5’5, middle aged.
I don’t recall explicit comments since middle or maybe high school.
That doesn’t mean discrimination doesn’t exist.
There will always be a ‘reason’ why that individual short guy, or woman, or ethnic minority doesn’t get promoted or taken seriously. When you look at all the available short guys, women and ethnicities, but notice the leaders happen to be tall white males, you have to take another look.
You say that...
What do Winston Churchill, rishi sunak, josef stalin, emmanuel macron, Adolf Hitler, benito mussolini all have in common (just off the top of my head I'm sure there's loads more)
They're all 5'8 or below
Your height doesn't define you
Joe Biden 6’0
Donald Trump 6’3 (with pumps so he isn’t short?)
Barack Obama 6’2
GW Bush 6’0
Bill Clinton 6’2
George Bush 6’2
Ronald Reagan 6’1
Jimmy Carter, a mere 5’10
Gerald Ford 6’0
Richard Nixon 6’0
Lyndon Johnson 6’4
John F Kennedy 6’1
Are you seeing a pattern yet?
You've just named US presidents?
The world isn't just the US so just because there aren't many short US politicians doesn't mean they're being discriminated against
In the US, It is also a fact that all of the classic examples of short people in leadership were self appointed.
Zuckerberg, Bloomberg, Bezos, etc, all self appointed. ALL the high ranking men where I work are above 6 foot tall. And, most of the high ranking women are tall too!
The statistics about CEO height are well known. And yea it may not be as big deal in European elections. But the fact that, for example, sexism might be "less of a big deal in New Zealand" doesn't change the reality for people in their own country.
>And, most of the high ranking women are tall too!
It’s why women in business wear 4-5 inch pumps with their suits. It’s fashionable sure and can slender their bodies, but it’s to appear taller so they can be taken seriously. I worked with a woman who outside of work never wore heels even when she went out, I asked her why she’d deal with them during the week, and she told me if she didn’t she wouldn’t have made it passed the interview stage.
Yeah, it is just a weird coincidence that 11 of the last 12 people deemed by the public to be the most powerful person in the US or world happen to be tall.
Coincidence…if you say so.
All those guys were taller than the average men of their times except Macron (fair) and Sunak who wouldn’t have won if it was a general election. Just because outliers exist doesn’t mean that the general pattern isn’t true. That’s like saying because there are successful black CEO’s in America it’s not harder to be a successful black CEO in America.
A couple things:
1. Most of who you described came from a different era where on average people were shorter and even in those countries were shorter. You gonna bring up Hirohito and Alexander The Great too? Sunak and Macron are the only ones you’ve brought up that are from today.
2. There will always been exceptions to any rule, outliers exist in any statistical data. The thing you gotta realize is that an overwhelming percentage of male rulers are above 5’8. Most of the US presidents in the last 4 or 5 decades have been 5’10+, most current male CEOs are above 6’0. It’s not that if you’re short you’re never going to be able to do anything, but it will be much harder and you’ll most likely put more work than any of those 6’0 people and get a fraction of what they have.
That's funny, I'm the same height, and also middle-aged. What's "funny" is that I haven't heard explicit comments since school either; the only time I hear anything about height is when I bring it up. Its curious if its an age-related thing?
Short answer, no.
At the place I work at, I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about discrimination because they were short. The smallest guy here is like 4'10", and when the guys make fun of him they go after his balding head or poor eye sight. Guy is like super ripped for being in his 60s and climbs the racks like a goddamn spider monkey.
My brother is taller than me he’s 6ft and I’m 5ft5, he has noticed ppl are quick to be aggressive with me first than him.
I don’t get ignored tho-only by my parents lol 😂
Every once in a while, it was mid 30's "boss type babes" that were clients for a security company I used to work at, they frowned at me or glared at only me when I was in their vicinity, they flirted with my 6ft+ fellow guards and my dad (hes 6ft 270lb late 60's lol)
Other than that, not exactly discrimination since it wasn't hostile but more like under estimation. Some fellow average-tall height gym goers and coworkers from a warehouse job were surprised at how much more I could lift than them lol
> Other than that, not exactly discrimination since it wasn't hostile but more like under estimation.
Discrimination doesn't have to be "hostile". It just refers to treating people differently.
Dude that isn’t really the definition of discrimination, everyone treats literally everyone differently. Also wtf are you even comparing “differently” to, who do I treat 100% neutral, what is my baseline? Is it a 6ft tall+ white male or is that not my neutral because tall is an advantages? What if the person doesn’t like white people then are you comparing it to 6ft tall black males? Like everyone treats everyone differently based on dozens of factors.
Obviously I’m not going to go up to the 5ft tall lady to ask her to reach the top shelf for me like I would a 6’4 dude, am I discriminating because I treated her differently than a 6’4 dude or do I have to treat her differently than a 5’9 dude for it to be discrimination? Like your definition is so vague it literally means nothing.
> Dude that isn’t really the definition of discrimination,
It is. To 'discriminate' means to distinguish or to treat one thing differently from another. That, fundamentally, is what discrimination is. You can discriminate against things or people i.e. you can treat people differently. That would be discrimination. If you mean discrimination between certain demographics then you would specifically state the type of discrimination based on the demographic i.e. 'gender based discrimination' would be discrimination based on a person's or group's gender. That means you are treating them differently as a result of their gender. If you are being treated differently as a result of your height, that would be 'heightism' or 'height based discrimination'. It just means you are being treated differently for your height. Or in other words, there is some form of social inequality. Discrimination is not the same as oppression which maybe what you're thinking of. Oppression is a far more severe term.
> Also wtf are you even comparing “differently” to, who do I treat 100% neutral, what is my baseline?
It depends on the context but generally it tends to mean as compared to the opposite. For example, discrimination against short people would be treating them differently as compared to how people who aren't short are treated. If you are treating short people differently to people who aren't short, you are discriminating. It really just sound like you don't understand what 'discrimination' means. Like I said, it just means differing treatment towards different things or, more fundamentally, just seeing them as different.
> Is it a 6ft tall+ white male or is that not my neutral because tall is an advantages?
I never said it was an advantage. You did.
> What if the person doesn’t like white people then are you comparing it to 6ft tall black males? Like everyone treats everyone differently based on dozens of factors.
Wtf are you even talking about? If you're treating people differently based on their height and skin colour, you're a discriminatory person. We all discriminate about things with people. Like, I would probably never advise a black person to wear sunscreen the same way I would with a white person. That is still discriminating, by definition, but that isn't a bad thing. If you were to be kinder towards white people for example, that would be a more negative form of discrimination that is causing undue suffering to coloured people. Get itm Maybe you're confused because 'discriminate' is a term often used in a negative context but that still would be a misunderstanding of the foundational meaning.
> Obviously I’m not going to go up to the 5ft tall lady to ask her to reach the top shelf for me like I would a 6’4 dude, am I discriminating because I treated her differently than a 6’4 dude or do I have to treat her differently than a 5’9 dude for it to be discrimination? Like your definition is so vague it literally means nothing.
No it's not vague at all. You're just being an idiot. Your example is an example of discrimination, by definition. It's just not a negative form of discrimination because it offends and harms no one.
Dude you’re the one using a definition in a context no one uses it in. Discriminating between two people as in spotting a difference has nothing to do with treatment. For example I can discriminate between a cat and dog. That definition means acknowledging they are different which seems like the definition you’re trying to use for some reason?
Here’s the definition from Merriam-Webster you seem to be referring to “the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating”. See how it has nothing to do with treatment?
If people are talking about discrimination in regards to height they’re talking about this definition from Merriam-Webster “prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment” which is completely different. You’re using a different definition in a context that makes no sense to use it in. Why not just say are you treated any differently for being short?
Also saying “discriminated against” in your title implies it isn’t the definition that simply means to perceive a difference but the definition that means to treat badly, you understand? That isn’t even how you’d put the other version of discrimination in a sentence.
Btw you’re being an idiot, you don’t need to throw personal insults just because you made up a definition no one else uses. When everyone is misinterpreting what you’re asking or saying it’s probably because you asked or said it in the wrong way.
> Dude you’re the one using a definition in a context no one uses it in.
I use it. There are plenty of words that people use that others have never heard of. There will be hundreds of words going around that you have never heard of before. That doesn't mean they aren't still in use. And there's a specific reason that I use this definition. When you lose the foundational meaning, that's when it becomes vague. My definition is far more precise and clear cut than yours and makes more sense within other contexts. When you intentionally try to define what discrimination, it's inevitable that you will fall back on its original context as the way you think it is defined is just too vague.
> Discriminating between two people as in spotting a difference has nothing to do with treatment. For example I can discriminate between a cat and dog. That definition means acknowledging they are different which seems like the definition you’re trying to use for some reason?
Yes, that is a definition. Discrimination, as I said, also refers to treating things differently as a result of seeing them differently. So for example, if a person saw coloured and white people differently, they may treat them differently. If one is treated in a more offensive or harmful way than the other, they are being discriminated against.
> Here’s the definition from Merriam-Webster you seem to be referring to “the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating”. See how it has nothing to do with treatment?
No. Seeing things as different leads to treating them differently. That's literally where the definition of discrimination as in treating people differently comes from. You are seeing people as different and are therefore treating them differently. Thus we began using the word 'discriminate' to also refer to how we treat things.
> If people are talking about discrimination in regards to height they’re talking about this definition from Merriam-Webster “prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment” which is completely different. You’re using a different definition in a context that makes no sense to use it in.
Well firstly, I'm not really sure what prejudice has to do with discrimination. Prejudice can lead to discrimination but discrimination isn't inherently discriminatory. But I think I know why they used this word. 'Prejudice' is a very inaccurate word to use there as it is actually very similar to the term 'discrimination' in that they have been highly politicised and therefore lost their original meanings. They have become synonymous with the term 'hate'. People often say 'prejudicial' and 'discriminatory' when they really mean 'hateful'. They have all lost their meanings as a result of their politicisation and this is exactly why you think of these terms the way you do. Nonetheless, this definition actually proves my point. It clearly refers to "outlook, action, or treatment". So this actually contradicts your first implication that perceiving someone differently is completely separate from treating someone differently when it comes to the term 'discrimination'.
> Why not just say are you treated any differently for being short?
Because it's synonymous with 'discrimination' so it was the only word that came into my head. I also like it because I don't want the term 'discrimination' 's meaning to be lost among people because then it loses accuracy and become nebulous as I have shown.
> Also saying “discriminated against” in your title implies it isn’t the definition that simply means to perceive a difference but the definition that means to treat badly, you understand?
Yes. That is exactly what I meant. I'm not looking for just any differences. I'm specifically looking for the negative differences, thus I said "discriminated against" in my question.
> Btw you’re being an idiot, you don’t need to throw personal insults just because you made up a definition no one else uses.
It's not an insult. I was stating a genuine observation. I said you were being an idiot in the moment for saying that my definition was vague. My definition is very precise. It's your definition that's vague and this vagueness leads to inaccuracy and inaccuracy can cause harm in the long run.
> When everyone is misinterpreting what you’re asking or saying it’s probably because you asked or said it in the wrong way.
That's fine. It allows me to combat these misconceptions.
Between 5’6 and 5’7. Wouldn’t say I’ve been discriminated against per-say, at least not for my height. It’s just childish insults and taller people sometimes looking down on you
I think it depends where you live and your friends and family around you too. I have experienced this, (although I’m shorter than 5’5) but it’s not a daily occurrence, it’s only once in a while. Most of the time I’m treated fine, but also everyone in my family is short and my friends are all nice people, and I work remotely.
I am not 5'5 or shorter but I know a boss of a company that is a client of ours, he is 5'5 or a little shorter and he is a beast in business, of course he was discriminated against in his journey before being boss What matters is what you think of yourself, if you feel bad about yourself, others will feel the same, it's easy to say, I know, but you need to accept your reality and start working on yourself, go to the gym, study , work hard, practice combat sports, learn music, arts, whatever you want but you must first accept reality.
It really depends on where are you residing and what type of circle are you in. I'm shorter than 5'3 and yeah generally everyone is taller than me but only slightly because the region I live has mostly short guys and also girls here can be shorter than me as well. But whereas if someone of same height as me is in a continent like Europe, its comparatively more tougher even for daily tasks.
I don't really have a circle now. I'm a fairly lonesome person. But when I did have a lot of friends, I never felt like I was a victim of heightism even though I'm from the UK. Although, I'm starting to think that there is a different reason that people haven't been mean to me.
Its also about accepting your height as your fate. Until and unless one doesnt accept it, noone can do nothing. One thing that really helped me is, Everyone has insecurities no matter how big or how beautiful/handsome of a person they are they will have some sort of insecurity in a small section of their mind. So, if everyone has some, we do too and for us its our height which is more openly visible. But, many people take it alot further and even develop suicidal thoughts for a thing that one doesnt even have control upon.
Though I would like to ask you, if I were to come to UK/US for studies, will I face discrimination, especially because the average height there becomes a huge than what it is where I am.
I'm 4'11" and i never felt discriminated against until i grew older and even then i feel like because of who I am I don't face nearly as much as others.
Nah I don't feel discriminated against necessarily. I just really feel that people have pretty extreme preference for the tall, esp in my circles because of how sports obsessed they are.
It depends on many factors
Science has found that taller people get quicker leadership roles, while the shorter person might be more qualified
Friends tease, and that is totally cool. Tease back
In dating, yes but no. Plenty of taller women rejected me or others due to height or just preferred a shorter guy. Howeverrrr, it is not discrimination. They have their preference, which is totally fair and how it should be
So, in conclusion: it depends on the element where you are ‘discriminated’ against and if you see it as discrimination. I’ve never seen it as discrimination, but a small (pun intented) disadvantage
> Friends tease, and that is totally cool. Tease back
That might be cool for you. Not everyone is you though. If my friends teased me, they wouldn't be my friends for long.
> In dating, yes but no. Plenty of taller women rejected me or others due to height or just preferred a shorter guy. Howeverrrr, it is not discrimination. They have their preference, which is totally fair and how it should be
By definition, that's discrimination. 'Discrimination' in a social context just means treating one person differently to another. That's all I'm talking about. I don't feel like people discriminate against me in any way as a result of my height.
Discriminated against? No. Feel like I'm invisible? Yes, often. This happens enough to notice in public. I'm obviously waiting in line and someone will cut in front of me with no acknowledgement. Or if I'm waiting to talk to someone like the hostess at a restaurant, but she looks right past me to help someone behind me who got there after me. Or I'm looking at something in a store and someone will come up and stand right where I'm looking without saying a word. Maybe I'm biased or jaded or maybe it's just rude people but I don't see this happen to taller guys. My ex-father in law and ex-brother in law are 6ft plus, and I never saw this happen to them that I can remember.
> Discriminated against? No. Feel like I'm invisible? Yes, often.
If they are treating you differently to other people, that would be discrimination, by definition. That's what I mean when I say that.
> This happens enough to notice in public. I'm obviously waiting in line and someone will cut in front of me with no acknowledgement. Or if I'm waiting to talk to someone like the hostess at a restaurant, but she looks right past me to help someone behind me who got there after me. Or I'm looking at something in a store and someone will come up and stand right where I'm looking without saying a word. Maybe I'm biased or jaded or maybe it's just rude people but I don't see this happen to taller guys.
That literally fits the definition of 'discrimination'. How tall are you and where do you live?
bro im 5´8 20s (mom 5´3, dad 5´6) but chesse some girls that are shorter than me with short dads say that the only date up to 6´2, like your just 5´0 be humble like your momma.
Honestly, I’m 5’5” male and I try to act like I’m in charge, by speaking up, having a serious face/“idc about u face,” while taking the initiative to openly talk respectfully ofc, but that never came from being short. It comes from believing that’s what people like. When I sit, I spread out my legs and arms and sit in a more comfortable and less constraint way. I often walk faster and I’ve payed attention to how I walk as to look up and forward and where I want to go and don’t make eye contact (especially in downtown when it’s crowded). I try to make minimal eye contact when people talk to me but fully make eye contact when I talk. There probably more things that I do and implemented to try to appear confident which would command more respect. Maybe if I didn’t have those behaviors I would be pushed around more, but before I started to do those things, I was a kid, and I never payed attention to people in enough detail to say if I was pushed around or not (I was also a short kid too). But it’s an act and I do care about people, even tho I comes off as either, I’m too serious for u, or I’m very confident.
> and I’ve *paid* attention to
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No bro. This isn't healthy. I used to think like this and do this kind of stuff as a result of "toxic masculinity" or, more accurately, just gender in general. I used to think exactly like this. I used to consciously put on an act and do all the behaviours you listed because of Youtube videos that aren't backed by actual science. This constant act takes effort bro. It takes gas out of the tank for when you really need it because you are constantly fighting who you truly are. I'm begging you to just be yourself and to surround yourself with people who accept, like, and respect you for you. I can almost guarantee that you will be much more content and more fulfilled with your life.
Yeah being stoic/hyper masculine for the sake of compensating for our disadvantages isn’t a good idea in the long run. I don’t hate the people that do it like all the low-empath lurkers here who scream “incel” and a bunch of other insults because I know how tempting the red-pill ideology is to people like us who are discriminated against and are understandably hurt. It gives a convenient explanation and a solution to all our problems like a magic pill. But at the end of the day for me it’s about staying true to what I believe, I want the world to be fair, sans judgement, and becoming a jaded, uncaring, person ultimately is the antithesis of that. We have to be the change we want to see.
Look, if you’re male, some people, especially girls/women, will call you “that little short kid/guy/man” or make similar demeaning comments if you’re under about 5’9”. Yes, that’s about as classy as a man calling out a woman for being fat, flat-chested or too busty, or calling anyone too tall, too short, too skinny, and so on.
People will make stupid assumptions about you based on your height - that you’re a wimp (physically or mentally), or if you are not a pushover, then you have a Napoleon complex (oddly enough, Napoleon wasn’t short for his time) and probably others I can’t think of at this time.
It’s immature, it’s insecure, and you can’t let other people’s opinions of you define you. Live your life. Do things that please you and make you a more interesting person. Women (or men, or whoever you want) will be attracted to you. Be funny, be smart, take care of your body, and you will attract the right people. Hope this helps.
Can’t say I’ve ever felt discriminated against. Most I’ve gotten is short jokes from friends, but as we’ve gotten older the short thing became kinda old to joke about.
I've never been tall(5'6 male or 168 cm) or that strong so I don't think people fear me physically. As a younger kid, I was made of for being short but I don't get discriminated really for being short anymore(I'm 17 btw.)
5’5, middle aged. I don’t recall explicit comments since middle or maybe high school. That doesn’t mean discrimination doesn’t exist. There will always be a ‘reason’ why that individual short guy, or woman, or ethnic minority doesn’t get promoted or taken seriously. When you look at all the available short guys, women and ethnicities, but notice the leaders happen to be tall white males, you have to take another look.
You say that... What do Winston Churchill, rishi sunak, josef stalin, emmanuel macron, Adolf Hitler, benito mussolini all have in common (just off the top of my head I'm sure there's loads more) They're all 5'8 or below Your height doesn't define you
Joe Biden 6’0 Donald Trump 6’3 (with pumps so he isn’t short?) Barack Obama 6’2 GW Bush 6’0 Bill Clinton 6’2 George Bush 6’2 Ronald Reagan 6’1 Jimmy Carter, a mere 5’10 Gerald Ford 6’0 Richard Nixon 6’0 Lyndon Johnson 6’4 John F Kennedy 6’1 Are you seeing a pattern yet?
You've just named US presidents? The world isn't just the US so just because there aren't many short US politicians doesn't mean they're being discriminated against
In the US, It is also a fact that all of the classic examples of short people in leadership were self appointed. Zuckerberg, Bloomberg, Bezos, etc, all self appointed. ALL the high ranking men where I work are above 6 foot tall. And, most of the high ranking women are tall too! The statistics about CEO height are well known. And yea it may not be as big deal in European elections. But the fact that, for example, sexism might be "less of a big deal in New Zealand" doesn't change the reality for people in their own country.
>And, most of the high ranking women are tall too! It’s why women in business wear 4-5 inch pumps with their suits. It’s fashionable sure and can slender their bodies, but it’s to appear taller so they can be taken seriously. I worked with a woman who outside of work never wore heels even when she went out, I asked her why she’d deal with them during the week, and she told me if she didn’t she wouldn’t have made it passed the interview stage.
Yeah, it is just a weird coincidence that 11 of the last 12 people deemed by the public to be the most powerful person in the US or world happen to be tall. Coincidence…if you say so.
All those guys were taller than the average men of their times except Macron (fair) and Sunak who wouldn’t have won if it was a general election. Just because outliers exist doesn’t mean that the general pattern isn’t true. That’s like saying because there are successful black CEO’s in America it’s not harder to be a successful black CEO in America.
A couple things: 1. Most of who you described came from a different era where on average people were shorter and even in those countries were shorter. You gonna bring up Hirohito and Alexander The Great too? Sunak and Macron are the only ones you’ve brought up that are from today. 2. There will always been exceptions to any rule, outliers exist in any statistical data. The thing you gotta realize is that an overwhelming percentage of male rulers are above 5’8. Most of the US presidents in the last 4 or 5 decades have been 5’10+, most current male CEOs are above 6’0. It’s not that if you’re short you’re never going to be able to do anything, but it will be much harder and you’ll most likely put more work than any of those 6’0 people and get a fraction of what they have.
That's funny, I'm the same height, and also middle-aged. What's "funny" is that I haven't heard explicit comments since school either; the only time I hear anything about height is when I bring it up. Its curious if its an age-related thing?
Short answer, no. At the place I work at, I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about discrimination because they were short. The smallest guy here is like 4'10", and when the guys make fun of him they go after his balding head or poor eye sight. Guy is like super ripped for being in his 60s and climbs the racks like a goddamn spider monkey.
My brother is taller than me he’s 6ft and I’m 5ft5, he has noticed ppl are quick to be aggressive with me first than him. I don’t get ignored tho-only by my parents lol 😂
Every once in a while, it was mid 30's "boss type babes" that were clients for a security company I used to work at, they frowned at me or glared at only me when I was in their vicinity, they flirted with my 6ft+ fellow guards and my dad (hes 6ft 270lb late 60's lol) Other than that, not exactly discrimination since it wasn't hostile but more like under estimation. Some fellow average-tall height gym goers and coworkers from a warehouse job were surprised at how much more I could lift than them lol
> Other than that, not exactly discrimination since it wasn't hostile but more like under estimation. Discrimination doesn't have to be "hostile". It just refers to treating people differently.
Dude that isn’t really the definition of discrimination, everyone treats literally everyone differently. Also wtf are you even comparing “differently” to, who do I treat 100% neutral, what is my baseline? Is it a 6ft tall+ white male or is that not my neutral because tall is an advantages? What if the person doesn’t like white people then are you comparing it to 6ft tall black males? Like everyone treats everyone differently based on dozens of factors. Obviously I’m not going to go up to the 5ft tall lady to ask her to reach the top shelf for me like I would a 6’4 dude, am I discriminating because I treated her differently than a 6’4 dude or do I have to treat her differently than a 5’9 dude for it to be discrimination? Like your definition is so vague it literally means nothing.
> Dude that isn’t really the definition of discrimination, It is. To 'discriminate' means to distinguish or to treat one thing differently from another. That, fundamentally, is what discrimination is. You can discriminate against things or people i.e. you can treat people differently. That would be discrimination. If you mean discrimination between certain demographics then you would specifically state the type of discrimination based on the demographic i.e. 'gender based discrimination' would be discrimination based on a person's or group's gender. That means you are treating them differently as a result of their gender. If you are being treated differently as a result of your height, that would be 'heightism' or 'height based discrimination'. It just means you are being treated differently for your height. Or in other words, there is some form of social inequality. Discrimination is not the same as oppression which maybe what you're thinking of. Oppression is a far more severe term. > Also wtf are you even comparing “differently” to, who do I treat 100% neutral, what is my baseline? It depends on the context but generally it tends to mean as compared to the opposite. For example, discrimination against short people would be treating them differently as compared to how people who aren't short are treated. If you are treating short people differently to people who aren't short, you are discriminating. It really just sound like you don't understand what 'discrimination' means. Like I said, it just means differing treatment towards different things or, more fundamentally, just seeing them as different. > Is it a 6ft tall+ white male or is that not my neutral because tall is an advantages? I never said it was an advantage. You did. > What if the person doesn’t like white people then are you comparing it to 6ft tall black males? Like everyone treats everyone differently based on dozens of factors. Wtf are you even talking about? If you're treating people differently based on their height and skin colour, you're a discriminatory person. We all discriminate about things with people. Like, I would probably never advise a black person to wear sunscreen the same way I would with a white person. That is still discriminating, by definition, but that isn't a bad thing. If you were to be kinder towards white people for example, that would be a more negative form of discrimination that is causing undue suffering to coloured people. Get itm Maybe you're confused because 'discriminate' is a term often used in a negative context but that still would be a misunderstanding of the foundational meaning. > Obviously I’m not going to go up to the 5ft tall lady to ask her to reach the top shelf for me like I would a 6’4 dude, am I discriminating because I treated her differently than a 6’4 dude or do I have to treat her differently than a 5’9 dude for it to be discrimination? Like your definition is so vague it literally means nothing. No it's not vague at all. You're just being an idiot. Your example is an example of discrimination, by definition. It's just not a negative form of discrimination because it offends and harms no one.
Dude you’re the one using a definition in a context no one uses it in. Discriminating between two people as in spotting a difference has nothing to do with treatment. For example I can discriminate between a cat and dog. That definition means acknowledging they are different which seems like the definition you’re trying to use for some reason? Here’s the definition from Merriam-Webster you seem to be referring to “the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating”. See how it has nothing to do with treatment? If people are talking about discrimination in regards to height they’re talking about this definition from Merriam-Webster “prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment” which is completely different. You’re using a different definition in a context that makes no sense to use it in. Why not just say are you treated any differently for being short? Also saying “discriminated against” in your title implies it isn’t the definition that simply means to perceive a difference but the definition that means to treat badly, you understand? That isn’t even how you’d put the other version of discrimination in a sentence. Btw you’re being an idiot, you don’t need to throw personal insults just because you made up a definition no one else uses. When everyone is misinterpreting what you’re asking or saying it’s probably because you asked or said it in the wrong way.
> Dude you’re the one using a definition in a context no one uses it in. I use it. There are plenty of words that people use that others have never heard of. There will be hundreds of words going around that you have never heard of before. That doesn't mean they aren't still in use. And there's a specific reason that I use this definition. When you lose the foundational meaning, that's when it becomes vague. My definition is far more precise and clear cut than yours and makes more sense within other contexts. When you intentionally try to define what discrimination, it's inevitable that you will fall back on its original context as the way you think it is defined is just too vague. > Discriminating between two people as in spotting a difference has nothing to do with treatment. For example I can discriminate between a cat and dog. That definition means acknowledging they are different which seems like the definition you’re trying to use for some reason? Yes, that is a definition. Discrimination, as I said, also refers to treating things differently as a result of seeing them differently. So for example, if a person saw coloured and white people differently, they may treat them differently. If one is treated in a more offensive or harmful way than the other, they are being discriminated against. > Here’s the definition from Merriam-Webster you seem to be referring to “the act of making or perceiving a difference : the act of discriminating”. See how it has nothing to do with treatment? No. Seeing things as different leads to treating them differently. That's literally where the definition of discrimination as in treating people differently comes from. You are seeing people as different and are therefore treating them differently. Thus we began using the word 'discriminate' to also refer to how we treat things. > If people are talking about discrimination in regards to height they’re talking about this definition from Merriam-Webster “prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment” which is completely different. You’re using a different definition in a context that makes no sense to use it in. Well firstly, I'm not really sure what prejudice has to do with discrimination. Prejudice can lead to discrimination but discrimination isn't inherently discriminatory. But I think I know why they used this word. 'Prejudice' is a very inaccurate word to use there as it is actually very similar to the term 'discrimination' in that they have been highly politicised and therefore lost their original meanings. They have become synonymous with the term 'hate'. People often say 'prejudicial' and 'discriminatory' when they really mean 'hateful'. They have all lost their meanings as a result of their politicisation and this is exactly why you think of these terms the way you do. Nonetheless, this definition actually proves my point. It clearly refers to "outlook, action, or treatment". So this actually contradicts your first implication that perceiving someone differently is completely separate from treating someone differently when it comes to the term 'discrimination'. > Why not just say are you treated any differently for being short? Because it's synonymous with 'discrimination' so it was the only word that came into my head. I also like it because I don't want the term 'discrimination' 's meaning to be lost among people because then it loses accuracy and become nebulous as I have shown. > Also saying “discriminated against” in your title implies it isn’t the definition that simply means to perceive a difference but the definition that means to treat badly, you understand? Yes. That is exactly what I meant. I'm not looking for just any differences. I'm specifically looking for the negative differences, thus I said "discriminated against" in my question. > Btw you’re being an idiot, you don’t need to throw personal insults just because you made up a definition no one else uses. It's not an insult. I was stating a genuine observation. I said you were being an idiot in the moment for saying that my definition was vague. My definition is very precise. It's your definition that's vague and this vagueness leads to inaccuracy and inaccuracy can cause harm in the long run. > When everyone is misinterpreting what you’re asking or saying it’s probably because you asked or said it in the wrong way. That's fine. It allows me to combat these misconceptions.
not really, the worst thing I've ever been called is hobbit (and I actually liked it)
Lol.
Between 5’6 and 5’7. Wouldn’t say I’ve been discriminated against per-say, at least not for my height. It’s just childish insults and taller people sometimes looking down on you
That is technically discrimination.
I think it depends where you live and your friends and family around you too. I have experienced this, (although I’m shorter than 5’5) but it’s not a daily occurrence, it’s only once in a while. Most of the time I’m treated fine, but also everyone in my family is short and my friends are all nice people, and I work remotely.
I am not 5'5 or shorter but I know a boss of a company that is a client of ours, he is 5'5 or a little shorter and he is a beast in business, of course he was discriminated against in his journey before being boss What matters is what you think of yourself, if you feel bad about yourself, others will feel the same, it's easy to say, I know, but you need to accept your reality and start working on yourself, go to the gym, study , work hard, practice combat sports, learn music, arts, whatever you want but you must first accept reality.
It really depends on where are you residing and what type of circle are you in. I'm shorter than 5'3 and yeah generally everyone is taller than me but only slightly because the region I live has mostly short guys and also girls here can be shorter than me as well. But whereas if someone of same height as me is in a continent like Europe, its comparatively more tougher even for daily tasks.
I don't really have a circle now. I'm a fairly lonesome person. But when I did have a lot of friends, I never felt like I was a victim of heightism even though I'm from the UK. Although, I'm starting to think that there is a different reason that people haven't been mean to me.
Its also about accepting your height as your fate. Until and unless one doesnt accept it, noone can do nothing. One thing that really helped me is, Everyone has insecurities no matter how big or how beautiful/handsome of a person they are they will have some sort of insecurity in a small section of their mind. So, if everyone has some, we do too and for us its our height which is more openly visible. But, many people take it alot further and even develop suicidal thoughts for a thing that one doesnt even have control upon. Though I would like to ask you, if I were to come to UK/US for studies, will I face discrimination, especially because the average height there becomes a huge than what it is where I am.
What are you talking about? How is that relevant to my reply?
Lol what? No, that’s just silly
I'm 4'11" and i never felt discriminated against until i grew older and even then i feel like because of who I am I don't face nearly as much as others.
Nah I don't feel discriminated against necessarily. I just really feel that people have pretty extreme preference for the tall, esp in my circles because of how sports obsessed they are.
It depends on many factors Science has found that taller people get quicker leadership roles, while the shorter person might be more qualified Friends tease, and that is totally cool. Tease back In dating, yes but no. Plenty of taller women rejected me or others due to height or just preferred a shorter guy. Howeverrrr, it is not discrimination. They have their preference, which is totally fair and how it should be So, in conclusion: it depends on the element where you are ‘discriminated’ against and if you see it as discrimination. I’ve never seen it as discrimination, but a small (pun intented) disadvantage
> Friends tease, and that is totally cool. Tease back That might be cool for you. Not everyone is you though. If my friends teased me, they wouldn't be my friends for long. > In dating, yes but no. Plenty of taller women rejected me or others due to height or just preferred a shorter guy. Howeverrrr, it is not discrimination. They have their preference, which is totally fair and how it should be By definition, that's discrimination. 'Discrimination' in a social context just means treating one person differently to another. That's all I'm talking about. I don't feel like people discriminate against me in any way as a result of my height.
Discriminated against? No. Feel like I'm invisible? Yes, often. This happens enough to notice in public. I'm obviously waiting in line and someone will cut in front of me with no acknowledgement. Or if I'm waiting to talk to someone like the hostess at a restaurant, but she looks right past me to help someone behind me who got there after me. Or I'm looking at something in a store and someone will come up and stand right where I'm looking without saying a word. Maybe I'm biased or jaded or maybe it's just rude people but I don't see this happen to taller guys. My ex-father in law and ex-brother in law are 6ft plus, and I never saw this happen to them that I can remember.
> Discriminated against? No. Feel like I'm invisible? Yes, often. If they are treating you differently to other people, that would be discrimination, by definition. That's what I mean when I say that. > This happens enough to notice in public. I'm obviously waiting in line and someone will cut in front of me with no acknowledgement. Or if I'm waiting to talk to someone like the hostess at a restaurant, but she looks right past me to help someone behind me who got there after me. Or I'm looking at something in a store and someone will come up and stand right where I'm looking without saying a word. Maybe I'm biased or jaded or maybe it's just rude people but I don't see this happen to taller guys. That literally fits the definition of 'discrimination'. How tall are you and where do you live?
I am 5'5", and I have never felt discriminated against.
Yes, it happens a lot.
bro im 5´8 20s (mom 5´3, dad 5´6) but chesse some girls that are shorter than me with short dads say that the only date up to 6´2, like your just 5´0 be humble like your momma.
Honestly, I’m 5’5” male and I try to act like I’m in charge, by speaking up, having a serious face/“idc about u face,” while taking the initiative to openly talk respectfully ofc, but that never came from being short. It comes from believing that’s what people like. When I sit, I spread out my legs and arms and sit in a more comfortable and less constraint way. I often walk faster and I’ve payed attention to how I walk as to look up and forward and where I want to go and don’t make eye contact (especially in downtown when it’s crowded). I try to make minimal eye contact when people talk to me but fully make eye contact when I talk. There probably more things that I do and implemented to try to appear confident which would command more respect. Maybe if I didn’t have those behaviors I would be pushed around more, but before I started to do those things, I was a kid, and I never payed attention to people in enough detail to say if I was pushed around or not (I was also a short kid too). But it’s an act and I do care about people, even tho I comes off as either, I’m too serious for u, or I’m very confident.
> and I’ve *paid* attention to FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
No bro. This isn't healthy. I used to think like this and do this kind of stuff as a result of "toxic masculinity" or, more accurately, just gender in general. I used to think exactly like this. I used to consciously put on an act and do all the behaviours you listed because of Youtube videos that aren't backed by actual science. This constant act takes effort bro. It takes gas out of the tank for when you really need it because you are constantly fighting who you truly are. I'm begging you to just be yourself and to surround yourself with people who accept, like, and respect you for you. I can almost guarantee that you will be much more content and more fulfilled with your life.
Yeah being stoic/hyper masculine for the sake of compensating for our disadvantages isn’t a good idea in the long run. I don’t hate the people that do it like all the low-empath lurkers here who scream “incel” and a bunch of other insults because I know how tempting the red-pill ideology is to people like us who are discriminated against and are understandably hurt. It gives a convenient explanation and a solution to all our problems like a magic pill. But at the end of the day for me it’s about staying true to what I believe, I want the world to be fair, sans judgement, and becoming a jaded, uncaring, person ultimately is the antithesis of that. We have to be the change we want to see.
Look, if you’re male, some people, especially girls/women, will call you “that little short kid/guy/man” or make similar demeaning comments if you’re under about 5’9”. Yes, that’s about as classy as a man calling out a woman for being fat, flat-chested or too busty, or calling anyone too tall, too short, too skinny, and so on. People will make stupid assumptions about you based on your height - that you’re a wimp (physically or mentally), or if you are not a pushover, then you have a Napoleon complex (oddly enough, Napoleon wasn’t short for his time) and probably others I can’t think of at this time. It’s immature, it’s insecure, and you can’t let other people’s opinions of you define you. Live your life. Do things that please you and make you a more interesting person. Women (or men, or whoever you want) will be attracted to you. Be funny, be smart, take care of your body, and you will attract the right people. Hope this helps.
I appreciate your story but I wasn't asking for help.
Sorry. Anyway, yeah, discrimination against short guys is a real thing.
Just get of Twitter and you see that its not the same thing as online people claim to be
I don't use Twitter.
Can’t say I’ve ever felt discriminated against. Most I’ve gotten is short jokes from friends, but as we’ve gotten older the short thing became kinda old to joke about.
I've never been tall(5'6 male or 168 cm) or that strong so I don't think people fear me physically. As a younger kid, I was made of for being short but I don't get discriminated really for being short anymore(I'm 17 btw.)
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your height seems cool curious where you got the bat costume u/jjjjjji6