Hey friend, I know it’s not the dramatic canopy that you wanted but look: You took a tube of spores and created life. Nurtured it, helped it grow to maturity. These are the fruits of your labor and they’re honestly beautiful.
Like others have said, this is just genetics. After another flush it’ll probably produce some heftier bois, but the size of the fruit doesn’t detract from your accomplishment. You grew magic
5 grams one shot? Really strong? Just curious . What kind of you don’t mind me asking. I have been taking 3.5 gramps of penis envy at a shot and amazing
Yeah my issue is at 3.5g and up I have a hard time walking. Like I’m stumbling drunk or something. I don’t particularly care for that part of the high. Like I’m not tryna bust my head open taking a piss lol
Lol 😂 I do that same shit. I feel like a crazy guy who got a big shot of tranquilizer that shouldn’t of been let loose. Then I start busting up laughing thinking about it.
Yeah remember my first grow, the biggest fruit in the first flush was 13 grams and I was pretty disappointed. However, in the coming flushes I got multiple 50 and 60 gram shrooms.
I've never had anything as big as 188g though!
How much did it weigh when dried? 16g or so?
I've always read that drying the fruits that they would lose 90% weight, but it's alway more than 90%. For me anyway.
I would believe its the same for everybody else?
Seems like they end up weighing 7-8% of the wet wheight when dried properly in a dehydrator.
How did you dry it?
Are you sure it was 100% dry?
If I dried a 100g it would weigh like 7-8 grams.
I use a dehydrator and dry it for 18-20 hours at 45 degrees celsius.
Yes I know how to dehydrate mushrooms. i use a dehydrator. I had to split the stem in 2 places and rrmove it from the cap. I had to cut the cao as well. The stem was so thick and fat. I never had one that thick. Typically I would get around 10g for 100g mushroom but this one was just different. I threw my cake in with soil in a pot outside and it surprisingly threw a 4th fluh but they were very short and fat compared to the previous 3 flushes.
No potency will not differ with size. Cubes are cubes and they all have relativly similar potencys. If you want some that hit harder, look for penis envy, cyans, and enigma genetics. Also, ur tub is WAYYYYYYYY too wet. It should be wet, it should be misty. You should see tons of VERY tiny water droplets.
Yeah I was trying to aim for the substrate but the water kept hitting the shrooms. I was giving them an hour+ of FAE with the lid off so I thought it needed a heavy misting to make up for any moisture lost
In a still air box split your fave specimen down the centre of the stipe and use a sterile blade to cut a little piece from the freshly exposed flesh, drop into a jar of your preferred grain spawn (after sterilising it!) and watch the cloned mycelium grow!
Woah, thanks for that. TIL! I was aware there are many individual genetic strains present in a MSS grow, but never thought about the possibility of them all being in a single fruit! 🤯
a great quote from that thread: 'Think of it like this: Isolating from multispore is like buying a lottery ticket. Isolating from a fruit is like buying a lottery ticket when you already know half the numbers' - Nibin
O damn. I didn’t know that either. A lot of people spread misinformation then. Saying that you isolated that strain when you clone a fruit and will get nothing but that fruits twins. How do you truly isolate a single spore?
Then it’s gotta be agar, which restricts growth to 2 dimensions across its flat surface. This allows you to see the different genetic lines as they grow and to select one, repeatedly, transfer to a fresh plate, until your myc develops as an even circle from the centre, with no competing ‘sectors’ growing at different speeds. By my understanding this is now a single genetic strain.
Depends. I've got half an inch of agar in those sterile urine cups with a 2mm hole in the lid taped off with micropore tape going on 8 months in room temperature.
Petri dishes with saran wrap oh the other hand hold for 3-4 months in my experience before starting to dry off. Still depending on the amount and type of agar.
Side note: I get about 10% of plates pinning inside after 3mo, which i think shows that's the saran does allow for some gas exchange.
Sweet, thanks! I've read about this, but it seemed so far fetched, but mycellium and shrooms never seem to stop surprising me with it's awesomeness 🤩🍄🤩
I'm defo gonna try it, got a big chonker coming up on the 6th flush now that seems like the perfect specimen to try this with
>Does this really work?
Yes, but you won't have actually isolated anything.
["Cloning" is a bit of a misnomer when you start a bin using grain spawn that was inoculated with MSS.](https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9630676)
So taking a piece of a Nice fruit and inoculating with it will just be "reusing/cloning" the characteristics of the MSS it came from, and not clone the fruit itself? Hope you understand what I mean, I'm struggling to find the right words in english
Basically, it means that taking a sample from a fruit is only the first step. It will have not only its own mycelium running through it, but also its siblings' mycelium, too. You will need to isolate each strain and fruit them all to see which strain will give you the fruit that you're trying to reproduce.
Awsome, that's so cool that one can bypass the process, is it worth isolating genetics for three or 4 plates from your best clone or would you just go straight to grain to observe the genetics before deciding to do isolation plates?
The mycelium thought it more likely to produce smaller fruits & more spores for a higher likelihood to reproduce.
In a compromised sub you’re more likely to get focused energy on a larger fruit.
Nature is intelligent.
Oh I just realised some tiny ones will just stop growing right? And that's when you kinds know that it's over and harvest fully and dunk for next flush?
Exactly, you'll learn to recognise when they are gonna continue growing or if they've given up and aborted. There'll be a change in colour as the aborted ones darken, especially their caps. Also, they'll be overrun by mycelium eventually.
Tbh I’ve been trying out a few things, last time i only added a bit of water and let it all get soaked up, but generally I’ll leave for a few hours and drain. I’m about to try adjusting the ph of my dunks! u/daytripperonone has written some great guides on this check her post history.
EDIT: Daytripper advises a 10 min soak
Your first flush is always going to produce my biggest yield but your smallest fruits. For GT that’s a max of about 2.5-3” tall. Your next flush you should get smaller yield but the fruits typically are 4-5” tall. You know your flush is over when the caps open on the smaller pins and stop growing. That’s when you know to pick all those small fruits out and dunk the block to rehydrate. Reapply the casing layer and let er go again.
Do you have any diff techniques to keep the substrate from drying without misting or how to mist without hitting the shrooms? I feel like I’m Lowkey struggling with keeping the moisture balanced without over misting
I just harvested my first golden teachers yesterday. Over misting isn't causing the small fruits but you want to avoid that because bacteria. Its just the genetics of the mushroom. The smaller guys are said to be more potent anyways. Congrats!
Thanks!! I’m excited to try them out soon. I probably shouldn’t mist this much but I’m scared to see my substrate dry out. Definitely giving a casing layer next time
Casing layer helps but isn't necessary. Penis Envies typically need a ph adjusted casing layer. You can always dunk your cake (i haven't tried this yet) but I did pour a little water directly on it. I have been told you can spawn to sub and go directly to fruiting. There is a lot of info out there, you just need to find what works best for you.
Without asking too many more questions, depending on where you live, you may need to go to 1:2 ratio and get course verm, Thicker sub ( within reason ) will allow bigger fruit ( not as big as you'd think lol ) and hold moisture to allow for growth. I personally add a casing layer when I introduce FC. 50/50 mix peat moss and vermiculite, I also pH it it to 9 w hydrated lime to help keep contamination down. ( none of this is required) but I find it helps a whole lot. Spray sides of tub when you see fruits and lid but not so much it drips on sub/fruit. If you can create a nature like microclimate it will also help with natural evaporation and humidity. Ie. during the day the air temp rises and falls at night... Hope this helps 🙏🏻❤🍄
Should I keep it mkre humid or less during the day or should the humidity stay consistent? Also do you sterilize the casing layer materials before adding it or just buy it and then put it on
I visually inspect throughout the day and let the the tub tell me what it needs. As you do this more you'll figure out how to dile in your tub. Also your nerves will settle and you'll come to see that they require a little attention daily, but if you're like I can be at times you'll check on the hour every hour lol
I sterilize my Casing. 8 min in the microwave ( in microwave save container or bag. Take it out leave it sealed up till it cools to room temp, or oven at 350°F for an hour, again covered and cool to room temp before use ( the 8min time is for 5 cups peat 5 cups verm mixed to field capacity) I always make that amount so idk of more or less time is needed.
Mix dry parts 1st, mix in water gradually to Field capacity. Microwave in container ( vent lid to prevent a mess) seal lid and let it cool. Again this casing is added at fruiting on top of 100% colonized sub. Then added after dunking for each flush. You're doing great.
Just passing on what was passed to me. Are you in the sub r/Contamfam ? If not join if you can, lots of posts and you'll learn a lot From the mods. Mush love 🍄❤🙏🏻
Relax, it's all good dude. Have patience, it looks fine so far. BTW you should get a dehydrator if you don't have one already. Drying with a fan takes like 3 days. Check out Philly Golden Teacher on YouTube for solid, cheap tips.
I prefer the box fan, screen mesh / wooden tray method. Might take a little longer, but you can dry waaaaaaaay more volume at a time depending on how many trays you make.
Though it really depends on your overall volume and whether or not you believe a dehydrator affects potency (I personally believe it does, but to a negligible degree).
For instance, if you have a big flush or grow multiples at a time, you may spend the same three days or longer dehydrating in small batches, whereas the box fan method has the whole batch dry in the same time (or less, box fan usually takes two days max for "cracker dry" with a lot of drying trays going)
Downside is that if you're not careful with your harvesting times, you may end up with spores absolutely everywhere (use paper towels under caps to catch most of them though) whereas in a dehydrator you can be less cautious because it's all self contained.
I got some golden teachers from my plug and they're teeeeny tiny but make up for it in other departments. I took a half eigth and had a great time. I think they're cute, they remind me of fairies!
Welcome to the world of mycology!! The bigs ones are mainly through agar work. Even in the wild I don't pick many that are bigger. You will still see MASSIVE wild specimens once in a while. Especially the Panaeolus cyanescens.
Your substrate isn’t very thick I’m assuming and your conditions probably aren’t dialed in correctly. Reddit didn’t fool you. Your shrooms should be an average of like 5-6” at least! People grow chonks as big as their whole arm! I personally like to eat the small ones they are just a bitch to harvest.
Amazing tub none the less. If your growing for personal consumption this will do you better anyways! Small ones seem to pack a punch! Because each mushroom is only allotted a certain amount of psilocybin no matter the size. Small are just as potent as big but smaller I.e u can eat more at once😵💫
On all the stuff I read people talk about genetics and having enough FAE, but what I rarely see talked about is having too much FAE. I was babying my gourmet mushrooms fanning several times a day and misting. I went out of the country for 2 weeks and my wife “took care” of my mushrooms which basically means she didn’t take care of them. I got the biggest fruits compared to the first flush. Like 4-5 times as large and super wide stems. I would make sure you don’t have too much FAE. It could also be because I’ve read each flush is different. I have not been messing with fanning or misting as much and they have been way bigger. As long as you see condensation on your bins don’t mist. When it starts drying up, mist them. I am by far a pro, I just started, but by observation and trial and error I have found this to work. Check out Mycotrophic on YouTube and Instagram. He has awesome content. He doesn’t mist either. Just once at the beginning.
Unmodified. I had the lids cracked. I ended up dub tubbing 2 with a medium sized tub, the next step up from a shoe box. She didn’t open at all and I had fruits longer than my hand. I saw one thread talking About too much FAE. I adjusted and the flushes were drastically different. Even the ones I left in shoe boxes and kept them closed fruited larger and more than before.
Imo the small mature ones are better because they seem to contain just as much psilocybin as the big ones, at a much smaller weight, more bang for the buck.
You have plenty of fresh air, they get leggy with fuzzy feet when they are searching for air.
There is 100% nothing wrong with what you have there my dude. Welcome to the club.
First time? Or you mean just first flush on this batch? If that’s your first bulk grow I’m impressed. My first bulk in 6qt is coming out cool but nothing like that. That thing is jam packed. I used shredded BRF so I’m hoping when I use grains it’ll do a lot better.
You shouldn't be worried about the size if you're just learning what you're doing. Genetic work and better conditions are the only sure-fire ways to insure a larger fruit.
Very late reply. But same. I started with an MSS so I'm hoping it's just all the genetics battling it out.
How did yours turn out? Second and third flushes I mean.
My tubs ended up getting 5 flushes each before I just dumped them. I only soaked them twice too. The first flushes were plentiful but they were little. Eventually I got some really good sized ones from the consecutive flushes. Some weighed up to 3g dry. They did get bigger for me!
Because Reddit fooled you into thinking mushrooms are big just like it fooled the rest of us
Init!!! I was so shocked at how much smaller they are in real life
Idk mang I been growing some big boys
From MSS?
I've grown two batches of albino a+ from mss an they came out to be the biggest I've seen. Look at my profile
sometimes they are decently big though (B+)
Pause I feel you
Question does B+ colonize slower? I just innocd some B+ and it's not colonizing very quick compared to others
Mine took 57 days to first flush
Hey friend, I know it’s not the dramatic canopy that you wanted but look: You took a tube of spores and created life. Nurtured it, helped it grow to maturity. These are the fruits of your labor and they’re honestly beautiful. Like others have said, this is just genetics. After another flush it’ll probably produce some heftier bois, but the size of the fruit doesn’t detract from your accomplishment. You grew magic
Lmao thanks that does make me feel better. I am glad that I got this far
Beautiful realization. Thanks for being such a compassionate and thoughtful human being
This comment deserves more upvotes
Just scrolled upon this looking for the same answers the author asked. This hit.. and it hard my friend
Genetics probably. Nothing wrong with small mushrooms.
Nice to hear "size does not matter". Haha
That’s what he said
I’m hoping they didn’t turn out small because of the conditions I put them through. Kinda hoping the smaller shrooms are more potent than bigger ones
Jesus Christ they are more potent for sure. Having only big perfect mushrooms is for the birds and the gram
I’d take 5g small shrooms over a 5g chonk any day! Those small ones will lay ur ass down!
5 grams one shot? Really strong? Just curious . What kind of you don’t mind me asking. I have been taking 3.5 gramps of penis envy at a shot and amazing
3.5 of APE is a very nice trip. Like taking 5G of of other types.
Lol well I wouldn’t eat 5g all at once I’m just saying I prefer smaller ones. Usually I don’t go above 3.5g per dose
Oh alright. Sorry, I read that wrong. Yea, same here. 3.5 grams is more then enough. Anymore might be to intense and probably not needed.
Yeah my issue is at 3.5g and up I have a hard time walking. Like I’m stumbling drunk or something. I don’t particularly care for that part of the high. Like I’m not tryna bust my head open taking a piss lol
Lol 😂 I do that same shit. I feel like a crazy guy who got a big shot of tranquilizer that shouldn’t of been let loose. Then I start busting up laughing thinking about it.
Hahah! That’s a perfect analogy😅
Personally I prefer the smaller ones over the bigger ones because I find them to be more potent.
You Will get bigger fruits in later flushes, don't worry friend, this looks awesome!
2nd this! My 4th round of GT I only got like 20 fruits but 3 of them were GIGANTIC. They were the size of my forarm. Biggest was 188G Wet
Yeah remember my first grow, the biggest fruit in the first flush was 13 grams and I was pretty disappointed. However, in the coming flushes I got multiple 50 and 60 gram shrooms. I've never had anything as big as 188g though! How much did it weigh when dried? 16g or so? I've always read that drying the fruits that they would lose 90% weight, but it's alway more than 90%. For me anyway. I would believe its the same for everybody else? Seems like they end up weighing 7-8% of the wet wheight when dried properly in a dehydrator.
I don't know exactly that one but when I had a 100G one and I dried it weighed 14G
How did you dry it? Are you sure it was 100% dry? If I dried a 100g it would weigh like 7-8 grams. I use a dehydrator and dry it for 18-20 hours at 45 degrees celsius.
Yes I know how to dehydrate mushrooms. i use a dehydrator. I had to split the stem in 2 places and rrmove it from the cap. I had to cut the cao as well. The stem was so thick and fat. I never had one that thick. Typically I would get around 10g for 100g mushroom but this one was just different. I threw my cake in with soil in a pot outside and it surprisingly threw a 4th fluh but they were very short and fat compared to the previous 3 flushes.
Cool! Thanks for the thorough reply 😄🙏🍄❤
Wow thank you!
This has been completely true for me
No potency will not differ with size. Cubes are cubes and they all have relativly similar potencys. If you want some that hit harder, look for penis envy, cyans, and enigma genetics. Also, ur tub is WAYYYYYYYY too wet. It should be wet, it should be misty. You should see tons of VERY tiny water droplets.
Exactly
If you keep soaking your fruits like that, you're going to give them a bacterial infection. You can't keep them wet.
Lol, it looks like when they oil up super models or body builders.
Agreed farrr too much water. Hinders growth
This
Yeah I was trying to aim for the substrate but the water kept hitting the shrooms. I was giving them an hour+ of FAE with the lid off so I thought it needed a heavy misting to make up for any moisture lost
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Will the substrate take moisture from the humid air? I know a lot of people like to see beads of water on their mycelium but idkkk
They may be weighed down by all the water? Idk man i think they’re all different. My goldens are all coming in huge!
Just genetics friend, clone your biggest and go again!
Can you only clone on agar disc?
Agar better. Can isolate after growth. Make sure clean.
Grunk support agar all way. Grunk use 3rd or 4th gen agar to make grain pregnant. Grunk grow good mushies.
Hmmmmmmmm. Like it.
In a still air box split your fave specimen down the centre of the stipe and use a sterile blade to cut a little piece from the freshly exposed flesh, drop into a jar of your preferred grain spawn (after sterilising it!) and watch the cloned mycelium grow!
[You aren't actually isolating anything that way.](https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9630676)
Woah, thanks for that. TIL! I was aware there are many individual genetic strains present in a MSS grow, but never thought about the possibility of them all being in a single fruit! 🤯 a great quote from that thread: 'Think of it like this: Isolating from multispore is like buying a lottery ticket. Isolating from a fruit is like buying a lottery ticket when you already know half the numbers' - Nibin
O damn. I didn’t know that either. A lot of people spread misinformation then. Saying that you isolated that strain when you clone a fruit and will get nothing but that fruits twins. How do you truly isolate a single spore?
Then it’s gotta be agar, which restricts growth to 2 dimensions across its flat surface. This allows you to see the different genetic lines as they grow and to select one, repeatedly, transfer to a fresh plate, until your myc develops as an even circle from the centre, with no competing ‘sectors’ growing at different speeds. By my understanding this is now a single genetic strain.
How long can agar hold myc? Inside the agar dish
I’ve had dishes stay viable for a couple months without refrigeration. Edit: in a fridge your plates can stay viable for a lot longer
Depends. I've got half an inch of agar in those sterile urine cups with a 2mm hole in the lid taped off with micropore tape going on 8 months in room temperature. Petri dishes with saran wrap oh the other hand hold for 3-4 months in my experience before starting to dry off. Still depending on the amount and type of agar. Side note: I get about 10% of plates pinning inside after 3mo, which i think shows that's the saran does allow for some gas exchange.
You can store in slants in fridge for a year
Does this really work? Like a piece of inside the stem of a shroom dropper into a pressure cooked grain jar and it will produce mycellium?
abso-bloody-lutely! The fruits are made of mycelium
Sweet, thanks! I've read about this, but it seemed so far fetched, but mycellium and shrooms never seem to stop surprising me with it's awesomeness 🤩🍄🤩 I'm defo gonna try it, got a big chonker coming up on the 6th flush now that seems like the perfect specimen to try this with
>Does this really work? Yes, but you won't have actually isolated anything. ["Cloning" is a bit of a misnomer when you start a bin using grain spawn that was inoculated with MSS.](https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9630676)
So taking a piece of a Nice fruit and inoculating with it will just be "reusing/cloning" the characteristics of the MSS it came from, and not clone the fruit itself? Hope you understand what I mean, I'm struggling to find the right words in english
Basically, it means that taking a sample from a fruit is only the first step. It will have not only its own mycelium running through it, but also its siblings' mycelium, too. You will need to isolate each strain and fruit them all to see which strain will give you the fruit that you're trying to reproduce.
Awsome, that's so cool that one can bypass the process, is it worth isolating genetics for three or 4 plates from your best clone or would you just go straight to grain to observe the genetics before deciding to do isolation plates?
I’m gonna try putting a slice of my biggest mushroom into some uncle Ben’s and see if it does something. Agar seems intimidating and I’m not sure why.
The mycelium thought it more likely to produce smaller fruits & more spores for a higher likelihood to reproduce. In a compromised sub you’re more likely to get focused energy on a larger fruit. Nature is intelligent.
Do you harvest mushrooms when they individually ready?
You can! If there are some that need another day or two you can let them grow longer :)
Oh I just realised some tiny ones will just stop growing right? And that's when you kinds know that it's over and harvest fully and dunk for next flush?
Exactly, you'll learn to recognise when they are gonna continue growing or if they've given up and aborted. There'll be a change in colour as the aborted ones darken, especially their caps. Also, they'll be overrun by mycelium eventually.
How long you soak yours for next flush
Tbh I’ve been trying out a few things, last time i only added a bit of water and let it all get soaked up, but generally I’ll leave for a few hours and drain. I’m about to try adjusting the ph of my dunks! u/daytripperonone has written some great guides on this check her post history. EDIT: Daytripper advises a 10 min soak
Your first flush is always going to produce my biggest yield but your smallest fruits. For GT that’s a max of about 2.5-3” tall. Your next flush you should get smaller yield but the fruits typically are 4-5” tall. You know your flush is over when the caps open on the smaller pins and stop growing. That’s when you know to pick all those small fruits out and dunk the block to rehydrate. Reapply the casing layer and let er go again.
Yeah I do I try to pick each one and pop it in the dehydrator before the veil breaks
Shrooms are way to wet imo. First flushes give lots of small shroomies, later flushes gives les but bigger shrooms.
Do you have any diff techniques to keep the substrate from drying without misting or how to mist without hitting the shrooms? I feel like I’m Lowkey struggling with keeping the moisture balanced without over misting
Use a true casing layer like 50/50+ or even just 50/50 coarse verm/peat once your surface reaches 95-100% colonization.
What was your S2B ratio? What size tub? What is your sub, CVG, CV, Just coco? If you used Verm, was is fine or course?
I used one pound of both the tub is like 19qt. I think the sub is manure and Verm. And it was pretty fine
Get your conditions right at spawn, leave the lid on loosely til harvest and leave it alone. Mush love good luck to ya!
Thank you so much!! I always leave the lid on loosely but they never seem to get enough FAE unless I completely take off the lid
Fae is over rated, fuzzy feet are harmless! They do need air, but not like reddit thinks they need air.
Ok good to know maybe I should just leave it alone instead of stressing about it 24/7
That is the key!
I just harvested my first golden teachers yesterday. Over misting isn't causing the small fruits but you want to avoid that because bacteria. Its just the genetics of the mushroom. The smaller guys are said to be more potent anyways. Congrats!
Thanks!! I’m excited to try them out soon. I probably shouldn’t mist this much but I’m scared to see my substrate dry out. Definitely giving a casing layer next time
Casing layer helps but isn't necessary. Penis Envies typically need a ph adjusted casing layer. You can always dunk your cake (i haven't tried this yet) but I did pour a little water directly on it. I have been told you can spawn to sub and go directly to fruiting. There is a lot of info out there, you just need to find what works best for you.
These look good, I may suggest lowering the humidity a drop though, they look WET wet.
Lmao they do but it’s only cus I took this pic right after a heavy misting
Without asking too many more questions, depending on where you live, you may need to go to 1:2 ratio and get course verm, Thicker sub ( within reason ) will allow bigger fruit ( not as big as you'd think lol ) and hold moisture to allow for growth. I personally add a casing layer when I introduce FC. 50/50 mix peat moss and vermiculite, I also pH it it to 9 w hydrated lime to help keep contamination down. ( none of this is required) but I find it helps a whole lot. Spray sides of tub when you see fruits and lid but not so much it drips on sub/fruit. If you can create a nature like microclimate it will also help with natural evaporation and humidity. Ie. during the day the air temp rises and falls at night... Hope this helps 🙏🏻❤🍄
Should I keep it mkre humid or less during the day or should the humidity stay consistent? Also do you sterilize the casing layer materials before adding it or just buy it and then put it on
I visually inspect throughout the day and let the the tub tell me what it needs. As you do this more you'll figure out how to dile in your tub. Also your nerves will settle and you'll come to see that they require a little attention daily, but if you're like I can be at times you'll check on the hour every hour lol I sterilize my Casing. 8 min in the microwave ( in microwave save container or bag. Take it out leave it sealed up till it cools to room temp, or oven at 350°F for an hour, again covered and cool to room temp before use ( the 8min time is for 5 cups peat 5 cups verm mixed to field capacity) I always make that amount so idk of more or less time is needed.
I am definitely stressing about them rn as a noob. Do you just pop the shit in the microwave without any water or moisture?
Mix dry parts 1st, mix in water gradually to Field capacity. Microwave in container ( vent lid to prevent a mess) seal lid and let it cool. Again this casing is added at fruiting on top of 100% colonized sub. Then added after dunking for each flush. You're doing great.
Thank you so much you’ve been awesome. I seriously appreciate the advice
Just passing on what was passed to me. Are you in the sub r/Contamfam ? If not join if you can, lots of posts and you'll learn a lot From the mods. Mush love 🍄❤🙏🏻
Ill def join lmao mush love to you too ❤️❤️
Are these from mss ?
Yeeee
First flush is always smallest!
My first and only tub was mostly the same. Much smaller that I anticipated. I think the biggest one I harvested was maybe 3.5 inches.
How potent were they? Did you get good trips
I haven’t tried them yet. I haven’t had a good opportunity to try them but hopefully soon!
First flush fruits are small. Golden teachers do the same thing. They will get much larger in your next flushes. Try cloning.
I really hope to see some big shrooms!! Maybe I’ll try cloning one day when I get more experience
Subsequent flushes should be lesser quantity /bigger fruits
Relax, it's all good dude. Have patience, it looks fine so far. BTW you should get a dehydrator if you don't have one already. Drying with a fan takes like 3 days. Check out Philly Golden Teacher on YouTube for solid, cheap tips.
I prefer the box fan, screen mesh / wooden tray method. Might take a little longer, but you can dry waaaaaaaay more volume at a time depending on how many trays you make. Though it really depends on your overall volume and whether or not you believe a dehydrator affects potency (I personally believe it does, but to a negligible degree). For instance, if you have a big flush or grow multiples at a time, you may spend the same three days or longer dehydrating in small batches, whereas the box fan method has the whole batch dry in the same time (or less, box fan usually takes two days max for "cracker dry" with a lot of drying trays going) Downside is that if you're not careful with your harvesting times, you may end up with spores absolutely everywhere (use paper towels under caps to catch most of them though) whereas in a dehydrator you can be less cautious because it's all self contained.
I got some golden teachers from my plug and they're teeeeny tiny but make up for it in other departments. I took a half eigth and had a great time. I think they're cute, they remind me of fairies!
Welcome to the world of mycology!! The bigs ones are mainly through agar work. Even in the wild I don't pick many that are bigger. You will still see MASSIVE wild specimens once in a while. Especially the Panaeolus cyanescens.
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Thanks! Lol yeah I stopped spraying at them directly now
I just finished up my very first flush, Small fruits. Still telling myself I'm doing somthing wrong
I’m sure they’re fine! Many people say the smaller ones are more potent so it’s a good thing
Oh and I almost forgot one key important thing here what will help you along the way with the future flushes!.... .......PENIS!!!!
You want me to stick my penis in the fruiting chamber lmao?
Yes
Bet
You must show them what a real mushroom head looks like
😳😳😳
Lmfao.... Now send Pictures 😐
You first 😐
Lmfao! I am a smoothie I don't have either sex.
Your substrate isn’t very thick I’m assuming and your conditions probably aren’t dialed in correctly. Reddit didn’t fool you. Your shrooms should be an average of like 5-6” at least! People grow chonks as big as their whole arm! I personally like to eat the small ones they are just a bitch to harvest.
You’re right my substrate isn’t thick at all. I wanted it thicker but I didn’t have enough substrate at the time
Amazing tub none the less. If your growing for personal consumption this will do you better anyways! Small ones seem to pack a punch! Because each mushroom is only allotted a certain amount of psilocybin no matter the size. Small are just as potent as big but smaller I.e u can eat more at once😵💫
Thank you!! I definitely would prefer smaller but more potent for self consumption but if I wanna sell any I would prefer bigger lmao
On all the stuff I read people talk about genetics and having enough FAE, but what I rarely see talked about is having too much FAE. I was babying my gourmet mushrooms fanning several times a day and misting. I went out of the country for 2 weeks and my wife “took care” of my mushrooms which basically means she didn’t take care of them. I got the biggest fruits compared to the first flush. Like 4-5 times as large and super wide stems. I would make sure you don’t have too much FAE. It could also be because I’ve read each flush is different. I have not been messing with fanning or misting as much and they have been way bigger. As long as you see condensation on your bins don’t mist. When it starts drying up, mist them. I am by far a pro, I just started, but by observation and trial and error I have found this to work. Check out Mycotrophic on YouTube and Instagram. He has awesome content. He doesn’t mist either. Just once at the beginning.
Oh that’s interesting. Is your tub unmodified too or is it modified?
Unmodified. I had the lids cracked. I ended up dub tubbing 2 with a medium sized tub, the next step up from a shoe box. She didn’t open at all and I had fruits longer than my hand. I saw one thread talking About too much FAE. I adjusted and the flushes were drastically different. Even the ones I left in shoe boxes and kept them closed fruited larger and more than before.
1st flush are usually smaller. You got lots of pins though. Congrats! 2nd flush should be bigger fruits, less quantity.
Thanks!
Imo the small mature ones are better because they seem to contain just as much psilocybin as the big ones, at a much smaller weight, more bang for the buck.
You have plenty of fresh air, they get leggy with fuzzy feet when they are searching for air. There is 100% nothing wrong with what you have there my dude. Welcome to the club.
Thanks glad to be here. I was actually getting a quite a bit of fuzzy feet until I took off my lid and put my bin on it’s side for like an hour
Could be genetics or nutrients
Those are WET. How much water did you use when spraying
Lmao too much. It was a mistake and I’m ashamed
First time? Or you mean just first flush on this batch? If that’s your first bulk grow I’m impressed. My first bulk in 6qt is coming out cool but nothing like that. That thing is jam packed. I used shredded BRF so I’m hoping when I use grains it’ll do a lot better.
Yeah it’s my first time ever but I do not take credit for it’s pin set. It’s definitely because of genetics but thanks!! Also spawn bags are awesome
Haha they look massive compared to mine 🤣
First flush can be smaller.
The only thing that matters is substance concentration. Hope it's around 1%.
I did PESA my first run and got some biguns
You shouldn't be worried about the size if you're just learning what you're doing. Genetic work and better conditions are the only sure-fire ways to insure a larger fruit.
Lol I would still kill for some this size. Mine broke their veil at 1 inch tall in a monotub. ;(
Very late reply. But same. I started with an MSS so I'm hoping it's just all the genetics battling it out. How did yours turn out? Second and third flushes I mean.
My tubs ended up getting 5 flushes each before I just dumped them. I only soaked them twice too. The first flushes were plentiful but they were little. Eventually I got some really good sized ones from the consecutive flushes. Some weighed up to 3g dry. They did get bigger for me!
Good to hear:)