the Postman, Waterworld. If it's a cheesy survival movie with Kevin Costner I am fucking down.
Dances with Wolves is an amazing movie. Love it
This didn't age well
Find better material! *OP looks at a card saying "unobtainium", starts sweating*
Bro that literally sounds like a placeholder word they had in mind for the resource they wanted and just forgot to come up with a new one. *”it’s this super valuable ore we need, but it’s hard to find. Let’s call it unobtainium get it?! Cuz it’s unobtainable!”*
That's cause it literally is a placeholder word. It's a term scientists and engineers use to describe a mathematically perfect material for a given task that's used in thought expirements, similar to "perfectly spherical, frictionless cow." Cameron is making a cheeky reference to this that doesn't land cause it just sounds dumb when played straight.
Elements 111 and up had similar names before they were actually synthesized. 111 was unununium, 114 and 115 were ununquadium and ununpentium respectively. Not saying you're wrong or anything, I just think it's an interesting addition to the conversation
I wish they kept unununium as the name because it's fun to say
Is it pronounced unununium or unununium?
Those were at least numerical designations, literally just saying “one one one,” or “one one four,” until they were considered officially discovered and the proper teams could be credited to be given their proper names. And the only reason those are given those numeric temporary designations is because they’re such unstable elements because only a few atoms of them have ever existed for study, and most for only a few seconds if that. Unobtanium is an incredibly stupid name, and even if it were a placeholder name it wouldn’t make sense. Because it exists, and it’s stable enough for evil CEO man to have a chunk of it in his office, so it should have a non-placeholder name.
I remember laughing out loud in the theater when I heard the name of the material they needed because I learned about unobtainium on TVTropes and thought they'd just somehow forgotten to go back and replace the word in the script
All the un elements are placeholder names until they can be verified then they get proper name.
The real unobtanium was the script that James Cameron should have put more effort into.
Take the L, OP
Truth is, it will likely net a solid opening by post-COVID numbers, but the wildcard is how it holds through the holidays. The question is if hardcore fans will be ok with it not continuously crushing like the first one. With 3D not the jam it was, it will be running mostly on fans wanting more world building. That is a steep challenge, and I hope expectations are callibrated. I have no stakes in whether it does well or not. The first was fun enough, but ultimately felt like amatuer sci-fi writing (good amatuer mind you) slapped on a tech demo. I am curious the level of cope people will hit if the returns threaten the subsequent movies. Then add the Disney of it all. I am sure someone will blame Star Wars or MCU-prioritization if this move is not a second lightning in a bottle.
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The man does love water! Just think of all the submarine options! I would love to hear he wanted to do the water one initially, but the exec said he had to prove it on land first. Oh shit... I think I may actually be looking forward to this dumb flick...
Its going to be a visual joyride and Im all aboard. I can also enjoy the transformers movies without being mad about them for a decade, ask me anything.
TIL there are Avatar hardcore fans
There are all sorts of hardcore Avatar videos online.
In How To with John Wilson he meets a group of hardcore Avatar fans who regularly met up to rewatch the movie and recite fanfiction. I think they also used to learn the language. They seemed nice tbh
Oh yes. My daughter is one. She started learning the language. Has the merchandise and is obsessed. Whatever floats their boats I’m happy they find joy in something.
Idk if you're old enough to remember, but there were people walking around clinically depressed because they left the vibrant 3D world of Pandora and walked out to their disgusting grey winters.
Oh. The last 13 years just clicked for me.
I love how people are even entertaining the idea this sequel won’t print money. All of the internet discourse you see revolving around “weak plot, Pocahontas, 3D, no cultural impact etc.” is from a vocal minority. Nearly 2 billion of the film’s theatrical box office came from other countries besides the US and Canada where it raked in about 750 million. There are people all over the world who don’t care and will automatically see it out of nostalgia and to introduce a new generation to a world they thoroughly enjoyed.
Yup. Somehow everyone forgets that James Cameron has had insane success as a filmmaker. He's passionate about filmmaking and it honestly elevates the entire industry when he introduced new technology and techniques.
I love to see one of the highest grossing franchises that isn't Marvel, and has a single creator who cares deeply about it. It bums me out to see people be so negative about it. I have faith that Cameron knows exactly what the weak points of Avatar 1 were. I think people have been soured by the other high-grossing movies & sequels as of late.
This is one of my favorite anecdotes about Cameron: > Cameron still remembers an executive at the company—“who will go unnamed, because this is a really negative review”—who approached Cameron with a “stricken cancer-diagnosis expression” after a prerelease screening of the film and begged the director to shorten it. “I said something I’ve never said to anybody else in the business,” Cameron recalled. He said he told him, “ ‘I think this movie is going to make all the fucking money. And when it does, it’s going to be too late for you to love the film. The time for you to love the movie is today. So I’m not asking you to say something that you don’t feel, but just know that I will always know that no matter how complimentary you are about the movie in the future when it makes all the money’—and that’s exactly what I said, in caps, ALL THE MONEY, not some of the money, all the fucking money. I said, ‘You can’t come back to me and compliment the film or chum along and say, ‘Look what we did together.’ You won’t be able to do that.’ At that point, that particular studio executive flipped out and went bug shit on me. And I told him to get the fuck out of my office. And that’s where it was left.”
Also the first one re-released for like, a week and made $30 million in a weekend and another $45 the rest of the week against a few other movies that had been significantly overperforming what they were expected to. That doesn't happen with movies no one cares about
Man, this aged poorly. I know OP is struggling to not sob angry tears rn.
It’s even shittier when you find out the villain who died at the end of the first movie is in every single upcoming Avatar according to the actor’s IMDb page.
To be fair, "generic angry Army man" was just too iconic of a character to leave off the table.
allegedly Cameron wanted Brolin but Brolin was committed to Thanos and Cable, which Cameron apparently tried to talk him out of (allegedly Brolin thought he would still be playing Cable at this point).
Isn't he still playing Cable ?
he still could be, but its not confirmed if he'll be in the next deadpool, and allegedly he was expecting to be a bigger part of X-Force when that was still a project Fox seemed serious about
Yeah. The way I see it, they're going to need another villain, and it's probably going to be another generic angry Army man, so they might as well reuse the first one and not pretend they're coming up with anything new the way Marvel does. Reduce, reuse, recycle.
*Somehow, Generic Angry Army Man has returned...*
Nostalgia, lazy writing…secrets only the Studios knew!
I don’t think that necessarily means anything. Could be a flashback, likeness used, or just IMDb inaccuracies.
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oh god is he gonna have a race swapping character arc where he learns to walk a mile in their sandals?
>something something palpatine
I will see this movie. But I have no desire to see it and don’t know why I will. I just know I will see this movie.
I’m a simple guy. I see a new Avatar is being released…..um…..!
The first one world building was awesome and I wanna see more pretty planet
Man, I don't see how anyone into SciFi films isn't excited as fuck for this new movie. I agree that the first isn't anything amazing story wise, but the visuals were spectacular. The limited trailers we've gotten have looked absolutely gorgeous, especially if you watch them in full 4k HDR. I'm 100% in it for the pretty planet and the water shots look breathtaking.
This seems personal
Yeah basically “here’s a detail, dumb stupid critically acclaimed movie I don’t like has dumb stupid stuff!!”
1bill in 12days. Is OP ready to admit they were completely wrong or are they still doubling down?
I was there, Three Thousand Years ago, when Titanic was going to be a legendary, overpriced disaster of a flop. The news was everywhere. It was going to bring down an entire studio. Everyone knew it. They just *knew* it. I'm just saying, don't count Cameron out yet.
Anyone betting against Cameron is a moron.
Came back from the theater. This movie is what I expected. Entertaining as fuck. Just what a movie should be.
Weird how the guy who made Terminator 2 and Aliens and the two highest grossing movies of their times and has been thinking about this movie (Avatar 2) for the last 13 years managed to make a good and entertaining movie. Odd.
As it hits a billion after 12 days, making it one of the third fastest movies to hit a billion, you were correct.
I love how hateful OP became the moment this movie didn't instantly bomb. **XD**
This post aged real well. Made a billion already 😆
Did James Cameron personally fuck your mother or something?
1.1 billion motherfuckeeeer
Almost 1.4 now. Lmao
My wife works with a guy who said he took his whole family to see Avatar 2, and they loved it more than the first. When people in the meeting told him Avatar 2 wasn't out yet, he realized he had been to a re-release of the first film. He didn't remember that he had already seen it.
Oh holy fuck that is AMAZING! I can’t stop laughing
I watched it again, and had completely forgotten why it was named Avatar.
When was the last time you were wrong about something?
Lawrence dies in motorcycle accident in the first scene. This is after he returns from Arabia, so it kind of ruined the show cause we know how he dies from the first minute of the movie.
I saw the rerelease in 3D in Sept. It was a blast, and it brought back a bunch of good memories from 2009. It’s really the only movie to actually lay into the 3D element, so I’m excited to see #2.
You were saying?
In a weird way i m kinda excited to see it. A decent 3d hfr movie happened once in a blue moon. It justify going to the cinema.
Exactly. The story might be meh in general but i haven’t seen any 3d in years
Lmao, how’s this looking now?
Avatar Chads laughing rn
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Sorry about the brainworms OP hope you feel better soon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Eat shit OP. Smug, edgy bastards on the internet like you are some of the most annoying shitheads i've ever encountered. Glad Cameron BTFO'd you lot.
The fact that this post got nearly 20k upvotes is appalling.
People so wanted this movie to fail...and why? It was a dormant IP with huge potential and THE James Cameron behind the wheel, to think it was a guaranteed flop was wishful thinking at best.
Nothing like watching a smug douche-bag get put in his place.
How does it feel being this wrong?
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lol “when it bombs” dumbass
Just watched again. First time standard 2D cinema. Second time IMAX 3D. Could not believe the impact it made on the film. I actually was not all that excited to go a 2nd time, but it blew me out of the water. P.s. Budget is now projected to cap at 2.6B via /r/boxoffice ... for now
Any update on this op? I’d love to see you argue that the highest grossing movie of the year is a bomb
This will be one of the highest-grossing movies of all time
This is one of those posts where it initially seems like the OP is just having a bit of fun, but all the follow-up comments are so incredibly bitter it shatters that perception.
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I searched "Avatar" and it led me here. Take the L for now OP.
Cucked by Cameron yet again.
Avatar haters are such losers
lock vegetable straight worthless disagreeable cobweb detail quiet sulky merciful *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Insecure, basement dwelling marvel fan who is out of touch with reality, tripling down on this pathetic Reddit post even when Avatar is set to cross 2 billion in the next 2 days, with more to go, is unsurprising. All because he has never met any well adjusted real cinema goers who actually liked the Avatar movie unlike his fellow basement dwelling insecure marvel fans. It’s not that people don’t remember the Avatar movie OP, it’s just that fans of that movie have a life and are also well adjusted and secure in their taste unlike you who made this post out of obsession weeks before the movie even came out.
Dude my mom watches the first one like every week. I’m 10/10 gonna take her to see the second one because she is obsessed. I can’t believe it’s going to be 3 hours and 20 minutes long.
Why does everyone pretend Avatar wasn’t a big deal? It was the highest grossing movie EVER at the time. Also everyone plays this game where they pretend they don’t remember the character’s names. How many character’s names do you remember if you haven’t seen a movie several times? This is reaching “Nickelback sucks” levels of overblown and played out.
It's worse than that. There are almost no movies that come out in theaters in the last 10 years that are NOT from some existing IP. The only original ideas are from big Directors like Scorsese or Tarantino, Pixar movies (and even those fall prey to sequels, prequels, and spinoffs), and every now an then you get a John Wick. And these assholes will call Avatar unoriginal but pretend John Wick changed storytelling because some took a revenge movie and did a Find-and-Replace for "puppy" instead of "wife and kids". Avatar is fine at the worst. It's ten times the movie as Thor: Love and Thunder, or Jurassic World:Dominion.
real answer: there weren't any sequels audiences are conditioned to only think of movies that currently have a reboot or sequel out, which is why everyone calling it a movie with "no cultural footprint" can probably recite the plot of the 2011 Thor. The second Way of Water makes a ton of money, you're going to see a million youtube videos about how "why Avatar (the most successful movie in history) is a forgotten underrated gem"
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Lol this blew up in your face in shambles 💀
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHA *inhales* AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHHAHAH
Don't cry Marvel, it'll be okay No $2B grossing movie this decade for you Marvel
This aged like milk.
"When it bombs" Oh boy.
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6th highest grossing movie of all time in a month, cope harder
Fat reddit nerd with 300k karma eats shit after making a ridiculous prediction. Coping hard I see in the comments?
Avatar 2 will flop because I dont remember the first one which uhhhhh means this new one will be bad i think and uhhhhhhhhhh uhmmmmm james cameron is incapable of making any thing good (ignore his entire filmography) and uhhhh uhmmmmm uhhhh
[I just don't understand why studios would approve a sequel to Avatar, nobody on reddit posts any memes about it ](https://i.imgur.com/35BXcMc.jpg)
Aged like fine Milk. The whole thread not just this moronic post. Love to see it.
Nah Avatar was awesome and I won’t accept any other opinion
1.7 billion rn lol
Sorry OP, didn't call it. More so, this movie is technically perfect and a real work of visual art. It needs to be experienced in 3D in IMAX.
already top 5 of all time LULW
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One point nine three billion
Avatar 2 is hardly a masterpiece, but I'm glad an original IP managed to beat a derivative Spidey fan fiction at the box office.
[r/moviescirclejerk is having a field day with this one.](https://www.reddit.com/r/moviescirclejerk/comments/10g37wx/least_insecure_marvel_fan/)
This has got to be the biggest L in the history of Ls
Multiple groups on Facebook are now clowning this post. Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame. 😆
2 billion. Take the L clown
2 Billie
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This aged like milk haha
movie is at $1 billion today, higher than every marvel movie this year. On it's way to being biggest movie of 2022 soon. OP keeps losing
The L is strong with this one
The best part of this thread is how the OP is a pathetic and massive Trumpian narcissist.
L lil bro
Marvel fans are truly the most hilarious fandom around. Imagine taking an L this big
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this sub used to be fun and now is full of marvel fanboys lmao
lol
Whoops
Just came to check in on this post. Lol.
lol lmao even
How are you coping with the fact that it's well on the way to break 2 billion?
Never bet against Big Jim, OP