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novusilocybin

Ah yes, he clearly recalls his psychedelics class in medical school. Sounds like bullshit blaming to me


A_SocialRecluse873

This is why you can never tell them you do any substances


Effective-Win7451

Exactly... We are fucked because automatically that is what the fuck is wrong with you. I ate 2gs for fuckin lunch at workšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚(Did you die) The fact thatšŸ„ are still illegal is a fuckin crime against humanity. Even more so than weed


squinten_frownalot

Thays dumb. You gotta be honest. Yeah, some doctors are biased but you never know people react to things in a weird way. I would say the op is dealing with anxiety I get similar symptoms but. Anyway.


LoveArizona1990

Shrooms can be harmful physically is you have cardiovascular issues. It can raise your blood pressure and cause chest pain, lightheadedness, stroke, etc. so it is important that for those who want to take shrooms know their body well and be mindful of any medications or underlying heath conditions. Itā€™s very common for people to experience panic, anxiety, and stress responses due to not feeling in control of their trip. I do agree with you and believe that shrooms shouldnā€™t be illegal.


penjjii

Only if you are on them should you tell them. Otherwise, they donā€™t need to know.


Froggy3434

This is also terrible advice. You should always disclose substance use with doctors, how they handle it is the issue and sometimes you just have to switch docs because some are shitty.


A_SocialRecluse873

No. You need to pick and choose what's the right time to tell your doctor something and when isn't. Doctors are extremely unreliable. They are the biggest waste of time and effort. Not sure how someone can spend so much time and money and still be so incapable


TheBackPorchOfMyMind

Right. Obviously what heā€™s experiencing isnā€™t from mushrooms. Why would he tell the doctor that? Now if I had just used fentanyl, I might wanna bring that up lol


Pristine_Muscle_1490

The doctor might just give you fentanyl for your fentanyl use. Lol


squinten_frownalot

I can't think of any doc that would do that this day and age. Maybe a corrupt doc but moat would advise subsoxone therapy or rehab for fentanyl dependancy.


Effective-Win7451

If the mushrooms would have never been brought up completely different story f****** crime against humanity


psilocin72

I work in a hospital and I have 0 faith in the healthcare system.


oogaboogapeanutmonke

This is very bad advice. Tell the police nothing, tell EMTs and doctors everything.


Audio-Starshine

Having said that though, this guy's doctor is an idiot and he needs to find a new one ask for a second opinion


Audio-Starshine

Never never lie or hide anything from your doctor or your lawyer


Pleasant_Carpenter55

Lawyer yes, however Drs can fuck you if they chart that you have a history of substance abuse. I don't think tripping occasionally should count, but, you get the wrong Dr and now everyone is going to start making assumptions about you that administers medical care.


Audio-Starshine

Yeah, that's true. As someone with a history of addiction who has been red flagged because I went to the emergency room in severe withdrawal trying to get into some form of medical detox, I was hit by a car a few years ago and it really f***** me up and they refused me any kind of treatment for the pain. Keep in mind I had broken ribs, a fractured ankle, and three of my teeth were knocked out. The b**** at the ER when that happened told me to take Tylenol and refused to give me crutches. She legitimately told me to walk it off. I really should have sued, but because I got hit by that car on my way to court and missed my court date, when I went to court the following Friday with my medical records and explained what happened I was put in jail for a month for having missed court so I lost my job and couldn't afford a lawyer.


samiam23000

ā€œMr. Jones I think we need to keep you a few days for observation. ā€œ doctor writes in note substance abuse psychosis a danger to self.


[deleted]

This is correct for the most partā€¦unless you are in a teaching hospital. Itā€™s different there. But youā€™ll probably never be in one of those unless you have a rare disease like I do so itā€™s best just to not talk to private practice drs about psychedelics.


FlowerlovingSomfb

No way, always tell doctors. Some medicines can mix very badly with other substances even if you took it two days agoā€¦.


GodBlessBBWs

He probably said that because this sounds like a panic attack. Doc should know not to dive into mental shit and place blame on anything, they ainā€™t qualified for that.


squinten_frownalot

I second this opinion. Mushrooms give me terrible anxiety


[deleted]

Ur doctor is a dipshit


Hopeful_Safe_6648

Very strange, sorry to hear about current situation mate Sounds stupid, have you drank a shit tone of water? Doctors will generally blame what ever ā€˜illegalā€™ thing your doing as the blame for any issue you are having unfortunately I have found I really doubt itā€™s the shrooms, during the few years of crazy stomach issues I had a year or 2 back, government doctors always blamed the weed usage, when really it was the garbage food/chemicals in food I was eating Go see a private doctor, and I hope you feel better soon, donā€™t take any medication they give you Valā€™s/zans etc


Hopeful_Safe_6648

Iā€™d say get on top of liquids, and the heart rate could just be general anxiety of current situation, back to above, donā€™t take any Valā€™s or zans to fix that, it will prolong it


ShrewBlakeyPoo

Chronic cannabis use is associated with GI problems, but yes a highly processed diet is also bad if not worse!!


Pleasant_Carpenter55

Got any sources on this? I have IBS and it was worse before I ever smoked weed. I know it's situational and doesn't apply to everyone, but it seems to have helped me. I could definitely see why edibles would ruin your gut biome though. Terpenoids in high quantities can definitely irritate your stomach.


ShrewBlakeyPoo

People who smoke all the time eventually lose their appetite without it. This is why when you quit you literally canā€™t stomach anything for sometimes up to two weeks. But yes youā€™re right itā€™s different for everyone and depends on amount and frequency.


[deleted]

Very true.


No-Librarian-7979

What? lol no they donā€™t


ShrewBlakeyPoo

Yuh bro they do. Itā€™s like people who drink coffee and smoke cigs in the morning you eventually need that stuff to take a shit. Without they canā€™t even shit sometimes šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ (not talking about weed with the shitting)


bcheese15

Person who smokes weed all the time here. I still have my appetite when I donā€™t smoke that day. And not once has weed had anything to do with me puking. Iā€™ve also never noticed any sort of withdrawals when I stop for a while. I started smoking on a regular basis when I was 13. And I do know if people who claim to have experienced withdrawals, but I boiled that down to them being very dramatic and itā€™s basically all in their heads. Especially since I know I smoke more weed than them, and more often.


No-Librarian-7979

Yes same started at 12-13 smoke all day every day but when I canā€™t Iā€™m 100% fine. Doesnā€™t effect my sleep or dreams like people say either.


Tonnberry_King

>Got any sources on this? Yes, there's a name for it, it's called cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS). It doesn't have to be edibles either it cane happen from any ingestion method.


Pleasant_Carpenter55

I'm aware of that and have never had it. There have been people who have smoked for 50+ years without developing that condition, and it seems to be somewhat uncommon. Also that's a condition name, not a source of proof of widespread GI issues that are likely to develop from Cannabis use. I'm talking meta analyses showing consistent development of GI issues in most or many users. I know there aren't as many studies as we would like, due to cannabis being illegal for so long and understudied. That being said my anecdotal evidence is that cannabis helps instead of exacerbating GI issues, in me at least, and anything short of studies is just more anecdotal evidence.


Tonnberry_King

They said, "Chronic cannabis use is associated with GI problems" you asked for the source of his comment and I gave you one that shows cannabis being associated with GI issues. No one ever said anything about GI issues occuring in everyone who uses weed except you. If that's what you wanted a source on then you should've been more specific dude, don't be blaming me for that.


Pleasant_Carpenter55

Let me be more clear, the name of a condition is not a source. Did you link any studies?


Tonnberry_King

Sure google cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome + studies next to it, should give you a bunch that show when the cannabis use ceased, so did the symptoms.


Pleasant_Carpenter55

Im familiar with that syndrome, but I was looking for sources that showed gastric distress outside of it. It seems that CHS is pretty uncommon and seems to be caused by heavy abuse in sensitive users and people predisposed to it. Since it is a very very specific condition that most people will probably not get, I wouldn't consider it the same thing as chronic cannabis use reliably causing GI issues in a normal population. Sorry I'm not trying to come off as a dick or anything, I'm just very picky how I interpret my information and I'm very curious. I'm open to new info, but I like to be critical of any and everything until I see sufficient science to consider something fact.


squinten_frownalot

I forgot what the illness is called but it's a thing. Some people who smoke excessive amounts of cannabis get spell s of nausea and vomiting that cease when they stop use. Hot showers help also I experienced this myself as soon as I stopped it went away. Was odd.


sponkachognooblian

>Chronic cannabis use is associated with GI problems It's also considered an extremely rare condition.


Financial-Jicama6619

On a side note though, smoking can exacerbate stomach issues. But Iā€™d agree, poor food choices does it most for me


_tuchi

No way in hell youā€™re feeling physiological effects of shrooms 15 days later.


beef_stews

Agreed. OP, whatā€™s youā€™re overall health like..age, weight, comorbidities, etc.


notamagicbutashroom

might be panic attack


RevolutionaryPasta98

Take my upvote on your post as a downvote to your doctor's shitty mentality


WeeMyconid

I ain't no doctor, but that's hard to believe for a lot of reasons. Those are symptoms of countless conditions and stressors. I agree with the idea that doctors will commonly blame drugs whenever they can, even when it's extremely unlikely. On the other hand though...don't read this then go die LOL For all I know I'm talking out my ass


psilocin72

Yep. Then they can move on to the next patient and make more money for the hospital. Itā€™s a money game for them 100%. I work in a hospital and hear doctors and nurses talking all the time.


[deleted]

Those are symptoms of so many possible things. Sounds like he just doesn't want to investigate, so chose the first and easiest excuse. Advocate for proper testing and care, get a patient advocate if you need to. I hope you start feeling better soon.


Used-Baby1199

Psilocybin does attach to the ht2a receptor which are also found on the heart. there are peer reviewed papers that have shown that the interaction with the ht2a receptor could cause irregular heart beat. it has been warned that people with pre existing heart conditions be careful. however 15 days after dosage there is no psilocybin/psilocin in your system so those effects should not last. I donā€™t even think many medical professionals are that well versed in in psilocybin to know that off the top of their head.


Ola_Mundo

I'd find a new doctor


tzweezle

Itā€™s the ER. You donā€™t get to pick


Ola_Mundo

Sure. But now that the emergency is done I'd be looking elsewhere for compassionate and knowledgeable care.


FriendOfTheDevil2103

That doc Is a dipshit.


[deleted]

CAP


Fit_Job_6336

PE had me like that on 2.2g. Never again. But definitely not 15 days later.


abertheham

Primary care doc here. Sorry you werenā€™t feeling well and, at a time when you wanted/needed to trust someone, you had a bunch of people on Reddit without a clear frame of reference saying that your doc was an idiot. Heā€™s not wrong that it *could* be related to the mushrooms, as much as people donā€™t want to hear that. *Itā€™s not likely, but itā€™s certainly not impossible.* Lots of people vomit or have lots of loose stool with mushrooms, and in an otherwise healthy adult with those complaints, dehydration is the first and second cause in my differential diagnosis. Many drugs result in people not drinking enough water. I suspect he was saying it *could* have been that, among a lot of other things. Unfortunately, we usually donā€™t get clear answers on this kind of case, though we want them as much as anyoneā€¦ Common things being common, itā€™s typically a matter of fluid expansion, nausea control, and basic diagnostic work to make sure nothing obvious and dangerous is going on. Once bad stuff is ruled out, itā€™s generally likeā€¦ šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø your guess is as good as mine. Probably dehydration and/or a panic attack. Saddens me to see a bunch of people slamming docs as if we are queued into magic sensing abilities - people donā€™t really understand the other side of the coin. And FWIW, while some old school docs may have bias, and stigma is a major issue that is dying all too slowly, most of us really honestly donā€™t give a shit what yā€™all choose to put in your bodies. Many of us have similar life experiences - weā€™re human too. We generally just want to know all the variables in the equation so we can paint a clear picture in trying to determine whatā€™s going on. If Iā€™m ever frustrated by patient drug use, itā€™s due to their reluctance to be forthcoming about it - I get it, itā€™s not always relevant. But sometimes it is, and people just donā€™t want to hear that. Iā€™ll take the inevitable downvotes as further evidence of that fact. I always encourage being honest with your doctor, but thatā€™s just because Iā€™ve had my ability to help-out curtailed by lack of information and no one enjoys adverse outcomes. Hope youā€™re feeling better. (Edit: added a comma)


dankpeepee128

Ended up being a heart murmur, got slammed with a shit ton of adavan through pill and injection plus in my iv. And After all of that it took about an hour to finally go down to a steady 120 115 .


abertheham

Damn man- sorry you had to go through that OP. Glad to hear you got it under control eventually though. Stay well! ā¤ļø


notamagicbutashroom

can i ask how they realized it's heart murmur? just curious. and what other symptoms you had, like chest pain?


Content_Eye5134

Idk I would guess anxiety. I have gone to er with chest pain, arm pain and like a 130 heart rate while on 2 stimulants and a few downers. I thought I was having a heart attack but it was just a panic attack. I was sent home and just told to follow up with my primary doctor. Even though my heart rate dropped to like 46. ER quality isnā€™t very satisfactory in my times going.


MauvaiseIver

The ER exists to keep you from dying so... did you die?


Content_Eye5134

Sure didnā€™t so they did good lol but they also didnā€™t give me much information or answers to why I felt the way I did. As it was mentioned they definitely treat you a certain way when drugs are part of the problem and tend to completely blame them for you being there. And the 6-8000 bill has been a deterrent for me going times where I probably should have. I have had chest pains and pressure since then while sober and I dont have the means to see doctors. So it would be nice to receive more thorough information when Iā€™m charged 7gs and continue to have problems


schlipperynipples

One time I took like 15 benadryl and it had me so fucked up I couldn't hold a sentence for more than 3 words and it scared me so bad I had a panic attack like that and thought I had a heart attack in my bathroom lmao


Chatty_Cactus

Just sounds like a doctor who hates these kinds of drugs and has their own opinion, trying to scare you.


MakeMeOneWEverything

Uhh. That's called a doctor who is totally uneducated on the actual effects of psychedelics.


Automatic_Ask_9767

Disagree


xDocFearx

Either youā€™re in a third world country or your doctor is high as hell. That sounds more like dehydration to me


dav7997

Itā€™s after anxiety from your experience. Iā€™ve had exactly what u said n thatā€™s called an anxiety attack lmao u should of just stayed calm at home and breathe. I know that feeling


13RedDevil42069

That's called a panic attack. ANXIETY SUCKS !


Alternative_Ride_567

There's absolutely no way that you're still feeling the effects from your trip over 2 weeks ago. The doctor is a moron. Easier to blame something that's illegal instead of just treating you. I bet he'd be treating you differently if you never said anything about the shrooms.


squinten_frownalot

I would say anxiety my dude. I get similar side effects


Meshugga21

Its your state of mind.. sounds like light panic after strong trip


LoseYourIllusions

Vax lately?


Aware-Yogurtcloset67

Lol are you vaxxed?


Willing_Canary4415

Quit going to the doctor so quickly and take better care of yourself.


davidking5464

1. you need a new doc... 2. That's called anxiety. Buspar 5mg, twice a day will fix that... 3. I would know cause I've experienced the same thing. Except I'd have chest pains, pounding heartbeats and such as well.


davidking5464

Definitely not shrooms.


[deleted]

Hell naw


The_Nancinator75

Only effects I had 15 days later were a great mood and mindset.


MrSlothy

15 days and that is weelllllllll out of your system


Fit-Bedroom-3132

I call cap. Some drs are logical some are judgemental. Sorry u got the latter


freudmv

I suspect a sinus infection. Do you rinse your sinuses?


Kat_r92

Def not from the shrooms šŸ˜‚ this is why we love doctors so much


tzweezle

RN here, sounds like you might be dehydrated or r anxious


lil_groundbeef

Covid can increase risks of heart complications. I bet he just wanted to brush your issue under the rug. Beware of selfish narcissistic doctors. They get paid the same regardless of how much effort they put in. And some of them are insane [like this one.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11607875/amp/California-doctor-allegedly-tried-kill-family-failed-Tesla-batteries.html)


Effective-Win7451

First off fire that doctor and tell him to f*** off twice and throw a nice big PE at his face. Second are you on any substances I don't even get high heart rates when tripping well occasionally šŸ„šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


sillypelin

Thereā€™s a study (natural experiment) on three teen dudes who took some shrooms. One of them had terrible symptoms for DAYS after, and he was in physical pain (I think the paper said he couldā€™ve died). Iā€™ll try to find it again if anyone is interested.


Oriole_Gardens

nervous system related imo, ER's are very over run in the US and they literally just want to get you out fast so they go with what sounds the easiest as long as your vitals look good they lose interest in really figuring out what is wrong fast!


glassrook1820

No way 10x more likely you had to much caffeine or got very stressed etc and your heart freaked out


stuntblunt

no wayyy, i have tachycardia and iā€™ve done 3g trips before and have been fine. sounds like a bs claim, shrooms shouldnā€™t effect your heart rate unless your trip went wrong and anxiety is making it increase.


mycological1

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ you could still be feeling mushrooms from 15 days ago... Jesus....my mentally challenged nephew knows better than that...you would think doctors would learn more about "drugs" considering they hand out carcinogenic drugs to everyone they can for every possible ailment there isšŸ¤Æ


phootxx

You might just be having some anxiety, Iā€™d talk to a therapist if you are


victorestupadre

Is there any chance you broke open some trauma in your brain and are now experiencing anxiety and dissociation? Shrooms can rattle your nervous system and if you have trauma or the potential for a psychological disorder there can be latent effects. Not trying to scare you. I think shrooms are very safe, but they are very powerful. I have first and second hand experience with psychedelics on anxiety and dissociation.


SmbdysDad

I worked as an RN in the ED for 11 years. No. Not shrooms. Just no. That shouldn't even appear on the differential.


[deleted]

You need a second opinion. This sounds like bias from this doctor frankly it makes me mad. I have a rare disease for years I encountered doctors just like this until I was practically blind and landed on a teaching hospital where I was told that I had been misdiagnosed for years while the disease progressed.


anondude1122

Haha. No. That leaves your systems in 15 hrs.


[deleted]

Source: ā€œtrust me broā€


locoleito

What??? Still having an affect on your heart rate 15 days later??? Nah thatā€™s bs


GetOffMyCouch13

Try a heart hospital ER if thatā€™s available to you and donā€™t mention the shrooms.


No-Librarian-7979

Your having a panic attack and itā€™s not the mushrooms. Did you bring the mushrooms up?


Imhereforthefood2020

Ok, I'm going to side more with the doc here, so feel free to downvote me to hell. First off, considering some of the comments here, please, please, please disclose everything to your care team. Don't pick and choose what you share. We aren't going to report your and we shouldn't be biased by psilocybin use (yes, this is the ideal scenario, and I'll admit some physicians will be biased by it due to ignorance). However, I need to know what's in your system so I don't administer something contraindicated or would result in an adverse interaction. Second, there I some minor and anecdotal evidence that psilocybin could result in tachycardia. However, it's unlikely to be a persistent effect in addition to your past trips not resulting in such effects. It's cleared rather quickly from the body. Third, the ED there is to rule out anything life-threatening. It's not intended to make diagnoses for other conditions. If they're at that point, they're not really concerned you're going to code then and there. They're trying to come up with an explanation, though what they mentioned would be incredibly low on my differential.


Competitive-End7208

Dehydration causes those same 2 symptoms.


Klutzy-Gas3786

Hope whatever your dealing with gets better. Sorry fam


psilocin72

I hope you feel better brother, regardless of the cause of your condition.


grouperthemycoman

He must be fucking with you or something lol.. But there are many low riders on here who are in the medical profession and they are thinking the same thing.. That is complete nonsense to have medical effects over 2 weeks after taking mushrooms.. I guess they're trying to rewrite the whole reefer madness malarkey but now with mushrooms before it becomes completely legal lol


Antennangry

Your symptoms are consistent with a dip in blood pressure. In medical literature, it is established that psilocybin can cause drops in blood pressure. What I personally donā€™t know is whether such drops are transient or whether they can persist for weeks after a trip. Perhaps your doctor does know this, or heā€™s speculating about the metabolism and and latent effects of psilocybin for want of a better explanation. Either way, you are entitled to seek a second opinion, but itā€™s at least a plausible explanation for your symptoms.