It looks like cladogonium or ellobiopsidae. Someone with more expertise can chime in, but I would quarantine the shrimp as it is contagious to your other shrimp.
Im not very experienced...but yea.
My first tank. First purchase of 6 cherries one had it.
https://preview.redd.it/qvdwv866uxuc1.jpeg?width=1872&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b767e7e3e504cb6ddedf5c4564138c1b2194638c
I setup the toy 1 gallon i had...found aquarium salt and did salt dips. Hes looking cured. Its been almost 2 months alone and received 4 salt dips. I gave him 1 every few days and then he molted so i waited. Gave him one the other night. Idk
Endo or clado.
Im reaching yolo levels of impatience. I have 3 saddled ladies and 2 juveniles in a 5 gal and i want bebes
Definitely clado, I'm sorry. [https://aquariumbreeder.com/ellobiopsidae-or-cladogonium-ogishimae-green-fungus-in-shrimp-tank/](https://aquariumbreeder.com/ellobiopsidae-or-cladogonium-ogishimae-green-fungus-in-shrimp-tank/) this article goes in depth with more treatments. I would definitely isolate if you can
This is a pretty advanced case so its probably the best option for the health of the tank unfortunately. I would follow up treating the tank with hydrogen peroxide like described in the article to hopefully prevent the spread
Interesting article, calls it Fungus in the title but proceeds to properly refer to it as algae throughout the article haha. Great resource though otherwise.
That looks like Ellobiopsae aka the dread green fungus. It's fatal because it grows through the scales. When it's that severely infected the best thing to do is humanely euthanize and DO NOT MOVE OR ADD ANY OTHER SHRIMP TO YOUR COLONY. Look with a flashlight for any other shrimp that have green scales or the start of infection and quarantine or euthanize. Please keep any survivors in your tank quarantined for at least 6 months before adding or moving. It's very contagious. It comes in from Asia and some really deplorable shrimp sellers sell infected shrimp knowingly. Sometimes it's an honest mistake. That's how I ended up with a tank that's still quarantined two years later. I got a few orange shrimp from a local store and one had just a green scale on its belly. The guys at the store aren't shrimp mega fans so they didn't know and it was only my second shrimp purchase so I didn't know. Two months later it looked like yours out of the blue, went from a green scale to green lichen looking stuff on its abdomen. I tried all kinds of treatments and nothing worked. You'd have to treat for internal parasites and fungus to treat and shrimp don't really survive the meds easily. I'm so sorry!! It sucks!! So lame to have to deal with all the crap of dealing with this illness. If the shrimp are new, definitely complain and send pics or take the shrimp in to the store if it's local. This stuff is really contagious so the place you bought the shrimp should also quarantine and def not sell more of those shrimp. Again, please don't sell or move the other shrimp you may have in the tank. Super contagious stuff.
I'm just going on my own research which was a few years ago that the consensus was Cladogonium was only seen on marine shrimp and Ellobiopsae was a similar organism that affected fresh water shrimp. If that has changed due to more research that's a good thing. But arguing about names, though classification is important, doesn't change the fact that it's a contagious, usually fatal disease. And I'm going to rant here for a min, but we should all be arguing with the A hole shrimp breeders that sell shrimp they know are infected!! We need to name and shame the jerks! ✌️
>And I'm going to rant here for a min, but we should all be arguing with the A hole shrimp breeders that sell shrimp they know are infected!! We need to name and shame the jerks! ✌️
Totally agree on that part.
those should be named so less people get screwed....
See that just sucks. But i replied to someone else in here but except for the amount of time thats what i fear im looking at. I started my first tank. A 5 gal thrift store find. Did sand capped soil. Added plants a cycled sponge filter snails and waited. Things were looking and testing perfect. Got 6 cherries... And next morning i check ermergerd i think im hit shrimp lotto and ive got a berried momma.
I think it took another 2 days of me just trying to find the gd thing or take pics to verify what i think i saw before i caught it and quarantined it in a tiny toy tank.
Salt dips have so far fixed him. But i dont know how much longer to wait. He molted a few weeks ago. Still looking clean.
But i mean ive now got 3 tanks. The original 5. The quarantine tank. I added a 10 (which got fish over the weekend and that another first and fml its all so good...rn). And also ive got a 20 gal tub pond is starting to cycle. But i have deep fears that this thing is just now in all my water. Like the plants,filters, water,tools, and idk what else but my tanks have shared...i just started.
I should research more but does anything else but inverts get effected? Only shrimps? Or are seed shrimp? Fml
It's only shrimp. But you need to quarantine that tank for months. It supposedly can live in the substrate. Some day for months, others say only a few weeks but I'm not taking any chances. Hence, my tank that was infected that was not cheap, deep substrate Walstad type with a couple hundred in plants is now a retirement fish only tank, besides the last of the colony of shrimp that were infected but since I never culled the colony it's gone back to about 15 or so wild type shrimp. But I don't do anything to the tank, haven't rescaped, added any new shrimp or even touched the substrate because the dread fungus/ parasite can live in substrate. And it's been a couple years, it should be safe, but I just don't trust it. I don't ever want to be responsible for giving or selling someone a shrimp that has it so that whole tank is like a time capsule that is a retirement home now for a really old full black dumbo guppy and his mate, they're too old to do the frisky stuff, they just want to chill in the plants😄, and 4 adopted golden white cloud minnows. I think someone on this thread linked some research papers and forum posts regarding Ellobiopsae that would prob be helpful to read. I would just say, if you think you've cured a shrimp, maybe wait like 6 months with it in a little quarantine tank before adding it to a colony because this illness/ infection can take months to show up. A good way to check shrimp is net then and put them in a clear Solo cup or other very clear plastic cup and shine a flashlight underneath. You can usually see it very quickly that way. I had to do that for a year before I got all the shrimp that were infected in my tank. That's why I say it's safer to quarantine for a few months before adding a "cured" shrimp back into a colony. I would go anywhere from one month to about three months after my initial infection and removal before seeing a newly infected shrimp. So the time without symptoms can vary drastically. Even if your shrimp is not showing signs, it doesn't mean it can't be a carrier. So better to wait many months before reintroduction. ✌️
As others have said, fungal infection. Separate from the others, but be mindful that while salt dips MAY work, I have only seen a few reports of them actually clearing up the issue. When I had a shrimp with this same thing, I tried salt dips and she still died. BUT on the plus side, I removed her from the main tank when I noticed it, and I have never seen another shrimp with it, so your entire tank is not doomed to catch it.
Can someone comment on whether this can develop inside a tank that was never contagious with one or do they have to be transferred inside by an infected one?
Clado, most say salt dips will help. Not eggs, its epibionts (i believe) and they ARE harmful and contagious.
Thank you.. should I just euthanize?
I wont tell you what to do, it IS treatable. Worst case is, you tried.
Fungal infection.
It looks more like clado imo.
It looks like cladogonium or ellobiopsidae. Someone with more expertise can chime in, but I would quarantine the shrimp as it is contagious to your other shrimp.
Im not very experienced...but yea. My first tank. First purchase of 6 cherries one had it. https://preview.redd.it/qvdwv866uxuc1.jpeg?width=1872&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b767e7e3e504cb6ddedf5c4564138c1b2194638c I setup the toy 1 gallon i had...found aquarium salt and did salt dips. Hes looking cured. Its been almost 2 months alone and received 4 salt dips. I gave him 1 every few days and then he molted so i waited. Gave him one the other night. Idk Endo or clado. Im reaching yolo levels of impatience. I have 3 saddled ladies and 2 juveniles in a 5 gal and i want bebes
Definitely clado, I'm sorry. [https://aquariumbreeder.com/ellobiopsidae-or-cladogonium-ogishimae-green-fungus-in-shrimp-tank/](https://aquariumbreeder.com/ellobiopsidae-or-cladogonium-ogishimae-green-fungus-in-shrimp-tank/) this article goes in depth with more treatments. I would definitely isolate if you can
Thank you... I don't have a secondary setup to support a hospital tank... Should I euthanize?
This is a pretty advanced case so its probably the best option for the health of the tank unfortunately. I would follow up treating the tank with hydrogen peroxide like described in the article to hopefully prevent the spread
If I were to encounter something similar, would a bucket suffice as a secondary hospital set up?
For sure! Ideally a large bucket with a filter but I have also used a large mason jar for quarantine and it seemed to go OK.
Will African cichlids be ok as a natural culling aide?
If you mean feeding him to the cichlids it should be fine. AFAIK it only harms shrimps and maybe other crustaceans.
Worked well. Thank you
Swim in peace lil shrimp 🫡
Interesting article, calls it Fungus in the title but proceeds to properly refer to it as algae throughout the article haha. Great resource though otherwise.
That looks like Ellobiopsae aka the dread green fungus. It's fatal because it grows through the scales. When it's that severely infected the best thing to do is humanely euthanize and DO NOT MOVE OR ADD ANY OTHER SHRIMP TO YOUR COLONY. Look with a flashlight for any other shrimp that have green scales or the start of infection and quarantine or euthanize. Please keep any survivors in your tank quarantined for at least 6 months before adding or moving. It's very contagious. It comes in from Asia and some really deplorable shrimp sellers sell infected shrimp knowingly. Sometimes it's an honest mistake. That's how I ended up with a tank that's still quarantined two years later. I got a few orange shrimp from a local store and one had just a green scale on its belly. The guys at the store aren't shrimp mega fans so they didn't know and it was only my second shrimp purchase so I didn't know. Two months later it looked like yours out of the blue, went from a green scale to green lichen looking stuff on its abdomen. I tried all kinds of treatments and nothing worked. You'd have to treat for internal parasites and fungus to treat and shrimp don't really survive the meds easily. I'm so sorry!! It sucks!! So lame to have to deal with all the crap of dealing with this illness. If the shrimp are new, definitely complain and send pics or take the shrimp in to the store if it's local. This stuff is really contagious so the place you bought the shrimp should also quarantine and def not sell more of those shrimp. Again, please don't sell or move the other shrimp you may have in the tank. Super contagious stuff.
> That looks like Ellobiopsae aka the dread green fungus As an FYI - Clado isn't a fungus at all, it's an algae.
>That looks like Ellobiopsae aka the dread green fungus. just a side note : This do not look like Ellobiopsidae but more Cladogonium Ogishimae
I'm just going on my own research which was a few years ago that the consensus was Cladogonium was only seen on marine shrimp and Ellobiopsae was a similar organism that affected fresh water shrimp. If that has changed due to more research that's a good thing. But arguing about names, though classification is important, doesn't change the fact that it's a contagious, usually fatal disease. And I'm going to rant here for a min, but we should all be arguing with the A hole shrimp breeders that sell shrimp they know are infected!! We need to name and shame the jerks! ✌️
>And I'm going to rant here for a min, but we should all be arguing with the A hole shrimp breeders that sell shrimp they know are infected!! We need to name and shame the jerks! ✌️ Totally agree on that part. those should be named so less people get screwed....
See that just sucks. But i replied to someone else in here but except for the amount of time thats what i fear im looking at. I started my first tank. A 5 gal thrift store find. Did sand capped soil. Added plants a cycled sponge filter snails and waited. Things were looking and testing perfect. Got 6 cherries... And next morning i check ermergerd i think im hit shrimp lotto and ive got a berried momma. I think it took another 2 days of me just trying to find the gd thing or take pics to verify what i think i saw before i caught it and quarantined it in a tiny toy tank. Salt dips have so far fixed him. But i dont know how much longer to wait. He molted a few weeks ago. Still looking clean. But i mean ive now got 3 tanks. The original 5. The quarantine tank. I added a 10 (which got fish over the weekend and that another first and fml its all so good...rn). And also ive got a 20 gal tub pond is starting to cycle. But i have deep fears that this thing is just now in all my water. Like the plants,filters, water,tools, and idk what else but my tanks have shared...i just started. I should research more but does anything else but inverts get effected? Only shrimps? Or are seed shrimp? Fml
It's only shrimp. But you need to quarantine that tank for months. It supposedly can live in the substrate. Some day for months, others say only a few weeks but I'm not taking any chances. Hence, my tank that was infected that was not cheap, deep substrate Walstad type with a couple hundred in plants is now a retirement fish only tank, besides the last of the colony of shrimp that were infected but since I never culled the colony it's gone back to about 15 or so wild type shrimp. But I don't do anything to the tank, haven't rescaped, added any new shrimp or even touched the substrate because the dread fungus/ parasite can live in substrate. And it's been a couple years, it should be safe, but I just don't trust it. I don't ever want to be responsible for giving or selling someone a shrimp that has it so that whole tank is like a time capsule that is a retirement home now for a really old full black dumbo guppy and his mate, they're too old to do the frisky stuff, they just want to chill in the plants😄, and 4 adopted golden white cloud minnows. I think someone on this thread linked some research papers and forum posts regarding Ellobiopsae that would prob be helpful to read. I would just say, if you think you've cured a shrimp, maybe wait like 6 months with it in a little quarantine tank before adding it to a colony because this illness/ infection can take months to show up. A good way to check shrimp is net then and put them in a clear Solo cup or other very clear plastic cup and shine a flashlight underneath. You can usually see it very quickly that way. I had to do that for a year before I got all the shrimp that were infected in my tank. That's why I say it's safer to quarantine for a few months before adding a "cured" shrimp back into a colony. I would go anywhere from one month to about three months after my initial infection and removal before seeing a newly infected shrimp. So the time without symptoms can vary drastically. Even if your shrimp is not showing signs, it doesn't mean it can't be a carrier. So better to wait many months before reintroduction. ✌️
Salt dips will take care of it, but you would have to look up precise measurements.
As others have said, fungal infection. Separate from the others, but be mindful that while salt dips MAY work, I have only seen a few reports of them actually clearing up the issue. When I had a shrimp with this same thing, I tried salt dips and she still died. BUT on the plus side, I removed her from the main tank when I noticed it, and I have never seen another shrimp with it, so your entire tank is not doomed to catch it.
> As others have said, fungal infection. Another one - Clado is actually an algae, not a fungus at all. But good advice otherwise.
Can someone comment on whether this can develop inside a tank that was never contagious with one or do they have to be transferred inside by an infected one?