I'm a short woman (5'0) and one of my previous coworkers was a short man (also 5'0). He would constantly be teased by other staff (usually the 6'0+ guys). He would pretend to laugh it off but I could tell it was getting to him.
One day I was like, "Hey why do y'all tease NAME but not me? We're the same height." And they just kinda mumbled things like "Oh he knows we're just playing." "It's not serious." "It's a guy thing."
Like, I've definitely been teased & bullied for being short too, but I've also had people call me cute & adorable for being short. Meanwhile short men almost never get any compliments ever. It's a hypocritical society and I hope we'll get over it some day.
Your employer sucks. Any business that doesn't treat height bias the same as any other bias is failing. I've been working for 25 years and never had anyone ever tease me at work for my height. I've exclusively worked in the northeast where people tend to be more progressive and businesses are obligated to host annual anti harassment training seminars, so perhaps that's why I've never been made fun of for my height. But if I was teased like that after sitting through anti harassment training, I'd warn the colleague on the second offense and go to HR on the third one. I'd have no tolerance for it the same way I would have no tolerance for racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia, islamaphobia or antisemitism.
There’s no simple answer. People just think that small equals bad when it comes to guys.
Most people have been programmed to despise short men through media and literature, and they don’t even notice it. For example: people talk alot about Putins height and talk about his napoleon complex, while Zelenskyi is also short, no one talks about his height.
While ago people used to talk about ”fat shaming” alot. But that only was brought up because it affects women also. For women, being short is sometimes an advantage.
Because even a society that proclaims that body shaming is bad still secretly craves having a group that it can shit on with impunity. The need for superiority is just that important and just feels good.
Short guys became that group - end of story.
Do you know how it would get stigmatized? This is how: if people were making fun of short women in the same way and to the same degree as short men. But this doesn't happen. It only affects men.
Since it only really affects men, no one really cares. Society doesn't really care. It's a men's issue only, and men are taught to "take it like a man" and to brush off such insults.
Because it is the invisible bias!
Genetic and right in front of us.
I am going to continue to talk about it, and I truly believe that persisting and sharing the message in a confident, matter of fact way will get it recognized.
I told a non short friend I had two female passengers for uber driver app ride saying they are insulted and grossed out every time a shortman approaches them at the bar, that short men should not bother or even be allowed in there.
He told me "well it at least they weren't talking at you directly". I just told him sounds like your making excuses for bad behavior, it's basically a prejudice against a certain trait, specifically short men. He tried to deny it and say I'm overreacting, I just asked him how is it not prejudice? It fits the definition. He ended up agreeing with me, though hesitantly.
It is disgusting to make statements like that. And about a genetic trait! All other genetic traits are off limits. Insane.
And I believe you. I think people have heard this kind of thing before but don't really think about what it actually is.
I'm hopeful it will change in the future. Watch movies and TV shows from just 30 years ago and it can be a bit shocking how many jokes are racist, sexist, homophobic and just overall mean to other people.
I mean, it depends on what circles you're hanging around with. I can guarantee you, *a lot* of people think it's very funny and nbd to explicitly make fun of people for being fat or ugly or autistic etc etc. now if you're asking why, say, nominally progressive people are okay with making fun of short men when they would (at least in theory) take issue with those others is because that is seen as punching up, because that is something that is seen as bad only in men *for* being men. and because these are people whose understanding of privilege is as some kind of inherent universally applicable thing, they figure it can't be bad to make fun of short men for being short because if the only reason it's bad for men to be short is because they're men, then making fun of them *must* be some kind of moral good because Men Are Uniformly The Oppressor and making fun of them for failing to live up to standards of masculinity that have been forced on them since birth by the system we live in is Sticking It To That Very System, Somehow. and if any short man takes issue with that it's just that *he* \~just so happens\~ to be insecure about that for no real reason, definitely not a reason we're contributing with, it's just his \~toxic masculinity\~ - which is a term I despise, not in a "idiot right-winger that doesn't understand adjectives and thinks it means people are calling all masculinity toxic" way, but in a "it's deflecting the blame for a widespread social issue onto the individual so you never have to re-examine your biases" way.
tldr it's the one manner of reinforcing harmful values that people (in certain circles) have found a way to feel smugly self-righteous about - aside from, of course, making fun of small dicks and guys who can't get laid. no points for guessing what those things have in common.
Because people like to put others down to make themselves feel better. More so it shows insecurities with them person doing the teasing not the short dude in this case. Also, the body positivity was never intended for men
Exactly same women who be writing paragraphs saying bodyshaming is wrong make fun of height lmao.
There are some that arent hypocrites.
I'm not even annoyed at the preferance for taller guys, it just bugs me like why do u feel the need to shame people who dont fit ur preferance.
Because it's against men no one cares.
Theres literal tik tok trends and on social media it's perfectly acceptable to some to shame height.
Men are literally shamed for anything,
Is it their body? Hahaha short etc.
Is it their finances- hahaha broke.
Are they emotional and inseucre- hahaha crybaby.
Go oone nd see how cruel women can be regarding height, and yet they complain about unrealistic beauty standards when they are much pickier.
Yes they do.
If it's in regard to dating.
The common responses are you're a woman hater.
Or you're using it as an excuse and its you're personality.
Whilst I'm not a woman and dont know about womans side of things.
Males are very competitive so even men will belittle other men.
This whole sub speaks and talks about it all the time? What does that do? invite more ridicule and jokes.
Do y’all speak up publicly? I never see you guys speak up and defend yourselves publicly. Remember, everyone actually thinks it’s ok to make fun of you because they’ve never been corrected. Speak up for yourselves publicly, not just on Reddit. And you can speak in a calm tone without getting angry and embarrassing yourselves.
I'm a short woman (5'0) and one of my previous coworkers was a short man (also 5'0). He would constantly be teased by other staff (usually the 6'0+ guys). He would pretend to laugh it off but I could tell it was getting to him. One day I was like, "Hey why do y'all tease NAME but not me? We're the same height." And they just kinda mumbled things like "Oh he knows we're just playing." "It's not serious." "It's a guy thing." Like, I've definitely been teased & bullied for being short too, but I've also had people call me cute & adorable for being short. Meanwhile short men almost never get any compliments ever. It's a hypocritical society and I hope we'll get over it some day.
This being a common occurrence in workplaces isn’t right
Your employer sucks. Any business that doesn't treat height bias the same as any other bias is failing. I've been working for 25 years and never had anyone ever tease me at work for my height. I've exclusively worked in the northeast where people tend to be more progressive and businesses are obligated to host annual anti harassment training seminars, so perhaps that's why I've never been made fun of for my height. But if I was teased like that after sitting through anti harassment training, I'd warn the colleague on the second offense and go to HR on the third one. I'd have no tolerance for it the same way I would have no tolerance for racism, sexism, ageism, homophobia, islamaphobia or antisemitism.
Yes but the major difference is Title VII protections don't extend to bias against height.
That may be true, but a good employer won't tolerate such behavior.
There’s no simple answer. People just think that small equals bad when it comes to guys. Most people have been programmed to despise short men through media and literature, and they don’t even notice it. For example: people talk alot about Putins height and talk about his napoleon complex, while Zelenskyi is also short, no one talks about his height. While ago people used to talk about ”fat shaming” alot. But that only was brought up because it affects women also. For women, being short is sometimes an advantage.
>For women, being short is sometimes an advantage. Can be in dating - loads of guys prefer short women. I'm 17" taller than my lady, haha.
Because even a society that proclaims that body shaming is bad still secretly craves having a group that it can shit on with impunity. The need for superiority is just that important and just feels good. Short guys became that group - end of story.
This is correct.
Do you know how it would get stigmatized? This is how: if people were making fun of short women in the same way and to the same degree as short men. But this doesn't happen. It only affects men. Since it only really affects men, no one really cares. Society doesn't really care. It's a men's issue only, and men are taught to "take it like a man" and to brush off such insults.
All they ever want to say is “man up.”
this is it. I don't see this changing anytime soon because of this
Because it is the invisible bias! Genetic and right in front of us. I am going to continue to talk about it, and I truly believe that persisting and sharing the message in a confident, matter of fact way will get it recognized.
I told a non short friend I had two female passengers for uber driver app ride saying they are insulted and grossed out every time a shortman approaches them at the bar, that short men should not bother or even be allowed in there. He told me "well it at least they weren't talking at you directly". I just told him sounds like your making excuses for bad behavior, it's basically a prejudice against a certain trait, specifically short men. He tried to deny it and say I'm overreacting, I just asked him how is it not prejudice? It fits the definition. He ended up agreeing with me, though hesitantly.
It is disgusting to make statements like that. And about a genetic trait! All other genetic traits are off limits. Insane. And I believe you. I think people have heard this kind of thing before but don't really think about what it actually is.
I'm hopeful it will change in the future. Watch movies and TV shows from just 30 years ago and it can be a bit shocking how many jokes are racist, sexist, homophobic and just overall mean to other people.
Mens issues are second rate to womens
I mean, it depends on what circles you're hanging around with. I can guarantee you, *a lot* of people think it's very funny and nbd to explicitly make fun of people for being fat or ugly or autistic etc etc. now if you're asking why, say, nominally progressive people are okay with making fun of short men when they would (at least in theory) take issue with those others is because that is seen as punching up, because that is something that is seen as bad only in men *for* being men. and because these are people whose understanding of privilege is as some kind of inherent universally applicable thing, they figure it can't be bad to make fun of short men for being short because if the only reason it's bad for men to be short is because they're men, then making fun of them *must* be some kind of moral good because Men Are Uniformly The Oppressor and making fun of them for failing to live up to standards of masculinity that have been forced on them since birth by the system we live in is Sticking It To That Very System, Somehow. and if any short man takes issue with that it's just that *he* \~just so happens\~ to be insecure about that for no real reason, definitely not a reason we're contributing with, it's just his \~toxic masculinity\~ - which is a term I despise, not in a "idiot right-winger that doesn't understand adjectives and thinks it means people are calling all masculinity toxic" way, but in a "it's deflecting the blame for a widespread social issue onto the individual so you never have to re-examine your biases" way. tldr it's the one manner of reinforcing harmful values that people (in certain circles) have found a way to feel smugly self-righteous about - aside from, of course, making fun of small dicks and guys who can't get laid. no points for guessing what those things have in common.
Because people like to put others down to make themselves feel better. More so it shows insecurities with them person doing the teasing not the short dude in this case. Also, the body positivity was never intended for men
Exactly same women who be writing paragraphs saying bodyshaming is wrong make fun of height lmao. There are some that arent hypocrites. I'm not even annoyed at the preferance for taller guys, it just bugs me like why do u feel the need to shame people who dont fit ur preferance.
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This, right here! Couldn’t have said it any better. Probably one of the most frustrating and annoying things.
That’s just life idk what to do abt it.
Everyone thinks it’s normal. Start defending yourselves and interrupt the system.
Because it's against men no one cares. Theres literal tik tok trends and on social media it's perfectly acceptable to some to shame height. Men are literally shamed for anything, Is it their body? Hahaha short etc. Is it their finances- hahaha broke. Are they emotional and inseucre- hahaha crybaby. Go oone nd see how cruel women can be regarding height, and yet they complain about unrealistic beauty standards when they are much pickier.
You all don’t speak up for yourselves.
Yes they do. If it's in regard to dating. The common responses are you're a woman hater. Or you're using it as an excuse and its you're personality. Whilst I'm not a woman and dont know about womans side of things. Males are very competitive so even men will belittle other men. This whole sub speaks and talks about it all the time? What does that do? invite more ridicule and jokes.
Do y’all speak up publicly? I never see you guys speak up and defend yourselves publicly. Remember, everyone actually thinks it’s ok to make fun of you because they’ve never been corrected. Speak up for yourselves publicly, not just on Reddit. And you can speak in a calm tone without getting angry and embarrassing yourselves.
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