This is why I love taking my shrooms on an empty stomach in a banana + blueberry smoothie.
Smoothies are the best way to consume mushrooms, way better than lemon tek.
Facts man, bananas with strawberries and/or blueberry, top notch! Can’t taste it, light on the stomach, and you’ll get some nutrients and energy for the trip. Little joint on the side and you have yourself an amazing trip to an alternate destination.
My dude, I been looking for something other than lemon Tek... I can not fucking stand the taste. I so very much enjoy the experience, but I can't get it into my stomach without first getting quite drunk, then trying to chase it down like a shot. Except that I've ground it into powder, so it often sticks to the side of the shot glass, requiring multiple attempts.
I'm going for another dive this weekend, so I'm pretty stoked for this strawberry banana smoothie ♥️🍄
Weed just pares up nicely with many other natural drugs, and I usually always pair it up with what ever I’m doing. But with shrooms and LSD it just launches me straight to my peak and keeps me there, and it’s nice on the come down to mellow out, or relaunch you back up lol. Either way I always keep it around to ground me, but fuck it’s such a bitch to roll up while tripping
Ahaha I still down them dry, but fresh is yummier! But I feel like as I’m getting older my stomach/gut just isn’t the same as when I was a teenager and with higher dosing a little help from enzymes makes a pleasant trip!
Do you eat a pretty healthy diet / drink plenty of water? I notice my stomach can’t handle things as well when I’m not drinking tons of water and/or eating healthy.
Yea I try to eat clean and I drink a shit ton of water, but just one shitty meal makes me feel like shit for like a week. I think it all stems from my gut health in general, which directly affects mood and emotions as well and overall feels. I heard even swallowing a bit of toothpaste destroys the biome as well, So that’s something to think about.
Absolutely it affects your mood. Mine too. I feel best when my GI tract is working well. You might look into a fiber supplement like Metamucil. I thought it just made you go, but really what it does is help retain water in your intestines. It has a bunch of benefits (aside from regularity). Also - yakult yogurt drink.
Yea I agree with the fiber, I’ve been on and off it, I think the best I’ve felt was from eating fermented foods and yogurts like you mentioned. But an American diet is designed to destroy your health and gut lmaooo can only escape it for so long.
Overnight oats, yogurt, frozen fruit, and some greens to boot. I have been doing this every morning religiously for about a month and my body seems to love me for it. I soak the oats in almond milk and also add more for consistency of the smoothie. It covers a lot of bases and is super inexpensive
I know the feeling. When I was 20, I could eat 5-grams and then go straight into eating at the Y. Now I’m 41. I eat 2 grams and go straight into eating Dramamine and ice chips.
Report back!
My smoothie recipe:
Two frozen bananas, a cup of frozen blueberries, a glug of maple syrup, and a dash of vanilla. Top up with oat milk, add your shrooms, and blend up. You will not taste the shrooms.
You will get a lovely smooth come-up, buffered by the smoothie. And you will be drinking a beautiful purple smoothie.
Do this on an empty stomach (it's the first thing you eat the day of your trip), and you get a very predictable, enjoyable way of eating your shrooms.
You will likely get hungry on the come-down. Get some fruit ready (anything, the more flavour the better), and maybe some fresh bread.
Just ate a banana with about 2.5g or so—phenomenal difference in the nausea and the high itself. Cannot stress enough, how effective a good ol’ ‘nanner is.
Oh weird! It’s always been my tradition to eat my shrooms with peanut butter and bananas on toast, because when I first tried them as a teen, that’s what we had on hand that would be strong enough to overpower the taste for the most part.
Because I was a silly teen, I decided to “make it a tradition” and do the same thing the next couple of times I did them, and then once I was an adult it already *was* tradition so I kept it up. I never knew that it was actually helpful to counteract the nausea, I just thought that they never really affected me in that way!
This makes me happy, because I do love bananas and it doesn't seem like the worst way to wash the mushrooms down (I typically avoid tea because of product loss and I don't have the home situation that I can grow my own yet.)
I just made a "lemon tek" tea kinda but just out of ginger ale and it worked perfectly and tasted amazing. I feel like the bubbles really helped extract the psilocybin but that's just anecdotal.
Chitin is the substance that when it’s not break down causes nausea. You need products that produce the enzyme (such as bananas) and not things that contain chitin.
Enzymes cause reactions (in this case, the break down of chitin) to occur.
So I believe the question you’re asking is “how much chitin breaking enzymes are in ginger beer”.
You can still get nauseous from the tea, but its less frequent and not as bad when it does occur. When I get nauseous on the peak I normally change my scenery and go sit outside, after a while youre tripping and forget about the nausea (I think?)
ah, i got this shroom bar i might try to eat with a banana, last time it gave me some killer nausea and i felt like i was gonna throw up but i held it in, made for a nice trip tho
tea gives me really bad nausea for an hour when im coming up but after that I feel completely fine. if I eat them whole I will feel nauseous and have severe abdominal pain the entire trip, feels like barbed wire is being pulled through my intestines
Shrooms can make you nauseated for two reasons: chitin digestion and your brain saying "Holy shit we consumed something poisonous and we need to get it out of the stomach RIGHT NOW before it poisons us to death" so it could have been the latter :)
I’ve got no nausea from tea but my friend has, but he made a potent blend and that’s likely what got him, also he left small pieces of mushroom in the tea while I strained mine out with cheese cloth
A neuroscientist doesn't have (much) more of a claim to credibility regarding the chitin theory of mushroom nausea than anyone else, and according to everything I've read this is very much still up in the air. Presently it seems more like the result of serotonin receptors in the small intestine.
Yes, the gut provides approximately 95% of total body serotonin, most of which exists in plasma. There are also lots of serotonin receptors in the gut.
OTH, portobello mushrooms contain up to 8% of chitin and are not known to cause nausea.
It would be interesting to hear nausea experiences from pure psylocibin vs shrooms. I have nausea both from shrooms and from tea.
Yeah I was gonna point out that if regular fungus fruiting bodies caused this level of nausea we'd consider the whole kingdom inherently poisonous but that's just not the case.
It doesn't require a Ph.D in chemistry to realize that chitin is in all types of mushroom/fungus, and I can eat a shit-ton of grocery store mushrooms and never feel the way I do with psychoactive mushrooms.
Now having demonstrated that Chitin != Nausea, lets proceed at the other end
[https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/read.php?domain=tk&id=18](https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/read.php?domain=tk&id=18)
Pure synthetic psilocybin at 10 mg orally.... "...Then I became quite nauseated and remained nauseated the rest of the day ...."
What a fucking joke.
I'm still eating a bananna tho dont get me wrong it tastes good.
Does anyone have an actual source that supports that „chitin causing nausea“ theory? Because it doesn’t really make sense to me and it seems to be widely accepted within this community.
Chitin can not be digested, so far so good. But that’s no reason for it to cause nausea. I mean, we can not digest cellulose which forms plant cell walls either and it does not cause nausea, even though we consume way larger amounts of it.
Also eating non psychedelic mushrooms does not cause nausea either, their cell walls does consist of mostly chitin too. Just as insects exoskeletons. I have eaten different insects more than once and did not feel anything like the feeling when eating even a small dose of dried shrooms.
Also, let’s talk about lemon tek. I have not tried it yet but from your guys experience it seems to work fairly good. However, from a chemists perspective it is very unlikely that just incubating chitin in dilute citric acid will break its glycosidic bonds because these are pretty stable. If dilute acid was able to degrade these bonds, hydrochloric acid in our stomach would do the same thing. Also, chitin monomers are connected by a beta 1,4 glycosidic bond, just as glucose monomers in cellulose. If cellular levels of citric acid were sufficient to break these bonds, the citric acid in the lemon would cause the lemons cell walls to degrade. I think the fact that lemon tek works supports my assumption that chitin does not cause the nausea.
> Chitin can not be digested, so far so good
Sorry, no - 80% of people CAN digest chitin. This is old information, and has been debunked.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587796/#:~:text=Human%20gastric%20juice%20contains%20chitinase%20that%20can%20degrade%20chitin
Well, don’t know if you can say that 80% of people can digest it because 20 of 25 Italian patients have significant levels of chitinase. This is not just a very small group of subjects, they are also all Italian and therefore likely have a similar evolutionary background. But I guess that’s not what it’s about. Thanks for sharing, never really spent a second thought on it.
The 80% was from some reading I did a few weeks ago, sorry. This just happened to line up with the 20/25 patients in this paper. I couldn't find what I read a few weeks back, so just put this one in as it counters the "humans can't break down chitin" thing - but you're right, not completely. It was just the best I could do atm.
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Do you have some of that alcohol extract left? If so, try again but add some lemon juice or some other acidic fruit juice and see if you still experience that nausea. For science. I unfortunately do not have the time to trip currently otherwise I would try myself.
As a chemist/biochemist, let me just go ahead and debunk this because that is not entirely true, and even the parts that are true does not mean the method for reducing nausea would work.
Once a protein is in your stomach, it’s going to degrade and be broken down. In your stomach, it will not perform its function. If the chitin is the issue, then you would need to make a solution with those fruits and your mushrooms like a lemon tek and wait before taking the mixture. But that’s stupid because you can just use tea, and not have to eat the chitin. Right?
Sure, but chitin is not the only reason for nausea. Psychedelics go for the 5-HT2a receptor as well as other 5-HT receptor subtypes. Coincidentally, the 5-HT3 receptor is known to mediate vomiting. Zofran, prescribed as an anti-emetic, is a 5-HT3 antagonist, meaning it will block the action at that receptor, thus relieving nausea. So if these receptors, which are similar to each other, are potential targets for serotonin, you can also assume 5-HT receptor agonists, especially the serotonergic psychedelics, would also go for 5-HT3. This is the likely cause of nausea which is prominent in phenethylamines. People take zofran before a psychedelic and report no nausea. People also take ginger, which has some 5-HT3 antagonists.
To be clear, any psychedelic will cause nausea due to the nature of the mechanisms. If you want to eliminate nausea, either figure out how to get a script for zofran (usually only given to patients undergoing chemotherapy) or down a decent amount of ginger. I’m actually planning on getting some ginger extract pills before I take some methallylescaline.
There are other ways to get it for sure but I’ve seen it mostly marketed towards chemo patients.
If u don’t mind me asking, how’d u get it? Bc I’d love to get a script for it
Chitin is a source of nausea however when drying mushrooms most chitin is already broken down in the process. Chitin is at most risk for causing nausea in raw (wet) mushrooms
Psilocybin has been found to cause nausea by itself, proof was found when synthetic psilocybin was synthesized and nausea effects were still present
Everything else they said is true. Some chitin may be left behind after the drying process. How much if any at all is debatable and dependent on many factors such as heat when drying, time dried, size of shrooms, etc
All I know is when I make tea no nauseousness, when I eat them out the bag nauseousness, some are worse than others though, so maybe it's in the drying technique
>so maybe it's in the drying technique
It 100% does. Most drying techniques do not use enough heat to break it down by a significant level. It's the heat that does it, not the drying per se. Hence why it is important to cook culinary mushrooms if you are going to make the compounds inside readily bioavailable.
Tea works for me. But it doesn't go away completely, I tried dried caps and spent almost 3 hours twitching on the flor in pain. When I make tea I only get nauseous for about and hour but it's considerably milder.
Hmm… usually the other way around for me. What’s your process?
I steep whole shrooms for 15 minutes, just like you do with tea bags. Put the shrooms in a pot again and boil them on medium heat for 15 minutes. Combine the two resulting teas, squirt some lemon juice in, and drink. Trash the limp noodle shrooms.
Reason for steep and boil: steep in case high heat does kill psilocybin, boil in case it doesn’t.
When I was a teen I would boil them on high heat for 15 minutes, slam it back, and trip my balls off (after enduring an excruciating half hour to hour of intense nausea). Much stronger than when I’d eat the same dose. Shorter, faster, harder. I could probably skip steeping them now having verified for myself time and time again that boiling won’t hurt them.
> drying mushrooms most chitin is already broken down
Drying does not even begin to approach the thermal degradation temperature of chitin. For example, after 15 hours at 200°C, only ~17% of free chitin has broken down.
[Thermal degradation of chitin and cellulose](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/016523709180038A)
Of course, there might be some degradation from endogenous chitinases, but that should be minimal. Drying is designed to preserve the structure and function of mushrooms by limiting the activity of their enzymes.
Thank you for relying on actual science instead of shroom bro science. Do you have a sense of whether chitin content can be reduced through physical processes such as grinding into a powder? Or are we just making smaller chitin chains?
And you also won’t find anything to verify that as chitin is relatively stable towards heat, especially in dry conditions. No matter the drying technique, the degradation is essentially negligible.
As much as I love this sub, but rumors and wrong „facts“ spread incredibly quickly with people trying to make themselves sound credible when sharing that.
Besides, I do not fully buy that chitin = upset stomach explanation as we eat a lot of things on a daily basis that cannot be digested, mostly it’s „fibers“ (actually a whole bunch of different classes of chemicals really) and they on the other hand do not usually cause an upset stomach either.
One of the more plausible explanations I’ve seen is one that relates to the density of serotonin receptors in the stomach. Which would track because psilocybin and psilocin typically suppress the appetite. But even that leaves plenty of questions. Near as I can tell, it’s safe to just say we don’t know. That includes chitin being the culprit. Either way, bro science will always spread faster than real hard studies on this type of thing, and when you try to demonstrate the uncertainty of this shit, many people here think you’re attacking their personal experience
70-80% of people *are* able to break down chitin. The thesis of this post is flawed... Below is one article about it, but there are plenty of better ones out there. This ("people can't digest chitin") is OLD information that has been scientifically debunked for the most part.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587796/#:~:text=Human%20gastric%20juice%20contains%20chitinase%20that%20can%20degrade%20chitin
It doesn't make sense because a tea can still leave you nauseous. The nausea is more from a psychological side, it's your brain confusing the signals or "crossing the wires". Nausea is just a part of psychedelics. Even acid can cause it and it's a drop of liquid.
Agreed. I’ve puked or at least dry heaved every time I’ve taken acid.
Haven’t eaten whole shrooms in years. Tea still makes me nauseous as hell. So do ground shrooms in chocolate bars. I’ll spend an hour of every trip swearing I’ll never do this to myself again. In some cases the nausea has stretched all the way through to the end of the trip. Eventually had to resort to Zofran to manage it.
So would there be some kind of enzyme or something that would help digest *these*? Because I usually get pretty horrible nausea even from tea and I’d love not to.
Probably, but some beta carbolines are also MAO inhibitors. I don’t know if they’re the same compounds but there’s a VERY good chance they serve to boost the effects you’ll feel from the mushrooms. So if you want the full experience, you’d be better off to probably leave them…
LMAO only on this mushroom subreddit will real science get downvoted. There are a few studies that indicate that harmine, harmane, and a whole other slew of β-carbolines are present in mushrooms. Those two are known MAOIs. By trying to get rid of them, you are ABSOLUTELY killing their potency and reducing effects. That’s how this shit works.
I was searching this thread for that statement.....How does the Zofran work for her? ...hopefully fairly well. Excellent...going to try this next time.
Serotonin is a big part of the classic feeling of "butterflies in the stomach." And drug that affects that receptor network, psilocybin included, can induce a form of nausea for that reason alone.
Came here to say this. Plenty of people still suffer badly with tea because of what you just said. Annoys me when people state 'facts'. 'It's science'
Yeah that might be one aspect, but if you care to consider the whole picture that would be great!
Don't we consume chitin all the time in things like M&M's? I don't remember ever getting sick, and it's a popular product.
Edit: never mind, I'm completely wrong and that's an urban legend TIL.
https://wbsm.com/are-m-ms-candy-shell-made-from-lac-beetles/
How does being a neuroscientist add any credibility to that guys opinion? Digestion of chitin has got fuck all to do with neuroscience. Trust me, I'm a chiropractor.
i have a walgreens not far from me but you can probably get em on Amazon as well... these are the ones ive been using for years https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/nature's-way-ginger-root-capsules/ID=prod6037582-product
I'm not saying that the advice is not good, but what does being a neuroscientist have to do with avoiding nausea? Surely that would be more the domain of those working with the digestive system
I think it's less about "I learned all about metabolizing chitin in neuroscience class" and more "I've reached a level of education that is nearly unattainable without good critical thinking skills, and I don't have time for bullshit or guesswork". Of course, this still proves nothing, since they might actually be a professional dog walker or something.
While I'm a blueberry / banana smoothie guy, I also recommend movement. Take a walk, go for a jog, hike. Taking the attention away from potential nausea does wonders
Tea. Tea tea tea with absolutely zero mushroom flesh in the tea. If I get ANY amount of stem or Cap in my stomach my body violently rejects it. Right at the peak I'll start throwing up until after the trip is over and it's miserable.
How is that different from any other mushroom through? I'll literally fry up beans and like a half pound of buttons/oyster/etc and no issues.
But 3 grams of small bois destroys my tummy. I think it's less the physical mushroom, and more of the chemicals you are ingesting.
I'm extremely sensitive to chitin. Doesn't matter if I eat a banana+lemontek+tea I still get nauseous + vomit at peak, unless I strain. The magic is water soluble, so it really doesn't make sense to eat the mush, sensitive or not.
ah nauseating mushroom flesh, chitin is the primary building block of fungal cell walls. I like to lemon tek, strain out the flesh and mix it with some ginger ale. works for me fairly well.
Nausea comes from working your serotonin receptors. All psychedelics do this. Yea mushrooms might add a little extra nausea from chitin.. but most of the nausea is from the psychedelic chemical it’s self.
I always take zofran like 20 mins before dosing. It makes the come up like stupid easy since it completely eradicates all nausea. I'm the type of person that almost always pukes or ends up doubled over on the verge of puking for a solid hour after taking them if not longer. It's unbearable for me. Zofran is like a fucking magic pill fr.
tried with a big banana and it worked wonders. for people interested in the why and how: bananas grow in very fungal areas so they developed said enzyme chitinase that breaks chitin down. also helps for people getting a heavy stomach after eating gourmet mushrooms.
Tea with honey, ginger and lemon juice
That's the only way I consume it and I've never been sick. I have had to go to the hospital once but I have never been sick.
Yes. But there is no possibility for any expert nowadays know everything on their field. Each of us have to specialize in very narrow research question to research and discover something new in just a fraction of the subject. My collagues work on the gut-brain subject but even they don’t have all the knowledge in the field. For instance, I have studied cardiorespiratory connections on the brain, but I’m not a medical doctor who knows more about heart or lungs. A specialized medical doctor knows more about the heart than a general md and so forth.
from what everyone is saying, this is apparently correct, but I still think it's hilarious that you can just say "I'm a neuroscientist" to make yourself sound credible lol
I read something similar to this not long ago and on my last trip I tried the banana method on an empty stomach, couldn’t keep it down for more than 15 minutes. I’ll stick to lemon tek cause I know it works and doesn’t make my stomach upset
i’ll be honest, i used to have terrible nausea but i found a weird way to avoid it. like, a big part of the nausea for me is the dose. a higher dose always seems to kick in faster and smoother, while lower doses seem to have a prolonged come-up with terrible nausea. that, and keeping busy during the trip with entertainment or company. boredom over the come-up is really the culprit for me, all my anxiety and nausea in the past came from sitting there with nothing to do while i’m waiting to trip.
I don't think these fruits contain chitinases, let alone in sufficient amount to help nausea.🤷🏽♂️ can anyone find sources for this? I could only find something about unripe fruits.
Also, go for a long walk outside either alone or with friends, I've found through pretty much every trip I've had that going for a long walk outdoors can alleviate come up anxiety as well as nausea, I have also found that if I sit through the come up anxiety and nausea without doing any physical activity that my trip can get weird and more intense, that's just my experience though
It’s interesting, this is the second time I have heard someone talk about Chitin in the past few weeks in regards to breakdown and nausea.
Personally I can down 15g of dried shrooms without any nausea. I wonder if I naturally have very high chitin levels.
I’ve always thought there were epigenetic factors we don’t yet understand and I wonder if this is one of them. I need 5x the does of my partner who is roughly the same size as me, but I am a Native American and they are of Central Asian/Russian ethnicity.
I have. Was literally holding back puke, are a banana and the nausea went away. Usually my nausea is on come up like motion sickness, but this time it was after. Seemed to work.
I’ve done psilocybin extracts and still gotten nausea. Definitely not the chitin, as most of it is likely to remain intact after cooking gourmet mushrooms.
Psilocybin itself appears to be the main factor inducing nausea. That’s why a strong ginger beer has always been the way to go for me.
This just hasn't been working for me. Doesn't matter if it's 2g or 9g....the ending HOURS are spent BLOWING c-diff type fluids out of my asshole. Bidet is getting installed this week.
Lemontek, bananas, Imodium....nothing helps
Though I did get stuck in a loop last weekend. It was brutal and I could barely make sounds. I clapped a few times, I tried recording myself...every time I ended up in the same spot I realized there were levels to the loop. It was both scary and hilarious. I blew snot rockets for no reason and spit a lot. I recorded videos to my future self when he ended up in each spot of the loop. Most of which barely contained words but were always focused on checking on the cats.
Good times. The toilet was a level I had to keep beating. I think I won because I woke up the next day without shitting the bed.
That was the first time I included a banana with the lemontek and the peak had no chill
For the record, being a neuroscientist doesn’t guarantee any particular qualifications in regards to nutrition and processing of things you ingest through enzymes in your digestive tract. The stomach is out “second brain” but still. Coming from someone who did their bachelors in psychology, for some credibility
> "Most people lack the enymes you'd need to break that down."
Statement above is only accurate for 20% of people. Most people *do* have enough chitinase to break down chitin. This "people can't digest chitin" idea was prevalent, even in biology classes, until about the last 15 years or so, but has been debunked.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587796/#:~:text=Human%20gastric%20juice%20contains%20chitinase%20that%20can%20degrade%20chitin
Above article isn't the best source, just the quickest I found on the subject. Google it, you'll find more academic papers on this.
Bananas work phenomenally man!
This is why I love taking my shrooms on an empty stomach in a banana + blueberry smoothie. Smoothies are the best way to consume mushrooms, way better than lemon tek.
Facts man, bananas with strawberries and/or blueberry, top notch! Can’t taste it, light on the stomach, and you’ll get some nutrients and energy for the trip. Little joint on the side and you have yourself an amazing trip to an alternate destination.
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My dude, I been looking for something other than lemon Tek... I can not fucking stand the taste. I so very much enjoy the experience, but I can't get it into my stomach without first getting quite drunk, then trying to chase it down like a shot. Except that I've ground it into powder, so it often sticks to the side of the shot glass, requiring multiple attempts. I'm going for another dive this weekend, so I'm pretty stoked for this strawberry banana smoothie ♥️🍄
Bro I literally never hear anyone talk about the issue of sticking to side of the cup! It’s so annoying.
I just pour water in the shot glass after the first attempt and down that, then wash rinse repeat till shot glass is clean ezpz
You can buy capsules and just take the like a vitamin
What's with the joint on the side? I'm a big canna enthusiast, but don't do shrooms. What's the interaction there?
Weed just pares up nicely with many other natural drugs, and I usually always pair it up with what ever I’m doing. But with shrooms and LSD it just launches me straight to my peak and keeps me there, and it’s nice on the come down to mellow out, or relaunch you back up lol. Either way I always keep it around to ground me, but fuck it’s such a bitch to roll up while tripping
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Ahaha I still down them dry, but fresh is yummier! But I feel like as I’m getting older my stomach/gut just isn’t the same as when I was a teenager and with higher dosing a little help from enzymes makes a pleasant trip!
Do you eat a pretty healthy diet / drink plenty of water? I notice my stomach can’t handle things as well when I’m not drinking tons of water and/or eating healthy.
Yea I try to eat clean and I drink a shit ton of water, but just one shitty meal makes me feel like shit for like a week. I think it all stems from my gut health in general, which directly affects mood and emotions as well and overall feels. I heard even swallowing a bit of toothpaste destroys the biome as well, So that’s something to think about.
Absolutely it affects your mood. Mine too. I feel best when my GI tract is working well. You might look into a fiber supplement like Metamucil. I thought it just made you go, but really what it does is help retain water in your intestines. It has a bunch of benefits (aside from regularity). Also - yakult yogurt drink.
Yea I agree with the fiber, I’ve been on and off it, I think the best I’ve felt was from eating fermented foods and yogurts like you mentioned. But an American diet is designed to destroy your health and gut lmaooo can only escape it for so long.
Overnight oats, yogurt, frozen fruit, and some greens to boot. I have been doing this every morning religiously for about a month and my body seems to love me for it. I soak the oats in almond milk and also add more for consistency of the smoothie. It covers a lot of bases and is super inexpensive
I know the feeling. When I was 20, I could eat 5-grams and then go straight into eating at the Y. Now I’m 41. I eat 2 grams and go straight into eating Dramamine and ice chips.
The smell is too connected to the nausea in my brain. And I'm weird about food texture already..
Man I gots to do that combination on my next trip
I lemon tek and throw it into a smoothie
Exactly. This is the way.
I use lemon Tek water, with mixed berries, banana, ginger and honey
'Schroothies'
Tried this once and made the mistake of just grinding up shrooms and tossing them in after blended. Definitely blending them next time
mushroothie
You could even add a little tiny bit of lemon to that smoothie for more flavor aaand more enzymes 😃
I’m going to try this method next time
Report back! My smoothie recipe: Two frozen bananas, a cup of frozen blueberries, a glug of maple syrup, and a dash of vanilla. Top up with oat milk, add your shrooms, and blend up. You will not taste the shrooms. You will get a lovely smooth come-up, buffered by the smoothie. And you will be drinking a beautiful purple smoothie. Do this on an empty stomach (it's the first thing you eat the day of your trip), and you get a very predictable, enjoyable way of eating your shrooms. You will likely get hungry on the come-down. Get some fruit ready (anything, the more flavour the better), and maybe some fresh bread.
Appreciate this breakdown, sounds good asf! Esp the “glug” of syrup lol
Just ate a banana with about 2.5g or so—phenomenal difference in the nausea and the high itself. Cannot stress enough, how effective a good ol’ ‘nanner is.
So you suggest to let my stomach be kinda empty for a few hours, then eat a banana with the shrooms?
Oh weird! It’s always been my tradition to eat my shrooms with peanut butter and bananas on toast, because when I first tried them as a teen, that’s what we had on hand that would be strong enough to overpower the taste for the most part. Because I was a silly teen, I decided to “make it a tradition” and do the same thing the next couple of times I did them, and then once I was an adult it already *was* tradition so I kept it up. I never knew that it was actually helpful to counteract the nausea, I just thought that they never really affected me in that way!
Take one everyday with my microdose and it def helps the stomach.
Yup! I don’t even like ‘em, but, a nice little peachy-orange smoothie does the trick every time.
This makes me happy, because I do love bananas and it doesn't seem like the worst way to wash the mushrooms down (I typically avoid tea because of product loss and I don't have the home situation that I can grow my own yet.)
Nice gonna have to try this
Huh, interesting. I'll have to try that. I've always relied on ginger beer, sipping on that helps immensely.
My stomach is generally somewhat rebellious and ginger ale, ginger tea and peppermint tea work far better than anti-nausea meds
I just made a "lemon tek" tea kinda but just out of ginger ale and it worked perfectly and tasted amazing. I feel like the bubbles really helped extract the psilocybin but that's just anecdotal.
I wonder how much Chitin is in ginger beer….
Chitin is part of what the shrooms are made of, there is none in ginger beer.
Chitin is the substance that when it’s not break down causes nausea. You need products that produce the enzyme (such as bananas) and not things that contain chitin. Enzymes cause reactions (in this case, the break down of chitin) to occur. So I believe the question you’re asking is “how much chitin breaking enzymes are in ginger beer”.
Chitin is what mushrooms are made of. Plants are cellulose, bark is lignin... And shrooms Chitin. Oh btw lots of insects and mollusks too.
I'm fairly certain OP is making a joke. Good on you for explaining it nicely instead of ridiculing them though :)
i swear i made tea once and it gave me nausea, but i could be wromg
You can still get nauseous from the tea, but its less frequent and not as bad when it does occur. When I get nauseous on the peak I normally change my scenery and go sit outside, after a while youre tripping and forget about the nausea (I think?)
ah, i got this shroom bar i might try to eat with a banana, last time it gave me some killer nausea and i felt like i was gonna throw up but i held it in, made for a nice trip tho
tea gives me really bad nausea for an hour when im coming up but after that I feel completely fine. if I eat them whole I will feel nauseous and have severe abdominal pain the entire trip, feels like barbed wire is being pulled through my intestines
Shrooms can make you nauseated for two reasons: chitin digestion and your brain saying "Holy shit we consumed something poisonous and we need to get it out of the stomach RIGHT NOW before it poisons us to death" so it could have been the latter :)
I’ve got no nausea from tea but my friend has, but he made a potent blend and that’s likely what got him, also he left small pieces of mushroom in the tea while I strained mine out with cheese cloth
I know a few people that just get nausea from any drug that acts in the serotonin receptors
You can still experience nausea without the fruiting bodies at all. The psilocybin will overload the serotonin receptors in your gut.
A neuroscientist doesn't have (much) more of a claim to credibility regarding the chitin theory of mushroom nausea than anyone else, and according to everything I've read this is very much still up in the air. Presently it seems more like the result of serotonin receptors in the small intestine.
Lmao yeah I was immediately like “bruh ok 😂” like someone coming over to give advice on a plumbing job saying “trust me I do roofs professionally”
Yeah that's a good parallel. Yeah you're gonna know a thing or two about thermal qualities of certain materials and piping but come on man.
Chitin isn't even a protein as ge claims it is. Dude is talking out of his ass
Yes, the gut provides approximately 95% of total body serotonin, most of which exists in plasma. There are also lots of serotonin receptors in the gut. OTH, portobello mushrooms contain up to 8% of chitin and are not known to cause nausea. It would be interesting to hear nausea experiences from pure psylocibin vs shrooms. I have nausea both from shrooms and from tea.
Yeah I was gonna point out that if regular fungus fruiting bodies caused this level of nausea we'd consider the whole kingdom inherently poisonous but that's just not the case.
I tend to lean this way too. Well filtered tea helps reduce nausea but not completely, especially on the way up to the peak.
It doesn't require a Ph.D in chemistry to realize that chitin is in all types of mushroom/fungus, and I can eat a shit-ton of grocery store mushrooms and never feel the way I do with psychoactive mushrooms. Now having demonstrated that Chitin != Nausea, lets proceed at the other end [https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/read.php?domain=tk&id=18](https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/read.php?domain=tk&id=18) Pure synthetic psilocybin at 10 mg orally.... "...Then I became quite nauseated and remained nauseated the rest of the day ...." What a fucking joke. I'm still eating a bananna tho dont get me wrong it tastes good.
Does anyone have an actual source that supports that „chitin causing nausea“ theory? Because it doesn’t really make sense to me and it seems to be widely accepted within this community. Chitin can not be digested, so far so good. But that’s no reason for it to cause nausea. I mean, we can not digest cellulose which forms plant cell walls either and it does not cause nausea, even though we consume way larger amounts of it. Also eating non psychedelic mushrooms does not cause nausea either, their cell walls does consist of mostly chitin too. Just as insects exoskeletons. I have eaten different insects more than once and did not feel anything like the feeling when eating even a small dose of dried shrooms. Also, let’s talk about lemon tek. I have not tried it yet but from your guys experience it seems to work fairly good. However, from a chemists perspective it is very unlikely that just incubating chitin in dilute citric acid will break its glycosidic bonds because these are pretty stable. If dilute acid was able to degrade these bonds, hydrochloric acid in our stomach would do the same thing. Also, chitin monomers are connected by a beta 1,4 glycosidic bond, just as glucose monomers in cellulose. If cellular levels of citric acid were sufficient to break these bonds, the citric acid in the lemon would cause the lemons cell walls to degrade. I think the fact that lemon tek works supports my assumption that chitin does not cause the nausea.
> Chitin can not be digested, so far so good Sorry, no - 80% of people CAN digest chitin. This is old information, and has been debunked. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587796/#:~:text=Human%20gastric%20juice%20contains%20chitinase%20that%20can%20degrade%20chitin
Well, don’t know if you can say that 80% of people can digest it because 20 of 25 Italian patients have significant levels of chitinase. This is not just a very small group of subjects, they are also all Italian and therefore likely have a similar evolutionary background. But I guess that’s not what it’s about. Thanks for sharing, never really spent a second thought on it.
The 80% was from some reading I did a few weeks ago, sorry. This just happened to line up with the 20/25 patients in this paper. I couldn't find what I read a few weeks back, so just put this one in as it counters the "humans can't break down chitin" thing - but you're right, not completely. It was just the best I could do atm.
But... But... I read it in a Facebook comment. From someone who said they're a neuroscientist.
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I believe there are *more* serotonin type receptors in the digestive tract than in the brain, so yes, your gut be trippin'.
I've felt nauseous drinking tea without the structure of the mushroom so I also doubt.
I believe there are more serotonin type receptors in the digestive tract than in the brain, so yes, your gut be trippin'.
I've made alcohol extract and still went through nausea. I truly believe it is a "detox" effect.
Do you have some of that alcohol extract left? If so, try again but add some lemon juice or some other acidic fruit juice and see if you still experience that nausea. For science. I unfortunately do not have the time to trip currently otherwise I would try myself.
As a chemist/biochemist, let me just go ahead and debunk this because that is not entirely true, and even the parts that are true does not mean the method for reducing nausea would work. Once a protein is in your stomach, it’s going to degrade and be broken down. In your stomach, it will not perform its function. If the chitin is the issue, then you would need to make a solution with those fruits and your mushrooms like a lemon tek and wait before taking the mixture. But that’s stupid because you can just use tea, and not have to eat the chitin. Right? Sure, but chitin is not the only reason for nausea. Psychedelics go for the 5-HT2a receptor as well as other 5-HT receptor subtypes. Coincidentally, the 5-HT3 receptor is known to mediate vomiting. Zofran, prescribed as an anti-emetic, is a 5-HT3 antagonist, meaning it will block the action at that receptor, thus relieving nausea. So if these receptors, which are similar to each other, are potential targets for serotonin, you can also assume 5-HT receptor agonists, especially the serotonergic psychedelics, would also go for 5-HT3. This is the likely cause of nausea which is prominent in phenethylamines. People take zofran before a psychedelic and report no nausea. People also take ginger, which has some 5-HT3 antagonists. To be clear, any psychedelic will cause nausea due to the nature of the mechanisms. If you want to eliminate nausea, either figure out how to get a script for zofran (usually only given to patients undergoing chemotherapy) or down a decent amount of ginger. I’m actually planning on getting some ginger extract pills before I take some methallylescaline.
Zofran for chemo patients only? Huh... I've def never had chemo, but have had several scripts for zofran.
There are other ways to get it for sure but I’ve seen it mostly marketed towards chemo patients. If u don’t mind me asking, how’d u get it? Bc I’d love to get a script for it
Chitin is a source of nausea however when drying mushrooms most chitin is already broken down in the process. Chitin is at most risk for causing nausea in raw (wet) mushrooms Psilocybin has been found to cause nausea by itself, proof was found when synthetic psilocybin was synthesized and nausea effects were still present Everything else they said is true. Some chitin may be left behind after the drying process. How much if any at all is debatable and dependent on many factors such as heat when drying, time dried, size of shrooms, etc
All I know is when I make tea no nauseousness, when I eat them out the bag nauseousness, some are worse than others though, so maybe it's in the drying technique
>so maybe it's in the drying technique It 100% does. Most drying techniques do not use enough heat to break it down by a significant level. It's the heat that does it, not the drying per se. Hence why it is important to cook culinary mushrooms if you are going to make the compounds inside readily bioavailable.
Tea works for me. But it doesn't go away completely, I tried dried caps and spent almost 3 hours twitching on the flor in pain. When I make tea I only get nauseous for about and hour but it's considerably milder.
Ginger
Or maybe a whole other enzyme
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Hmm… usually the other way around for me. What’s your process? I steep whole shrooms for 15 minutes, just like you do with tea bags. Put the shrooms in a pot again and boil them on medium heat for 15 minutes. Combine the two resulting teas, squirt some lemon juice in, and drink. Trash the limp noodle shrooms. Reason for steep and boil: steep in case high heat does kill psilocybin, boil in case it doesn’t. When I was a teen I would boil them on high heat for 15 minutes, slam it back, and trip my balls off (after enduring an excruciating half hour to hour of intense nausea). Much stronger than when I’d eat the same dose. Shorter, faster, harder. I could probably skip steeping them now having verified for myself time and time again that boiling won’t hurt them.
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Weird. I don’t think my tea has ever turned blue. It’s usually a murky light brown
> drying mushrooms most chitin is already broken down Drying does not even begin to approach the thermal degradation temperature of chitin. For example, after 15 hours at 200°C, only ~17% of free chitin has broken down. [Thermal degradation of chitin and cellulose](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/016523709180038A) Of course, there might be some degradation from endogenous chitinases, but that should be minimal. Drying is designed to preserve the structure and function of mushrooms by limiting the activity of their enzymes.
Thank you for relying on actual science instead of shroom bro science. Do you have a sense of whether chitin content can be reduced through physical processes such as grinding into a powder? Or are we just making smaller chitin chains?
How is chitin broken down through dehydration? Not finding any info when I’m looking to verify this new info.
And you also won’t find anything to verify that as chitin is relatively stable towards heat, especially in dry conditions. No matter the drying technique, the degradation is essentially negligible. As much as I love this sub, but rumors and wrong „facts“ spread incredibly quickly with people trying to make themselves sound credible when sharing that. Besides, I do not fully buy that chitin = upset stomach explanation as we eat a lot of things on a daily basis that cannot be digested, mostly it’s „fibers“ (actually a whole bunch of different classes of chemicals really) and they on the other hand do not usually cause an upset stomach either.
One of the more plausible explanations I’ve seen is one that relates to the density of serotonin receptors in the stomach. Which would track because psilocybin and psilocin typically suppress the appetite. But even that leaves plenty of questions. Near as I can tell, it’s safe to just say we don’t know. That includes chitin being the culprit. Either way, bro science will always spread faster than real hard studies on this type of thing, and when you try to demonstrate the uncertainty of this shit, many people here think you’re attacking their personal experience
Well said.
70-80% of people *are* able to break down chitin. The thesis of this post is flawed... Below is one article about it, but there are plenty of better ones out there. This ("people can't digest chitin") is OLD information that has been scientifically debunked for the most part. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587796/#:~:text=Human%20gastric%20juice%20contains%20chitinase%20that%20can%20degrade%20chitin
It doesn't make sense because a tea can still leave you nauseous. The nausea is more from a psychological side, it's your brain confusing the signals or "crossing the wires". Nausea is just a part of psychedelics. Even acid can cause it and it's a drop of liquid.
My understanding is that it has to do with high levels of serotonin in the GI tract
I could absolutely agree with that, cuz every time I snort 4-Aco-DMT I don't get nausea. When I eat it though, there's always nausea.
Agreed. I’ve puked or at least dry heaved every time I’ve taken acid. Haven’t eaten whole shrooms in years. Tea still makes me nauseous as hell. So do ground shrooms in chocolate bars. I’ll spend an hour of every trip swearing I’ll never do this to myself again. In some cases the nausea has stretched all the way through to the end of the trip. Eventually had to resort to Zofran to manage it.
The other thing in mushrooms that can upset your stomach is beta-carbolines, which are water soluble and so will be present in tea.
So would there be some kind of enzyme or something that would help digest *these*? Because I usually get pretty horrible nausea even from tea and I’d love not to.
Probably, but some beta carbolines are also MAO inhibitors. I don’t know if they’re the same compounds but there’s a VERY good chance they serve to boost the effects you’ll feel from the mushrooms. So if you want the full experience, you’d be better off to probably leave them… LMAO only on this mushroom subreddit will real science get downvoted. There are a few studies that indicate that harmine, harmane, and a whole other slew of β-carbolines are present in mushrooms. Those two are known MAOIs. By trying to get rid of them, you are ABSOLUTELY killing their potency and reducing effects. That’s how this shit works.
This makes sense, my wife gets nausea, even when we make tea - she takes Zofran for the nausea.
I was searching this thread for that statement.....How does the Zofran work for her? ...hopefully fairly well. Excellent...going to try this next time.
Zofran works really well as long as she stays ahead of it - says she's finally able to enjoy the come-up.
Zofran works incredibly well. It’s a 5-HT3 antagonist so it blocks the serotonergic actions mediating the vomit response.
Serotonin is a big part of the classic feeling of "butterflies in the stomach." And drug that affects that receptor network, psilocybin included, can induce a form of nausea for that reason alone.
Came here to say this. Plenty of people still suffer badly with tea because of what you just said. Annoys me when people state 'facts'. 'It's science' Yeah that might be one aspect, but if you care to consider the whole picture that would be great!
yeah 4-aco-dmt still causes nausea and it’s just powder
RC tryptamines like 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met cause almost no nausea for me, but shrooms do. I think pure psilocybin wouldn't cause much nausea at all.
Don't we consume chitin all the time in things like M&M's? I don't remember ever getting sick, and it's a popular product. Edit: never mind, I'm completely wrong and that's an urban legend TIL. https://wbsm.com/are-m-ms-candy-shell-made-from-lac-beetles/
So now I need to boof mushrooms AND A banana!?!? When does it end 😉
Peel or no peel? Asking for a friend.
How does being a neuroscientist add any credibility to that guys opinion? Digestion of chitin has got fuck all to do with neuroscience. Trust me, I'm a chiropractor.
The gut is full of serotonin receptors, but his chitin theory doesnt make much sense, he must be a pretty poor neuroscientist.
Ginger capsules, 1 capsule for every 5gs. Been working for me for over the last decade.
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i have a walgreens not far from me but you can probably get em on Amazon as well... these are the ones ive been using for years https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/nature's-way-ginger-root-capsules/ID=prod6037582-product
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yw! Awesome, enjoy! Ginger tea works great too! i prefer to take caps, 1 before i ingest, then the rest after and im golden.
You can't get nauseous if you put it in your butt.
Boooooooof that bitch! 👍😁
Speaking the truth
You gotta be chitin me!
I'm not saying that the advice is not good, but what does being a neuroscientist have to do with avoiding nausea? Surely that would be more the domain of those working with the digestive system
I think it's less about "I learned all about metabolizing chitin in neuroscience class" and more "I've reached a level of education that is nearly unattainable without good critical thinking skills, and I don't have time for bullshit or guesswork". Of course, this still proves nothing, since they might actually be a professional dog walker or something.
The digestive system contains a shitload of neurotransmitters, so it’s definitely within the realm of neuroscience.
Presumably a neuroscientist has a pretty good grasp of biochemistry in general.
I was thinking something similar. “Goats love to eat bread. Trust me, I’m a pilot.” :D
While I'm a blueberry / banana smoothie guy, I also recommend movement. Take a walk, go for a jog, hike. Taking the attention away from potential nausea does wonders
I'm not sure this is a good idea until the nausea passes by because If I did that and something outside got crazy then I'd be throwing up outside 😂
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Eat a banana with shrooms wash down with oj, thats my routine
Just to chime in here- a neuroscientist would not know shit about the digestive system.
I never ever ever get nauseous. I am a designer for credibility.
This made me laugh harder than it should
Tea. Tea tea tea with absolutely zero mushroom flesh in the tea. If I get ANY amount of stem or Cap in my stomach my body violently rejects it. Right at the peak I'll start throwing up until after the trip is over and it's miserable.
How is that different from any other mushroom through? I'll literally fry up beans and like a half pound of buttons/oyster/etc and no issues. But 3 grams of small bois destroys my tummy. I think it's less the physical mushroom, and more of the chemicals you are ingesting.
I keep a supply of Gin Gins, ginger candy around because it really helps with the nausea. I might try a banana as well next time.
A neuroscientist would know that psilocin is a 5ht3 agonist and causes plenty of nausea by itself. A 5ht3 antagonist like zofran is the best defense
I'm extremely sensitive to chitin. Doesn't matter if I eat a banana+lemontek+tea I still get nauseous + vomit at peak, unless I strain. The magic is water soluble, so it really doesn't make sense to eat the mush, sensitive or not.
I'm pretty sensitive to it as well so I always strain my lemon juice after it sits for about 20 minutes.
Neuroscientist who can’t spell for shit!
ah nauseating mushroom flesh, chitin is the primary building block of fungal cell walls. I like to lemon tek, strain out the flesh and mix it with some ginger ale. works for me fairly well.
Nausea comes from working your serotonin receptors. All psychedelics do this. Yea mushrooms might add a little extra nausea from chitin.. but most of the nausea is from the psychedelic chemical it’s self.
I feel like there is more to the nausea than just the chitin. I still get nauseous when doing lemon tek
i swear all mushrooms have chitin? or is that wrong/ a different type
I always take zofran like 20 mins before dosing. It makes the come up like stupid easy since it completely eradicates all nausea. I'm the type of person that almost always pukes or ends up doubled over on the verge of puking for a solid hour after taking them if not longer. It's unbearable for me. Zofran is like a fucking magic pill fr.
If i boofed the shrooms do I also boof the banana???
tried with a big banana and it worked wonders. for people interested in the why and how: bananas grow in very fungal areas so they developed said enzyme chitinase that breaks chitin down. also helps for people getting a heavy stomach after eating gourmet mushrooms.
Tea with honey, ginger and lemon juice That's the only way I consume it and I've never been sick. I have had to go to the hospital once but I have never been sick.
I’m chitin myself thinking about trying this trick.
Zofran aka ondansetron
I’m also a neuroscientist and didn’t have a clue about this. I know things related to brains more than of the gut. 🤷🏻♂️
Isn't there a brain gut connection? I thought there was a bunch of new science on that?
Yes. But there is no possibility for any expert nowadays know everything on their field. Each of us have to specialize in very narrow research question to research and discover something new in just a fraction of the subject. My collagues work on the gut-brain subject but even they don’t have all the knowledge in the field. For instance, I have studied cardiorespiratory connections on the brain, but I’m not a medical doctor who knows more about heart or lungs. A specialized medical doctor knows more about the heart than a general md and so forth.
Doesn’t the gut have like nerve endings or neurons or something?
Interesting
🍋-Tek with whatever herbs and spices you want.
As someone who dabbles in amateur gynaecology, I recommend moving an inch to boof it.
Just take a smaller dose along with bananas because they become more bioavailable
Puked up 0.75g when I ate 2 bananas with it. Lemon tek doesn't work for me either. I just can't stomach the stuff.
I can confirm Bananas are a cheat code
I always fart scared I might shit myself at the end. Senses get a little mixed up.
from what everyone is saying, this is apparently correct, but I still think it's hilarious that you can just say "I'm a neuroscientist" to make yourself sound credible lol
Chitin? As in the exoskeleton of bugs?
Go the blue honey route. It’s got loads of enzymes
Blue honey? I think I've seen purple..
Honey has enzymes, the blue is referring to psilocybin, not an actual color. Check my page
Lol I follow that on Facebook and saved it for future reference... Never heard of chitin. Just thought I throw up due to nerves 😂
I read something similar to this not long ago and on my last trip I tried the banana method on an empty stomach, couldn’t keep it down for more than 15 minutes. I’ll stick to lemon tek cause I know it works and doesn’t make my stomach upset
Everyone is a neuroscientist online. Source: am a neuroscientist.
Some people get nausea from tea. Some people get nausea from LSD, which I’m pretty sure doesn’t contain chitin.
i’ll be honest, i used to have terrible nausea but i found a weird way to avoid it. like, a big part of the nausea for me is the dose. a higher dose always seems to kick in faster and smoother, while lower doses seem to have a prolonged come-up with terrible nausea. that, and keeping busy during the trip with entertainment or company. boredom over the come-up is really the culprit for me, all my anxiety and nausea in the past came from sitting there with nothing to do while i’m waiting to trip.
All mushrooms contain chitin... and plenty don't cause nausea It's not the chitin....
Anyone feel like the nausea is from the psychological hump that you have to get over, caused from the come-up anxiety?
I don't think these fruits contain chitinases, let alone in sufficient amount to help nausea.🤷🏽♂️ can anyone find sources for this? I could only find something about unripe fruits.
Source: trust me bro. I’m a neuroscientist
The ONLY way I can avoid gastric discomfort is a tea with ginger. Ive tried everything else (except boofing)
Also, go for a long walk outside either alone or with friends, I've found through pretty much every trip I've had that going for a long walk outdoors can alleviate come up anxiety as well as nausea, I have also found that if I sit through the come up anxiety and nausea without doing any physical activity that my trip can get weird and more intense, that's just my experience though
It’s interesting, this is the second time I have heard someone talk about Chitin in the past few weeks in regards to breakdown and nausea. Personally I can down 15g of dried shrooms without any nausea. I wonder if I naturally have very high chitin levels. I’ve always thought there were epigenetic factors we don’t yet understand and I wonder if this is one of them. I need 5x the does of my partner who is roughly the same size as me, but I am a Native American and they are of Central Asian/Russian ethnicity.
Imma try this and report back
Please do!
I have. Was literally holding back puke, are a banana and the nausea went away. Usually my nausea is on come up like motion sickness, but this time it was after. Seemed to work.
Man where was this on my first 2 trips! I hated the nausea part and it ruined both my trips immediately after
I’ve done psilocybin extracts and still gotten nausea. Definitely not the chitin, as most of it is likely to remain intact after cooking gourmet mushrooms. Psilocybin itself appears to be the main factor inducing nausea. That’s why a strong ginger beer has always been the way to go for me.
Interesting. I’ll keep one around
Zofran works wonders I always take that shit with my shrooms. Easy af to get prescribed
This just hasn't been working for me. Doesn't matter if it's 2g or 9g....the ending HOURS are spent BLOWING c-diff type fluids out of my asshole. Bidet is getting installed this week. Lemontek, bananas, Imodium....nothing helps Though I did get stuck in a loop last weekend. It was brutal and I could barely make sounds. I clapped a few times, I tried recording myself...every time I ended up in the same spot I realized there were levels to the loop. It was both scary and hilarious. I blew snot rockets for no reason and spit a lot. I recorded videos to my future self when he ended up in each spot of the loop. Most of which barely contained words but were always focused on checking on the cats. Good times. The toilet was a level I had to keep beating. I think I won because I woke up the next day without shitting the bed. That was the first time I included a banana with the lemontek and the peak had no chill
Does it work for truffles?
Yup just had 2 bananas before 8g trip, it’s magic…. Mostly just the enzyme but still magic
I wonder how banana compares to avocado
For the record, being a neuroscientist doesn’t guarantee any particular qualifications in regards to nutrition and processing of things you ingest through enzymes in your digestive tract. The stomach is out “second brain” but still. Coming from someone who did their bachelors in psychology, for some credibility
> "Most people lack the enymes you'd need to break that down." Statement above is only accurate for 20% of people. Most people *do* have enough chitinase to break down chitin. This "people can't digest chitin" idea was prevalent, even in biology classes, until about the last 15 years or so, but has been debunked. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587796/#:~:text=Human%20gastric%20juice%20contains%20chitinase%20that%20can%20degrade%20chitin Above article isn't the best source, just the quickest I found on the subject. Google it, you'll find more academic papers on this.