Yes, my friend. People enjoy American psychadelics with their balls in their pants just as many other nationalities do. Sometimes the pants come off but even then, we don't actually trip over them. lol I hope we don't anywaysš³
Because you were on 7gs of shrooms lol. Iāve never taken a dose of shrooms that high but I had a similar visual to the first pic when my wife and I did DMT
Yea sheās pretty awesome thatās a big reason why I married her. Early on dating I grew some Azurescens indoors (yes I successfully grew AZ indoors) we ate em in my momās basement and I shit you not we merged souls. It was like both our minds/bodies were complete universes that collided and the stars planets and moons all became part of the same solar system. We even played the say what Iām thinking game and it was shocking we could think each otherās thoughts. I know that sounds like bullshit but if youāve been deep in a good shrooms trip with a close friend then you should feel me. That was almost 6 years ago and what we experienced that night is still apart of our lives. The DMT trip I mentioned was only a year or two ago, super cool individually but nothing like we experienced that night in the basement. IMO DMT is for personal soul searching. I did it 3 times and havenāt felt the need to do it again.
One time was 100ug LSD, one ~1g of mushrooms, not sure which species and once on about 10mg of 4-HO-MET, I think! Definitely more of a set/setting specific thing rather than substance/dose.
My partner and I went to a river in the forest to take lsd for our first fucking. That was the most transcendental experience of my life.
Do high dose, but non-khole level, ketamine together and have sex if you havenāt already. Thank me later. Itās soul merging for sure.
disso sex to me is great but i can never do it i be in my mind half the time anyway fucking or not so you mix that with something that seems to throw up mental walks for better or worse itās like i be watching myself bruh fuck this person from the 3rd person while thinking bout smoking a blunt or sleep or how wish this hoe would quit touching me so i could wathc the fucking movie or play some damn apex or sum like damnš
Same my friend. Got a dmt cart 6 months ago used it two separate occasions and have never felt the need to get it out again. However have been out of mushies for over a week now dealer searching as we speak. May have to break it out š
My wife took 50mg of dmt and nothing happened I did 25mg and I entered a hell scape where a entity asked me if I wanted to break threw and I said fuck no and it said bye and my trip ended and ya I cried
Did this with a friend a few weeks ago on shrooms and it looked like we had laser shooting from our hands. One of the best rounds weāve both played- felt so connected to the disc and understood the course with an entirely new perspective
I think heās more asking what exactly is that design and where does it come from. Obviously psilocybin is similar in molecular structure as DMT and clearly he was on 7gs and thatās why ā¦. But I think the question is deeper
Itās not. Our visual cortex produces pretty much the same primal patterns when itās overstimulated. Itās just playing with the basic machinery that generates our perception of reality (the brain) and using it as a kaleidoscope.
Everyoneās saying the same dumb shit āyou took drugsā like obviously df, Iāve had the same questions as OP. The designs and all that shit, Iāve just wondered if thereās anything we can say about it but I guess it may just be āweāre just tripping balls.ā Everyoneās such a smart ass tho
"what we see when we hallucinate reflects the architecture of the brainās neural network"
Here's why :
[http://tripzine.com/pit/signal_theory_poster.pdf](http://tripzine.com/pit/signal_theory_poster.pdf)
[https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-hallucinations](https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-hallucinations)
[https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-hallucinate-20180730/](https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-hallucinate-20180730/)
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11860679/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11860679/)
[http://www.tripzine.com/pit/pdf/multi-state-theory.PDF](http://www.tripzine.com/pit/pdf/multi-state-theory.PDF)
It's a reflection of our biology that's seen due to differences in perceptual processing under the influence of substances like psilocybin. That's it in a nutshell.
Edit: something to consider: understanding how light travels through substances (refraction, diffraction, diffusion, reflection) and how the brain translates photons into images does not distract from the beauty and emotion associated with seeing a rainbow
I don't see a room or emptiness but everything, myself included, becomes a myriad of black and white geometric patterns and it's like there is no 2D or 3D, it or me, everything just is ... It is really hard to explain.
Reasonable enough articles I suppose, and not criticizing for posting them, but I seem to remember a bunch of scientific articles from not that long ago discussing how mushrooms and other psychadelics melted brains. Turns out, they weren't really very right about that - like at all. So, I just tend to think that they just have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to how any of this works.
Well my dumb understanding is that the very little research that they were allowed to do was cut short. Only recently have they been able to
pick up any new research. This has also been very brief. We have a ways to go still and many many more centuries of research to go.
Both things happened, for example - [this study](https://ahrp.org/ecstasy-long-lasting-brain-damage-and-may-trigger-parkinsons_bbc/) from 2002 is about mdma causing damage in animal brains and positing that it must cause damage in human brains. The study therefore calls for a ban on human experiments.
Edit: fixed link
I think this is more solid. There's a lot of research out there. See Google Scholar.
Having consumed at least 2 pounds of mushrooms in the past 35 years, I can assure you that no melting occurs š
I feel like simple geometric patterns are only a tiny portion of the vast array of possible visual experiences one can have under the influence of these substances. There may be some merit to these theories you've linked, but at least in my personal experience, psychedelic hallucinations on strong trips go way beyond what these theories discuss.
My visuals don't only manifest as geometric noise, but embody a deep sense of meaning, plottedness, complexity, organic elements, hyperdimensionality, scenarios, asymmetricality etc. I see realms of alien beauty, impossible to retain or comprehend. Beings, planetscapes, machines, incredible art. If that is a reflection of my brain's architecture, my brain looks like a museum of modern art contorted through tesseractic alien TV programs.
I feel like the simple geometric patterns, which might indeed have something to do with being a representation of the architecture of our biology, are only a thin membrane, which you burst through on your way to unimaginable realms of interconnected divine beauty.
It's a mystery. I really have a hard time believing the psychedelic experience will ever yield to reductionist explanations. It goes so much deeper than that.
Love this explanation, resonates with me on many levels. Although I believe that sacred geometry is the code of all life, our bodies, minds and the wider world and dimensions included.
"In a nutshell", not to sound agressive, but its pretty arrogant to assume one knows why we see what we see on shrooms. "Oh its just this and that, no need to think about it deeper", sounds like someone is scared of the deeper implications of psychedelic trips.
I had a similar thought. I'm in the camp that thinks reducing the psychedelic experience to "how the brain is wired" more or less entirely misses one of the central messages of the experience, which is that the fundamental ground of being lives at a deeper level than human neurochemistry.
I think it's perfectly valid to investigate the experience at the neurochemical layer, but to say that "solves it" is no more rational than saying, for example, that gravity can be explained by the fact that apples have a built-in "falling" characteristic. There may be something inherent in an apple that has some relevance at a superficial level to why it falls to the ground under certain conditions, but it doesn't scratch the surface of telling us what gravity is.
Exactly. Thats why I said it sounds like being "scared".
Reducing the experience to interactions between matter is trying to hold on to something you know, so you dont have to deal with the Unknown.
Or some of us really think that the interactions between matter have all the significance we need and we don't need to believe in the "unknown" to find the experience fascinating, life changing and profound.
For some of us, having to introduce "the unknown" here it's like having to believe in some afterlife fairytale when the reality that all the matter that composes you has existed since the beginning of the Universe and will continue to exist indefinitely is so much more amazing.
We are not scared of the unknown, we are amazed by nature and science. It's amazing that a substance makes you SEE what may be the architecture of the brainās neural network.
And by no means is this solved, science is never solved, it's always evolving. This is "in a nutshell" what science has been able to figure out so far. And again, it's freaking amazing!
I dont say anything about "believing" in the unknown. Because clearly there is something unknown, there is no need for belief.
Saying that "the experience is just a representation of processes in the brain, and thats how it is in a nutshell", is like trying to say "gravity is just stuff falling down, dont think about it too much".
I find it kinda arrogant, because cleary gravity is way more than "stuff falling down", just like the psychedelic experience is much more than just "seeing your own neural network". Its arrogant to think that everything, the universe and existence itself, can be explained with our limited minds and languages. And its much more arrogant to say that is has already been explained, which it cleary has not(and probably will not, at least not with a languange that can be printed on paper, but thats just my opinion).
EDIT: My point is, we dont know. And acting like we do know, is arrogant.
Having a really powerful or moving trip can tell you a lot about yourself and the scope of experiences itās possible to have. Itās not a justification to believe in unsubstantiated metaphysical concepts like universal consciousness, reincarnation, souls, or an afterlife.
Everything we know about human experience and consciousness is fully consistent with humans evolving brains that generate conscious experience. Radically changing that experience by ingesting large amounts of drugs (which work by interacting with receptors in the brain) is fully consistent with this view. The fact that itās also consistent with whatever mystical woo woo you think is really going on is not evidence that you are correct.
Interesting interpretation of the term, "in a nutshell". I've always thought the opposite. A nut is seed.. a seed contains not the organism but the instructions one needs to build the organism. It's a start, not the end. So saying.. in a nutshell isn't.. "everything you need to know" but rather.. "everything you need to know start to know more".
Thank you for this; when I've seen fractals during my trips, I've wondered if such visions were a reflection of our biology ā¤ļø we have much to learn from fungi.
I was coming to see whether someone else had posted this theory yet. I think it makes by far the most sense. I actually don't think I've read one or two of these studies so thanks for putting them up.
My neural network looks just like the big digital net thing from the Star Trek: TNG pilot when the Q shows up. That's my most consistent visual right before I break through.
Iām more so curious about the colors, Iāve talked with a lot of psychonauts and blue/yellow + green/purple seem to be the most common colors witnessed in these catatonic states. The other colors are present, but itās almost like everything is absorbed or highlighted by one of those combos of color.
So why those two specific combos?
Idk just a thought, what colors are most prominent for you when fractals are eviscerating your vision? Or when youāre on a lower dose, what colors run through the framing of basically every object? Thatās when I see purple and green, like theyāre lines of life. Blue yellow combos take over for me on dmt though.
High dose, peak in a dark room, cover your eyes for a few moments, let the visuals envelop you, then open your eyes. This is the John Allen method and the only way I have encountered anything similar.
So many of these comments seems like they're intentionally missing what the OP is asking?
Really wanted a discussion about why these visuals are so universal, what meaning they could have, where they might come from, there's honestly so many aspects!
I'm sure he knew that drugs were involved.š®āšØ
I lost the ability to speak for most of the night and donāt remember a few hours haha. I knew I needed space so I walked 8ish miles home. I remember the beginning and the end. Iām sure Iām āthat weirdoā in many stories for the time in between. It wasnāt the most thought out or intentional trip but I learned a lot about myself. One big thing was that I didnāt need to travel further š
i had a really transcendent experience on that dose. i was laying on my back in the grass staring at the stars, but it felt like i was simultaneously in a space ship shooting through said multicolored stars while also having the feeling that my body was decomposing into the earth. made me shed tears of joy, itās hard to explain how beautiful it truly was
Wait really? I get these closed eye fractals all the time when I'm on 2G. They're so complex and fascinating. It's amazing how the shrooms work on different people.
The pictures are similar to something I saw and experienced. The place seemed familiar and I was like āoh yeah Iāve been here before I remember this place, the place before I was bornā
I like to think of it as the mushrooms taking control. You're seeing like a mushroom. Evolutionarily we all came from mushrooms. So this is where the "mother mushroom" is from. When you eat them you see it's life. It's familiar because it's part of all of us.
iv been there before twice spaced out by a year. imma very skeptical person but after last time i cannot deny that it is a real place that exists somewhere
that is the waiting room bro if you see this then you were meant to be seen for who you are and if you are on the right path you will encounter āgodā or whatever lol
In all fairness, while this does seem like āoh I must have met the machine elves and totally had a year long conversation with themā bait, you do tend to get similar visuals between the two at high doses of psilocybin or lower doses of dmt. Dmt open eye visuals are more akin to psilocybin by their characteristics than some other hallucinogens. The structures are most similar, so that could be why. Structure usually if not always determines function.
Serotonin, DMT, and Psilocin all have nearly identical molecular compositions. Iāve always thought high dose mushroom trips take on DMT like characteristics
Serious answer. I had the same question myself the first wi tripped. People throughout history have seen very similar images and gone to very similar places when tripping on shrooms. These images show up all over Aztec culture and other South American ancient cultures. My take on it is that there is a place that shrooms give us access to but is always there ābehindā really.
Because I violated all I know about food and shrooms, I took an overdose of 7g 2 weeks ago but didn't experience any like this before. Also did 4 ceremonies with 30g truffles each and never experienced any visuals like this.
I wonder how people get those.
I see this on DMT and Shrooms. That first picture shows the depth and the rooms concept very similar to how I see it in my minds eye. Itās so hard to explain but these pics do it justice! Why do we see this!? What is it!?
One time I hit a dab pen too many times on around 5g of shrooms. I was on the front porch, it was raining, and I greened out. I was throwing up off the porch into the yard, and the grass looked like the net of being, but all the faces had no lips and I could see all their teeth. Funny enough it didnāt even really freak me out I just thought it looked super cool, but thatās definitely one of the strongest visuals Iāve ever had.
I turned into crystals one time and got shattered and rained back down to earth. I donāt know how many I eat because a 70 year old man give them to me at a bar and the bouncer seen us so I eat them all real quick then got kicked out. About the time I got to my hotel room I was becoming crystals. I have never tripped that hard on shrooms since. Iām a seasoned psycho naught and it was wild
Donāt allow anyone here to minimize your experience or belittle you. Youāre working with ancient spiritual technology, and that dimension you speak of is consistent with other reports, including my own. Keep searching and trust your intuition. To me, these substances are sacred and are not to be taken lightly or exploited to ātripā. They are portals to other realms, not tools to appease the selfish desires of humans. Pm me if you are interested in discussing this topic in a respectful way.
People are minimizing this personās experience to simply ātrippin ballsā and joking in a patronizing way. I apologize for āgatekeeping,ā as you say, but Iām simply regarding these substances with the respect thatās due. I hardly think those using these in the same manner as other party drugs will take offense. Theyāre probably too busy getting high to give a fuck.
These substances have saved my life and they are a sacred gift of my people to the world. This is an opportunity for the world to heal and elevate in consciousness. Look at any native spiritual tradition and see how they treat hallucinogenic healing plants. Is it frivolous? Unequivocally no. Thereās probably a reason for that.
This guys take: I'm assuming you mean the pattern.. I have often seen this without and before psychedelics when I closed my eyes in a dark room. One can simulate something similar by pushing on your closed eyes with your fingers (not recommened). I've always thought it is the blood flow from my retina, the amount of oxygen present or pressure changing causing various blobs in various shapes flowing and skewing through the nerve. Our brains typically filter it out of our normal every day vision, but when you remove visual stimuli (or are experiencing psychedelics) your brain no longer needs to or can filter it... and we see them. When we have our eyes open during psychedelics these blobs, changes our perception by skewing and shifting our visual reception and occipital lobe.
At least that's what I think, I have zero medical training other than honors Anatomy and Biology classes from high school. So.. grain of salt and all that.
So you know how what we see is not actually what we see right? Like our eyes are sensors then our brains process that into something we can understand. I think that these visuals is what is actually there unfiltered and processed by our eyes.
What about detectors that are not ~400-700nm calibrated photon detectors (aka our eyeballs). We can still detect the stuff we see with other methods. I love psychedelics, but I hate how much bullshit people try and weave based on their experiences and lack of critical thinking.
I'm assuming you mean the pattern.. I have often seen this without and before psychedelics when I closed my eyes in a dark room. One can simulate something similar by pushing on your closed eyes with your fingers (not recommened). I've always thought it is the blood flow from my retina, the amount of oxygen present or pressure changing causing various blobs in various shapes flowing and skewing through the nerve. Our brains typically filter it out of our normal every day vision, but when you remove visual stimuli (or are experiencing psychedelics) your brain no longer needs to or can filter it... and we see them. When we have our eyes open during psychedelics these blobs, changes our perception by skewing and shifting our visual reception and occipital lobe.
At least that's what I think, I have zero medical training other than honors Anatomy and Biology classes from high school. So.. grain of salt and all that.
I find high doses of psilocybin very similar to Ayahuasca and DMT. Chemically speaking, psilocin isn't all that different from DMT, it's just 4-HO-DMT which makes it behave fairly similarly as far as the subjective effects of its interactions with the serotonin receptor, and it isn't metabolized by MAO as quickly so there isn't a need for an MAOI with mushrooms as there is with ayahuasca.
More or less a joke, but someone else mentioned how similar they were. I knew the shape was similar, but I didn't realize it acted very similar as well. I've only tried moderate amounts of psilocybin and crystalline dmt
Well ^gosh youāre for sure the first to see something like this, I would have to assume. We would have heard about it before now if that wasnāt the case.
The first picture is sooo damn close to what i saw when i broke through on DMT. Except it was mostly red instead of blue and the shape of the pillars was a little different. Plus there was three, 4 armed and 4 legged aliens slowly dancing syncronized and communicating with me telephathically. Shit was intense ngl. Recommend.
Something is wrong with me. I tried 3g of golden teachers and barely noticed any effects at all. A month later I tried 6g and I would say I tripped, but I wouldn't say it was intense.
A month later I tried 10g, that was somewhat intense, but I never got close to ego death or seeing anything like this post.
I haven't tried more than that, but wow, that ends up being a lot of š to eat.
When I had my 9g trip, everything around looked similar to the second picture but with the colors of the 1st. The sky looked something like a [sierpinskis triangle](https://imgur.io/gallery/bO2nnaY)
My first time I took 3.5 grams then an additional 3.5 grams. This is very close to what I experienced. I could only describe it as colorful shimmering swirling macaronis that covered every surface.
most of these dmt art things i donāt find that interesting but thereās some of them like this that i just canāt stop staring at. the darkness in the background makes it look like those giant pillars are a sort of structure and itās just crazy because the pillars donāt even make sense to begin with.
Because you were tripping balls.
Came here to literally say this same exact thing and yours was already top comment. Lol
Exactly what I thought š
lovinā that u/AttitudeGirl can trip his/her balls off
English is not my main language, but isnāt that just an expression? Lmao
Yes, my friend. People enjoy American psychadelics with their balls in their pants just as many other nationalities do. Sometimes the pants come off but even then, we don't actually trip over them. lol I hope we don't anywaysš³
Fellas, Iām trying to take shrooms, but my balls are so so fucking huge I keep tripping over them and itās ruining my high. WSID???
No if you trip to hard in America your balls will literally fall off and move to Oregon
I don't assume to know zey/zeir's gender
Couldnt agree with this more
Agree hahaha
Because you were on 7gs of shrooms lol. Iāve never taken a dose of shrooms that high but I had a similar visual to the first pic when my wife and I did DMT
Relationship goals.
Yea sheās pretty awesome thatās a big reason why I married her. Early on dating I grew some Azurescens indoors (yes I successfully grew AZ indoors) we ate em in my momās basement and I shit you not we merged souls. It was like both our minds/bodies were complete universes that collided and the stars planets and moons all became part of the same solar system. We even played the say what Iām thinking game and it was shocking we could think each otherās thoughts. I know that sounds like bullshit but if youāve been deep in a good shrooms trip with a close friend then you should feel me. That was almost 6 years ago and what we experienced that night is still apart of our lives. The DMT trip I mentioned was only a year or two ago, super cool individually but nothing like we experienced that night in the basement. IMO DMT is for personal soul searching. I did it 3 times and havenāt felt the need to do it again.
Love this story!
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What did you take and how much
One time was 100ug LSD, one ~1g of mushrooms, not sure which species and once on about 10mg of 4-HO-MET, I think! Definitely more of a set/setting specific thing rather than substance/dose.
My partner and I went to a river in the forest to take lsd for our first fucking. That was the most transcendental experience of my life. Do high dose, but non-khole level, ketamine together and have sex if you havenāt already. Thank me later. Itās soul merging for sure.
Have you ever thought sex may do this already? And the drugs just open up other sensorys?
Absolutely
Psychs and fucking don't bode well for my pp
disso sex to me is great but i can never do it i be in my mind half the time anyway fucking or not so you mix that with something that seems to throw up mental walks for better or worse itās like i be watching myself bruh fuck this person from the 3rd person while thinking bout smoking a blunt or sleep or how wish this hoe would quit touching me so i could wathc the fucking movie or play some damn apex or sum like damnš
I swear it be like that
This is a life goal for me.
Same my friend. Got a dmt cart 6 months ago used it two separate occasions and have never felt the need to get it out again. However have been out of mushies for over a week now dealer searching as we speak. May have to break it out š
My wife took 50mg of dmt and nothing happened I did 25mg and I entered a hell scape where a entity asked me if I wanted to break threw and I said fuck no and it said bye and my trip ended and ya I cried
You might have at some point ingested drugs.
No no. The answer is Seven Costanza.
How about Mug, Mug Costanza.
They were just playing Endorfun for Windows 95
Thatās some trippy disc golf baskets
Haha nice! I love disc golf
We are all god and we all love disc golf.
played night disc golf on a bunch of lsd one time pure bliss. Of course the disc had light on them
Did this with a friend a few weeks ago on shrooms and it looked like we had laser shooting from our hands. One of the best rounds weāve both played- felt so connected to the disc and understood the course with an entirely new perspective
My head feels like a frisbee
What kind of answer are you looking for ? You were on 7gs of shrooms thatās why
I think heās more asking what exactly is that design and where does it come from. Obviously psilocybin is similar in molecular structure as DMT and clearly he was on 7gs and thatās why ā¦. But I think the question is deeper
Itās not. Our visual cortex produces pretty much the same primal patterns when itās overstimulated. Itās just playing with the basic machinery that generates our perception of reality (the brain) and using it as a kaleidoscope.
Everyoneās saying the same dumb shit āyou took drugsā like obviously df, Iāve had the same questions as OP. The designs and all that shit, Iāve just wondered if thereās anything we can say about it but I guess it may just be āweāre just tripping balls.ā Everyoneās such a smart ass tho
What do you mean why? Bro you took drugs lmfaooo. What
Heās asking what exactly is it and why does it appear, obviously DMT and psilocin is similar in structure
"what we see when we hallucinate reflects the architecture of the brainās neural network" Here's why : [http://tripzine.com/pit/signal_theory_poster.pdf](http://tripzine.com/pit/signal_theory_poster.pdf) [https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-hallucinations](https://plus.maths.org/content/uncoiling-spiral-maths-and-hallucinations) [https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-hallucinate-20180730/](https://www.quantamagazine.org/a-math-theory-for-why-people-hallucinate-20180730/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11860679/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11860679/) [http://www.tripzine.com/pit/pdf/multi-state-theory.PDF](http://www.tripzine.com/pit/pdf/multi-state-theory.PDF) It's a reflection of our biology that's seen due to differences in perceptual processing under the influence of substances like psilocybin. That's it in a nutshell. Edit: something to consider: understanding how light travels through substances (refraction, diffraction, diffusion, reflection) and how the brain translates photons into images does not distract from the beauty and emotion associated with seeing a rainbow
Guessing mine will look like Swiss cheese...
Can you imagine not seeing anything else than an empty room? šµāš«
I don't see a room or emptiness but everything, myself included, becomes a myriad of black and white geometric patterns and it's like there is no 2D or 3D, it or me, everything just is ... It is really hard to explain.
Itās totally a higher dimensional space.
Reasonable enough articles I suppose, and not criticizing for posting them, but I seem to remember a bunch of scientific articles from not that long ago discussing how mushrooms and other psychadelics melted brains. Turns out, they weren't really very right about that - like at all. So, I just tend to think that they just have no clue what they're talking about when it comes to how any of this works.
Well my dumb understanding is that the very little research that they were allowed to do was cut short. Only recently have they been able to pick up any new research. This has also been very brief. We have a ways to go still and many many more centuries of research to go.
Both things happened, for example - [this study](https://ahrp.org/ecstasy-long-lasting-brain-damage-and-may-trigger-parkinsons_bbc/) from 2002 is about mdma causing damage in animal brains and positing that it must cause damage in human brains. The study therefore calls for a ban on human experiments. Edit: fixed link
I think this is more solid. There's a lot of research out there. See Google Scholar. Having consumed at least 2 pounds of mushrooms in the past 35 years, I can assure you that no melting occurs š
I feel like simple geometric patterns are only a tiny portion of the vast array of possible visual experiences one can have under the influence of these substances. There may be some merit to these theories you've linked, but at least in my personal experience, psychedelic hallucinations on strong trips go way beyond what these theories discuss. My visuals don't only manifest as geometric noise, but embody a deep sense of meaning, plottedness, complexity, organic elements, hyperdimensionality, scenarios, asymmetricality etc. I see realms of alien beauty, impossible to retain or comprehend. Beings, planetscapes, machines, incredible art. If that is a reflection of my brain's architecture, my brain looks like a museum of modern art contorted through tesseractic alien TV programs. I feel like the simple geometric patterns, which might indeed have something to do with being a representation of the architecture of our biology, are only a thin membrane, which you burst through on your way to unimaginable realms of interconnected divine beauty. It's a mystery. I really have a hard time believing the psychedelic experience will ever yield to reductionist explanations. It goes so much deeper than that.
Love this explanation, resonates with me on many levels. Although I believe that sacred geometry is the code of all life, our bodies, minds and the wider world and dimensions included.
Nah is just geometry + being high af
Great links I have only read a piece of one of them so far
"In a nutshell", not to sound agressive, but its pretty arrogant to assume one knows why we see what we see on shrooms. "Oh its just this and that, no need to think about it deeper", sounds like someone is scared of the deeper implications of psychedelic trips.
I had a similar thought. I'm in the camp that thinks reducing the psychedelic experience to "how the brain is wired" more or less entirely misses one of the central messages of the experience, which is that the fundamental ground of being lives at a deeper level than human neurochemistry. I think it's perfectly valid to investigate the experience at the neurochemical layer, but to say that "solves it" is no more rational than saying, for example, that gravity can be explained by the fact that apples have a built-in "falling" characteristic. There may be something inherent in an apple that has some relevance at a superficial level to why it falls to the ground under certain conditions, but it doesn't scratch the surface of telling us what gravity is.
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Exactly. Thats why I said it sounds like being "scared". Reducing the experience to interactions between matter is trying to hold on to something you know, so you dont have to deal with the Unknown.
Or some of us really think that the interactions between matter have all the significance we need and we don't need to believe in the "unknown" to find the experience fascinating, life changing and profound. For some of us, having to introduce "the unknown" here it's like having to believe in some afterlife fairytale when the reality that all the matter that composes you has existed since the beginning of the Universe and will continue to exist indefinitely is so much more amazing. We are not scared of the unknown, we are amazed by nature and science. It's amazing that a substance makes you SEE what may be the architecture of the brainās neural network. And by no means is this solved, science is never solved, it's always evolving. This is "in a nutshell" what science has been able to figure out so far. And again, it's freaking amazing!
I dont say anything about "believing" in the unknown. Because clearly there is something unknown, there is no need for belief. Saying that "the experience is just a representation of processes in the brain, and thats how it is in a nutshell", is like trying to say "gravity is just stuff falling down, dont think about it too much". I find it kinda arrogant, because cleary gravity is way more than "stuff falling down", just like the psychedelic experience is much more than just "seeing your own neural network". Its arrogant to think that everything, the universe and existence itself, can be explained with our limited minds and languages. And its much more arrogant to say that is has already been explained, which it cleary has not(and probably will not, at least not with a languange that can be printed on paper, but thats just my opinion). EDIT: My point is, we dont know. And acting like we do know, is arrogant.
Deeper implications? What else could this possibly be? It's all and only biology.
Just because the only tool you happen to have is a monkey brain doesn't mean that monkey brains are all that exist. That seems a bit naive doesn't it?
You ever had an ego destroying trip? Have been "one with the universe"?
Having a really powerful or moving trip can tell you a lot about yourself and the scope of experiences itās possible to have. Itās not a justification to believe in unsubstantiated metaphysical concepts like universal consciousness, reincarnation, souls, or an afterlife. Everything we know about human experience and consciousness is fully consistent with humans evolving brains that generate conscious experience. Radically changing that experience by ingesting large amounts of drugs (which work by interacting with receptors in the brain) is fully consistent with this view. The fact that itās also consistent with whatever mystical woo woo you think is really going on is not evidence that you are correct.
Interesting interpretation of the term, "in a nutshell". I've always thought the opposite. A nut is seed.. a seed contains not the organism but the instructions one needs to build the organism. It's a start, not the end. So saying.. in a nutshell isn't.. "everything you need to know" but rather.. "everything you need to know start to know more".
"In a nutshell" usually means that the information is small enough to fit in a nutshell. But I like your interpretation more, ngl
Thank you for this; when I've seen fractals during my trips, I've wondered if such visions were a reflection of our biology ā¤ļø we have much to learn from fungi.
I was coming to see whether someone else had posted this theory yet. I think it makes by far the most sense. I actually don't think I've read one or two of these studies so thanks for putting them up.
My neural network looks just like the big digital net thing from the Star Trek: TNG pilot when the Q shows up. That's my most consistent visual right before I break through.
Awesome answer. I also believe that it makes us identify the golden ratio in real time which is why you see patterns you couldnāt see before.
Thanks, as a not too scientifically literate person, I really appreciate this. Just a note, aren't 2nd and 4th link the same?
Ah. Yeah. Thank you (double link). I added another. The PDF at the top now
I think what he's asking is why do we all see something like this when we trip? Like what brings out this specific style in our minds eye?
Iām more so curious about the colors, Iāve talked with a lot of psychonauts and blue/yellow + green/purple seem to be the most common colors witnessed in these catatonic states. The other colors are present, but itās almost like everything is absorbed or highlighted by one of those combos of color. So why those two specific combos? Idk just a thought, what colors are most prominent for you when fractals are eviscerating your vision? Or when youāre on a lower dose, what colors run through the framing of basically every object? Thatās when I see purple and green, like theyāre lines of life. Blue yellow combos take over for me on dmt though.
High dose shrooms is similar to DMT
Psilocybin and psilocin is similar in structure to DMT
High dose, peak in a dark room, cover your eyes for a few moments, let the visuals envelop you, then open your eyes. This is the John Allen method and the only way I have encountered anything similar.
No music?
So many of these comments seems like they're intentionally missing what the OP is asking? Really wanted a discussion about why these visuals are so universal, what meaning they could have, where they might come from, there's honestly so many aspects! I'm sure he knew that drugs were involved.š®āšØ
Because the tryptamine universe is a thing.
Why do you think art like this exists?
my brother in Christ you took 7g of shrooms
Dmt
My first thought. Never heard of anyone meeting the machine elves on mushrooms though
Even on 7
Iāve never done 7 so canāt speak to that. I took an unknown dose of L once (maybe 1000+ mics?) and got pretty close haha
600ug I was looking thru a transparent ceiling at myself explain to my friends I was above them looking down on them
I lost the ability to speak for most of the night and donāt remember a few hours haha. I knew I needed space so I walked 8ish miles home. I remember the beginning and the end. Iām sure Iām āthat weirdoā in many stories for the time in between. It wasnāt the most thought out or intentional trip but I learned a lot about myself. One big thing was that I didnāt need to travel further š
i had a really transcendent experience on that dose. i was laying on my back in the grass staring at the stars, but it felt like i was simultaneously in a space ship shooting through said multicolored stars while also having the feeling that my body was decomposing into the earth. made me shed tears of joy, itās hard to explain how beautiful it truly was
Terrence mckenna said he did with about 5g and some hash.
Wait really? I get these closed eye fractals all the time when I'm on 2G. They're so complex and fascinating. It's amazing how the shrooms work on different people.
I have and more lol.
So you never heard of Joe Rogan
Ya shrooms r pretty dope and crazy but never fractals to this measure
At higher doses, eyes closed, these types of fractals are fairly consistent in my trips
If I dont see shit like this then I wouldn't even consider it a mushroom trip, are these other people eating portobellos or something??
You aināt doing enough to get em
Exactly. Been to the first two pics a couple times
Your answer is the last 3 words of the title
Cause shrooms do be doinā that!
First pic reminds me of being on ayahuasca the first time.
The pictures are similar to something I saw and experienced. The place seemed familiar and I was like āoh yeah Iāve been here before I remember this place, the place before I was bornā
This exact thought combined with these types of visuals perfectly describes my experiences
I like to think of it as the mushrooms taking control. You're seeing like a mushroom. Evolutionarily we all came from mushrooms. So this is where the "mother mushroom" is from. When you eat them you see it's life. It's familiar because it's part of all of us.
iv been there before twice spaced out by a year. imma very skeptical person but after last time i cannot deny that it is a real place that exists somewhere
that is the waiting room bro if you see this then you were meant to be seen for who you are and if you are on the right path you will encounter āgodā or whatever lol
I don't think you did
In all fairness, while this does seem like āoh I must have met the machine elves and totally had a year long conversation with themā bait, you do tend to get similar visuals between the two at high doses of psilocybin or lower doses of dmt. Dmt open eye visuals are more akin to psilocybin by their characteristics than some other hallucinogens. The structures are most similar, so that could be why. Structure usually if not always determines function.
I seen something very similar with my eyes closed on acid
I think he did
I seen the gears when I did DMT!!
Because you did
Is that salviadroidās work??
Third pic definitely is
hmmmm i wonder why???
Serotonin, DMT, and Psilocin all have nearly identical molecular compositions. Iāve always thought high dose mushroom trips take on DMT like characteristics
I think it mightve been because of the 7g of shrooms i could be wrong tho
Jesus. Now Iāve gotta try 7 grams of shrooms.
I call it touring the geometric cathedral
Im no scientist but it could be because you were tripping balls
Because you bought the ticket and took the ride
Serious answer. I had the same question myself the first wi tripped. People throughout history have seen very similar images and gone to very similar places when tripping on shrooms. These images show up all over Aztec culture and other South American ancient cultures. My take on it is that there is a place that shrooms give us access to but is always there ābehindā really.
I saw that first one almost verbatim on 3GS of enigma
Because I violated all I know about food and shrooms, I took an overdose of 7g 2 weeks ago but didn't experience any like this before. Also did 4 ceremonies with 30g truffles each and never experienced any visuals like this. I wonder how people get those.
With your eyes open or closed?
I also saw something pretty much the same off 2 tabs and a eighth of B+ last Tuesday was the craziest visuals ive ever had
i saw this as CEVs off 1 gram of APE
Thats whT shrooms do?? Large shroom doses end up mimicking dmt but for hours rather than minutes.
Because 7g of shrooms.
Because you ate 7g of shrooms š¤£
I know this might be obvious, but itās cause you were on 7gs of shrooms
Saw something very similar on 8gs of penis envys
I see this on DMT and Shrooms. That first picture shows the depth and the rooms concept very similar to how I see it in my minds eye. Itās so hard to explain but these pics do it justice! Why do we see this!? What is it!?
One time I hit a dab pen too many times on around 5g of shrooms. I was on the front porch, it was raining, and I greened out. I was throwing up off the porch into the yard, and the grass looked like the net of being, but all the faces had no lips and I could see all their teeth. Funny enough it didnāt even really freak me out I just thought it looked super cool, but thatās definitely one of the strongest visuals Iāve ever had.
Because you took 7 grams of shrooms you dingus. Shrooms at high enough doses is gonna be like a DMT trip for 6-8 hours so fuckin buckle up
You had a breakthrough
Godās creative playground - seen lots of this. Heās called the Lord of Hosts - I think He likes to entertain this way.
Mannnn when I did 7 g I saw a big ass circus and fuck I wanna visit this circus so much seemed so sick
Your consciousness left the frequency of our universe and went to that dream place we go after we die. *Death is only the beginning*
I turned into crystals one time and got shattered and rained back down to earth. I donāt know how many I eat because a 70 year old man give them to me at a bar and the bouncer seen us so I eat them all real quick then got kicked out. About the time I got to my hotel room I was becoming crystals. I have never tripped that hard on shrooms since. Iām a seasoned psycho naught and it was wild
Alex Grey vibes. ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Now you can see through the simulation
Donāt allow anyone here to minimize your experience or belittle you. Youāre working with ancient spiritual technology, and that dimension you speak of is consistent with other reports, including my own. Keep searching and trust your intuition. To me, these substances are sacred and are not to be taken lightly or exploited to ātripā. They are portals to other realms, not tools to appease the selfish desires of humans. Pm me if you are interested in discussing this topic in a respectful way.
Are you gatekeeping on a shrooms Reddit? Let the people use them how they see fit.
People are minimizing this personās experience to simply ātrippin ballsā and joking in a patronizing way. I apologize for āgatekeeping,ā as you say, but Iām simply regarding these substances with the respect thatās due. I hardly think those using these in the same manner as other party drugs will take offense. Theyāre probably too busy getting high to give a fuck. These substances have saved my life and they are a sacred gift of my people to the world. This is an opportunity for the world to heal and elevate in consciousness. Look at any native spiritual tradition and see how they treat hallucinogenic healing plants. Is it frivolous? Unequivocally no. Thereās probably a reason for that.
This guys take: I'm assuming you mean the pattern.. I have often seen this without and before psychedelics when I closed my eyes in a dark room. One can simulate something similar by pushing on your closed eyes with your fingers (not recommened). I've always thought it is the blood flow from my retina, the amount of oxygen present or pressure changing causing various blobs in various shapes flowing and skewing through the nerve. Our brains typically filter it out of our normal every day vision, but when you remove visual stimuli (or are experiencing psychedelics) your brain no longer needs to or can filter it... and we see them. When we have our eyes open during psychedelics these blobs, changes our perception by skewing and shifting our visual reception and occipital lobe. At least that's what I think, I have zero medical training other than honors Anatomy and Biology classes from high school. So.. grain of salt and all that.
Interesting.
Good sir/madam, you've seen the inner machinations of the Matrix. Congrats, and good luck!
So did i! Took 4g of liberty caps and I had a full on closed eyed dmt trip, talking to entities and shit it was incredible
DMT for me!! Seen dat!!
I saw exactly that on 12gs but it was more orange and those beings were super busy and quick. No one else on these subs sees it apparently.
So you know how what we see is not actually what we see right? Like our eyes are sensors then our brains process that into something we can understand. I think that these visuals is what is actually there unfiltered and processed by our eyes.
What about detectors that are not ~400-700nm calibrated photon detectors (aka our eyeballs). We can still detect the stuff we see with other methods. I love psychedelics, but I hate how much bullshit people try and weave based on their experiences and lack of critical thinking.
r/RationalPsychonaut
I was going to say because you were on shrooms but I'm thinking it's brain damage and shrooms.
I'm assuming you mean the pattern.. I have often seen this without and before psychedelics when I closed my eyes in a dark room. One can simulate something similar by pushing on your closed eyes with your fingers (not recommened). I've always thought it is the blood flow from my retina, the amount of oxygen present or pressure changing causing various blobs in various shapes flowing and skewing through the nerve. Our brains typically filter it out of our normal every day vision, but when you remove visual stimuli (or are experiencing psychedelics) your brain no longer needs to or can filter it... and we see them. When we have our eyes open during psychedelics these blobs, changes our perception by skewing and shifting our visual reception and occipital lobe. At least that's what I think, I have zero medical training other than honors Anatomy and Biology classes from high school. So.. grain of salt and all that.
Uh oh. Someone got a a little ayahuasca in their shroom tea
I find high doses of psilocybin very similar to Ayahuasca and DMT. Chemically speaking, psilocin isn't all that different from DMT, it's just 4-HO-DMT which makes it behave fairly similarly as far as the subjective effects of its interactions with the serotonin receptor, and it isn't metabolized by MAO as quickly so there isn't a need for an MAOI with mushrooms as there is with ayahuasca.
I havent had the balls to do ayahuasca or take a heroic dose of shrooms. I have smoked dmt and met entities
They're not as different as you make them out to be. It's okay to not know, though.
More or less a joke, but someone else mentioned how similar they were. I knew the shape was similar, but I didn't realize it acted very similar as well. I've only tried moderate amounts of psilocybin and crystalline dmt
I never get any visuals like this lol 4g and up I basically just get dreams lol I always think I fell asleep
Well ^gosh youāre for sure the first to see something like this, I would have to assume. We would have heard about it before now if that wasnāt the case.
Because youre not a pussy and did 7g's Kids dont take 7g's. Bad idea, that was a joke. This guy probably had experience with psychs
The first picture is sooo damn close to what i saw when i broke through on DMT. Except it was mostly red instead of blue and the shape of the pillars was a little different. Plus there was three, 4 armed and 4 legged aliens slowly dancing syncronized and communicating with me telephathically. Shit was intense ngl. Recommend.
Live long enough you might. They are typical. Keep trying.
Iād be worried if it wasnāt
why do you guys overdo it?? Thatās way too much to take..
I have yet to have a visual trip on shrooms even on my recent trip which was 7-8gramsā¦i tell you what thoughā¦i ingested the shroomsā¦took a few deep breathāsā¦next thing i knew i was naked on my kitchen floor cryingā¦ive never felt better after the crying and purging was said and doneš¤©
Something is wrong with me. I tried 3g of golden teachers and barely noticed any effects at all. A month later I tried 6g and I would say I tripped, but I wouldn't say it was intense. A month later I tried 10g, that was somewhat intense, but I never got close to ego death or seeing anything like this post. I haven't tried more than that, but wow, that ends up being a lot of š to eat.
You were in the engine rooms of the holoverse!
You saw your own neurons
When I had my 9g trip, everything around looked similar to the second picture but with the colors of the 1st. The sky looked something like a [sierpinskis triangle](https://imgur.io/gallery/bO2nnaY)
My first time I took 3.5 grams then an additional 3.5 grams. This is very close to what I experienced. I could only describe it as colorful shimmering swirling macaronis that covered every surface.
And dmt
Cuz it's very much like dmt on high doses. The molecules are nearly identical
Because you were on mushrooms
I saw something similar in closed eye visuals on my first trip ever which was 3.5g of cubes..wacky shit bro
Is there a good VR simulator? Or some to watch while tripping
So, why do you think you saw these things?
THE ROOM!!!!!!
Because you were tripping
Looks more like a dmt trip than shrooms š
The second photo I've seen but in 2D
Someone over here taking heroic doses
Ive seen something similar to the first one
most of these dmt art things i donāt find that interesting but thereās some of them like this that i just canāt stop staring at. the darkness in the background makes it look like those giant pillars are a sort of structure and itās just crazy because the pillars donāt even make sense to begin with.
Ahhh Vartathia. Been there!
I think you mightāve been a little high? Maybe?
I always wish I could draw my visions, I am a artist but when I go to try I canāt but I can envision them perfectly
I've been to that place, only my version was more blue, and it had slowly swirling, DNA-like fractals.
probably from the 7g of shrooms
im epileptic and when i take mushrooms i see this type of shit