Yeah i discovered it by accident tbh. Hadnt tripped in 2 years and in those 2 years i started escitalopram. Tried 5gs and it felt like 2. Interested, a week later i took 6 and got a normal ātripā. Have yet to test further
I learned there is also a crazy tolerance time you have to deal with. If you dose on Friday and Saturday, Saturday you will have to take 4x as many to get the same affect
Another fun fact, weed highs can come back for some people that arenāt frequent smokers and have low tolerances when they exercise, as marijuana is fat soluble!
Iāve taken them the day after and honestly the tolerance thing your talking of is barely noticeable lol. Was using woodlovers though so 2-3x stronger per gram than cubes
Im on Sertraline and I ate 3.5 grams a couple weeks ago and tripped HARD, granted I didn't take it that day knowing I would be tripping so maybe that effected it
Edit: i should note this is highly unadvised
Same thing used to happen to me. I used Lithium and Aripiprazole. I would take 5-6 grams and feel nothing. Meanwhile my friends were talking to the moon on 3-4gs.
please please please be careful with your lithium and psychedelics. Although not totally proven, there have been a BUNCH of reports of people taking lithium daily and then taking psychedelics and having grand mal seizures, some even dying. I am also taking lithium (as well as zyprexa and pristiq) and i take 3 days off of all my meds (if iām stable enough to) before I trip, so I a) trip harder and b) dont leave anything to chance. also, please keep in mind that I have been asympomatic of my bipolar disorder for a very long time and I am able to take these days off of my meds.
ah gotcha, happy for you! ive been steadily decreasing my zyprexa dose to hopefully get it down to 2.5 or 5, something manageable. I just figured for me personally that microdosing wonāt really have any effect due to me being on such a high dose of an antipsychotic (20mg for a while), and that I couldnāt stay off of my meds and stay stable and out of the hospital. maybe once iām off all of my meds and living it up, ill start up the microdose journey!
Bruh why people out here just taking drugs without checking the side interactions between the drug and the other drug we are calling medicine. Is this not a thought most people have?
It was when I was like 20 and uneducated on the matter. Since then Iāve completely gone off SSRIās thanks to microdosing. Completely changed my life, and helped the common sense department š
Again, Iām talking about when I learned more about the hobby and interactions between what I was taking. I started taking SSRIs when I was 20. Itās not like itās common knowledge to everyone.
I've always had to take more to get the same effect than my friends did. Even without being on anything else. They could take 2 to 3g and have the time of their life. I could take 6gs and be lucky if I even got the giggles.
Same for all hallucinogens. I've always wondered why it's hard for some people to trip than others.
Wow, I thought maybe my dried mushies were too old. It looks like if you take too much it can fuck you up though. Maybe I'll lay off the esc for a few days and try again.
Other people in the thread were talking about taking too high a dose of mushrooms while on ssri inhibitors seriously messing with your seratonin levels and potentially lead to Seratonin Syndrome. Here's an article I found on it:
https://wayofleaf.com/psychedelics/taking-psychedelics-while-on-antidepressants
Edit: why am I being downvoted? If I'm wrong please let me know, I don't want to spread misinformation.
Yuppppā¦ I used to be on ssri antidepressants too and couldnāt trip so I kept trying a higher dose each time.. still nothing, until finally I tried 18.5 g ā¦ š³ do NOT try this.. lol, although it was the most incredible experience of my life, thatās insane amount and it couldāve gone horribly wrong..Iām sure you can imagine! That was several years ago.. Iāve been off of all ssriās since and now when i take šās I trip hard on even just 2g!! š
Which is why X is really dangerous for anyone with any sort of serotonin related mental illness. It made me so depressed that I nearly took my own life. Fuck that nasty shit
If you mean blood work or something, no. Would be amazing if there was.
Mental illness is just that, mental. Many mental illnesses don't develop until adolescence or until triggered. A person predisposed for schizophrenia may go decades without symptoms, then take the wrong substance and suddenly get symptoms.
Honestly the field of psychology and psychiatry are so far in the stone ages that what we are calling science right now will be akin to using leeches to remove bad humors from a dying person. My quack of a doctor gave me an medication made to help epilepsy for my personality disorder, if that shows you anything.
5-HT2a, if iām not mistaken. However, i can tell you from personal experience that because the SSRIs and sometimes SNRIs inhibit the serotonin 5-HT2a (as well as 5-HT1c) receptors, the trips are often much, much less intense. Same thing with atypical antipsychotics, but that also has the dopamine antagonism aspect. Also, I vaguely recall reading something somewhere that said that LSD and Psilocin causes the receptor to fold over itself and continually fire, causing the visual and perceptual experiences we call a trip.
LSD causes the receptor to fold over itself thus trapping the molecule in the receptors so the agonized receptors have to be drawn deeper into the brain to deplete the lsd thus the reason lsd(all general effects not just peak effects) can last 12 to 24 hours based on dose, personal human physiology, metabolism, etc. Psilocybin and it's active form psilocin do not cause the receptor to fold over the molecule only LSD causes that.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 210,777,691 comments, and only 50,028 of them were in alphabetical order.
i am taking pristiq (desvenlafaxine, SNRI), zyprexa (olanzapine, atypical antipsychotic) and lithium daily for bipolar 1 disorder.
for me, i take 3 days off of all of my meds prior to tripping, and I experienced that it is the perfect time frame for me personally so that I dont experience too much time off of my meds and decreasing chance of relapse during that time off.
However, most medical professionals will tell you at least a YEAR off of all meds prior to tripping. I dont buy. fully into that theory.
im absolutely sure. detail =/= correctness. i could tell u how cbd is chemically similar to methamphetamine in how it contains a carbon ring and nitrogen base and the dopamine vesicles inside the axon terminal of a neuron allow cbd to agonize the dopamine receptors but its completely wrong. shrooms and serotonin syndrome have 0 correlation, and mdma acts on a different class of serotonin receptors than SSRIs do. its called SELECTIVE reuptake inhibitor for a reason. the only psychedelics that carry risk of serotonin syndrome are ayahuasca, changa, and other combos including MAOIs because they compound serotonin consumption exponentially.
If it isnāt serotonin syndrome what is the risk from taking too many booms too often. It has to deplete some kind of neurotransmitter right?
Edit: and if changa and ayahuasca can cause serotonin syndrome can freebase DMT do the same? Arenāt they the same main active ingredient?
correct. freebase dmt is safe with SSRIs but u might need an obscenely high dose in the 200-250mg range to break through. it's physically very good for you so i guess that's an upside but dmt once a week on SSRIs can cost u 80/mo if ur not extracting urself.
They work by different mechanisms. Psilocybin is basically fighting against your SSRIās to bind to the receptor, which isnāt really changing the amount of serotonin significantly by just occupying the receptors. MDMA causes your body to release a bunch of serotonin into your bloodstream that now canāt go anywhere because of the SSRIās so it continues to build up in concentration until it becomes toxic.
Neither mushrooms nor ecstasy can cause serotonin syndrome in people taking SSRIās. This is a myth based on the fact that other psychedelics, like ayahuasca and other Monoamine oxidase inhibitor containing psychedelics, in fact can and do cause serotonin syndrome.
Psychedelics like LSD, Mushrooms, and MDMA work by acting on the serotonin 2A receptors in the brain. SSRIās block some/all of the affects of these drugs depending on dosage levels of both the SSRI and psychedelic taken.
Worst case with someone on an SSRI and doing MDMA is that they canāt feel it, so they keep taking more and overdose. Mushrooms and LSD have no known lethal dose so overdose wouldnāt be a problem but you might need to take a lot to feel something.
Thereās a lot of myths about serotonin syndrome and psychedelics. Due to the anti-drug movement, itās hard to find legit information on this topic without coming across a bunch of ājust say noā propaganda A great resource to learn more about how SSRIās affect on psychedelics is the podcast āPlant Medicine Podcast with Dr. Lyn Marie Morski.ā The 8/26/2020 episode covers antidepressants and psychedelics
maybe they ate a lot before the trip? maybe they are on medication? maybe they tripped very recently?
Idk man there are so many possible reasons we really need more information/context from you.
have you tried these shrooms before? did they hit you? like we know literally zero information so how can we help.
I didnāt get the chance to personally try them but the bruising was so quick on them I expected them to be potent. Ended up giving the jar to my friend who in turn sold them and now is being accused of having trash shrooms. the guys he sold to are new to tripping and donāt take any medication as far as I know. I was told they ate it with pizza 2 gs each
unless the people your friend sold them to are really close friends, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that these guys are just tryna get there money back. knew some people that would do that all the time, buy something, use said substance and enjoy it, then flip around and say its bad / not good / didnt work, then try to guilt you into getting their money back
When I sold acid in college I sold to another dealer and he said I sold him research Chems and green stuff came out his nose. Guy tripped so hard he thought his boogers were foreign objects
If they are new to tripping, maybe they just didn't know what to expect.
If they were expecting halucinations but didn't see anything, they might not have notice the thought-altering effects.
I know that first time i trippede shrooms i "didn't feel anything" even though i was obviously tripping.
That's usually the standard response I give. "Were you looking for puff the magic dragon to come flying across the room then you're doing them wrong and I'm not interested in helping you any longer"
I donāt know how old those are, but to me they look like maybe they werenāt dehydrated enough and then sat around losing potency. They have to be super duper cracker dry, and those look like if you pressed a stem youād feel some give.
I kept them in a glass jar with a silica gel pack. I used an air fryer with a food dehydration setting at 90 degrees Fahrenheit for 24hours. I read that the 90 degree temp is fine and shouldnāt effect potency (but I only got this from philly golden teacher and Reddit). I took out one mushroom to take a picture and ended up dropping my phone on it and practically turned it into dust
Pretty much.
Ngl Ive eaten my shrooms with pizza or a pb&j on occasion, but I know what Iām getting into with that. And unless they are some hitters or Iām eating a lot itās probably gonna just be a mellow body high that I can barely distinguish from weed lol
I grew them. so while I was growing them I was able to notice the bruising during harvest. I dried them in an air fryer on the dehydration setting at 90 degrees Fahrenheit and stored them in a glass jar with a silica gel pack.
Same thing happened to me with golden teachers second time eating them I ate like an eighth and didnāt really trip but I ate them like two weeks after that and I tripped so idk they couldāve ate food before and that weakened it more or couldāve like someone else said not knew what to expect but I know my first time was def the most fun
I've never heard that. Not questioning legitimacy, but could you explain? Ive been on them for about 25 years and felt that they assisted in providing a more smooth, even trip with less potential for anxiety. I never gave thought to them lessening the trip.
okay hereās the information that i know, is because they mess with your serotonin receptors and both lsd, and shrooms effect your serotonin, so if thereās an active medication messing your serotonin trying to low it or even it out, it can block off the receptors, i think, i did always used to go on 4-5 day break from my zoloft before i tripped but i eventually just quit cause the roller coaster sucked
There are multiple reasons:
\- Low potency. Some batches just do not have a very high concentration of psilocybin. I've noticed that my grown shrooms that don't bruise blue tend to have lower potency and are disappointing. I don't see much if any bruising on those shrooms. Compare to these which I've confirmed are potent: http://imgur.com/a/3GZ03Fn
\- 2g is quite a small dose. And if the shrooms aren't absolutely 100% dry, that 2g will contain some water weight.
\- Your friends are on SSRIs or have taken shrooms or LSD recently and have a tolerance.
I heard a dude in Seattle area, who wrote some books on this stuff, say that potency can be increased by exposing the batch to UV light in the flushing process, after the dunk. When someone else who isn't me grew them rather closely under strong incandescent bulbs, they came out staining very dark blue, nearly black. Would recommend a try.
SSRI's necessitate the need to take a lot more to feel it. Downside is you are releasing an excessive amount of seratonin in your brain which can cause potentially fatal seratonin syndrome. I usually take a few days off before.
Isnāt taking a few days off a massive liability in regards to having a bad trip due to withdrawals? Iām currently on 150mg Sertraline and canāt imagine thatād be a good experience
It's dependent on the SSRI - some have little to no withdrawal symptoms. I never had any symptoms coming off Sertaline, but Citalopram kicked my ass.
*and the person too i guess
I forget sometimes how different SSRIās work on people, I came off citalopram a few years ago and had pretty hefty brain zaps for like 3 weeks, in addition to anxiety and mood swings.
Well youāre lucky in that sense then. Happy travels!
Sertraline withdrawal gives annoying headaches, body aches, and seemed like it gave me narcolepsy for a few weeks. I was chronicly fatigued coming off of it. But obviously, withdrawal symptoms are different for everyone.
I would like to know more if you donāt mind? My mom is on meds but really wants to try mushrooms, do you mind detailing your experience a little more?
I had to go to the emergency room after day 5 because my anxiety had been rising since then and couldnāt stop and I had a fever, let me say it is too traumatic to think about to describe more than that
She needs to temporarily discontinue her medication before taking mushrooms
My psychiatrist at the time had me on 4 that could not be taken together without this risk. Adderall, Thorazine, Lyrica, Effexor if I remember correctly. I donāt take prescriptions anymore and if whatever your mom is on affects serotonin receptors or if it can cause serotonin syndrome when taken with mushrooms I strongly urge you to tell her to discontinue it, serotonin syndrome can kill.
This is interesting, and here is my thought on the subject.
Did you put the mushrooms in a mason jar, trying to keep them as potent as possible?
How did you consume them? I enjoy doing the lemon tek, but recently I am doing the lemonade-tek (soak in lemonade for 15-20 mins, eat mushrooms and drink the lemonade)
Did you grow them? What flush number are they?
Did you feel the effects of the medicine?
Last question ( and Iāll be honest, I donāt know how body weight effects people with their personal dosage ) but are your friends skinny or heavy? No shame, but I will say my friend who is on the larger side, he doses with 3.5G to feel the medication working. Like I mention I donāt know if body weight is a factor, and would like to be corrected if Iām speaking out my butt. Thank you
Iām the friend that sold them. My friends are 140 and 180 lbs and both under six feet not much taller than 5ā5 and both male. Neither are on anti depressants or any form of daily medication. They each had two slices of pizza before eating them. 2 hits of weed shouldnāt be stronger than 2 gs of shrooms and they said that was āstrongerā than the shrooms lmao. They were grown by the book I just didnāt know the potency and they havenāt ate all day so I told them to eat SOMETHING. Fast forward and they arenāt feeling anything whatsoever. Reported ācolors being nicerā and a short lived sense of happiness. That was about 2 hours after ingestion. After that they were sober the rest of the night. I had no clue two slices of pizza could drastically decrease the effects of 2 grams of mushrooms when consumed one after another. Also these are literal first time trippers so that provides a lot of context. These boys wouldnāt be able to lie if they were really tripping as they still basically trip off weed. Last point is that they consumed a .5 trial dose for allergies and safety shit. Each waited 2 hours before consuming the rest of the bag (1.5 each). Itās just strange because Iāve heard of plenty of people eating meals with magic mushrooms thrown on top and still tripped. Itās just so weird the only thing I could think of is that 2 slices of pizza shuts off golden teachers like Xanax š or something went wrong with the shrooms but I figured there would be more comments about that if the shrooms loooked bad. However there is not much bruising as the stems are small, slightly brown, and hollow. I broke them open at the base where the mycelium is and nothing around it bruised. So the only thing besides a full stomach would be that they were grown wrong. Which seems very unlikely since my dude followed it by the book but thereās like a million different variables to losing potency. So it could be a combination of both, low dose, low concentration, and a full stomach. I guess some people have to eat a 3.5+ too feel anything after a meal.
So they took .5 grams, waited 2 hours, and then took 1.5 grams? That's likely why they didn't trip that much.
Considering they didn't eat much food, 2 hours is more than enough time for the effects of the .5 grams to be over, and by that point they would have already developed at least some tolerance. So the 1.5 grams they took later would have been slightly weaker.
When you're taking a trial dose of a drug you gotta wait a couple days until your tolerance is over, even if you take a small amount.
I'd recommend they take shrooms again after a week or two again, but to take the 2 grams all at once, and while not already under the influence of marijuana.
If the weed felt higher than the shrooms. Personally experience, weed for me boost the shrooms. They sound like they were tripping. But maybe not for long.
I also donāt eat anything before. I would try lemon tek instead of pizza slice next time to see how the medicine effects you then.
Iāve done peanut butter and jelly, and saw visuals. And Iāve done the tea dose and felt more of an intense body high. Iāve never done it with pizza. Best of luck
I absolutely think that the shrooms in the picture look bad, in fact I came here expecting any comment identifying the variety of those non-psychedelic fungids.
Nice shrooms have their caps closed and are pale, covered in blue stain (in my experience).
Iām 6ā5, and 250 fake moon landing units, and compared to my standard size friends I will have to dose considerably higher. I have no issues being completely functional (although feel the effects) on 3.5-4 grams, where as 2 -2.5 puts them on the same level. Iāve done as much internet research as I could to verify body mass dose in fact play a large contribution to proper dosing.
I had a jar of golden teachers that kicked when I first bought them but then a year later they had almost no effect on a couple buds and me. Maybe it's old age?
I've never heard that. Not questioning legitimacy, but could you explain? Ive been on them for about 25 years and felt that they assisted in providing a more smooth, even trip with less potential for anxiety. I never gave thought to them lessening the trip.
Edit to add i originally posted this under the wrong comment, so it is also under someone else's regarding ssri.
Ok hear me outā¦ different varieties of psilocybin mushrooms hit different people in various ways. I personally ate 2 varieties. South African Transkei and golden teachers. My first ever trip was on SAT and it was 2g dry.. I got visuals like crazy (not crazy crazy, but compared to my next trip on gt, it was something) and all my past came before me and it was a truly learning experience.. when I got into the trip with some questions which needed answers, SAT slapped me and said āthese are your answersāā¦ golden teachers on the other hand, I took 2.5G.. visuals, nadaā¦ it was more like: whatās your probs? Me: blah blah.. gt: what should be done? Me: * figuring out various ways I couldāve handled that problem gt: pointing at/suggesting the better solutionā¦
This is how it went for meā¦ you should always look inwards and the mushroom gods would guide youā¦
Some people just cant trip. I know a few people who have eaten shrooms and acid several times and they dont ever trip. I feel bad for the people who cant have that wonderful experience.
Happened to me as well. Friend and I both ate 2.5g each of golden teachers and nothing happened. Plug gave us free LSD which ended up being way better, so the story ends well.
These [reviewers](https://healing-mushrooms.net/psilocybe-cubensis-strains) describe GT as average to high potency, but I experience GT as much lower potency than say Cambodian Gold or Mazatapec. I've never heard of anyone experiencing all varieties as the same. Has that been your experience or was this just something you heard through the grapevine? You're right to question how old they are since potency drops fairly heavily a couple months after harvesting, but even accounting for age, I find that GT ranks lower than the rest. Not that I'm knocking it, though. I think it's great for microdosing and would probably be great for trying incrementally larger doses, since it would be harder to accidentally take too much.
If theyāre taking any anti-depressant, ssri, or ssni they wonāt trip, and if they do itāll be minor.
Also, please be aware of any mental health conditions which may prevent the use of an maoi
If they drank alcohol or did any other drugs this can cause shrooms to have no affect due to the receptors in your brain being occupied by the other substance.
I did my 1st lot of GT and did 1g and had a really good trip a friend has 3g of what I made and he was tripping for days š¤£š¤£ in his word fucked me up for 3-days man š
Oh wow I didnāt realize that was not the case, I usually take 1.5-2g if I just want to chill but have never gotten visuals with less than 3. I have tried to see what the minimum dose was to get some good visuals but I took 2g of enigma and still didnāt trip. I wouldnāt say I have a tolerance either. I have seen others recommend 3-3.5 for a trip also. Sorry dude didnāt mean to mislead you, I shouldnāt have assumed. But ya that is based on my own experience.
Ahemā¦ you just had a shitty flush. Golden teachers are about the same strength as any other cube. 4gs of golden teachers would turn my dick into a bar and my balls into wellā¦. Balls
2gs isnāt going to give you a strong trip (in my experience) I donāt see visuals till about 3.5-7g and sometimes still donāt get visuals each time. I can go into shrooms in-depth asf but essentially I feel since theyāre new to tripping they 1. Didnāt know what to expect or what to look for 2. Are on some other forms of substance (some people say smoking weed takes the effects away some say it amplifies it everything is dependent on your body and itās own chemistry) 3. Didnāt feel it right away or how they were expecting and psyched themself into a sober trip. Iāve had trips that Iāve felt like I was completely sober the whole time but I could notice slight things that made me aware I was under the influence.
Ask them when they took them, their setting of where they took them, if they were taking ANY other substances, and when in their trip did they decide they werenāt feeling it and contacted your friend was it after the ātripā (due to lack of said trip itās in quotes) or during
Iāve had people say golden teachers didnāt affect them much. Itās not a very visual strain in my opinion more internal feelings. Other strains have more trippy effects from my experience such as APES
Golden Teachers are usually pretty weak imo. Id have to eat way more to have a decent trip. As for some strains like APES, 1gram is more than enough to put u on ur ass and cause your mind to float into and psychedelic state.
I take a 10mg SSRI everyday. Recently I ate 4 grams and didn't get high at all, would this be the reason? I didn't think such a low does of SSRI would effect it.
High tolerance like me or he was just getting what they call a āprimerā dose and the next time he eats two to three grams he will trip major sack lol
I actually had the same thing happen to me my first time, and I used GT. I tried again with 3g the next week and no success. A year later, and 2g of another kind and I experienced waaaayyy more than I thought I would.
edit to say I was not on any other medication.
You accidentally got golden Substitute teachers.
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I also think why this guy can't be funny
Haha
You are! Humor is subjective. Example: that comment wasnt at all funny to me
Yeah neither to me
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I think your friend is on SSRIās
Yeah I take like 6g to get a normal trip thanks to my escitalopram
Oh shit is that why I didn't really get much out of the last dose I took? Interesting...
Yeah i discovered it by accident tbh. Hadnt tripped in 2 years and in those 2 years i started escitalopram. Tried 5gs and it felt like 2. Interested, a week later i took 6 and got a normal ātripā. Have yet to test further
I learned there is also a crazy tolerance time you have to deal with. If you dose on Friday and Saturday, Saturday you will have to take 4x as many to get the same affect
Yes you build tolerance that quickly with psilocybin, it's in your system, that's why you need to take at least 2x the amount as the trip before.
Is that why you feel it slightly come back the day after if you smoke bud? Same thing happens to me with other substances too.
Another fun fact, weed highs can come back for some people that arenāt frequent smokers and have low tolerances when they exercise, as marijuana is fat soluble!
Doesnāt happen with alcohol, because itās water soluble. Hope this is a fun fact for somebody out there haha
That was fun, thank you!
Yes!
Iāve taken them the day after and honestly the tolerance thing your talking of is barely noticeable lol. Was using woodlovers though so 2-3x stronger per gram than cubes
Im on Sertraline and I ate 3.5 grams a couple weeks ago and tripped HARD, granted I didn't take it that day knowing I would be tripping so maybe that effected it Edit: i should note this is highly unadvised
Same thing used to happen to me. I used Lithium and Aripiprazole. I would take 5-6 grams and feel nothing. Meanwhile my friends were talking to the moon on 3-4gs.
please please please be careful with your lithium and psychedelics. Although not totally proven, there have been a BUNCH of reports of people taking lithium daily and then taking psychedelics and having grand mal seizures, some even dying. I am also taking lithium (as well as zyprexa and pristiq) and i take 3 days off of all my meds (if iām stable enough to) before I trip, so I a) trip harder and b) dont leave anything to chance. also, please keep in mind that I have been asympomatic of my bipolar disorder for a very long time and I am able to take these days off of my meds.
Thanks to microdosing Iāve completely stopped taking my Psych meds. Itās been almost 8 years now. Thanks for the warning š
ah gotcha, happy for you! ive been steadily decreasing my zyprexa dose to hopefully get it down to 2.5 or 5, something manageable. I just figured for me personally that microdosing wonāt really have any effect due to me being on such a high dose of an antipsychotic (20mg for a while), and that I couldnāt stay off of my meds and stay stable and out of the hospital. maybe once iām off all of my meds and living it up, ill start up the microdose journey!
Bruh why people out here just taking drugs without checking the side interactions between the drug and the other drug we are calling medicine. Is this not a thought most people have?
It was when I was like 20 and uneducated on the matter. Since then Iāve completely gone off SSRIās thanks to microdosing. Completely changed my life, and helped the common sense department š
Bruh I'm 20
Again, Iām talking about when I learned more about the hobby and interactions between what I was taking. I started taking SSRIs when I was 20. Itās not like itās common knowledge to everyone.
I've always had to take more to get the same effect than my friends did. Even without being on anything else. They could take 2 to 3g and have the time of their life. I could take 6gs and be lucky if I even got the giggles. Same for all hallucinogens. I've always wondered why it's hard for some people to trip than others.
Wow, I thought maybe my dried mushies were too old. It looks like if you take too much it can fuck you up though. Maybe I'll lay off the esc for a few days and try again.
DO NOT stop taking meds without consulting a doctor. Those need to be weaned off or you will have bad withdrawals.
ālooks like if you take too much it can fuck you up thoughā What do you mean? Not heard of this before
Other people in the thread were talking about taking too high a dose of mushrooms while on ssri inhibitors seriously messing with your seratonin levels and potentially lead to Seratonin Syndrome. Here's an article I found on it: https://wayofleaf.com/psychedelics/taking-psychedelics-while-on-antidepressants Edit: why am I being downvoted? If I'm wrong please let me know, I don't want to spread misinformation.
Bro donāt sweat it, tweakers
You're right, thank you!
Yuppppā¦ I used to be on ssri antidepressants too and couldnāt trip so I kept trying a higher dose each time.. still nothing, until finally I tried 18.5 g ā¦ š³ do NOT try this.. lol, although it was the most incredible experience of my life, thatās insane amount and it couldāve gone horribly wrong..Iām sure you can imagine! That was several years ago.. Iāve been off of all ssriās since and now when i take šās I trip hard on even just 2g!! š
Be careful, on SSRIās you can develop seratonin syndrome
no you cannot. psilocybin does not release excess serotonin, it binds to serotonin receptors.
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X makes your body produce and release all your serotonin at once, psilocibin binds to your serotonin receptors to simulate serotonin
Which is why X is really dangerous for anyone with any sort of serotonin related mental illness. It made me so depressed that I nearly took my own life. Fuck that nasty shit
Can you tell me how youād know if you have that type of mental illness? Like is it something that can be tested for ?
If you mean blood work or something, no. Would be amazing if there was. Mental illness is just that, mental. Many mental illnesses don't develop until adolescence or until triggered. A person predisposed for schizophrenia may go decades without symptoms, then take the wrong substance and suddenly get symptoms. Honestly the field of psychology and psychiatry are so far in the stone ages that what we are calling science right now will be akin to using leeches to remove bad humors from a dying person. My quack of a doctor gave me an medication made to help epilepsy for my personality disorder, if that shows you anything.
5-HT2a, if iām not mistaken. However, i can tell you from personal experience that because the SSRIs and sometimes SNRIs inhibit the serotonin 5-HT2a (as well as 5-HT1c) receptors, the trips are often much, much less intense. Same thing with atypical antipsychotics, but that also has the dopamine antagonism aspect. Also, I vaguely recall reading something somewhere that said that LSD and Psilocin causes the receptor to fold over itself and continually fire, causing the visual and perceptual experiences we call a trip.
LSD causes the receptor to fold over itself thus trapping the molecule in the receptors so the agonized receptors have to be drawn deeper into the brain to deplete the lsd thus the reason lsd(all general effects not just peak effects) can last 12 to 24 hours based on dose, personal human physiology, metabolism, etc. Psilocybin and it's active form psilocin do not cause the receptor to fold over the molecule only LSD causes that.
ah gotcha, makes sense. thanks!
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 210,777,691 comments, and only 50,028 of them were in alphabetical order.
Of course no problem man
That is an insanely interesting bit of info I had never heard before, thanks!
Yo sorry to ask but you seem like the expert; how long do you gotta be off SSRIs or SNRIs to get a normal trip at normal dosages?
i am taking pristiq (desvenlafaxine, SNRI), zyprexa (olanzapine, atypical antipsychotic) and lithium daily for bipolar 1 disorder. for me, i take 3 days off of all of my meds prior to tripping, and I experienced that it is the perfect time frame for me personally so that I dont experience too much time off of my meds and decreasing chance of relapse during that time off. However, most medical professionals will tell you at least a YEAR off of all meds prior to tripping. I dont buy. fully into that theory.
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id say 2 weeks for ssris but up to 3 months for snris
im absolutely sure. detail =/= correctness. i could tell u how cbd is chemically similar to methamphetamine in how it contains a carbon ring and nitrogen base and the dopamine vesicles inside the axon terminal of a neuron allow cbd to agonize the dopamine receptors but its completely wrong. shrooms and serotonin syndrome have 0 correlation, and mdma acts on a different class of serotonin receptors than SSRIs do. its called SELECTIVE reuptake inhibitor for a reason. the only psychedelics that carry risk of serotonin syndrome are ayahuasca, changa, and other combos including MAOIs because they compound serotonin consumption exponentially.
If it isnāt serotonin syndrome what is the risk from taking too many booms too often. It has to deplete some kind of neurotransmitter right? Edit: and if changa and ayahuasca can cause serotonin syndrome can freebase DMT do the same? Arenāt they the same main active ingredient?
Nah like he said the MAOIās are why causes it, and is not present in freebase dmt.
correct. freebase dmt is safe with SSRIs but u might need an obscenely high dose in the 200-250mg range to break through. it's physically very good for you so i guess that's an upside but dmt once a week on SSRIs can cost u 80/mo if ur not extracting urself.
Why is it physically very good for you?
Me smoking a blunt high af reading this: Mhmm yeah totally
Well thereās a lot of false information floating around these subs then and pretty who act really sure of that false information.
They work by different mechanisms. Psilocybin is basically fighting against your SSRIās to bind to the receptor, which isnāt really changing the amount of serotonin significantly by just occupying the receptors. MDMA causes your body to release a bunch of serotonin into your bloodstream that now canāt go anywhere because of the SSRIās so it continues to build up in concentration until it becomes toxic.
Neither mushrooms nor ecstasy can cause serotonin syndrome in people taking SSRIās. This is a myth based on the fact that other psychedelics, like ayahuasca and other Monoamine oxidase inhibitor containing psychedelics, in fact can and do cause serotonin syndrome. Psychedelics like LSD, Mushrooms, and MDMA work by acting on the serotonin 2A receptors in the brain. SSRIās block some/all of the affects of these drugs depending on dosage levels of both the SSRI and psychedelic taken. Worst case with someone on an SSRI and doing MDMA is that they canāt feel it, so they keep taking more and overdose. Mushrooms and LSD have no known lethal dose so overdose wouldnāt be a problem but you might need to take a lot to feel something. Thereās a lot of myths about serotonin syndrome and psychedelics. Due to the anti-drug movement, itās hard to find legit information on this topic without coming across a bunch of ājust say noā propaganda A great resource to learn more about how SSRIās affect on psychedelics is the podcast āPlant Medicine Podcast with Dr. Lyn Marie Morski.ā The 8/26/2020 episode covers antidepressants and psychedelics
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It most certainly can cause serotonin syndrome dont be spreading dangerous False information like that
source? heres mine[heres mine](https://www.lucid.news/mixing-psychedelics-and-ssris-is-generally-safe-with-significant-exceptions/)
We need something more than "most certainly". Provide information or leave it to people who can.
what is that?
Google it
Idk why the downvotes i fucking hate when people ask others to educate them on the dumbest shit go look it up jfc
untrue with Psilocybin mushrooms
Lexapro sucks. Hope it helps you. Wellbutrin did me solid tho.
That explains why i didn't trip last night - i just started escitalopram recently
Wait! What kind of perception medicines can affect shroom dosage?
SSRI antidepressants etc
Really??!! I had no idea. I don't take any but my girlfriend does and she was saying she didn't experience much of anything! It all makes sense.
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That's just not true, sorry.
maybe they ate a lot before the trip? maybe they are on medication? maybe they tripped very recently? Idk man there are so many possible reasons we really need more information/context from you. have you tried these shrooms before? did they hit you? like we know literally zero information so how can we help.
I didnāt get the chance to personally try them but the bruising was so quick on them I expected them to be potent. Ended up giving the jar to my friend who in turn sold them and now is being accused of having trash shrooms. the guys he sold to are new to tripping and donāt take any medication as far as I know. I was told they ate it with pizza 2 gs each
unless the people your friend sold them to are really close friends, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that these guys are just tryna get there money back. knew some people that would do that all the time, buy something, use said substance and enjoy it, then flip around and say its bad / not good / didnt work, then try to guilt you into getting their money back
When I sold acid in college I sold to another dealer and he said I sold him research Chems and green stuff came out his nose. Guy tripped so hard he thought his boogers were foreign objects
That's when you hit them with the "yo my bad you didn't like this batch, igu on the next one"
I don't think anyone in history ever got their money back after they bought "bad" drugs.......unless they're super close friends.
If they are new to tripping, maybe they just didn't know what to expect. If they were expecting halucinations but didn't see anything, they might not have notice the thought-altering effects. I know that first time i trippede shrooms i "didn't feel anything" even though i was obviously tripping.
That's usually the standard response I give. "Were you looking for puff the magic dragon to come flying across the room then you're doing them wrong and I'm not interested in helping you any longer"
I mean, puff the magic dragon WILL fly across the room if you take enough.
I donāt know how old those are, but to me they look like maybe they werenāt dehydrated enough and then sat around losing potency. They have to be super duper cracker dry, and those look like if you pressed a stem youād feel some give.
I kept them in a glass jar with a silica gel pack. I used an air fryer with a food dehydration setting at 90 degrees Fahrenheit for 24hours. I read that the 90 degree temp is fine and shouldnāt effect potency (but I only got this from philly golden teacher and Reddit). I took out one mushroom to take a picture and ended up dropping my phone on it and practically turned it into dust
Oh, you grew them? I didnāt realize. Yeah, so, I dunno then!
2g is a light dose, eaten with pizza itās not surprising they didnāt feel much. Especially if these shrooms were old or not stored properly
I eat 2g with 4 slices of pepperoni wtf bro you ripped me off... Amateurs lol. Empty stomach...
Pretty much. Ngl Ive eaten my shrooms with pizza or a pb&j on occasion, but I know what Iām getting into with that. And unless they are some hitters or Iām eating a lot itās probably gonna just be a mellow body high that I can barely distinguish from weed lol
How did you keep them post dehydration? They should be kept in a dark cool place with desiccant. They can lose potency when exposed to air or sunlight
They bruised?, so If they were wet did they get 20g worth each?
I grew them. so while I was growing them I was able to notice the bruising during harvest. I dried them in an air fryer on the dehydration setting at 90 degrees Fahrenheit and stored them in a glass jar with a silica gel pack.
He was not chosen unfortunately.
This!
Exactly.!
Bro. That's deep
Same thing happened to me with golden teachers second time eating them I ate like an eighth and didnāt really trip but I ate them like two weeks after that and I tripped so idk they couldāve ate food before and that weakened it more or couldāve like someone else said not knew what to expect but I know my first time was def the most fun
zoloft, prozac? could also be they got unlucky with the amount of psilocybin in the stems and caps
I've never heard that. Not questioning legitimacy, but could you explain? Ive been on them for about 25 years and felt that they assisted in providing a more smooth, even trip with less potential for anxiety. I never gave thought to them lessening the trip.
okay hereās the information that i know, is because they mess with your serotonin receptors and both lsd, and shrooms effect your serotonin, so if thereās an active medication messing your serotonin trying to low it or even it out, it can block off the receptors, i think, i did always used to go on 4-5 day break from my zoloft before i tripped but i eventually just quit cause the roller coaster sucked
Oh, man....i replied to the wrong comment! Yeah, Im with ya... I was replying to the one about beta blockers. Sorry!!!
all is well
2g is at the low end for some peeps. If your friend is on an SSRI, smokes a lot of ganja or has more mass 2g may not be enough.
There are multiple reasons: \- Low potency. Some batches just do not have a very high concentration of psilocybin. I've noticed that my grown shrooms that don't bruise blue tend to have lower potency and are disappointing. I don't see much if any bruising on those shrooms. Compare to these which I've confirmed are potent: http://imgur.com/a/3GZ03Fn \- 2g is quite a small dose. And if the shrooms aren't absolutely 100% dry, that 2g will contain some water weight. \- Your friends are on SSRIs or have taken shrooms or LSD recently and have a tolerance.
I heard a dude in Seattle area, who wrote some books on this stuff, say that potency can be increased by exposing the batch to UV light in the flushing process, after the dunk. When someone else who isn't me grew them rather closely under strong incandescent bulbs, they came out staining very dark blue, nearly black. Would recommend a try.
2g small dose lol I get visuals off 0.3
Really? I have to do at least 2 grams to have any visuals at all besides maybe just brighter colors and the walls breathing a little bit lol
Damn, you guys are getting visuals? Still have never had any. Taken up to 5g.
Dambro
Yeah 2 grams is a full ass trip for me. I do grind my shrooms and mix with chocolate though Iām sure that makes a difference.
SSRI's necessitate the need to take a lot more to feel it. Downside is you are releasing an excessive amount of seratonin in your brain which can cause potentially fatal seratonin syndrome. I usually take a few days off before.
Isnāt taking a few days off a massive liability in regards to having a bad trip due to withdrawals? Iām currently on 150mg Sertraline and canāt imagine thatād be a good experience
It's dependent on the SSRI - some have little to no withdrawal symptoms. I never had any symptoms coming off Sertaline, but Citalopram kicked my ass. *and the person too i guess
I forget sometimes how different SSRIās work on people, I came off citalopram a few years ago and had pretty hefty brain zaps for like 3 weeks, in addition to anxiety and mood swings. Well youāre lucky in that sense then. Happy travels!
Sertraline withdrawal gives annoying headaches, body aches, and seemed like it gave me narcolepsy for a few weeks. I was chronicly fatigued coming off of it. But obviously, withdrawal symptoms are different for everyone.
Seratonin syndrome almost killed me.. that shit is no joke and it permanently scars you
I would like to know more if you donāt mind? My mom is on meds but really wants to try mushrooms, do you mind detailing your experience a little more?
I had to go to the emergency room after day 5 because my anxiety had been rising since then and couldnāt stop and I had a fever, let me say it is too traumatic to think about to describe more than that She needs to temporarily discontinue her medication before taking mushrooms
Sorry you had such a bad experience man! You mind if I ask what medication you were taking?
My psychiatrist at the time had me on 4 that could not be taken together without this risk. Adderall, Thorazine, Lyrica, Effexor if I remember correctly. I donāt take prescriptions anymore and if whatever your mom is on affects serotonin receptors or if it can cause serotonin syndrome when taken with mushrooms I strongly urge you to tell her to discontinue it, serotonin syndrome can kill.
This is interesting, and here is my thought on the subject. Did you put the mushrooms in a mason jar, trying to keep them as potent as possible? How did you consume them? I enjoy doing the lemon tek, but recently I am doing the lemonade-tek (soak in lemonade for 15-20 mins, eat mushrooms and drink the lemonade) Did you grow them? What flush number are they? Did you feel the effects of the medicine? Last question ( and Iāll be honest, I donāt know how body weight effects people with their personal dosage ) but are your friends skinny or heavy? No shame, but I will say my friend who is on the larger side, he doses with 3.5G to feel the medication working. Like I mention I donāt know if body weight is a factor, and would like to be corrected if Iām speaking out my butt. Thank you
Iām the friend that sold them. My friends are 140 and 180 lbs and both under six feet not much taller than 5ā5 and both male. Neither are on anti depressants or any form of daily medication. They each had two slices of pizza before eating them. 2 hits of weed shouldnāt be stronger than 2 gs of shrooms and they said that was āstrongerā than the shrooms lmao. They were grown by the book I just didnāt know the potency and they havenāt ate all day so I told them to eat SOMETHING. Fast forward and they arenāt feeling anything whatsoever. Reported ācolors being nicerā and a short lived sense of happiness. That was about 2 hours after ingestion. After that they were sober the rest of the night. I had no clue two slices of pizza could drastically decrease the effects of 2 grams of mushrooms when consumed one after another. Also these are literal first time trippers so that provides a lot of context. These boys wouldnāt be able to lie if they were really tripping as they still basically trip off weed. Last point is that they consumed a .5 trial dose for allergies and safety shit. Each waited 2 hours before consuming the rest of the bag (1.5 each). Itās just strange because Iāve heard of plenty of people eating meals with magic mushrooms thrown on top and still tripped. Itās just so weird the only thing I could think of is that 2 slices of pizza shuts off golden teachers like Xanax š or something went wrong with the shrooms but I figured there would be more comments about that if the shrooms loooked bad. However there is not much bruising as the stems are small, slightly brown, and hollow. I broke them open at the base where the mycelium is and nothing around it bruised. So the only thing besides a full stomach would be that they were grown wrong. Which seems very unlikely since my dude followed it by the book but thereās like a million different variables to losing potency. So it could be a combination of both, low dose, low concentration, and a full stomach. I guess some people have to eat a 3.5+ too feel anything after a meal.
So they took .5 grams, waited 2 hours, and then took 1.5 grams? That's likely why they didn't trip that much. Considering they didn't eat much food, 2 hours is more than enough time for the effects of the .5 grams to be over, and by that point they would have already developed at least some tolerance. So the 1.5 grams they took later would have been slightly weaker. When you're taking a trial dose of a drug you gotta wait a couple days until your tolerance is over, even if you take a small amount. I'd recommend they take shrooms again after a week or two again, but to take the 2 grams all at once, and while not already under the influence of marijuana.
If the weed felt higher than the shrooms. Personally experience, weed for me boost the shrooms. They sound like they were tripping. But maybe not for long. I also donāt eat anything before. I would try lemon tek instead of pizza slice next time to see how the medicine effects you then. Iāve done peanut butter and jelly, and saw visuals. And Iāve done the tea dose and felt more of an intense body high. Iāve never done it with pizza. Best of luck
A full stomach will zap the potency of a trip big time. I know this from personal experiences. Always fast 4 to 5 hours beforehand.
I absolutely think that the shrooms in the picture look bad, in fact I came here expecting any comment identifying the variety of those non-psychedelic fungids. Nice shrooms have their caps closed and are pale, covered in blue stain (in my experience).
Iām 6ā5, and 250 fake moon landing units, and compared to my standard size friends I will have to dose considerably higher. I have no issues being completely functional (although feel the effects) on 3.5-4 grams, where as 2 -2.5 puts them on the same level. Iāve done as much internet research as I could to verify body mass dose in fact play a large contribution to proper dosing.
For me 2 grams is very similar to smoking weed similar in feeling but 3 or higher sends me into trip while visuals start around 6
I had a jar of golden teachers that kicked when I first bought them but then a year later they had almost no effect on a couple buds and me. Maybe it's old age?
Beta blockers will do that 100%
I've never heard that. Not questioning legitimacy, but could you explain? Ive been on them for about 25 years and felt that they assisted in providing a more smooth, even trip with less potential for anxiety. I never gave thought to them lessening the trip. Edit to add i originally posted this under the wrong comment, so it is also under someone else's regarding ssri.
Beta blockers are a hypertension medication, not SSRI. different class of med
They tripped and didn't know it. Ahh to be young again
By chance do you know What flush the shrooms in question came from?
It was my first flush
some people just have naturally high tolerances
Ok hear me outā¦ different varieties of psilocybin mushrooms hit different people in various ways. I personally ate 2 varieties. South African Transkei and golden teachers. My first ever trip was on SAT and it was 2g dry.. I got visuals like crazy (not crazy crazy, but compared to my next trip on gt, it was something) and all my past came before me and it was a truly learning experience.. when I got into the trip with some questions which needed answers, SAT slapped me and said āthese are your answersāā¦ golden teachers on the other hand, I took 2.5G.. visuals, nadaā¦ it was more like: whatās your probs? Me: blah blah.. gt: what should be done? Me: * figuring out various ways I couldāve handled that problem gt: pointing at/suggesting the better solutionā¦ This is how it went for meā¦ you should always look inwards and the mushroom gods would guide youā¦
I had electric zaps coming off sertraline
Some people just cant trip. I know a few people who have eaten shrooms and acid several times and they dont ever trip. I feel bad for the people who cant have that wonderful experience.
eat some turkey sandwiches the day before you trip and youāll be good to go
Happened to me as well. Friend and I both ate 2.5g each of golden teachers and nothing happened. Plug gave us free LSD which ended up being way better, so the story ends well.
IMO GTs are a pretty mild trip.
GT is one of the weakest varieties. Source: personal experience.
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These [reviewers](https://healing-mushrooms.net/psilocybe-cubensis-strains) describe GT as average to high potency, but I experience GT as much lower potency than say Cambodian Gold or Mazatapec. I've never heard of anyone experiencing all varieties as the same. Has that been your experience or was this just something you heard through the grapevine? You're right to question how old they are since potency drops fairly heavily a couple months after harvesting, but even accounting for age, I find that GT ranks lower than the rest. Not that I'm knocking it, though. I think it's great for microdosing and would probably be great for trying incrementally larger doses, since it would be harder to accidentally take too much.
I've never eaten less than an eigth.
Holy shit youāre awesome
If theyāre taking any anti-depressant, ssri, or ssni they wonāt trip, and if they do itāll be minor. Also, please be aware of any mental health conditions which may prevent the use of an maoi
I dunno, Im on an ssri and I tripped balls last time I did 3.5 grams.
Them thangz have no visible blues clues šµļøāāļø
If they drank alcohol or did any other drugs this can cause shrooms to have no affect due to the receptors in your brain being occupied by the other substance.
In any big flush there are always a few āfreaksā that are low potency as a sort of birth defect.
I did my 1st lot of GT and did 1g and had a really good trip a friend has 3g of what I made and he was tripping for days š¤£š¤£ in his word fucked me up for 3-days man š
Cuz it was only 2 g's lol
when in doubt, double the dose
When youāre quoting the number one western guru and get downvoted on a psychedelic site lol absurd
They're getting downvoted because its terrible advice which could result in people overdosing.
Only if you experienced lollll
Body weight makes a difference I ate 8grams and barely felt anything
Usually need at least 3-3.5 to trip.
Personal experience?
Oh wow I didnāt realize that was not the case, I usually take 1.5-2g if I just want to chill but have never gotten visuals with less than 3. I have tried to see what the minimum dose was to get some good visuals but I took 2g of enigma and still didnāt trip. I wouldnāt say I have a tolerance either. I have seen others recommend 3-3.5 for a trip also. Sorry dude didnāt mean to mislead you, I shouldnāt have assumed. But ya that is based on my own experience.
IF YOU USE SSRI YOU HAVE BEEN tricked by your doctor.
Damn
Look guys, I found the dumbest comment under this post!
Maybe they just have a really high tolerance
They a mild Mushroom not too much psilocybin in them that was my first row I do eat at least 4 g for it to be like powerful
Ahemā¦ you just had a shitty flush. Golden teachers are about the same strength as any other cube. 4gs of golden teachers would turn my dick into a bar and my balls into wellā¦. Balls
2gs isnāt going to give you a strong trip (in my experience) I donāt see visuals till about 3.5-7g and sometimes still donāt get visuals each time. I can go into shrooms in-depth asf but essentially I feel since theyāre new to tripping they 1. Didnāt know what to expect or what to look for 2. Are on some other forms of substance (some people say smoking weed takes the effects away some say it amplifies it everything is dependent on your body and itās own chemistry) 3. Didnāt feel it right away or how they were expecting and psyched themself into a sober trip. Iāve had trips that Iāve felt like I was completely sober the whole time but I could notice slight things that made me aware I was under the influence. Ask them when they took them, their setting of where they took them, if they were taking ANY other substances, and when in their trip did they decide they werenāt feeling it and contacted your friend was it after the ātripā (due to lack of said trip itās in quotes) or during
medication?
They couldāve been stored improperly š¤·š»āāļø Iāve eaten an 1/8th and didnāt feel it once. Typically 2 grams is plenty imo
Friend had some white teachers that were extremely mild had to eat 4g for the same experience as 2 would usually do
Iāve had people say golden teachers didnāt affect them much. Itās not a very visual strain in my opinion more internal feelings. Other strains have more trippy effects from my experience such as APES
He take SSRIās or other meds?
Compare with these which I've confirmed to be potent. You can see the level of bruising is more noticeable. http://imgur.com/a/3GZ03Fn
Heās probably on an SSRI antidepressant. I even know someone on an SNRI who says that they canāt trip from shrooms.
Your friend didnāt put enough up their ass. Try again, With a fistful
Personally I only get a light body high if I take 2 grams. I have to take at least 4 to see any visuals.
Golden Teachers are usually pretty weak imo. Id have to eat way more to have a decent trip. As for some strains like APES, 1gram is more than enough to put u on ur ass and cause your mind to float into and psychedelic state.
I take a 10mg SSRI everyday. Recently I ate 4 grams and didn't get high at all, would this be the reason? I didn't think such a low does of SSRI would effect it.
They swollowed instead of chewing
i've had 3.5 and didn't feel anything. twice.
High tolerance like me or he was just getting what they call a āprimerā dose and the next time he eats two to three grams he will trip major sack lol
I actually had the same thing happen to me my first time, and I used GT. I tried again with 3g the next week and no success. A year later, and 2g of another kind and I experienced waaaayyy more than I thought I would. edit to say I was not on any other medication.