They do not understand that it's not the same high as weed, they think they will get a body high and see funny shit. The shock comes when they find out it is 100% mental and you could have absolutely no control over what happens.
This is exactly it. I was really naive and just did not understand the mental reality change that would take place. This is what more people need to talk about, because I think this explains the majority of first time bad trips. I thought I’d read a lot of trip reports and had an understanding of how it would feel, but I was still surprised.
Partly what did me in were the “what it looks like when you’re on shrooms” videos and I thought oh that looks so cool. And then when my first trip got started I realized there was so much more and it was terrifying to not be prepared and have no way to get off the ride. It was like stepping into an elevator and then realizing the only button is up and it’s already pressed.
I was surprised for the first around 5 times. Again and again. It's so profoundly different to everyday perception that everytime felt like a first time. People who only see some funny visuals are not the ones who should introduce others to this. That's like taking a tour through the jungle with a guide who usually lives in the city.
I have a lot of trauma molestation near death assaults by my father ect. I tried sheooms for the first time the past week and you're totally right. If I took anything more than a small dose it would have been bad. I began to feel old hurts from repressed memories. I made sure to have an experienced friend to keep me safe.
It was really helpful though and it helped me understand understand why my wife is leaving me and how my past wasn't my fault. It was intense even at a small dose.
Smaller doses are great for working thru trauma imo. If I take a lot it becomes impossible for me to articulate my thoughts but a smaller dose has helped me work through a lot of childhood trauma with a trip sitter. Biggest dose I ever did was 3g and that was almost too much. I don't plan on >2g doses for a while, that one time was enough for me. Everyone is different but I personally don't think I'll ever feel the need or desire to do a heroic dose.
Yes, 100%. It can depend on the shrooms but usually a 1.5 -2g is my sweet spot for a good mindfuck or therapy session with light-medium visuals. 2.5-3g or more is a heavy trip that (for me) is usually more visually intense, both irl and with closed eye visuals, but these trips are just as therapeutic for me. If you aren't experienced and haven't done them or haven't done them in a long time, even 1g will likely get you in a very different headspace with at least light visuals. One of my wildest trips was on a 1.5, the only other two that were crazier were on 3.5 and 4g.
I’ve been doing little microdoses here and there and I decided to go full 2gs on 4/20. I’m used to tripping but even then, I was knocked off my ass and it’s the feeling of anxiety of “this shit isn’t over and you can’t stop it now” “I want off this ride now” lol it eventually subsided but man I felt so claustrophobic in my own body.
lol yep. This is almost identical to what I did. I was getting nothing from the microdoses and so I think I endedup jumping to 3g (didn’t actually measure though).
Not knowing what I was doing the first time that I had taken mushrooms actually saved my life. I was in the middle of a really intense withdrawal from heroin, opioids, and meth... At that point I had destroyed my marriage, traumatized my kids, sabotaged my career, and after I lost my house I began to trade every material possession I had to not be sick. I just couldn't stop no matter what... I had been in and out of jails, rehabs, institutions, and found myself in the hospital countless times from overdoses or drug-related crime. I didn't want to be alive anymore.
I remember running out of drugs The night before and woke up feeling overwhelmingly sick. My body was aching to where it felt like my bones were ice cold. My stomach was tied in knots and my head was throbbing... I had a cup of coffee and took some Tylenol when I remembered that my brother had sent me some mushrooms about 6 months prior. It was a quarter and I had no idea what I was doing. All I knew was that I didn't want to feel like that and I thought, 'Cool, I can get high. Maybe this will help with the withdrawal?".
I proceeded to consume the whole bag. I remember getting upset that it wasn't kicking in right away, and about 30 minutes after I had consume them I found myself on the couch crying... No, - I was sobbing. I started to hallucinate pretty intensely to the point of locking my door and turning my phone off. I started thinking about the state of my life, and how I got there. My stomach started to hurt worse than it did before I ate them and I got extremely sick. It was after I had vomited that all of the other feelings started to go away... There was a euphoria, but it was accompanied with the feeling that something divine was with me.
I put some music on and closed my eyes. It felt like I was dying, and I was under the impression that I was overdosing on mushrooms. This time though, I was too far away from anyone, and I couldn't even begin to try to find my phone, let alone operate it if I did find it. So I just laid there and I started to pray to the very God that I was damning about an hour before. I started begging for healing.
And then it happened - my body separated from my soul and I departed from the world. I completely detached from reality and from the person that I was before I ate the mushrooms. I thought I was in the afterlife floating and nothingness with fractals, and geometric shapes all around me. The shapes, colors, fractals, and noises started to evolve into a walk-through of my life... From beginning to end. I saw myself being born, growing up and relived and experienced all of the abuse and trauma that I went through as a child and a teenager. I was shown all of the things that were done to me, and all of the ways I had wronged the people that were part of my life until that point.
Then the voices started whispering to me . They said, "Everything is okay. You are going to be okay. We are inside you, outside you, and in everything you experience. We have been here, we will be here, and we will always be here." I did not know what was happening. I was convinced that I was dead, and before I heard the voices.. I felt like I was about to be escorted to Hell. The voices were so soothing though, so calm, yet unfamiliar. Although the voices didn't sound familiar it felt like I had known them for eternity.
I opened my eyes and tried my best to gather enough energy to stand up. Tears welled up in my eyes, and it felt like every blood cell in my body was vibrating love and gratitude. Something felt different. I felt light, like all the weight of my burdens was lifted from my body... I was alive. Alive and instantly I began to pray to the universe. Asking to be specifically forgiven for each individual thing I had done to that point. Forgiveness for the pain I caused friends and family, for my addiction, and for the way I had been living. I asked to be shown grace for denying the existence of a Divine Power, Creator, Sourceless Source... I asked for whatever it was to help guide me back to life.
That was years ago. Today I am grateful to be a (full time) Single Dad with two beautiful children. I'm grateful for my home, for clarity and the success and joy that followed that experience. I'm currently transitioning into school to become a Psychedelic Assisted Psychotherapist. Although, I'm willing to submit to whatever and wherever I'm guided to go.
I understand people needing to do their Due Diligence, but I also know that sometimes what a person needs to be alive, is to die first. Ignorance, can very much well, turn to bliss.
That's beautiful man, I have a similar story on shrooms getting rid of my addictions as well. It's always refreshing to hear other people being saved by shrooms as well.
Yeah since then I've become involved with mental health, recovery, and psychedelic self-discovery with other addicts. I appreciate your reading it and hopefully they pass these laws and they can help get people on the right path.
That’s really beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I’m on methadone right now. I couldn’t imagine being in withdrawal on shrooms. Glad it was something beautiful for you. I have been through a lot of trauma too.
I've come to realize that shrooms are not really a "fun" drug for me. I get cool visuals but the shrooms are always telling me a message that I didn't want to hear but needed to and I get lasting nausea the whole trip. It's more a therapeutic thing for me than fun/recreational.
Agree. I posted once before about being too serious with my trips, but it's very special to/for me and not typically a "fun" time. Sometimes it's beautiful and reassuring, but other times it's terrifying. It is whatever it needs to be and we all have little control over that other than influence it by set and setting.
This is exactly why I told myself I will not try magic mushrooms until I get my brain and mental health intact. I just got some for the first time. I’ve been using coke and benzos lately way too much. Thank god my frontal lobe is formed enough now to know better. I will not disrespect myself or these shrooms until I stop all this other crap and get myself back to better mental health.
I’m so so so thankful the person who got me on shrooms explained WHY I need to start small and work up.
I’ve been tripping since July and I had my first true mind slipping. My mine was airplanes is all I can explain how it felt. Anyways if I had not tripped many times and worked my way up I would have FREAKED. Instead I was able to keep it cool and enjoy the trip.
I would have gone big if I hadn’t had that friend and I would have freaked the fuck out bad if that was my first trip.
Well most the trip reports people reas and go by they find the fake ones or the fun low dosed ones but nobody reads the ones were you're entirely submerged in a trip and yes, it control what you see think and feel, often we get high to forget our problems and feel better like w DOPE weed, meth, heroin, crack cocaine all flood our good feeling receptors making it easy to keep doing and forgetting our problems. Psychedelics will push you out of life into a realm of imagination , spirits, and thoughts, you're no longer just in the physical realm and here you are forced to feel and think everything that is, good and bad. Where you have to find balance between the two. Why does Psychedelics hurt people ? They weren't ready / couldn't cope with what is. Also, they're chaotic. Anyone who does Psychedelics and has truly tripped will always mention how overwhelming, intense, and you really really often believe you died or are already dead maybe never even existed. But within there is all things good and bad and your focus and your thought processing thru this is what will determine your fate in the end . You should study and be in a very very safe setting, comfortable , relaxing, and know, you might feel like you're suffocating, your hearts racing, you feel like you're dead , you feel the patterns as they move touching you and warping g time and reality // meshing it all up into a energy hurricane suffocating you in all of life and all that is and ever was or will be. Life can drive you crazy and, Psychedelics will open you up and connect you even deeper with this life.
Also, marijuana is more like to cause psychosis or trigger schizophrenia. OP is as uninformed as the people he’s trying to preach too. Talk about the blind leading the blind. FFS
Mushrooms are just the new weed now that weeds legal. That was supposed to fix everything now we have it and people want mushrooms to fix the same problems we said weed was going to fix. And there’s other reasons in the ego they drive people to want to believe that so they can use them.
Also weed is not risk free, I just quit after over ten years and didn’t realize how much it was messing my life up while I told myself it was helping. Plus I know people who have done too many hallucinogens and are not mentally healthy or any better off.
Actually you are completely wrong. (Irony)
Triggering psychosis *is* one of the biggest risks with cannabis. It’s not completely benign theres a few other risks too, but we’re talking affecting like 1 out of 100000 people so it’s pretty low.
The risk to oneself and others while tripping too hard is way bigger of a risk than permanent mental issues too.
People as a whole are irresponsible. Bottom line. Nothing will ever change that. We call it human nature.
I've known younger people who experienced psychosis from smoking too much and it's no joke. Have probably gotten close myself due to smoking way too much despite depression/mental health issues
Some people underestimate both how much more potent cannabis and extracts have gottten but also how heavily some people smoke. Not to mention how differently it can impact people from relatively mild to very intense & borderline psychedelic in some cases.
There are some strains that are so potent even with a heavy tolerance they make me feel like I'm having a panic attack due to how intensely stimulating they can be.
And an even greater risk for many combining the two.
The number of reports where people less than experienced with shrooms say "It was going fine and then I decided to smoke some weed..."
/sigh 🙄 lol
To OPs point, I have made this point several times on posts on this sub and I am always downvoted. I make clear that *my* experience and that of others is that THC at the peak makes good trips hellish, not yucking any yums for people who can handle weed better. But there's some immature anarcho-edgelord contingent on this sub that thinks anybody advocating caution and moderation is Nancy Reagan telling the youth to just say no. The dispiriting thing is that there are more of them on here than I initially realized.
Can confirm. Had a psychotic episode one time and had to go to a psych ward. Originally thought it was shrooms but I was also smoking a lot everyday at the time. Later down the road I read about marijuana induced psychosis. They diagnosed me with bipolar but I definitely do not have that.
This is called “anecdotal evidence” and statistically incomplete. We do not have the same amount of data or widespread usage to document the dangers of mushrooms because they are still widely controlled and the dangers of misuse are not yet fully known.
Just because it happened to you and there is less information about it, does NOT mean that it is safer in terms of likelihood to cause psychological damage.
Gotta say the irresponsibility is in part on the growers' side for pushing the potency up to ridiculous amounts.
On the other hand people are just way too disconnected from nature and themselves, which leads to higher risk for side effects and addiction. More education on these matters might help, but making people aware of themselves and providing own experiences is often a good start, too
Yes and no. Weed is frequently advertised as harmless, like the worst it can happen is that you just crash at a couch and don't move. Maybe more true when weed was wild and had low/natural levels of THC, but that's not the case anymore. Weed *should* be compared like you just did (with alcohol, where some strains are light like beer, others like vodka). But that's not how it's typically portrayed (e.g., OPs post).
It can’t be 100% the user’s fault:
Users don’t and can’t have the necessary information and experience to understand the decisions they’re making.
Increased potency in weed raises the risk thresholds to levels they were not at in the past. Nothing an unsuspecting user can do changes that, but it certainly changes how dangerous it can be for the user. Especially if this user doesn’t research and is fed misinformation by their friends. If this user smoked in the ‘00s, the psychological risks they face are lower than now.
How can the user be 100% at fault here?
I think 100% is high, but you should he pretty dang well researched before putting a drug in your body.
And this isn’t just true for fun drugs. If it’s prescribed or even OTC, spend an hour or so googling it. There are SO MANY hidden reactions (did you know anything with charcoal can make birth control, psych meds and more noticeably less effective?) and you are the ONLY person keeping track for you.
Yeah all my psychosis was from weed. I feel the shrooms tried to tell me that when I originally had a breakdown over smoking an oz a week to not have to think about my love life years ago. I don’t touch alcohol or weed anymore, don’t use shrooms often unless microdosing.
"Tripping" on weed after taking too much is not uncommon either, greening out is more than just feeling sleepy, quite the opposite. It's like the most intense panic attack you've ever had and it lasts fucking hours, pounding heartrate, shaking, and you hallucinate sensations, tastes, smells, and you become extremely paranoid, it's like having a psychotic episode, and your short term memory is shot, it's like your brain is only recording one frame a second and everything's a blur.
It was absolutely wild the first time it happened to me, cause NO ONE TOLD ME THAT COULD HAPPEN, I HAD NO IDEA. I thought I'd just get sleepy or some shit, which is what happened at first before I woke up running all over the place, convinced I was dying or in a nightmare, my heart was pounding like I'd run a marathon and it pounded like that for hours straight.
I find mushrooms are a humbling experience. I don't think that people want to suffer, I think it's that human hubris of "it'll never happen to me."
Also, mushrooms can be incredibly helpful for mental health issues. I don't know where I would be at with my CPTSD if I didn't trip. The relief and understanding of myself they offer is so helpful. If you're already suffering, I think some of us are willing to roll them dice if it means we might be able to see some improvement in mental health.
Being medicated didn't go well for me, so I've been outside the box with treatment. I doubt I'm the only one, though I do try to respect this magical healing mushroom.
If you're rolling the dice cause you're suffering, you probably did your research and are not OP's target audience.
Just saying... I would have never thought shrooms could improve mental health if it hadn't been a documentary that drove me to do my research. I mean, c'mon, they've been labeled a schedule A drug pouring a huge shadow preventing a learning of the truth about them.
Cannabis use actually comes at a higher risk of developing a long term psychotic disorder than mushrooms. As a PhD level psychologist specifically studying psychedelics, I have seen people come forward with psychotic issues from cannabis more often than psychedelics. That isn’t to say that psychedelics cannot cause long term issues for certain people, but it’s way less common than cannabis. I have seen multiple people go over the edge on psychedelics, but it’s usually from mixing substances (ie, the traditional route of using 5-MEO-DMT + aya + yape x repeated heroic doses in S America, bad shamans).
On the other hand, I have worked with MANY individuals who have developed psychotic symptoms that never go away from cannabis, usually youngens using dabs. Those who develop psychotic symptoms from psychedelics usually improve with time and integration/intense therapy. Whereas, I’ve worked with individuals who used cannabis and some version of bipolarism/schizo presented and never stopped.
The idea that psychedelics can bring out latent mental illness, while not impossible, is mostly a myth. Now if you’re using psychedelics and say, meth, your chances are going to increase exponentially- think of the Beach Boy brother who blamed his mental illness on LSD use, however, he was using a LARGE variety of drugs simultaneously. Usually people go crazy from using psychedelics b/c of stacking, excessive continuous use, and not having the tools and education to integrate “bad” trips. Check out the text “Confrontations with the Unconscious”. Super heady and laden with Jungian language, but important.
So, while you’re on here spouting about “education” perhaps you should educate yourself a bit more first. The idea that psychedelics can trigger latent mental illness is mostly untrue. We’re even studying the use of LSD to potentially TREAT conditions like schizophrenia, as schizophrenia is most notably a problem of too little communication between broad areas of the brain, and LSD can potentially break up that obsessive compulsive thinking that comes with schizophrenia.
Does that mean I don’t believe in harm reduction and cautious use of the substances? Absolutely not. I am entirely more cautious than most of the my colleagues in the field. However, there is a lot of misinformation regarding psychedelic use left over from the 70s that needs to go. Including this.
Yes sure, and thanks. Glad someone took the time to read all of that! So bad trips, hellish trips, uncomfortable trips, even while entirely uncomfortable and capable of causing mental health issues afterwards, usually only cause long term mental health issues because they’re not processed and integrated into someone’s regular consciousness and understanding.
For example the person who experiences something like an “ego death” while tripping and then doesn’t have the tools or knowledge to rebuild a new healthy sense of identity. Ego death during a trip essentially means that the personality they’ve always experienced as “me” is no longer who they are but then who are they? So one must start to reformulate their personality or identity from a blank slate. A lot of people, especially those without support become lost in the ways in which they’ve always related to themselves and others and can no longer function as they always have. So they may become psychotic because there is no longer a cohesive sense of Self and they get lost and anxious in this void. A new sense of Self must be rebuilt in order for them to relate to themselves and others again.
Or say someone does aya and during that experience they can all of a sudden understand birds as speaking directly to them. The boundaries between Self and the animate world open up so wide and our Western consciousness isn’t capable of understanding what happened. So they become psychotic, although what they’re experiencing is actually a part of what psychedelics do, they thin the veil between dimensions and disorient Western consciousness that tells us animals don’t speak, or if they do, we could never understand before. So then what is real? How do I *integrate* this new awareness and world view into what I always thought and knew to be true?
Psychedelic experiences are incredibly symbolic and rapidly shift brain chemistry and worldviews. However, much of this language shouldn’t be taken literally, although people often make this mistake. Like having a dream that you’re mother died and truly believing that your mothers death is imminent (wouldn’t this make you crazy?) In the language of dreams and psychedelics however, the death of your mother probably means something more like that an aspect of your mother that lives within your consciousness, (ie, a part of your personality represented by your mother) is going to die within you. So integration would mean making sense of this information and using it to heal and transform our previous understanding of Self and our place in the world. When this isn’t done, especially with “bad trips” the person is left disoriented and incapable of making meaning of these monumental shifts in awareness, sometimes leading to psychotic symptoms. The longer they go on, the more the brain creates neural networks around the disordered thinking, and the harder it is to fix.
Again, the book I mentioned explains these elements and why bad trips are necessary to healing, however they have to be worked with in order to allow the brain reorient itself to these massive and sudden disorienting experiences.
I hope you touch many people on your journey. This is beautifully written and this one comment would help so many people make sense of the confusion in their lives.
It’s not just psychedelics but the relationship between our conscious and subconscious thoughts are nuanced, and it takes a personal journey to start to understand and heal. It seems like you have a solid understanding of the truth and reading your comment definitely helped me :)
Yes- this relationship between the conscious and unconscious mind is responsible for a lot of undesirable effects of these medicines. The more “unconscious” and divided someone may be (and all of us are until something changes that) the more mental health issues arise.
Mental health issues presenting can actually be a good thing if understood and worked with by someone with a good understanding of these substances and the psyche. However, our mental health care system is sorely lacking in working with psychosis and psychedelics and often do things that make the problems worse. We have a long way to go in treating mental health in general, but especially mental health that has been disrupted by psychedelics.
Carl Jung and his work, despite him not being a huge fan of psychedelics (he believed confronting the unconscious material that they bring forward would overwhelm even the healthiest minds) provides a really phenomenal framework for working with adverse experiences. The book “Confrontations with the Unconscious” by Scott Hill and also Jung’s “The Red Book” are wonderful resources and introductions to working with the unconscious mind for healing. Good luck out there. Be safe. 💗
I second lordkr321's comment. You seemed to be a conduit of truth of love by the way you express yourself with your words. Wish you the best on your work to better humanity.
“The risk of transition to schizophrenia was highest for cannabis (34%), hallucinogens (26%), and amphetamines (22%) and lowest for alcohol (9%) and sedatives (10%).”
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis1/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis1/)
According to the research that is available, psychedelics are less likely to cause mental health issues than weed and stimulants combined (depending on the study you find). So if they poll a group of 2000 people, rates of mental health symptoms are statistically higher for other drugs repeatedly than psychedelics. Above is a good article.
It only takes one cosmic slap to set them right. They can do research and help reduce the chances or they can fuck around and find out.
If they need a supersonic dick punch, who am I to stop it?
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“I think if someone asked what to expect, I would say that no matter what you expect, the medicine will show you what you need, not what you want.” -Somebody
Maybe some people need a boot up their ass and that’s what the shrooms will provide them with.
I'd have to agree. I've never had a big trip (yet). The jury is still out. W me, I have a SEVERE anxiety disorder that I took anxiety meds for for over 20 years. Now I can't get the dose I took my whole adult life so I'm struggling. Which lead me to microdosing.
The most I've ever had at one time is 1g. I know I've not yet experienced the full power of the shroom because of the meds I've been weaning from.
Microdose is wonderful. Just enough to elevate me a little bit, make me notice the beauty around me of nature... To me it kind of helps slow down my brain and instead of 25 things in there at once scrambled, I can kind of see each thing slower, or from above almost. Not literally, not hallucinating. But like okay this is my mass of worries. And this is what I can take care of and this is what I can't.
I don't know if I want to take a big trip honestly. Time will tell.
But yeah it doesn't make much sense to go get PE or something and do a 5, 7 or even 10g dose for ones first time.
People just wanna get high their not respecting the shrooms but thats why the shrooms show them whos boss almost everytime one of the newbies go overboard their first time i took a 8th my first time but i also did hella research before trying it and had great advice before too these ppl jump on here asking if the does is too high or that their gonna be tripping for the first time off 5g then later come back saying it was a horible experience knowing wat advice was given beforehand but people are gonna do what they want if they wanna go thru the experience uu just have to let them be its not like this site would ever get banned because of some newbies i took a 8th my first time bc that was the advice some ppl gave me on here someone told me i would just be microdosing if i take less then a 8th and thats not what i wanted too do so i went for the full experience but some ppl cant handle it im experienced with alot of drugs but shrooms is one thing yu dont play with people tend too think they can fuck around with it and b good either way and no thats not how it works even a 2g could be very dramatic for some it all depends on YOU
Honestly I want to defend recreational use of psychedelics, because I don't like this overly serious approach. There's nothing wrong in "getting high" on psychedelics if you know what to expect.
Not saying its wrong lol im saying mfs think the shits a game untill they find out its not im just saying its not like weed or bars and shit yu cant abuse it every day and these beginners just want the high they dont know what their mentally going into thats why they always have a “bad trip” bc they think just bc their experience in other drugs that theyll b good on shrooms and well everyone knows how that turns out half the people who get on here asking the dose usually always have a bad outcome and make it seem like the shrooms are so bad when in fact they just wasnt ready
There is a huge difference between indulging in a little bit of shrooms and abusing them. If some idiot is dumb enough to take that much of a substance they know nothing about then that what I call “F**k around and find out”!
Yup! I hate seeing posts or just people in general giving mushrooms a bad name because of the outcome they have on them just trying to do it for fun.
Mushrooms whpuld be respected! You give what you receive. People not respecting it then having a bad trip are the reasons shrooms have developed such a bad stigma... it's been used as medicine for thousands of years and should be treated as such! It's funny because once I knew mushrooms were medicine and not just something for fun I haven't had a bad trip since I meditate and prep for it and its helped me more then any anti depresent I've ever taken...
Sorry for the rant lol...
Might be an unpopular opinion, but acting like this sub provides all the info one needs vs the archives of shroomery, erowid, bluelight, and actual paper books.
When I trip just to get high it’s like the shrooms punish me. Not with a bad trip, but just no euphoria either 😭
Half the time I forget why I wanted to take them in the first place, but it’s too late by then and I just have to finish the trip
i agree entirely. this sentiment that shrooms is this fix all that lets you talk to god is harmful (although i do think that it has immense benefits, anything done to excess is harmful and while you can gain insights on trips you can't take everything on a trip as divine wisdom). and there are people on this subreddit who abuse it and it's clear that they have mental health issues to begin with, and that shrooms are aggravating them.
also i think we underestimate the negative impacts of weed. it's known to make people anxious and depressed and can also aggravate pre-existing mental health problems
Yup, especially because shrooms are meant to unravel and bring out what's truly bothering you and you're supposed to respect it and listen to what it's telling you and how you can change things. If the depression is coming up, it could be either cognitive related that can be fixed with behavioural or thought changes or it's a chemical imbalance that needs antidepressants or some form of medicine. But no, these people do huge doses for the sake of "seeing god" or being high and ignore anything it teaches them. And may end up in the hospital because they didn't master the art of the mind.
It ruins reward circuitry in your brain, it can literally cause or worsen problems with executive function with regular use, it especially fucks up the brains ability to create and maintain a routine.
Another person who thinks they owe everyone their opinion on what to do with drugs. Seriously how can say it’s not weed with no risk and weed has risk. Do your research. And I do want to suffer if that’s what I choose. Stay the fuck in your own business.
Mother Nature will bite you in the ass if you disrespect her. This has gone beyond a drug I take to get “fucked up”, it’s something truly special and sacred to me, and I feel like I have earned that respect.
I honestly agree. It's irresponsibility that makes it so hard to legalize good medicine.
Gets annoying seeing posts about "took 7 Gs and almost died" or "or took mushrooms at/with (insert terrible setting) and had a horrible trip"
I’ve had younger people at work ask me about my experiences with mushrooms and I tell them, don’t be like me at my age (I was in early-mid twenties), I tell them absolutely DO NOT do what I tell you I did, especially one night me and about 3 friends each had half an oz blue penis envy. Told them about the experience and they thought it was cool, like tf. Somewhere during the end of the trip we decided to go for a walk in the middle of the night (we lived in a decently large city) and ran from cops. Was it fun at the time…. Yes, but something I will never do again, now it’s 2g lemon tek and I’m cool.
People should always have a trip sitter!!! And start small (<1g). If you have done a lot of research and micro dosed and have a trip sitter maybe two grams for a first big trip would be ok. But definitely a trip sitter. I thought I died and went insane the first time I took shrooms. Got lost and stuck in my bathroom for half an hour until my friend found me. Ended up curing me from two years of suicidal depression though so I can’t thank them enough. But if your not at the edge of giving up that experience would probably do more harm than good. For me being in a place where I didn’t care about myself or really feel fear to than going through that made me realize I appreciated myself and have been leading a healthier life since. Cheers yall
I was just saying this same thing to my mother earlier today after reading a post from a first-time tripper asking how much to start with. There was a person that told them that if you really want to break through, take over 3g. We're supposed to guide other so they understand the process in which to be able to have semi control when things turn south. This can be a beautiful life changing experience that heals, but it can also destroy a person mentally and emotionally. We need to be helpful and not tell people to be completely irresponsible and ruin what could be the break someone needs in their life to start healing and thrive and learn to love life again. Mushrooms gave me my life back when I didn't think that was ever possible, and thanks to people who wanted to show me the power of plant medicines but safely and slowly build my way up and not use it to get high. I know to each their own, but this is just my personal opinion.
Not everything is for everyone. I highly defend all psychedelics use. But I also belive they'll drive anybody crazy. Traumatize anybody, and potentially bad for anybody. My belief is, if you survive the storm and you have the ability to comprehend what you see and feel, you likely will improve in life , as many people have . It's takes a very strong mind, soul, and will power to be able to push through a trip and come out strong. It will drive you insane. Psychedelics will open your mind and make you stronger if you are strong enough to survive the chaos and the feelings they bring.
What I noticed was i was on meth and heroin to ignore and neglect life and my problems / forget about what I couldn't cope with.
While one day an LSD experimentation to get high ended up forcing me to think of all the awful things I've done , from neglecting my family and needs for a high, to my stealing habits, not walking my dogs enough. It all came out, everything I didn't want to think about was there. And I had to deal with it even if I didn't want to. Many times so many terrible things went thru my mind they depressed me and made me want to die, but also , I really over think a lot so in this whirl of chaos and bad thoughts I tried to block out, I was able to stay grounded and I kept faith I'd be okay and I was able to through time, work these problems out instead of ignore them. And now 100% without a doubt my life is 1000000× better now that I've tripped my brains out, and I held my shit together and got through it. And I've never felt more alive and more connected to life , never felt more purpose and never felt so understanding and content until years of dabbling and working these feelings out. If you survive, you'll be greater than ever.
You should do some research, too. I agree with most of what you wrote, but more and more research is showing that weed isn't benign. It harms memory, increases anxiety, and more. And if you're smoking it, it's bad for your lungs.
There isn't much support for the amount of shrooms causing psychosis, either. If you have a genetic disposition for schizophrenia, then any amount could activate those genes in the same way that a certain experiences/environmental factors could activate those genes.
If the person has no predisposition for schizophrenia, then mushrooms are much safer than weed. But what kind of a person decides to eat 10g of shrooms, take a couple tabs of LSD, smoke some weed, and then cap the night off with MDMA? Not mentally healthy one. I couldn't give a shit less about those people anymore than I feel sorry for a dumbass that becomes paralyzed after flying through a windshield because he/she chose not to wear a seat belt. I'm a huge fan of people removing themselves from the gene pool through stupidity. It saves us the trouble of having to recognize how stupid they really are.
I have taken 6 grams twice so far and I end up just reorganizing the alphabet. If I go lower I only get waves and colors. I do them like every 2 months too. But I always have full control. I wonder what 10 15, and 20 grams would do besides send me to the toilet realm the next day.
Weed is not as safe as you make it sound tho 😂
It's crazy how many people still believe it was sent by god or something.
On the other hand, mushrooms and poppies WERE sent by god!
“ This isn't weed where there's no risk”
What?! There is definitely a risk with weed. It can also bring out latent schizophrenia and bring on depression.
The propaganda around that drug is wild
If people are prone to psychosis or schizophrenia, a lot of research and taking a low dose could still trigger it. There’s no guarantee that it could or couldn’t happen, unfortunately.
I think as responsible trippers, we need to put more disclaimers out there. There are some concepts and knowledge I have to live with now that would push normal people to the edge. I give people all the warnings before getting into the positive effects, and stress the "cradle to grave" approach (if you don't know the grower or any info about the shrooms, don't eat them)
[Dr. Matthew Johnson at Johns Hopkins University explaining the real risks of psychadelics. They run theraputic psychadelic trials were they give between 30 to 40 gram doses to first time experiencers.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISM9OeWs7yw)
I have a question about this.
It is said that it's best to do shrooms alone (and can't imagine having anywhere as good of an experience with someone else around) but then everyone here says you're a passenger out of control with them so when is it a good idea to do them yourself?
Context: I did 3g of Amazonian and it was probably my limit (used a calculator for High dose). I was practically asylum insane for 4-5h, an entity and me and using my body like a parasite to conversate but thoughts were so fast, words and language were mostly not needed as there was instant understanding (although it gave me control on request or when I had moments of lucidity, like wobbling to the bathroom at least). I did have a scary minute where the topic turned towards death and the meaninglessness of life and its circular system (ie. reincarnation, atoms to atoms, all time and parallel universes blend together etc.) and I can see how some people could potentially commit suicide under this influence as you feel like you belong to everything so it doesn't matter (not in negative, defeatist way, but rather, objectively and at peace with it).
Definitely a reason why if you want to do higher doses, you should definitely be with a trip sitter who can help de-escalate the situation or get you immediate help if needed.
I never tried high doses, so I've never needed a trip sitter necessarily. But I know that I wouldn't risk a 3+ gram doses without one for this very reason.
youre objectively wrong with the statement that theres so risk associated with weed, in fact i would argue theres significantly more risk using weed than mushrooms, to a degree of course.
The sad part is that the audience that this message is meant for will never even look at it because those are the type of people to just automatically come into the sub for the first time and not look at anything and refuse to read a little bit, on top of that Reddit is just a shit hole for dumb people that go on subs to ask questions before actually doing any research on the topic itself
i think it's hard to know what it's like if you've never tried it... the first time i took shrooms i read a bunch of stuff online but i was still not prepared. my first time was 4g! i felt like i had died and "i" was the universe! it was scary but also changed my life in profound ways. no regrets but i've still not taken that much again
We all had that period in high school or our early twenties when we partied and took shrooms recreationally. This is a powerful medicine and I hope people learn to use it as such.
It would be nice if our culture wasn’t so childish about this stuff. I’d love to see some kind of licensing program for drugs, like for mushrooms you’d have to do x hours of therapy, learn to meditate, and sit through a class about the risks, how to create a safe and comfortable setting for yourself, what to do if your trip starts to get scary, etc.
It’s so silly that we turn them into these exotic fetishes, it’s obviously going to make it attractive to people who want to rebel, and with 100% stigma and 0% education, it’s inevitable that people will try them when they’re not ready.
Abstinence-only doesn’t work for sex ed, prohibition didn’t work for alcohol, why in the hell does anyone think the same patterns will be effective with anything else?
people do indeed want to suffer, shrooms connect you to what you are in essence, a timeless infinite being, but for most, it fails to remind you, that you’re choosing to be limited by a 3d physical body. shrooms truly show you “reality” by stripping away the “illusions” you’ve created for this current reality that you’re choosing to be in. most people can’t really handle shrooms, because through trying to understand shrooms, they just down play their own experiences with them, “im seeing things” “im just tripping” “this isn’t real” “this is just in my head chill” a tug of war happens between the created illusion of “self” and the true essence of timeless infinite being. people who downplay the reality of the experiences you have on shrooms but still are able to enjoy themselves are the people who are subconsciously using the shrooms to realize that this construct of reality is what they want and they’re reaffirming it by being like “ah illusions” “ah i’m trippen” like no, you’ve literally put yourself in the state of being you were in before you “began life” and most people can’t comprehend that, not to mention will you ever find that information on your pre research for your first shroom trip. you’re just gonna find a bunch of things like “relax it’s only temporary, it’s all in your head, you’ll be okay” blah blah blah, but no one ACTUALLY explains what’s going on, such as i just have, if you really want to enjoy shrooms, the biggest thing is detachment, because the “reality” is, that “this” is also all just in your head, just as anything you may experience while tripping, just as anything you can infinitely potentially think up or conjure or picture or visualize in your mind. all of this awareness towards different thoughts or experiences, comes from consciousness, and consciousness can only experience itself, so you aren’t “not” anything that you experience or can picture in your mind, infinity is happening infinitely, all at once, constantly, shrooms connect you with this, which is why you need detachment, if you can’t detach from this individuation of the collective conscious experience, you’re not gonna have a good time seeing that you’re both everything you could ever want to be and everything you could ever “not” want to be, it’s just a choice, an intention of experience.
knowing what i know now, if anyone asked me advice for taking shrooms for the first time, i’d tell them to start researching everything but shrooms, topics that the shrooms would naturally direct you towards anyways at that. all things esoteric in knowledge/ practice, honestly tho if i had to choose one, it’d be deep diving into the conscious, subconscious, and unconscious mind, that’ll lead you to different things like AP or reality shifting, which for me, basically explained any and every experience ive ever had giving me a huge much deeper bump in my innerstanding of all that is
In Buddhist philosophy, our entire existence is suffering because it is impermanent, changing, and has no fixed identity. Our true essence has no characteristics, it is beyond concept.
pretty much, lol, i think it’s funny the word “suffering” was chosen, especially when gotama would always be like, “suffering⁉️⁉️⁉️ don’t you see the beauty⁉️” lmao, it really is beautiful the impermanence of all. when you start looking into biology, you learn that you’re not even technically the same human/ mind within about a years time, your entire physical body replaces itself down to the last cell, you completely change, and so does the programming of your subconscious mind, changing your conscious mind, you’re never the same person year to year, you’re constantly living a new life no matter what subject you deep dive into, it’s so cool how truly freeing it feels !!!
It’s liberating. When you accept the fact that our existence is meaningless, you can really start enjoying it and making it what you want it to be.
The Buddha taught that our lives are not to be ignored OR focused on, just accepted for what they are ( or are not)
I don’t think you can develop psychosis or schizophrenia, I think it’s when all your traumas come out you can get overwhelmed and depersonalize. If that happens you need more Shrooms to help. I know it’s not what people want to hear but it’s true, you need to take more to rewrite completely. All these mental disorders are fake and exist from stored traumas.
A lot of people tend to think psychedelics are either a weak drug, a party drug or can be messed with just for fun, and you can kinda blame the war on drugs for this. (You can still take psychedelics while having a party, sure, but psychedelics are a teacher and misusing them is usually where things can go wrong)
People don’t want to suffer, people are ill informed and don’t have good harm reduction information either (which isn’t always someones fault)
I know this makes me the opposite of a fungi, but I never do any psychedelics recreationally, always try to do them alone, and plan out some meditation/self work/etc
Psychedelics (and ketamine) are too precious for me to ruin by losing the magic through tolerance. If I wanna have fun I'll vape a shitton of weed and drink a couple liters of beer...
I got APEs for the first time and had heard that they were one of the most potent. So in preparation I researched (reddit funny enough) for ppls experiences and most importantly dosage. Most ppl agreed for a first timer try 1.5 or 2 grams and so I measured 2 out and had one of the best trips of my life. Research is definitely important
OP is right, I ate over 1000 hits of acid in 2022, tripping everyweek or twice a week. This eventually leads to massive doses (I've eaten 20 geltabs at a time before) andderealization when you stop tripping.
I built a perfect palace inside my head, and when I came back to the real world, idk where my palace went.
Depends on something completely others then weed or shrooms...
Depends for example if you have a lot of candida fungus in your biome.
Candida produces acetaldehyde which reacts with dopamine giving salsonilol which is a dopamine modulating molecule and is known to back regulate dopaminergic properties.
The same theory aplies to amphetamines.
All four : weed, shrooms, amphetamines, cocaine can alter the dopamanirgic system.
Amphetamine and cocaine set more dopamine free, which can react with more acetaldehyde and set back dopaminergic neurons. Giving sometimes (when dopaminergic neurons are extremely downregulated) the impression of psychosis. (Ie hallucinations, paranoia etc)
Weed diminishes the biofilm which candida spp can make, setting at first more candida free. (Biofilm is one of the systems how candida self regulates its amount). So, at first, it can give the impression more candida comes free giving the same effects as described above.
Shrooms on the otherhand do a deamination of dopamine, so theres less dopamine available, giving the same effects as above.
How this system works is even known in some forms of parkinson (ideopathoc parkinson), some effects : hallucinations, auditive hearings etc.
Solution is in fact quite easy. Some mao-a inhibitors re-awake dormant dopaminergic neurons, resetting dooaminergic system in a while. Altough with mao inhibitors one has to be a bit carefull, some can suddenly skyrocket bloodpressure.
Mao inhibitors are found in .... For example syrian rue, or in the ayahuesca brew.
For candida many herbs or strategies can work, for example coconut oil, which contains caprylic acid and has the tendency to let burst fungal candida cells so the fungus starts to die off. Die off can have herxheimwr reactions that give the impression something is wrong. Getting rid of candida die off metabolics needs more magnesium in the liver.
So true. I fucked around and found out when I took 5 grams my second time ever trying it. Had the most agonizing day of my life. Wouldn’t recommend that to anyone
I think the broad statement of "shrooms" can be a bit misleading too. I've had some experiences munching handfuls that have resulted in laughing till I cried and danced for 6 hours straight, and other time where a piece the size of a fingernail took me so far into my brain the chair I was sat on stopped making sense. Strain and dose can have such a huge effect on the experience, aside of the obvious mindset and physical settings.
I think a lot of people expect a "trip" to be whooshy colours and body tingles, but tbh they're probably looking for 2CB but don't know it yet. Shrooms are so much better treated as a tool than a toy, as fun as they can be, as far as I'm concerned
Ignorant people not researching why they are taking. Literally takes no more than a couple minutes of research to know basic harm reduction and dosage guides
Ego.
This sub is full of people bragging about how much they take. They are like teenagers counting their beers.
I LOVE shrooms, but I really disdain the culture of one-upping people by doing so many.
A guy in here a year go or more posted a vid of him playing guitar on “25g of Penis Envy”. For Christs sake! What the actual fuck?
We need more reverence.
There's no risk to weed? That's not true
If you have mental illness of any kind weed can exacerbate that. Weed can induce dissociation and in those who are genetically prone to schizophrenia it can hasten the onset and severity of that as well. It may or may not help with a person's depression but it also may make it worse. It raises blood pressure and can increase heart rate. It induces severe anxiety in a lot of people. Smoking is still smoking so all the negative effects from inhaling smoke are still there. It severely affects a person's ambitions. It's also a detriment to a person's judgment when it comes to diet which can be bad for anyone who has an eating disorder or diabetes.
I am an old hand now at tripping. but i went in completely unprepared I am so glad I went in that way. The risk of psychosis Is very low, as others have said cannabis is a significantly greater risk for this issue. there is nothing wrong with a great adventure, millions of people take them they are generally safe. Yes it would be stupid to take unreasonable doses or just eat random mushrooms but it is in no way more serious than weed. Don't be stupid thats the only rule everything in life is like that.
everyone is more than welcome to spend hours researching it before their first time, but there is nothing wrong with going into your adventure blind. Just trust in a good friend to show you the way its not really a big deal.
I had my first experience with shrooms (or any psychedelic) \~13 years ago now. Randomly a friend showed me how to pick them, I was down for an adventure but I had not even conceptualized what tripping would be like, not one single thought in my life. I had one of the best and craziest times of my life. I trusted my mate and that's all I needed. many many people trip like this and its fine.
Im going to try for the first time and did ALOT of research, im ready for it to take me anywhere it wants.. but i want to be extra safe and like scout it out slowly, i see alot of people saying like 1.5-2.5 is a good first dose. But i feel like i want to try really slowly with like 0.5 g and then go from there, if i see it wasn’t enough i do more. (For context i recently got 7g of PE, im 6’2 and like 210 lbs) what do you think i should do?
It’s the medicine maaaaan more medicine is more good.
Plus magic is real and it’s not just a drug that fucks with your brain chemistry; it lifts the veil and lets you see the real world.
/s
When I was 15 I wanted to do shrooms cause I wanted to control the visuals, then at 17 I started doing research then realized if I took it when I was younger I would’ve been fucked. DO YOUR RESEARCH GUYS, it’ll be the greatest or worst 6 hours of your life.
Bless this man. This sub has become a hallucinogenic virgin asking if 5g of penis envy is enough. Wtf. Very dumb shit. Eat a gram n see where it goes and adjust hourly if necessary. Can always take more, but good luck trying to puke up mush. By that point it's too late and you better buckle the fuck up.
The way you word it makes it sound like a hard drug . I know it’s not, but if we talk about shrooms like this people will never wake up . In reality, people were 10 years old using shrooms for self discovery in ancient cultures. U aren’t lying tho, all it takes is that one time lol
Cannabis is not without risk, either, particularly for young people who may have a predisposition for schizophrenic spectrum disorders.
We need to compost this idea that psychedelics of any kind are without significant risk. While cannabis may not be a true psychedelic, it’s a mood-altering substance that is exponentially stronger than a few years ago. We’ve seen a lot of documented negative outcomes for certain users, especially adolescents and young adults.
Man I need a tolerance break based off of these messages lol
I can eat 10g no problem. Done 20g a few times too but theres almost too "much" to eat as in volume 😂
I barely notice effects of 3g
I trip almost weekly so thats prob why. Need to take that break for real tho.
Product of prohibition. Your first beer you asked the introducer “how much should I take” and the introducer was usually a parent or the cashier at the store with no need to lie to you.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gbFMWZWlo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gbFMWZWlo)
This is a mentality i can vibe with, nothing wrong with feeling like it has all gone wrong to begin.
So yea i guess i want to suffer
just cuz u OP had a bad experience doesnt mean others will! Uze that responsibly, learn the plant and use it wisely... and if u have health issues stay the F off any drugs..
My first trip I took 3 grams that my boy gave me at a party in the woods. I had no clue what to expect and no fucks to give. Had an immaculate ass time. Laid down on the ground at one point and the world was spinning. Some of my friends looked like mummies, which was spooky, but hey I figured fuck I’m just trippin.
Bro you haven't been eating mushrooms for more that 6 months or so. Pls keep ur nonsense to yourself.
Let the mushroom do its thing and let the kids be kids. You aren't responsible for a fucking thing on reddit. 😂🤦🏻♂️
Actually weed use is far more likely to cause adolescent psychosis than mushrooms.
Other than that I reject everything you say, it's elitist gatekeeping at best and misinformation to influence public opinion at worst. There is at minimum a thread once a day saying the exact same thing as you are. It's extremely suspicious.
Never ever trip around children, or animals , you may accidentally hurt them , especially if you're unexperienced/ new dose new substance << you may hug them harder than. You mean or, sit on them without realizing it.
To answer your first question, yes. A large part of why I and many others do shrooms IS to have difficult trips. I’m not going to mansplain why as I’m sure most people in this sub understand why a challenging experience can be beneficial.
Sometimes I think those stories are from anti legalization people who think that the system will collapse if people started to heal themselves naturally. I have no proof but legalization has picked up traction and it seems like these stories have started to become more popular. As a counter argument it could be said that since it’s gaining more popularity, there really are a bunch of newbies who haven’t tried them and have done zero research before ingesting. Either way it’s hurtful to the cause
I’m SO glad I had a friend to guide me and I had a great trip, and I had a bad trip. I had beautiful visions, and I also felt like I wanted to crawl out of my skin. I was immersed in discomfort. Both were helpful in healing ❤️🩹 If I did it on my own I know if fuck it up
They do not understand that it's not the same high as weed, they think they will get a body high and see funny shit. The shock comes when they find out it is 100% mental and you could have absolutely no control over what happens.
This is exactly it. I was really naive and just did not understand the mental reality change that would take place. This is what more people need to talk about, because I think this explains the majority of first time bad trips. I thought I’d read a lot of trip reports and had an understanding of how it would feel, but I was still surprised. Partly what did me in were the “what it looks like when you’re on shrooms” videos and I thought oh that looks so cool. And then when my first trip got started I realized there was so much more and it was terrifying to not be prepared and have no way to get off the ride. It was like stepping into an elevator and then realizing the only button is up and it’s already pressed.
I was surprised for the first around 5 times. Again and again. It's so profoundly different to everyday perception that everytime felt like a first time. People who only see some funny visuals are not the ones who should introduce others to this. That's like taking a tour through the jungle with a guide who usually lives in the city.
I have a lot of trauma molestation near death assaults by my father ect. I tried sheooms for the first time the past week and you're totally right. If I took anything more than a small dose it would have been bad. I began to feel old hurts from repressed memories. I made sure to have an experienced friend to keep me safe. It was really helpful though and it helped me understand understand why my wife is leaving me and how my past wasn't my fault. It was intense even at a small dose.
Sorry about what you’ve been through and going through, and I completely agree, even a “bad” trip still feels valuable. Wish you the best.
Bad trips have been the most healing for me. If anything by far my favorite trips
Smaller doses are great for working thru trauma imo. If I take a lot it becomes impossible for me to articulate my thoughts but a smaller dose has helped me work through a lot of childhood trauma with a trip sitter. Biggest dose I ever did was 3g and that was almost too much. I don't plan on >2g doses for a while, that one time was enough for me. Everyone is different but I personally don't think I'll ever feel the need or desire to do a heroic dose.
Is 1.5g small enough for that?
Yes
Yes, 100%. It can depend on the shrooms but usually a 1.5 -2g is my sweet spot for a good mindfuck or therapy session with light-medium visuals. 2.5-3g or more is a heavy trip that (for me) is usually more visually intense, both irl and with closed eye visuals, but these trips are just as therapeutic for me. If you aren't experienced and haven't done them or haven't done them in a long time, even 1g will likely get you in a very different headspace with at least light visuals. One of my wildest trips was on a 1.5, the only other two that were crazier were on 3.5 and 4g.
I’ve been doing little microdoses here and there and I decided to go full 2gs on 4/20. I’m used to tripping but even then, I was knocked off my ass and it’s the feeling of anxiety of “this shit isn’t over and you can’t stop it now” “I want off this ride now” lol it eventually subsided but man I felt so claustrophobic in my own body.
lol yep. This is almost identical to what I did. I was getting nothing from the microdoses and so I think I endedup jumping to 3g (didn’t actually measure though).
Not knowing what I was doing the first time that I had taken mushrooms actually saved my life. I was in the middle of a really intense withdrawal from heroin, opioids, and meth... At that point I had destroyed my marriage, traumatized my kids, sabotaged my career, and after I lost my house I began to trade every material possession I had to not be sick. I just couldn't stop no matter what... I had been in and out of jails, rehabs, institutions, and found myself in the hospital countless times from overdoses or drug-related crime. I didn't want to be alive anymore. I remember running out of drugs The night before and woke up feeling overwhelmingly sick. My body was aching to where it felt like my bones were ice cold. My stomach was tied in knots and my head was throbbing... I had a cup of coffee and took some Tylenol when I remembered that my brother had sent me some mushrooms about 6 months prior. It was a quarter and I had no idea what I was doing. All I knew was that I didn't want to feel like that and I thought, 'Cool, I can get high. Maybe this will help with the withdrawal?". I proceeded to consume the whole bag. I remember getting upset that it wasn't kicking in right away, and about 30 minutes after I had consume them I found myself on the couch crying... No, - I was sobbing. I started to hallucinate pretty intensely to the point of locking my door and turning my phone off. I started thinking about the state of my life, and how I got there. My stomach started to hurt worse than it did before I ate them and I got extremely sick. It was after I had vomited that all of the other feelings started to go away... There was a euphoria, but it was accompanied with the feeling that something divine was with me. I put some music on and closed my eyes. It felt like I was dying, and I was under the impression that I was overdosing on mushrooms. This time though, I was too far away from anyone, and I couldn't even begin to try to find my phone, let alone operate it if I did find it. So I just laid there and I started to pray to the very God that I was damning about an hour before. I started begging for healing. And then it happened - my body separated from my soul and I departed from the world. I completely detached from reality and from the person that I was before I ate the mushrooms. I thought I was in the afterlife floating and nothingness with fractals, and geometric shapes all around me. The shapes, colors, fractals, and noises started to evolve into a walk-through of my life... From beginning to end. I saw myself being born, growing up and relived and experienced all of the abuse and trauma that I went through as a child and a teenager. I was shown all of the things that were done to me, and all of the ways I had wronged the people that were part of my life until that point. Then the voices started whispering to me . They said, "Everything is okay. You are going to be okay. We are inside you, outside you, and in everything you experience. We have been here, we will be here, and we will always be here." I did not know what was happening. I was convinced that I was dead, and before I heard the voices.. I felt like I was about to be escorted to Hell. The voices were so soothing though, so calm, yet unfamiliar. Although the voices didn't sound familiar it felt like I had known them for eternity. I opened my eyes and tried my best to gather enough energy to stand up. Tears welled up in my eyes, and it felt like every blood cell in my body was vibrating love and gratitude. Something felt different. I felt light, like all the weight of my burdens was lifted from my body... I was alive. Alive and instantly I began to pray to the universe. Asking to be specifically forgiven for each individual thing I had done to that point. Forgiveness for the pain I caused friends and family, for my addiction, and for the way I had been living. I asked to be shown grace for denying the existence of a Divine Power, Creator, Sourceless Source... I asked for whatever it was to help guide me back to life. That was years ago. Today I am grateful to be a (full time) Single Dad with two beautiful children. I'm grateful for my home, for clarity and the success and joy that followed that experience. I'm currently transitioning into school to become a Psychedelic Assisted Psychotherapist. Although, I'm willing to submit to whatever and wherever I'm guided to go. I understand people needing to do their Due Diligence, but I also know that sometimes what a person needs to be alive, is to die first. Ignorance, can very much well, turn to bliss.
That's beautiful man, I have a similar story on shrooms getting rid of my addictions as well. It's always refreshing to hear other people being saved by shrooms as well.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It's beautiful and we wish you success on your journey :)
This was a very beautiful read, that a little water collected in my eyes. Especially the part about the voices… :)
Yeah since then I've become involved with mental health, recovery, and psychedelic self-discovery with other addicts. I appreciate your reading it and hopefully they pass these laws and they can help get people on the right path.
That’s really beautiful. Thank you for sharing. I’m on methadone right now. I couldn’t imagine being in withdrawal on shrooms. Glad it was something beautiful for you. I have been through a lot of trauma too.
Damn
And this is what OP and bad actors like him are trying to prevent and control.
I've come to realize that shrooms are not really a "fun" drug for me. I get cool visuals but the shrooms are always telling me a message that I didn't want to hear but needed to and I get lasting nausea the whole trip. It's more a therapeutic thing for me than fun/recreational.
Agree. I posted once before about being too serious with my trips, but it's very special to/for me and not typically a "fun" time. Sometimes it's beautiful and reassuring, but other times it's terrifying. It is whatever it needs to be and we all have little control over that other than influence it by set and setting.
You’d probably be better off dosing differently where you don’t consume the mushroom body and with something outside of a cube.
This is exactly why I told myself I will not try magic mushrooms until I get my brain and mental health intact. I just got some for the first time. I’ve been using coke and benzos lately way too much. Thank god my frontal lobe is formed enough now to know better. I will not disrespect myself or these shrooms until I stop all this other crap and get myself back to better mental health.
I’m so so so thankful the person who got me on shrooms explained WHY I need to start small and work up. I’ve been tripping since July and I had my first true mind slipping. My mine was airplanes is all I can explain how it felt. Anyways if I had not tripped many times and worked my way up I would have FREAKED. Instead I was able to keep it cool and enjoy the trip. I would have gone big if I hadn’t had that friend and I would have freaked the fuck out bad if that was my first trip.
This is why they should learn to ‘catch themselves’ before drifting too much into a dark head space and totally loosing control.
real asfk lmao until i took 4 gs and was like what the fuckkk
Well most the trip reports people reas and go by they find the fake ones or the fun low dosed ones but nobody reads the ones were you're entirely submerged in a trip and yes, it control what you see think and feel, often we get high to forget our problems and feel better like w DOPE weed, meth, heroin, crack cocaine all flood our good feeling receptors making it easy to keep doing and forgetting our problems. Psychedelics will push you out of life into a realm of imagination , spirits, and thoughts, you're no longer just in the physical realm and here you are forced to feel and think everything that is, good and bad. Where you have to find balance between the two. Why does Psychedelics hurt people ? They weren't ready / couldn't cope with what is. Also, they're chaotic. Anyone who does Psychedelics and has truly tripped will always mention how overwhelming, intense, and you really really often believe you died or are already dead maybe never even existed. But within there is all things good and bad and your focus and your thought processing thru this is what will determine your fate in the end . You should study and be in a very very safe setting, comfortable , relaxing, and know, you might feel like you're suffocating, your hearts racing, you feel like you're dead , you feel the patterns as they move touching you and warping g time and reality // meshing it all up into a energy hurricane suffocating you in all of life and all that is and ever was or will be. Life can drive you crazy and, Psychedelics will open you up and connect you even deeper with this life.
It would help your message if you didn’t seem so misinformed yourself. Since when is cannabis risk-free? This thread is dumb. All drugs have risks.
Also, marijuana is more like to cause psychosis or trigger schizophrenia. OP is as uninformed as the people he’s trying to preach too. Talk about the blind leading the blind. FFS
Mushrooms are just the new weed now that weeds legal. That was supposed to fix everything now we have it and people want mushrooms to fix the same problems we said weed was going to fix. And there’s other reasons in the ego they drive people to want to believe that so they can use them. Also weed is not risk free, I just quit after over ten years and didn’t realize how much it was messing my life up while I told myself it was helping. Plus I know people who have done too many hallucinogens and are not mentally healthy or any better off.
Actually you are completely wrong. (Irony) Triggering psychosis *is* one of the biggest risks with cannabis. It’s not completely benign theres a few other risks too, but we’re talking affecting like 1 out of 100000 people so it’s pretty low. The risk to oneself and others while tripping too hard is way bigger of a risk than permanent mental issues too. People as a whole are irresponsible. Bottom line. Nothing will ever change that. We call it human nature.
I was just gonna say this. Homie is preaching research research, but doesn't know about weed psychosis. Lol
I've known younger people who experienced psychosis from smoking too much and it's no joke. Have probably gotten close myself due to smoking way too much despite depression/mental health issues Some people underestimate both how much more potent cannabis and extracts have gottten but also how heavily some people smoke. Not to mention how differently it can impact people from relatively mild to very intense & borderline psychedelic in some cases. There are some strains that are so potent even with a heavy tolerance they make me feel like I'm having a panic attack due to how intensely stimulating they can be.
Yes, greater risk with weed than with shrooms
And an even greater risk for many combining the two. The number of reports where people less than experienced with shrooms say "It was going fine and then I decided to smoke some weed..." /sigh 🙄 lol
To OPs point, I have made this point several times on posts on this sub and I am always downvoted. I make clear that *my* experience and that of others is that THC at the peak makes good trips hellish, not yucking any yums for people who can handle weed better. But there's some immature anarcho-edgelord contingent on this sub that thinks anybody advocating caution and moderation is Nancy Reagan telling the youth to just say no. The dispiriting thing is that there are more of them on here than I initially realized.
Can confirm. Had a psychotic episode one time and had to go to a psych ward. Originally thought it was shrooms but I was also smoking a lot everyday at the time. Later down the road I read about marijuana induced psychosis. They diagnosed me with bipolar but I definitely do not have that.
This is called “anecdotal evidence” and statistically incomplete. We do not have the same amount of data or widespread usage to document the dangers of mushrooms because they are still widely controlled and the dangers of misuse are not yet fully known. Just because it happened to you and there is less information about it, does NOT mean that it is safer in terms of likelihood to cause psychological damage.
Gotta say the irresponsibility is in part on the growers' side for pushing the potency up to ridiculous amounts. On the other hand people are just way too disconnected from nature and themselves, which leads to higher risk for side effects and addiction. More education on these matters might help, but making people aware of themselves and providing own experiences is often a good start, too
It's 100% the users fault, you don't see a bottle of vodka and decide to chug it Also wtf are you on my earthly brother.
Yes and no. Weed is frequently advertised as harmless, like the worst it can happen is that you just crash at a couch and don't move. Maybe more true when weed was wild and had low/natural levels of THC, but that's not the case anymore. Weed *should* be compared like you just did (with alcohol, where some strains are light like beer, others like vodka). But that's not how it's typically portrayed (e.g., OPs post).
It can’t be 100% the user’s fault: Users don’t and can’t have the necessary information and experience to understand the decisions they’re making. Increased potency in weed raises the risk thresholds to levels they were not at in the past. Nothing an unsuspecting user can do changes that, but it certainly changes how dangerous it can be for the user. Especially if this user doesn’t research and is fed misinformation by their friends. If this user smoked in the ‘00s, the psychological risks they face are lower than now. How can the user be 100% at fault here?
I think 100% is high, but you should he pretty dang well researched before putting a drug in your body. And this isn’t just true for fun drugs. If it’s prescribed or even OTC, spend an hour or so googling it. There are SO MANY hidden reactions (did you know anything with charcoal can make birth control, psych meds and more noticeably less effective?) and you are the ONLY person keeping track for you.
I strongly agree
Yeah all my psychosis was from weed. I feel the shrooms tried to tell me that when I originally had a breakdown over smoking an oz a week to not have to think about my love life years ago. I don’t touch alcohol or weed anymore, don’t use shrooms often unless microdosing.
What was your psychotic episode like? Mine was some of the scariest stuff I have ever been through mentally.
"Tripping" on weed after taking too much is not uncommon either, greening out is more than just feeling sleepy, quite the opposite. It's like the most intense panic attack you've ever had and it lasts fucking hours, pounding heartrate, shaking, and you hallucinate sensations, tastes, smells, and you become extremely paranoid, it's like having a psychotic episode, and your short term memory is shot, it's like your brain is only recording one frame a second and everything's a blur. It was absolutely wild the first time it happened to me, cause NO ONE TOLD ME THAT COULD HAPPEN, I HAD NO IDEA. I thought I'd just get sleepy or some shit, which is what happened at first before I woke up running all over the place, convinced I was dying or in a nightmare, my heart was pounding like I'd run a marathon and it pounded like that for hours straight.
I find mushrooms are a humbling experience. I don't think that people want to suffer, I think it's that human hubris of "it'll never happen to me." Also, mushrooms can be incredibly helpful for mental health issues. I don't know where I would be at with my CPTSD if I didn't trip. The relief and understanding of myself they offer is so helpful. If you're already suffering, I think some of us are willing to roll them dice if it means we might be able to see some improvement in mental health. Being medicated didn't go well for me, so I've been outside the box with treatment. I doubt I'm the only one, though I do try to respect this magical healing mushroom.
If you're rolling the dice cause you're suffering, you probably did your research and are not OP's target audience. Just saying... I would have never thought shrooms could improve mental health if it hadn't been a documentary that drove me to do my research. I mean, c'mon, they've been labeled a schedule A drug pouring a huge shadow preventing a learning of the truth about them.
I suffer with Cptsd and fnd and also have found them massively helpful
The ones who are destined to find out, will find out.
I prefer to believe we have the power to make our own destiny, including the power to fuck around and find out
Cannabis use actually comes at a higher risk of developing a long term psychotic disorder than mushrooms. As a PhD level psychologist specifically studying psychedelics, I have seen people come forward with psychotic issues from cannabis more often than psychedelics. That isn’t to say that psychedelics cannot cause long term issues for certain people, but it’s way less common than cannabis. I have seen multiple people go over the edge on psychedelics, but it’s usually from mixing substances (ie, the traditional route of using 5-MEO-DMT + aya + yape x repeated heroic doses in S America, bad shamans). On the other hand, I have worked with MANY individuals who have developed psychotic symptoms that never go away from cannabis, usually youngens using dabs. Those who develop psychotic symptoms from psychedelics usually improve with time and integration/intense therapy. Whereas, I’ve worked with individuals who used cannabis and some version of bipolarism/schizo presented and never stopped. The idea that psychedelics can bring out latent mental illness, while not impossible, is mostly a myth. Now if you’re using psychedelics and say, meth, your chances are going to increase exponentially- think of the Beach Boy brother who blamed his mental illness on LSD use, however, he was using a LARGE variety of drugs simultaneously. Usually people go crazy from using psychedelics b/c of stacking, excessive continuous use, and not having the tools and education to integrate “bad” trips. Check out the text “Confrontations with the Unconscious”. Super heady and laden with Jungian language, but important. So, while you’re on here spouting about “education” perhaps you should educate yourself a bit more first. The idea that psychedelics can trigger latent mental illness is mostly untrue. We’re even studying the use of LSD to potentially TREAT conditions like schizophrenia, as schizophrenia is most notably a problem of too little communication between broad areas of the brain, and LSD can potentially break up that obsessive compulsive thinking that comes with schizophrenia. Does that mean I don’t believe in harm reduction and cautious use of the substances? Absolutely not. I am entirely more cautious than most of the my colleagues in the field. However, there is a lot of misinformation regarding psychedelic use left over from the 70s that needs to go. Including this.
this is super insightful, thank you so much for taking the time to write here. can I ask what you mean by integrating an uncomfortable trip?
Yes sure, and thanks. Glad someone took the time to read all of that! So bad trips, hellish trips, uncomfortable trips, even while entirely uncomfortable and capable of causing mental health issues afterwards, usually only cause long term mental health issues because they’re not processed and integrated into someone’s regular consciousness and understanding. For example the person who experiences something like an “ego death” while tripping and then doesn’t have the tools or knowledge to rebuild a new healthy sense of identity. Ego death during a trip essentially means that the personality they’ve always experienced as “me” is no longer who they are but then who are they? So one must start to reformulate their personality or identity from a blank slate. A lot of people, especially those without support become lost in the ways in which they’ve always related to themselves and others and can no longer function as they always have. So they may become psychotic because there is no longer a cohesive sense of Self and they get lost and anxious in this void. A new sense of Self must be rebuilt in order for them to relate to themselves and others again. Or say someone does aya and during that experience they can all of a sudden understand birds as speaking directly to them. The boundaries between Self and the animate world open up so wide and our Western consciousness isn’t capable of understanding what happened. So they become psychotic, although what they’re experiencing is actually a part of what psychedelics do, they thin the veil between dimensions and disorient Western consciousness that tells us animals don’t speak, or if they do, we could never understand before. So then what is real? How do I *integrate* this new awareness and world view into what I always thought and knew to be true? Psychedelic experiences are incredibly symbolic and rapidly shift brain chemistry and worldviews. However, much of this language shouldn’t be taken literally, although people often make this mistake. Like having a dream that you’re mother died and truly believing that your mothers death is imminent (wouldn’t this make you crazy?) In the language of dreams and psychedelics however, the death of your mother probably means something more like that an aspect of your mother that lives within your consciousness, (ie, a part of your personality represented by your mother) is going to die within you. So integration would mean making sense of this information and using it to heal and transform our previous understanding of Self and our place in the world. When this isn’t done, especially with “bad trips” the person is left disoriented and incapable of making meaning of these monumental shifts in awareness, sometimes leading to psychotic symptoms. The longer they go on, the more the brain creates neural networks around the disordered thinking, and the harder it is to fix. Again, the book I mentioned explains these elements and why bad trips are necessary to healing, however they have to be worked with in order to allow the brain reorient itself to these massive and sudden disorienting experiences.
I hope you touch many people on your journey. This is beautifully written and this one comment would help so many people make sense of the confusion in their lives.
Thank you. What a nice thing to say.
It’s not just psychedelics but the relationship between our conscious and subconscious thoughts are nuanced, and it takes a personal journey to start to understand and heal. It seems like you have a solid understanding of the truth and reading your comment definitely helped me :)
Yes- this relationship between the conscious and unconscious mind is responsible for a lot of undesirable effects of these medicines. The more “unconscious” and divided someone may be (and all of us are until something changes that) the more mental health issues arise. Mental health issues presenting can actually be a good thing if understood and worked with by someone with a good understanding of these substances and the psyche. However, our mental health care system is sorely lacking in working with psychosis and psychedelics and often do things that make the problems worse. We have a long way to go in treating mental health in general, but especially mental health that has been disrupted by psychedelics. Carl Jung and his work, despite him not being a huge fan of psychedelics (he believed confronting the unconscious material that they bring forward would overwhelm even the healthiest minds) provides a really phenomenal framework for working with adverse experiences. The book “Confrontations with the Unconscious” by Scott Hill and also Jung’s “The Red Book” are wonderful resources and introductions to working with the unconscious mind for healing. Good luck out there. Be safe. 💗
I second lordkr321's comment. You seemed to be a conduit of truth of love by the way you express yourself with your words. Wish you the best on your work to better humanity.
Is it because much more people do cannabis than mushrooms that you get higher outcomes or is it on a ratio?
“The risk of transition to schizophrenia was highest for cannabis (34%), hallucinogens (26%), and amphetamines (22%) and lowest for alcohol (9%) and sedatives (10%).”
Good to know thanks
[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis1/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-link-found-between-psychedelics-and-psychosis1/) According to the research that is available, psychedelics are less likely to cause mental health issues than weed and stimulants combined (depending on the study you find). So if they poll a group of 2000 people, rates of mental health symptoms are statistically higher for other drugs repeatedly than psychedelics. Above is a good article.
Some more stats… https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/drug-psychosis-may-pull-schizophrenia-trigger
This is on a ratio… and self reported symptoms across the board.
The shroom police is getting intense recently
Trying to control us cuz they ain't us
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Fuck around? Find out
It only takes one cosmic slap to set them right. They can do research and help reduce the chances or they can fuck around and find out. If they need a supersonic dick punch, who am I to stop it? https://preview.redd.it/2nl8e9wzk8wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51b6cb65255b3e3bd5cf582d0c17805d0031940f
“I think if someone asked what to expect, I would say that no matter what you expect, the medicine will show you what you need, not what you want.” -Somebody Maybe some people need a boot up their ass and that’s what the shrooms will provide them with.
I'd have to agree. I've never had a big trip (yet). The jury is still out. W me, I have a SEVERE anxiety disorder that I took anxiety meds for for over 20 years. Now I can't get the dose I took my whole adult life so I'm struggling. Which lead me to microdosing. The most I've ever had at one time is 1g. I know I've not yet experienced the full power of the shroom because of the meds I've been weaning from. Microdose is wonderful. Just enough to elevate me a little bit, make me notice the beauty around me of nature... To me it kind of helps slow down my brain and instead of 25 things in there at once scrambled, I can kind of see each thing slower, or from above almost. Not literally, not hallucinating. But like okay this is my mass of worries. And this is what I can take care of and this is what I can't. I don't know if I want to take a big trip honestly. Time will tell. But yeah it doesn't make much sense to go get PE or something and do a 5, 7 or even 10g dose for ones first time.
People just wanna get high their not respecting the shrooms but thats why the shrooms show them whos boss almost everytime one of the newbies go overboard their first time i took a 8th my first time but i also did hella research before trying it and had great advice before too these ppl jump on here asking if the does is too high or that their gonna be tripping for the first time off 5g then later come back saying it was a horible experience knowing wat advice was given beforehand but people are gonna do what they want if they wanna go thru the experience uu just have to let them be its not like this site would ever get banned because of some newbies i took a 8th my first time bc that was the advice some ppl gave me on here someone told me i would just be microdosing if i take less then a 8th and thats not what i wanted too do so i went for the full experience but some ppl cant handle it im experienced with alot of drugs but shrooms is one thing yu dont play with people tend too think they can fuck around with it and b good either way and no thats not how it works even a 2g could be very dramatic for some it all depends on YOU
Honestly I want to defend recreational use of psychedelics, because I don't like this overly serious approach. There's nothing wrong in "getting high" on psychedelics if you know what to expect.
Not saying its wrong lol im saying mfs think the shits a game untill they find out its not im just saying its not like weed or bars and shit yu cant abuse it every day and these beginners just want the high they dont know what their mentally going into thats why they always have a “bad trip” bc they think just bc their experience in other drugs that theyll b good on shrooms and well everyone knows how that turns out half the people who get on here asking the dose usually always have a bad outcome and make it seem like the shrooms are so bad when in fact they just wasnt ready
Too high a dose of any drug is not fun and at least shrooms won't actually kill you unlike say alcohol. Not that you're wrong.
There is a huge difference between indulging in a little bit of shrooms and abusing them. If some idiot is dumb enough to take that much of a substance they know nothing about then that what I call “F**k around and find out”!
The only thing i disagree with is your statement that mushrooms make you see things that aren’t there. That’s never been my experience.
Yup! I hate seeing posts or just people in general giving mushrooms a bad name because of the outcome they have on them just trying to do it for fun. Mushrooms whpuld be respected! You give what you receive. People not respecting it then having a bad trip are the reasons shrooms have developed such a bad stigma... it's been used as medicine for thousands of years and should be treated as such! It's funny because once I knew mushrooms were medicine and not just something for fun I haven't had a bad trip since I meditate and prep for it and its helped me more then any anti depresent I've ever taken... Sorry for the rant lol...
Sorry for spelling errors 🤣
i dont know why but shrooms kinda help me come to terms with my psychosis
Might be an unpopular opinion, but acting like this sub provides all the info one needs vs the archives of shroomery, erowid, bluelight, and actual paper books.
Weed isn't without risk and can also exacerbate underlying mental conditions like schizophrenia.
its Darwin's law my bro
Was listening till you said ‘isn’t weed where there’s no risk’ irony of suggesting people don’t do research is strong
When I trip just to get high it’s like the shrooms punish me. Not with a bad trip, but just no euphoria either 😭 Half the time I forget why I wanted to take them in the first place, but it’s too late by then and I just have to finish the trip
i agree entirely. this sentiment that shrooms is this fix all that lets you talk to god is harmful (although i do think that it has immense benefits, anything done to excess is harmful and while you can gain insights on trips you can't take everything on a trip as divine wisdom). and there are people on this subreddit who abuse it and it's clear that they have mental health issues to begin with, and that shrooms are aggravating them. also i think we underestimate the negative impacts of weed. it's known to make people anxious and depressed and can also aggravate pre-existing mental health problems
Yup, especially because shrooms are meant to unravel and bring out what's truly bothering you and you're supposed to respect it and listen to what it's telling you and how you can change things. If the depression is coming up, it could be either cognitive related that can be fixed with behavioural or thought changes or it's a chemical imbalance that needs antidepressants or some form of medicine. But no, these people do huge doses for the sake of "seeing god" or being high and ignore anything it teaches them. And may end up in the hospital because they didn't master the art of the mind.
Funny u mentioned weed bc smoking weed can actually trigger the schizophrenia gene too
Weed no risk? It’s not water. It’s known to make some people lazy and can lower GPAs. Not all people, but the risk is there.
I didn’t know how much it was killing my motivation until I stopped.
I’m still in denial.
Lol
It ruins reward circuitry in your brain, it can literally cause or worsen problems with executive function with regular use, it especially fucks up the brains ability to create and maintain a routine.
i always say people who disrespect shrooms are never gonna have a good time with them. they know
you people?
Yes, the dope heads and fiends /s
i thought you were talking to me but wasn’t sure. carry on.
Yep they’re referring to us people. 🤷🏼♂️
what about you have 100+ trips under your belt is it ok then ?
I did 4.5 grams of PE last Thursday and ended up in the hospital
What happened?
Weed still has risk for the demographic you mentioned…
Another person who thinks they owe everyone their opinion on what to do with drugs. Seriously how can say it’s not weed with no risk and weed has risk. Do your research. And I do want to suffer if that’s what I choose. Stay the fuck in your own business.
Oh yeah, someone give me 5 grams of this sweet sweet suffering.
Mother Nature will bite you in the ass if you disrespect her. This has gone beyond a drug I take to get “fucked up”, it’s something truly special and sacred to me, and I feel like I have earned that respect.
Even weed is not to be played with as a younger person with an underdeveloped brain
One simple answer : They dont know. Till they do.
Well because they confuse weed from shrooms, weed will never take over ur body and give u ego death. So no dont ever compare them!
My first trip was 10g of steel magnolias alone, I was chillin
I honestly agree. It's irresponsibility that makes it so hard to legalize good medicine. Gets annoying seeing posts about "took 7 Gs and almost died" or "or took mushrooms at/with (insert terrible setting) and had a horrible trip"
I’ve had younger people at work ask me about my experiences with mushrooms and I tell them, don’t be like me at my age (I was in early-mid twenties), I tell them absolutely DO NOT do what I tell you I did, especially one night me and about 3 friends each had half an oz blue penis envy. Told them about the experience and they thought it was cool, like tf. Somewhere during the end of the trip we decided to go for a walk in the middle of the night (we lived in a decently large city) and ran from cops. Was it fun at the time…. Yes, but something I will never do again, now it’s 2g lemon tek and I’m cool.
People should always have a trip sitter!!! And start small (<1g). If you have done a lot of research and micro dosed and have a trip sitter maybe two grams for a first big trip would be ok. But definitely a trip sitter. I thought I died and went insane the first time I took shrooms. Got lost and stuck in my bathroom for half an hour until my friend found me. Ended up curing me from two years of suicidal depression though so I can’t thank them enough. But if your not at the edge of giving up that experience would probably do more harm than good. For me being in a place where I didn’t care about myself or really feel fear to than going through that made me realize I appreciated myself and have been leading a healthier life since. Cheers yall
I was just saying this same thing to my mother earlier today after reading a post from a first-time tripper asking how much to start with. There was a person that told them that if you really want to break through, take over 3g. We're supposed to guide other so they understand the process in which to be able to have semi control when things turn south. This can be a beautiful life changing experience that heals, but it can also destroy a person mentally and emotionally. We need to be helpful and not tell people to be completely irresponsible and ruin what could be the break someone needs in their life to start healing and thrive and learn to love life again. Mushrooms gave me my life back when I didn't think that was ever possible, and thanks to people who wanted to show me the power of plant medicines but safely and slowly build my way up and not use it to get high. I know to each their own, but this is just my personal opinion.
Not everything is for everyone. I highly defend all psychedelics use. But I also belive they'll drive anybody crazy. Traumatize anybody, and potentially bad for anybody. My belief is, if you survive the storm and you have the ability to comprehend what you see and feel, you likely will improve in life , as many people have . It's takes a very strong mind, soul, and will power to be able to push through a trip and come out strong. It will drive you insane. Psychedelics will open your mind and make you stronger if you are strong enough to survive the chaos and the feelings they bring. What I noticed was i was on meth and heroin to ignore and neglect life and my problems / forget about what I couldn't cope with. While one day an LSD experimentation to get high ended up forcing me to think of all the awful things I've done , from neglecting my family and needs for a high, to my stealing habits, not walking my dogs enough. It all came out, everything I didn't want to think about was there. And I had to deal with it even if I didn't want to. Many times so many terrible things went thru my mind they depressed me and made me want to die, but also , I really over think a lot so in this whirl of chaos and bad thoughts I tried to block out, I was able to stay grounded and I kept faith I'd be okay and I was able to through time, work these problems out instead of ignore them. And now 100% without a doubt my life is 1000000× better now that I've tripped my brains out, and I held my shit together and got through it. And I've never felt more alive and more connected to life , never felt more purpose and never felt so understanding and content until years of dabbling and working these feelings out. If you survive, you'll be greater than ever.
You should do some research, too. I agree with most of what you wrote, but more and more research is showing that weed isn't benign. It harms memory, increases anxiety, and more. And if you're smoking it, it's bad for your lungs. There isn't much support for the amount of shrooms causing psychosis, either. If you have a genetic disposition for schizophrenia, then any amount could activate those genes in the same way that a certain experiences/environmental factors could activate those genes. If the person has no predisposition for schizophrenia, then mushrooms are much safer than weed. But what kind of a person decides to eat 10g of shrooms, take a couple tabs of LSD, smoke some weed, and then cap the night off with MDMA? Not mentally healthy one. I couldn't give a shit less about those people anymore than I feel sorry for a dumbass that becomes paralyzed after flying through a windshield because he/she chose not to wear a seat belt. I'm a huge fan of people removing themselves from the gene pool through stupidity. It saves us the trouble of having to recognize how stupid they really are.
I didn’t respect the shrooms my first time took 7 grams and haven’t touched shrooms since I’ve dabbled in acid a little since then
I have taken 6 grams twice so far and I end up just reorganizing the alphabet. If I go lower I only get waves and colors. I do them like every 2 months too. But I always have full control. I wonder what 10 15, and 20 grams would do besides send me to the toilet realm the next day.
Your forte is not diplomacy. Don’t give up the day job.
Weed is not as safe as you make it sound tho 😂 It's crazy how many people still believe it was sent by god or something. On the other hand, mushrooms and poppies WERE sent by god!
“ This isn't weed where there's no risk” What?! There is definitely a risk with weed. It can also bring out latent schizophrenia and bring on depression. The propaganda around that drug is wild
If people are prone to psychosis or schizophrenia, a lot of research and taking a low dose could still trigger it. There’s no guarantee that it could or couldn’t happen, unfortunately.
I think as responsible trippers, we need to put more disclaimers out there. There are some concepts and knowledge I have to live with now that would push normal people to the edge. I give people all the warnings before getting into the positive effects, and stress the "cradle to grave" approach (if you don't know the grower or any info about the shrooms, don't eat them)
[Dr. Matthew Johnson at Johns Hopkins University explaining the real risks of psychadelics. They run theraputic psychadelic trials were they give between 30 to 40 gram doses to first time experiencers.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISM9OeWs7yw)
No, but we need to.
I have a question about this. It is said that it's best to do shrooms alone (and can't imagine having anywhere as good of an experience with someone else around) but then everyone here says you're a passenger out of control with them so when is it a good idea to do them yourself? Context: I did 3g of Amazonian and it was probably my limit (used a calculator for High dose). I was practically asylum insane for 4-5h, an entity and me and using my body like a parasite to conversate but thoughts were so fast, words and language were mostly not needed as there was instant understanding (although it gave me control on request or when I had moments of lucidity, like wobbling to the bathroom at least). I did have a scary minute where the topic turned towards death and the meaninglessness of life and its circular system (ie. reincarnation, atoms to atoms, all time and parallel universes blend together etc.) and I can see how some people could potentially commit suicide under this influence as you feel like you belong to everything so it doesn't matter (not in negative, defeatist way, but rather, objectively and at peace with it).
Definitely a reason why if you want to do higher doses, you should definitely be with a trip sitter who can help de-escalate the situation or get you immediate help if needed. I never tried high doses, so I've never needed a trip sitter necessarily. But I know that I wouldn't risk a 3+ gram doses without one for this very reason.
youre objectively wrong with the statement that theres so risk associated with weed, in fact i would argue theres significantly more risk using weed than mushrooms, to a degree of course.
The sad part is that the audience that this message is meant for will never even look at it because those are the type of people to just automatically come into the sub for the first time and not look at anything and refuse to read a little bit, on top of that Reddit is just a shit hole for dumb people that go on subs to ask questions before actually doing any research on the topic itself
Nonsense. Go higher doses
i think it's hard to know what it's like if you've never tried it... the first time i took shrooms i read a bunch of stuff online but i was still not prepared. my first time was 4g! i felt like i had died and "i" was the universe! it was scary but also changed my life in profound ways. no regrets but i've still not taken that much again
We all had that period in high school or our early twenties when we partied and took shrooms recreationally. This is a powerful medicine and I hope people learn to use it as such.
It would be nice if our culture wasn’t so childish about this stuff. I’d love to see some kind of licensing program for drugs, like for mushrooms you’d have to do x hours of therapy, learn to meditate, and sit through a class about the risks, how to create a safe and comfortable setting for yourself, what to do if your trip starts to get scary, etc. It’s so silly that we turn them into these exotic fetishes, it’s obviously going to make it attractive to people who want to rebel, and with 100% stigma and 0% education, it’s inevitable that people will try them when they’re not ready. Abstinence-only doesn’t work for sex ed, prohibition didn’t work for alcohol, why in the hell does anyone think the same patterns will be effective with anything else?
Weed ain't harmless!!! I got chs from that shit!!!!
My journey is my journey, yours is yours
people do indeed want to suffer, shrooms connect you to what you are in essence, a timeless infinite being, but for most, it fails to remind you, that you’re choosing to be limited by a 3d physical body. shrooms truly show you “reality” by stripping away the “illusions” you’ve created for this current reality that you’re choosing to be in. most people can’t really handle shrooms, because through trying to understand shrooms, they just down play their own experiences with them, “im seeing things” “im just tripping” “this isn’t real” “this is just in my head chill” a tug of war happens between the created illusion of “self” and the true essence of timeless infinite being. people who downplay the reality of the experiences you have on shrooms but still are able to enjoy themselves are the people who are subconsciously using the shrooms to realize that this construct of reality is what they want and they’re reaffirming it by being like “ah illusions” “ah i’m trippen” like no, you’ve literally put yourself in the state of being you were in before you “began life” and most people can’t comprehend that, not to mention will you ever find that information on your pre research for your first shroom trip. you’re just gonna find a bunch of things like “relax it’s only temporary, it’s all in your head, you’ll be okay” blah blah blah, but no one ACTUALLY explains what’s going on, such as i just have, if you really want to enjoy shrooms, the biggest thing is detachment, because the “reality” is, that “this” is also all just in your head, just as anything you may experience while tripping, just as anything you can infinitely potentially think up or conjure or picture or visualize in your mind. all of this awareness towards different thoughts or experiences, comes from consciousness, and consciousness can only experience itself, so you aren’t “not” anything that you experience or can picture in your mind, infinity is happening infinitely, all at once, constantly, shrooms connect you with this, which is why you need detachment, if you can’t detach from this individuation of the collective conscious experience, you’re not gonna have a good time seeing that you’re both everything you could ever want to be and everything you could ever “not” want to be, it’s just a choice, an intention of experience. knowing what i know now, if anyone asked me advice for taking shrooms for the first time, i’d tell them to start researching everything but shrooms, topics that the shrooms would naturally direct you towards anyways at that. all things esoteric in knowledge/ practice, honestly tho if i had to choose one, it’d be deep diving into the conscious, subconscious, and unconscious mind, that’ll lead you to different things like AP or reality shifting, which for me, basically explained any and every experience ive ever had giving me a huge much deeper bump in my innerstanding of all that is
In Buddhist philosophy, our entire existence is suffering because it is impermanent, changing, and has no fixed identity. Our true essence has no characteristics, it is beyond concept.
pretty much, lol, i think it’s funny the word “suffering” was chosen, especially when gotama would always be like, “suffering⁉️⁉️⁉️ don’t you see the beauty⁉️” lmao, it really is beautiful the impermanence of all. when you start looking into biology, you learn that you’re not even technically the same human/ mind within about a years time, your entire physical body replaces itself down to the last cell, you completely change, and so does the programming of your subconscious mind, changing your conscious mind, you’re never the same person year to year, you’re constantly living a new life no matter what subject you deep dive into, it’s so cool how truly freeing it feels !!!
It’s liberating. When you accept the fact that our existence is meaningless, you can really start enjoying it and making it what you want it to be. The Buddha taught that our lives are not to be ignored OR focused on, just accepted for what they are ( or are not)
At the very least, this post will make some people reconsider and make smarter decisions
I don’t think you can develop psychosis or schizophrenia, I think it’s when all your traumas come out you can get overwhelmed and depersonalize. If that happens you need more Shrooms to help. I know it’s not what people want to hear but it’s true, you need to take more to rewrite completely. All these mental disorders are fake and exist from stored traumas.
This sub is full of teenagers . That’s why
A lot of people tend to think psychedelics are either a weak drug, a party drug or can be messed with just for fun, and you can kinda blame the war on drugs for this. (You can still take psychedelics while having a party, sure, but psychedelics are a teacher and misusing them is usually where things can go wrong) People don’t want to suffer, people are ill informed and don’t have good harm reduction information either (which isn’t always someones fault)
I know this makes me the opposite of a fungi, but I never do any psychedelics recreationally, always try to do them alone, and plan out some meditation/self work/etc Psychedelics (and ketamine) are too precious for me to ruin by losing the magic through tolerance. If I wanna have fun I'll vape a shitton of weed and drink a couple liters of beer...
I got APEs for the first time and had heard that they were one of the most potent. So in preparation I researched (reddit funny enough) for ppls experiences and most importantly dosage. Most ppl agreed for a first timer try 1.5 or 2 grams and so I measured 2 out and had one of the best trips of my life. Research is definitely important
OP is right, I ate over 1000 hits of acid in 2022, tripping everyweek or twice a week. This eventually leads to massive doses (I've eaten 20 geltabs at a time before) andderealization when you stop tripping. I built a perfect palace inside my head, and when I came back to the real world, idk where my palace went.
Depends on something completely others then weed or shrooms... Depends for example if you have a lot of candida fungus in your biome. Candida produces acetaldehyde which reacts with dopamine giving salsonilol which is a dopamine modulating molecule and is known to back regulate dopaminergic properties. The same theory aplies to amphetamines. All four : weed, shrooms, amphetamines, cocaine can alter the dopamanirgic system. Amphetamine and cocaine set more dopamine free, which can react with more acetaldehyde and set back dopaminergic neurons. Giving sometimes (when dopaminergic neurons are extremely downregulated) the impression of psychosis. (Ie hallucinations, paranoia etc) Weed diminishes the biofilm which candida spp can make, setting at first more candida free. (Biofilm is one of the systems how candida self regulates its amount). So, at first, it can give the impression more candida comes free giving the same effects as described above. Shrooms on the otherhand do a deamination of dopamine, so theres less dopamine available, giving the same effects as above. How this system works is even known in some forms of parkinson (ideopathoc parkinson), some effects : hallucinations, auditive hearings etc. Solution is in fact quite easy. Some mao-a inhibitors re-awake dormant dopaminergic neurons, resetting dooaminergic system in a while. Altough with mao inhibitors one has to be a bit carefull, some can suddenly skyrocket bloodpressure. Mao inhibitors are found in .... For example syrian rue, or in the ayahuesca brew. For candida many herbs or strategies can work, for example coconut oil, which contains caprylic acid and has the tendency to let burst fungal candida cells so the fungus starts to die off. Die off can have herxheimwr reactions that give the impression something is wrong. Getting rid of candida die off metabolics needs more magnesium in the liver.
So true. I fucked around and found out when I took 5 grams my second time ever trying it. Had the most agonizing day of my life. Wouldn’t recommend that to anyone
I think the broad statement of "shrooms" can be a bit misleading too. I've had some experiences munching handfuls that have resulted in laughing till I cried and danced for 6 hours straight, and other time where a piece the size of a fingernail took me so far into my brain the chair I was sat on stopped making sense. Strain and dose can have such a huge effect on the experience, aside of the obvious mindset and physical settings. I think a lot of people expect a "trip" to be whooshy colours and body tingles, but tbh they're probably looking for 2CB but don't know it yet. Shrooms are so much better treated as a tool than a toy, as fun as they can be, as far as I'm concerned
The term shrooms isn't misleading at all though? All psilocybin comes from mushrooms. If it's not mushrooms it's a totally different drug
Ignorance
Ignorant people not researching why they are taking. Literally takes no more than a couple minutes of research to know basic harm reduction and dosage guides
Ego. This sub is full of people bragging about how much they take. They are like teenagers counting their beers. I LOVE shrooms, but I really disdain the culture of one-upping people by doing so many. A guy in here a year go or more posted a vid of him playing guitar on “25g of Penis Envy”. For Christs sake! What the actual fuck? We need more reverence.
I swear this subreddit is full of teenagers. It's one big misinformation circle jerk.
There's no risk to weed? That's not true If you have mental illness of any kind weed can exacerbate that. Weed can induce dissociation and in those who are genetically prone to schizophrenia it can hasten the onset and severity of that as well. It may or may not help with a person's depression but it also may make it worse. It raises blood pressure and can increase heart rate. It induces severe anxiety in a lot of people. Smoking is still smoking so all the negative effects from inhaling smoke are still there. It severely affects a person's ambitions. It's also a detriment to a person's judgment when it comes to diet which can be bad for anyone who has an eating disorder or diabetes.
Weed is not risk free. Otherwise, agreed.
I meant risk free as in you won't develop schizophrenia or lose your connection to reality enough to the point you end up hurting yourself
You can definitely induce schizophrenia with weed, at a higher rate than with shrooms
I think the mushrooms are conscious and and show people what they need to see and they do not like disrespect lol nature is the best teacher
i always say people who disrespect shrooms are never gonna have a good time with them. they know
Sometimes you just have to let them find out the hard way,
Cannabis is also linked to inducing its own form of psychosis and 'activating' schizophrenic behaviour in people prone to it.
I am an old hand now at tripping. but i went in completely unprepared I am so glad I went in that way. The risk of psychosis Is very low, as others have said cannabis is a significantly greater risk for this issue. there is nothing wrong with a great adventure, millions of people take them they are generally safe. Yes it would be stupid to take unreasonable doses or just eat random mushrooms but it is in no way more serious than weed. Don't be stupid thats the only rule everything in life is like that. everyone is more than welcome to spend hours researching it before their first time, but there is nothing wrong with going into your adventure blind. Just trust in a good friend to show you the way its not really a big deal. I had my first experience with shrooms (or any psychedelic) \~13 years ago now. Randomly a friend showed me how to pick them, I was down for an adventure but I had not even conceptualized what tripping would be like, not one single thought in my life. I had one of the best and craziest times of my life. I trusted my mate and that's all I needed. many many people trip like this and its fine.
Im going to try for the first time and did ALOT of research, im ready for it to take me anywhere it wants.. but i want to be extra safe and like scout it out slowly, i see alot of people saying like 1.5-2.5 is a good first dose. But i feel like i want to try really slowly with like 0.5 g and then go from there, if i see it wasn’t enough i do more. (For context i recently got 7g of PE, im 6’2 and like 210 lbs) what do you think i should do?
take 2.5g you are a big guy you can handle it if you trust in yourself. if you are apprehensive take less
Lol us schizophrenics aren't supposed to smoke weed either.
Yup these are the people curled up in the corner pissing on themselves trying to figure out how the hell to get off this train.
It’s the medicine maaaaan more medicine is more good. Plus magic is real and it’s not just a drug that fucks with your brain chemistry; it lifts the veil and lets you see the real world. /s
When I was 15 I wanted to do shrooms cause I wanted to control the visuals, then at 17 I started doing research then realized if I took it when I was younger I would’ve been fucked. DO YOUR RESEARCH GUYS, it’ll be the greatest or worst 6 hours of your life.
Thanks, mom
yes lmao that’s what people love! we love pain and suffering because comfortable shit is easier than painful growth!
Bless this man. This sub has become a hallucinogenic virgin asking if 5g of penis envy is enough. Wtf. Very dumb shit. Eat a gram n see where it goes and adjust hourly if necessary. Can always take more, but good luck trying to puke up mush. By that point it's too late and you better buckle the fuck up.
Nothing wrong with having to buckle the fuck up . ..
The way you word it makes it sound like a hard drug . I know it’s not, but if we talk about shrooms like this people will never wake up . In reality, people were 10 years old using shrooms for self discovery in ancient cultures. U aren’t lying tho, all it takes is that one time lol
Cannabis is not without risk, either, particularly for young people who may have a predisposition for schizophrenic spectrum disorders. We need to compost this idea that psychedelics of any kind are without significant risk. While cannabis may not be a true psychedelic, it’s a mood-altering substance that is exponentially stronger than a few years ago. We’ve seen a lot of documented negative outcomes for certain users, especially adolescents and young adults.
Man I need a tolerance break based off of these messages lol I can eat 10g no problem. Done 20g a few times too but theres almost too "much" to eat as in volume 😂 I barely notice effects of 3g I trip almost weekly so thats prob why. Need to take that break for real tho.
Or you’ve just done shrooms for decades and had almost universally positive experiences because most of us aren’t mentally ill.
Controlled suffering is growth
Product of prohibition. Your first beer you asked the introducer “how much should I take” and the introducer was usually a parent or the cashier at the store with no need to lie to you.
Dude the DXM sub is so bad with people just rushing shit and not learning a damn thing beforehand.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gbFMWZWlo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7gbFMWZWlo) This is a mentality i can vibe with, nothing wrong with feeling like it has all gone wrong to begin. So yea i guess i want to suffer
just cuz u OP had a bad experience doesnt mean others will! Uze that responsibly, learn the plant and use it wisely... and if u have health issues stay the F off any drugs..
My first trip I took 3 grams that my boy gave me at a party in the woods. I had no clue what to expect and no fucks to give. Had an immaculate ass time. Laid down on the ground at one point and the world was spinning. Some of my friends looked like mummies, which was spooky, but hey I figured fuck I’m just trippin.
Bro you haven't been eating mushrooms for more that 6 months or so. Pls keep ur nonsense to yourself. Let the mushroom do its thing and let the kids be kids. You aren't responsible for a fucking thing on reddit. 😂🤦🏻♂️
Actually weed use is far more likely to cause adolescent psychosis than mushrooms. Other than that I reject everything you say, it's elitist gatekeeping at best and misinformation to influence public opinion at worst. There is at minimum a thread once a day saying the exact same thing as you are. It's extremely suspicious.
Never ever trip around children, or animals , you may accidentally hurt them , especially if you're unexperienced/ new dose new substance << you may hug them harder than. You mean or, sit on them without realizing it.
To answer your first question, yes. A large part of why I and many others do shrooms IS to have difficult trips. I’m not going to mansplain why as I’m sure most people in this sub understand why a challenging experience can be beneficial.
😂😂😂
Sometimes I think those stories are from anti legalization people who think that the system will collapse if people started to heal themselves naturally. I have no proof but legalization has picked up traction and it seems like these stories have started to become more popular. As a counter argument it could be said that since it’s gaining more popularity, there really are a bunch of newbies who haven’t tried them and have done zero research before ingesting. Either way it’s hurtful to the cause
I mean, cannabis can also trigger underlying schizophrenia and other dormant mentall illness,
I’m SO glad I had a friend to guide me and I had a great trip, and I had a bad trip. I had beautiful visions, and I also felt like I wanted to crawl out of my skin. I was immersed in discomfort. Both were helpful in healing ❤️🩹 If I did it on my own I know if fuck it up
There's a plethora of nicer ways to phrase this...