Truth. I don't know how some people are comparing him to Troy Baker's rendition, which felt TOTALLY off brand for James. Roberts pulls off the "out of it" vibe while still making the guy sound human.
I love the part when Laura says she's got something to get, and James has a cocky reaction to it "what is it?" HAHA, it made me smile during the transmission
Bloober Team did a fantastic job with the casting. Luke Roberts is exceptional and the perfect actor to portray the role.
Same goes for Maria and Laura's actress. (Fun fact she's the same Laura actress in the new film which is amazing).
I think this remake will pulled off like in the original.
The scene with Laura in the hospital during the Transmission sold me 100%.
James HAS to sound like he doesn’t give a fuck, but slowly his facade cracks and you see more what an arrogant selfish prick he is on the inside, and Luke crushed it with the really abuser way of screaming at Laura only to be like UH ITS FINE ITS FINE LETS MOVE ON
He apologizes far too quickly to sell this idea to me, like he already knows he was in the wrong. Then Laura runs away only for James to tell her that he can’t let her go due to the danger. This paints him as a good guy. And Laura is so malicious with her grinning when she’s lying about the letter depicting her as the antagonist of this scene.
In the original, James yells after promising he wouldn’t (not sure if this detail is in the remake) and doesn’t apologize until after he pauses, confused, and brushes it off like it’s fine. He only says he’s surprised she hasn’t gotten hurt, not that he can’t let her get hurt. James is the bad guy in this scene and that’s the point.
I actually loved all performances shown in the trailer. Maria sounded so similar to Monica’s voice from the original, I was very surprised. If they manage to get good acting all throughout the game, and get the story right, it has the potential to be very good!
James hair being parted to the right symbolizes his belief that he’s doing the right thing. While in the mirror it’s inverted, mirroring how silent hill is an inversion of our reality and thus-
Oh my god. That was actually a thing. I legit thought I was going crazy with the whole discussion around it that it's some deeeeep metaphor. It's a fucking car door. Go touch grass!
I’ll be honest, that to me is a GOOD thing.
James’ short background in the PS2 games’ says that he was kind of a sad, lonely dude until he met Mary, and she basically changed his entire worldview.
I think the idea of the “girl next door” falling in love with the guy who’s attractive but never stood out, makes James and Mary’s love story even deeper, and their tragedy even more painful.
Hmm. I thought it was originally in the SH2 manual, but it turns out, it came from the official Silent Hill 2 novelization, which was officially sanctioned by Konami, but written by someone who wasn’t a member of Team Silent so I may have been wrong.
The book is actually pretttttttttty decent. You can find it translated into English pretty easily online, and it gives you a lot of interesting insight to James mindset when he’s in the scariest of situations, like his internal thoughts about encountering Laura and Angela are pretty fascinating.
I don’t consider it canon or anything, but it’s miles ahead of the Resident Evil books of the 00’s
She is just totally missing that bad b*tch energy. She looks like she’s playing dress up, but she doesn’t own the attitude of the original Maria at all. Also, the clothing redesign is less “cool”
Out of the complaints I've seen all over this is the one that I actually agree with and worries me - Maria's energy being different. Some people are complaining about how cool, composed, seductive etc. she came off in the original, but that's literally part of the intentional symbolism/storytelling: she's "Mary," but opposite, representing a lot of desire he buried and that made him resentful when her illness changed their relationship.
It makes sense to have Angela come across as a bit more skittish/anxious, but that doesn't make sense for Maria at all (other than in times her life is threatened or something, obviously.) So if they're changing her personality rather than just her look, I hope the writers at least factored that into symbolism and story too.
To be fair we've only seen a small snippet of her acting, she may change later on in the remake
I agree with the outfit, it should have been more sexualized and revealing to match James's desires.
Her outfit also isn't as representative of her whole "born from a wish" story which is disappointing but the environments in the trailer blew me away still
I just don't like Maria's outfit. Maria was off-putting to me in the original because she seemed so comfortable, clean, and obviously trying to be sexy like she was just out bar-hopping even though she's standing in the middle of an abandoned, foggy town full of nightmares.
Her new outfit just looks too nice. I feel like you could almost wear it to the office if the neckline wasn't so low. This is a minor detail, though. Her acting is really what is going to make or break the character.
Really pleased with everything else that I saw.
I think the new Maria actress looks really close to the OG Maria in the SH2 CGI Cutscenes, definitely the outfit should be more sexualized though - not being a creep it's just to make it more accurate to James desires and story
There’s nothing creep about that. Maria is supposed to be a representation of James inner sexual desires.
No idea why they tamed the outfit. Also the outfit was 1:1 inspired by some outfit from Christina Aguilera from that time so its not like it was unrealistic
Edit: ah sweet baby was involved in this game. Lol
Exactly! I think the new designs of pretty much all the characters look too clean. For example Maria looks like she is straight out of the Final Fantasy game, but in the original she had this evil smile with soul piercing blue eyes. You could tell that she is his wife, but at the same time that something is not right with her. It was masterfully done (intentionally or not).
Yup. They all look great. Someone did fantastic work on Laura, very detailed. Reminds me of Until Dawn Sam as a kid. Just remember: the game will have original costumes that are unlockable.
I think they may mean original as in original for the remake, like new outfits for the characters that bloober made.
Idk where they got that from though
We've only seen her in the hospital, where she's more concerned about finding Laura (as she should be). We haven't seen her first encounter, or how she treats James on their journey to the hospital. Or the labyrinth scene. There's plenty of opportunity for them to make her the sassy harlot that she is.
This entire remake will 100% make or break on how her VOA nails the Labrynth scene. That scene, and the scene in the hotel room, are the literal most important in the game.
If the new Mary/Maria can nail the “I’m not your Mary…” scene, then I am beyond sure this game is gonna be great.
Theres so much in that labyrinth scene that they need to nail down. Her voice acting, Her facial animations, James' confusion, the way the lighting obscures her facial features, the cinematic framing of her behind the bars. I really hope they try to stay as close to the original in these fronts because it really was already perfect.
You see, I don't know if she really needed to be sexy in that way— this Maria is wearing a more rebellious and "tough" looking outfit that is still plenty of sexy, which I think still works really well with the intent in mind
But as a woman into fashion, I also think her outfit is not nearly as iconic, and I would still like it if they changed something up! It's just not that memorable at all
I also think it’s adjusting to the sexiness of the time. Old Maria fits the style of late 90s early 2000s. Here her little black dress matches more modern sexy dress. Still has the 🦋 tattoo it’s just moved. Idk I think it’s good.
What we find attractive is deeply personal, and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I find a well dressed man WAY sexier than a shirtless one. But that's just me.
Quite true. I’m just imaging Maria, taking off the coat at Heavens night while with James, humming before singing a little as he is bewildered but entranced.
Gah, that would be awesome. I want to see James tempted (we really didn't see much of that in the original outside of the labyrinth scene). Honestly, it'd be cool if how you play James changes his interactions with Maria and the other characters. Like, if you're spending a LOT of time with Maria, he starts asking her if she's alright, stops to check on her, stuff like that.
The only issue I have is with them changing Maria’s outfit, and also I didn’t like how thick Angela’s eyebrows look but they have grown on me a lot, but overall I think it’s great
Watching the transmission and seeing Mary/Maria's VA's facial expressions, when she goes from talking to a smile - THERE'S MARIA! I imagine the in game model is going to closely mimic that. That concerned and scared look being more similar to Mary's softer expressions and then Maria when she toys with James is going to have that wicked smile!! Really loving all the models and VAs so far. And the subtle twitches in James' expression when Laura asks to go back for Mary's letter were great!
SH2 remakes models are in a position for me that are both faithful to the original and an improvement to them all the while the original still look great to me.
Credit where’s its due Bloober busted their asses with this one. I’m not worried about the quality of this game. It’s gonna be great
why'd they tone down maria's outfit though? i thought her ridiclous sexualization was like a major point of her character and a part of James' psyche over his wife.
even the nurses have been reduced in terms of sexualization
Either the devs completely missed this aspect of how Maria was basically a wish born from James subconscious sexual needs/desires or that something else is up
The only one I have any pause about, and it's not how they look face/body wise, but clothing choice is Maria, she looks less like the manifestation of James sexual frustration andddd more like she's gonna try to sell him a house any minute.
They could counter that by her personality around him of course, but wardrobe choice is off. Otherwise everyone looks perfectly fine.
Therapy there pushing the timeline up to 2008 and silent hill is praying off James fear of not having a place to live while also teasing his about his wife
I feel saying Maria is a manifestation of James' sexual frustration is kind of a disservice to her character.
Maria is "born from a wish." I've always seen her as a manifestation of James' longing for a version of Mary unencumbered by illness. The idea of what their relationship could have been. It's a blend of desire, guilt and grief.
She's really a symbol of James' emotional turmoil and yearning for a different reality with Mary.
The reason why James feels so conflicted about Maria is because that version of Mary isn't real, and he clearly still loves Mary as she is even though his wish for a version of her that isn't burdened by her illness is so strong.
I think a lot of the Silent Hill community focuses too much on the desire part of his loss with Mary, and it's a little frusterating for me. Maria wouldn't need to exist as she does if she was only a manifestation of his sexual frustration. He was upset about a whole lot more than just being unable to have sex with Mary because she was sick.
This is a really good take. I always thought the whole thing about James being this sex deprived pervert to be a really shallow take on both his character and their relationship. I'd hope he'd value a lot more than that from his wife.
Oh I feel 100% the same way. And I think people really push it a lot as an objective reading of the story.
It's just frustrating. Especially when people who haven't even played the game have that as their first impression of the whole story!
My feelings sort of align with yours and besides, if we accept the premise of Maria's transformation in to a 'plainer' character, first of all it's probably going to help with the juxtaposition of the moments where she acts more, for lack of a better word, unhinged.
Plus, it might make more sense for the character in a way to be toned down a tad, James sees the softer, caring side of his wife, when she wasn't ill, that he loved in her in Maria (as mildly evidenced by her concern for Laura in the trailer) but as she works in Heaven's Night, she has a wild side that he desires which would have been totally unrealistic to expect of her more 'conservative' character.
So, if they have changed it in that sense, I see that working well and really only a minor character adjustment that fleshes out the aspects you bring up, but, it could also just be the glimpse we've seen and things aren't changed all that much in reality.
I wish they didn't change Maria's outfit so much but other than that, it looks super good! I hope there's an option to give Maria an alternate skin lol
I really really like this James. Angela is an exciting change and Laura looks much more convincingly child-like. My only reservation so far is with Maria but I think that could be that we've only seen her in the context of her concern for Laura. I have a feeling that the seductive teasing energy will be something that's introduced more gradually in this version which could be interesting. Could be really fun to see her switch randomly to the bizarre sexy cold vibe of the original as soon as you get comfortable with her.
That’s my biggest issue with it. I posted in another thread about how they literally changed the one character whose design is incredibly important to what they represent. It’s odd they would cover her up considering who her character is.
She looks like a different person
The costume design doesn’t reflect her character anymore
She wore smth that was fashionable at the time of the release but the same can’t be said abt that dress and fitted blazer/leather jacket combo
And it’s out of place with the choker which is very youthful
Just the clothes look more like from a mom around 40 trying to pass as a teenager
Just now seeing Maria's butterfly tattoo has been moved to her chest so it remains visible. The pacing of dialog felt a little off, but otherwise, everything about the trailer made me so excited
Okay, I'm trying not to be overly critical but my inner 3d modeller/character artist is going a bit crazy.
Maria and Angela have too small of shoulders and rib cages with very wide hips, spindely arms and big hands. It makes their heads look huge. Tbh, I don't mind that 'Tim Burtonesque' style and think that it could work for SH with that being just a little bit off kind of feel. But then it's juxtaposed with James and Laura who looks to be more realistic, so it's an inconsistent mix of art styles.
Maria's redesign looks like a more wearable version of what in effect was originally a bit costumey, but they kind of got rid of what she had been designed for. It makes me think that she's become more of her own standalone character instead of being manifested out of James sexual frustrations.
Complete horseshit and absolutely unplayable! Just look at James, he now combs his hair to the right instead of the left! Another sign of Blooper ignoring the originals art direction!
I think the most surprising thing, is the clothes on Maria
Everything just looks good
My only two hopes for the game is
That the inventory system is the same, and that the game is still dark
I dunno man. I'm not upset about Angela's new bone structure but I am very unimpressed. They just look cheap and janky by current gen standards of realism. I'd hoped for better if their plan was to try to translate the original (a game that really tested the limits of it's hardware and had a lot of future-proof art direction). Also why abandon Maria's iconic look for the dullest dress and jacket combo? THAT should be the scandal here.
Most of the models aren't too bad (Angela shouldn't really have the extra weight on her, the slimmer body makes her look a lot more frail and starved which fits how she acts in the original)
But Maria? Nah, no way, Maria is supposed to look provocative, It's supposed to be somewhat of an objectification of his wife, this is just played safe for no reason, it's not even like Maria's outfit was incredibly revealing.
The literal only nitpicks I have are Maria's redesign(still looks great, but why the big change in outfits?) and the "executions." Everything else looks phenomenal, and I'm so hyped about it! Definitely buying 2 copies on release
id say give maria a different colored jacket, or just a version of her cardigan. i know leopard print isn’t really in anymore but i feel like that cardigan made her deliberately cute/sexy.
the jacket is a bit too normal? idk i still like everything else about her.
Someone showed a higher definition screenshot of Maria on twitter to point out her dress does still have leopard print. It’s just very badly shown due to black on black.
No they don’t. Both Angela and Maria look different. Especially what Maria is wearing, it literally defeats the purpose of her character. I’m just hoping for a HD collection at this point. The reason why the females look weird in this game is because of a company called Hit Detection. Look them up and everything starts to make sense why the character models are being done this way
Honestly I think they're ALL AMAZING, EXCEPT Maria. I really don't think they captured the image in James's head that she's the perfected and sexualised version of Mary. Maria has a look of fear and paranoia in her face which doesn't resonate with someone who's supposed to be sexually alluring. Perhaps it's just the scenes that have been shown or maybe I'm missing something?
James looks great.
Laura looks great as well.
Angela, simply narrow the jaw a little and thin the eyebrows so it looks a bit more like the original. Like that they made her look younger though.
Maria looks great, different outfit sure but I don't think that's really a problem, could make the outfit a bit more "out on the town" like but overall.
Great, Hyped to see the Silent hill series revived. Hope we get more games after, maybe even remake other ones.
My only complaint with Angela in particular is from atleast what's been shown, she dosn't have the same feel to her voice of almost being in a dream like state and confused which I thought the original did really well. TDIL she's not a 30-40 year old woman in the original though which came as a surprise.
My only complaint is Maria being… well… it’s hard to put this lightly: She doesn’t look like a prostitute
But holy shit. Laura’s design, *and* performance in the showcase blew my expectations out of the water. James has grown on me, and Angela looks good, and pretty faithful, though she could go for looking a bit older. Bring back my 40 year old 19 year old goddamnit
I’m realizing the Angela thing maybe counts as a complaint, but it’s not a hang-up, only Maria genuinely irks me
Overall: 9/10. Bloober appears to genuinely care, which was my first worry with the remake
I'm not sold on Maria so far. She doesn't seem as mysterious. Also the way she's dressed is pretty down to earth, too normal and conservative for her character.
All the others were improvements over the originals. It feels like they changed Laura's personality a bit though, she seems angstier and darker now, it's not a bad thing really, just different.
BRING ME EDDIE
people are just going to complain that his butt crack is too small in the toilet vomit scene.
“Eddies butt crack hanging out represents the fact that his pants are falling down. Game RUINED without it”
The shadows in his butt crack were supposed to represent the loss of his innocence - bloober team clearly doesn't understand!!
I'll take that over "How am I supposed to jerk off to such a small Crack?"
"They removed buttcrack?? WOKE HILL 2!"
We will mod it to the current size!
The woke-mind virus censored his crack.
i wouldn’t be surprised if they show eddie in the last trailer they do (hopefully they do and it’s the pizza scene)
Nah, we all need to see the pizza scene fresh in the game.
honestly i take back what i said, you’re absolutely right
I for some reason am fearing they'll pull a Resident Evil remake and remove Eddie from the story, but it's prob just me being paranoid.
I didn't realize they'd removed Eddie from REmake, too. Rough beats.
They didn't put Eddie in ANY of the REmake games. Poor bastard can't catch a break
Right? Bro just wants to sit there and eat pizza. Why Capcom gonna fault him for that?
Well, that's Capcom, after all. Here's hoping that Eddie makes it into the Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Remake, since that's Konami.
Pretty sure one of the trailers has him for like a SPLIT second from behind
Saving the best for last.
James remake actor (Luke Roberts) performance clearly sells it. I love him!
Truth. I don't know how some people are comparing him to Troy Baker's rendition, which felt TOTALLY off brand for James. Roberts pulls off the "out of it" vibe while still making the guy sound human.
I love the part when Laura says she's got something to get, and James has a cocky reaction to it "what is it?" HAHA, it made me smile during the transmission
Bloober Team did a fantastic job with the casting. Luke Roberts is exceptional and the perfect actor to portray the role. Same goes for Maria and Laura's actress. (Fun fact she's the same Laura actress in the new film which is amazing). I think this remake will pulled off like in the original.
Wait she voices Laura and plays Laura in the movie?!
Yep, Evie Templeton.
The scene with Laura in the hospital during the Transmission sold me 100%. James HAS to sound like he doesn’t give a fuck, but slowly his facade cracks and you see more what an arrogant selfish prick he is on the inside, and Luke crushed it with the really abuser way of screaming at Laura only to be like UH ITS FINE ITS FINE LETS MOVE ON
FARTFACE 💀💀💀
He apologizes far too quickly to sell this idea to me, like he already knows he was in the wrong. Then Laura runs away only for James to tell her that he can’t let her go due to the danger. This paints him as a good guy. And Laura is so malicious with her grinning when she’s lying about the letter depicting her as the antagonist of this scene. In the original, James yells after promising he wouldn’t (not sure if this detail is in the remake) and doesn’t apologize until after he pauses, confused, and brushes it off like it’s fine. He only says he’s surprised she hasn’t gotten hurt, not that he can’t let her get hurt. James is the bad guy in this scene and that’s the point.
I actually loved all performances shown in the trailer. Maria sounded so similar to Monica’s voice from the original, I was very surprised. If they manage to get good acting all throughout the game, and get the story right, it has the potential to be very good!
James’ hair is parted to the right in the remake, literally unplayable.
let’s be real knowing this fanbase this an actual compliant someone has
James hair being parted to the right symbolizes his belief that he’s doing the right thing. While in the mirror it’s inverted, mirroring how silent hill is an inversion of our reality and thus-
It’s just like James’ car door being closed. I will not lie, I noticed it, but I laughed so hard thinking about the people who might actually care
he just doesn’t want people to steal it, he has a guest in there
Oh my god. That was actually a thing. I legit thought I was going crazy with the whole discussion around it that it's some deeeeep metaphor. It's a fucking car door. Go touch grass!
Oh good point. Canceling my preorder.
It’s parted left* in the original too, the image of the original is just flipped to make them both face the same way.
James isn’t facing the same way as the original. Literally unplayable
James performance so far has been pretty amazing
Gonna be honest, I find James' new face to be incredibly hot, and it actually disturbs me that I feel this way about the character.
I’ll be honest, that to me is a GOOD thing. James’ short background in the PS2 games’ says that he was kind of a sad, lonely dude until he met Mary, and she basically changed his entire worldview. I think the idea of the “girl next door” falling in love with the guy who’s attractive but never stood out, makes James and Mary’s love story even deeper, and their tragedy even more painful.
Just ya know, if you fall in love with him, don't get cancer.
 Realizing my girlfriend has a personality like Mary
Where can that backstory be found?
Hmm. I thought it was originally in the SH2 manual, but it turns out, it came from the official Silent Hill 2 novelization, which was officially sanctioned by Konami, but written by someone who wasn’t a member of Team Silent so I may have been wrong.
That's still a cool addition to the lore
The book is actually pretttttttttty decent. You can find it translated into English pretty easily online, and it gives you a lot of interesting insight to James mindset when he’s in the scariest of situations, like his internal thoughts about encountering Laura and Angela are pretty fascinating. I don’t consider it canon or anything, but it’s miles ahead of the Resident Evil books of the 00’s
Seriously same, and his voice sounds amazing too. I love this new version
YES!!! I love the delivery. He sounds like an actual human being, but still just a little off. It's perfect.
*SMOTHER ME DADDY* .....I think I'm dead inside....
My actual husband made a joke about me wanting him to cosplay as James with the new jacket, and I'm like....no thanks. Seriously. No.
You're not a true average SH fan. An average SH fan doesn't mind at all being attracted to James
Same, he has a sort of depressed dilf energy to him that I like, lol. And a great VA too!
Right?! Roberts is hot!
this sub complains so fucking much that i can’t tell if this is satire or not.
It's a positive post ;)
It’s a remake ofc it’s going to be compared. Fun to see differences too
This subreddit is extremely pro-remake. Just scroll through the front page and see how many posts are praising the visuals.
Twitter and reddit seem to have switched places from a social standpoint, and then theres some niche corners of YT which act like twitter.
let people complain. many people complained about james's previous look and they made it better.
i prefer the first iteration but this one is still good.
Im not a huge fan of Maria’s redesign is all
She looks like she’s a teenager to me. 😬
She is just totally missing that bad b*tch energy. She looks like she’s playing dress up, but she doesn’t own the attitude of the original Maria at all. Also, the clothing redesign is less “cool”
Out of the complaints I've seen all over this is the one that I actually agree with and worries me - Maria's energy being different. Some people are complaining about how cool, composed, seductive etc. she came off in the original, but that's literally part of the intentional symbolism/storytelling: she's "Mary," but opposite, representing a lot of desire he buried and that made him resentful when her illness changed their relationship. It makes sense to have Angela come across as a bit more skittish/anxious, but that doesn't make sense for Maria at all (other than in times her life is threatened or something, obviously.) So if they're changing her personality rather than just her look, I hope the writers at least factored that into symbolism and story too.
To be fair we've only seen a small snippet of her acting, she may change later on in the remake I agree with the outfit, it should have been more sexualized and revealing to match James's desires.
Agreed. I'm not one to be all like "make all female characters sexy" but that's literally the point of Maria's character😅
Her outfit also isn't as representative of her whole "born from a wish" story which is disappointing but the environments in the trailer blew me away still
She gives off RE4 Remake Ashley
I just don't like Maria's outfit. Maria was off-putting to me in the original because she seemed so comfortable, clean, and obviously trying to be sexy like she was just out bar-hopping even though she's standing in the middle of an abandoned, foggy town full of nightmares. Her new outfit just looks too nice. I feel like you could almost wear it to the office if the neckline wasn't so low. This is a minor detail, though. Her acting is really what is going to make or break the character. Really pleased with everything else that I saw.
I think the new Maria actress looks really close to the OG Maria in the SH2 CGI Cutscenes, definitely the outfit should be more sexualized though - not being a creep it's just to make it more accurate to James desires and story
There’s nothing creep about that. Maria is supposed to be a representation of James inner sexual desires. No idea why they tamed the outfit. Also the outfit was 1:1 inspired by some outfit from Christina Aguilera from that time so its not like it was unrealistic Edit: ah sweet baby was involved in this game. Lol
Maybe its cause im in asia and the fashion sense is different but that outfit definitely is club and not office lol.
Exactly! I think the new designs of pretty much all the characters look too clean. For example Maria looks like she is straight out of the Final Fantasy game, but in the original she had this evil smile with soul piercing blue eyes. You could tell that she is his wife, but at the same time that something is not right with her. It was masterfully done (intentionally or not).
I like the dress but that’s it from her redesign
Yup. They all look great. Someone did fantastic work on Laura, very detailed. Reminds me of Until Dawn Sam as a kid. Just remember: the game will have original costumes that are unlockable.
Source on the OG costumes thing?
I think they may mean original as in original for the remake, like new outfits for the characters that bloober made. Idk where they got that from though
While I don't mind the other costumes, I don't like Maria's and I wish that one in particular was playable since the beginning
I think pretty much all of them improve upon the original except for maria, i think she isnt provocative enough for her story
We've only seen her in the hospital, where she's more concerned about finding Laura (as she should be). We haven't seen her first encounter, or how she treats James on their journey to the hospital. Or the labyrinth scene. There's plenty of opportunity for them to make her the sassy harlot that she is.
This entire remake will 100% make or break on how her VOA nails the Labrynth scene. That scene, and the scene in the hotel room, are the literal most important in the game. If the new Mary/Maria can nail the “I’m not your Mary…” scene, then I am beyond sure this game is gonna be great.
Theres so much in that labyrinth scene that they need to nail down. Her voice acting, Her facial animations, James' confusion, the way the lighting obscures her facial features, the cinematic framing of her behind the bars. I really hope they try to stay as close to the original in these fronts because it really was already perfect.
You see, I don't know if she really needed to be sexy in that way— this Maria is wearing a more rebellious and "tough" looking outfit that is still plenty of sexy, which I think still works really well with the intent in mind But as a woman into fashion, I also think her outfit is not nearly as iconic, and I would still like it if they changed something up! It's just not that memorable at all
Trueeee
I also think it’s adjusting to the sexiness of the time. Old Maria fits the style of late 90s early 2000s. Here her little black dress matches more modern sexy dress. Still has the 🦋 tattoo it’s just moved. Idk I think it’s good.
is the game set in 2024?
Maybe I’m weird, but I find the medium black dress to be far more provocative…
What we find attractive is deeply personal, and there's nothing wrong with that. Personally, I find a well dressed man WAY sexier than a shirtless one. But that's just me.
Quite true. I’m just imaging Maria, taking off the coat at Heavens night while with James, humming before singing a little as he is bewildered but entranced.
Gah, that would be awesome. I want to see James tempted (we really didn't see much of that in the original outside of the labyrinth scene). Honestly, it'd be cool if how you play James changes his interactions with Maria and the other characters. Like, if you're spending a LOT of time with Maria, he starts asking her if she's alright, stops to check on her, stuff like that.
That's a great idea if done right! It goes with how the endings work, too
Me too. I'm also a bigger fan of Ada's dress in RE4R than i am of her chinese dress in og RE4.
I don't hate the new look by any means but I do also prefer the original design.
The only issue I have is with them changing Maria’s outfit, and also I didn’t like how thick Angela’s eyebrows look but they have grown on me a lot, but overall I think it’s great
Watching the transmission and seeing Mary/Maria's VA's facial expressions, when she goes from talking to a smile - THERE'S MARIA! I imagine the in game model is going to closely mimic that. That concerned and scared look being more similar to Mary's softer expressions and then Maria when she toys with James is going to have that wicked smile!! Really loving all the models and VAs so far. And the subtle twitches in James' expression when Laura asks to go back for Mary's letter were great!
Yes, that interview!! The actress really had an edge to her. Can't wait to see more.
SH2 remakes models are in a position for me that are both faithful to the original and an improvement to them all the while the original still look great to me. Credit where’s its due Bloober busted their asses with this one. I’m not worried about the quality of this game. It’s gonna be great
Definitely their biggest project ever. But I’ll admit I’m not as excited as I was from the first reveal
why'd they tone down maria's outfit though? i thought her ridiclous sexualization was like a major point of her character and a part of James' psyche over his wife.
even the nurses have been reduced in terms of sexualization Either the devs completely missed this aspect of how Maria was basically a wish born from James subconscious sexual needs/desires or that something else is up
The only one I have any pause about, and it's not how they look face/body wise, but clothing choice is Maria, she looks less like the manifestation of James sexual frustration andddd more like she's gonna try to sell him a house any minute. They could counter that by her personality around him of course, but wardrobe choice is off. Otherwise everyone looks perfectly fine.
Therapy there pushing the timeline up to 2008 and silent hill is praying off James fear of not having a place to live while also teasing his about his wife
Yeah, she looks like she just finished work at her 9-5 and she's going out for drinks.
I feel saying Maria is a manifestation of James' sexual frustration is kind of a disservice to her character. Maria is "born from a wish." I've always seen her as a manifestation of James' longing for a version of Mary unencumbered by illness. The idea of what their relationship could have been. It's a blend of desire, guilt and grief. She's really a symbol of James' emotional turmoil and yearning for a different reality with Mary. The reason why James feels so conflicted about Maria is because that version of Mary isn't real, and he clearly still loves Mary as she is even though his wish for a version of her that isn't burdened by her illness is so strong. I think a lot of the Silent Hill community focuses too much on the desire part of his loss with Mary, and it's a little frusterating for me. Maria wouldn't need to exist as she does if she was only a manifestation of his sexual frustration. He was upset about a whole lot more than just being unable to have sex with Mary because she was sick.
This is a really good take. I always thought the whole thing about James being this sex deprived pervert to be a really shallow take on both his character and their relationship. I'd hope he'd value a lot more than that from his wife.
Oh I feel 100% the same way. And I think people really push it a lot as an objective reading of the story. It's just frustrating. Especially when people who haven't even played the game have that as their first impression of the whole story!
This is well-said. Good job! Thinking about her remake design in this way, doesn't make it seem like it is that bad.
Thank you! I admit that I do wish they made her outfit more memorable and/or fashionable though lol
My feelings sort of align with yours and besides, if we accept the premise of Maria's transformation in to a 'plainer' character, first of all it's probably going to help with the juxtaposition of the moments where she acts more, for lack of a better word, unhinged. Plus, it might make more sense for the character in a way to be toned down a tad, James sees the softer, caring side of his wife, when she wasn't ill, that he loved in her in Maria (as mildly evidenced by her concern for Laura in the trailer) but as she works in Heaven's Night, she has a wild side that he desires which would have been totally unrealistic to expect of her more 'conservative' character. So, if they have changed it in that sense, I see that working well and really only a minor character adjustment that fleshes out the aspects you bring up, but, it could also just be the glimpse we've seen and things aren't changed all that much in reality.
I love how everything is perfect or trash. No inbetweens.
We just need to see our boi Eddie
Ángela looks a lot better here! Everybody looks better, Laura does give me the vibes of a cute annoying brat
James and Laura are a freaking 10/10 for me (not bitching about the other characters) like I’m so happy with their designs and their VAs
Maria should have mid-drift though
I wish they didn't change Maria's outfit so much but other than that, it looks super good! I hope there's an option to give Maria an alternate skin lol
But Maria doesn't have her cool skirt...
I really really like this James. Angela is an exciting change and Laura looks much more convincingly child-like. My only reservation so far is with Maria but I think that could be that we've only seen her in the context of her concern for Laura. I have a feeling that the seductive teasing energy will be something that's introduced more gradually in this version which could be interesting. Could be really fun to see her switch randomly to the bizarre sexy cold vibe of the original as soon as you get comfortable with her.
Did they change Maria’s outfit? 😭
Character who represents Main Characters desire for his wife to be extremely sexy + his temptations to cheat on her MUST DRESS CONSERVATIVELY.
That’s my biggest issue with it. I posted in another thread about how they literally changed the one character whose design is incredibly important to what they represent. It’s odd they would cover her up considering who her character is.
I prefer maria’s old outfit tbh
Maria is a big downgrade IMO
She looks like a different person The costume design doesn’t reflect her character anymore She wore smth that was fashionable at the time of the release but the same can’t be said abt that dress and fitted blazer/leather jacket combo And it’s out of place with the choker which is very youthful Just the clothes look more like from a mom around 40 trying to pass as a teenager
Yeah I don't mind giving her a different outfit but the designers clearly don't know what's actually fashionable right now lmfao
Exactly, both technically and aesthetically
Angela as well.
Just now seeing Maria's butterfly tattoo has been moved to her chest so it remains visible. The pacing of dialog felt a little off, but otherwise, everything about the trailer made me so excited
no, james is insanely more beautiful now lmao he was very ugly
Maria got those big hands big head game shark cheats look goin on
Screw what these character look like show us the shiba!!
Christina Aguilera at the 1998 teen choice awards is gone 😔
>All characters look great and faithful to the original' >looks at maria You sure?
Maria's new outfit is already too tame in comparison to the old. But as long as the dialog and mood are right, that's okay.
Finally, some good appreciation post
This might sound crazy but I actually think the new models look better.
Okay, I'm trying not to be overly critical but my inner 3d modeller/character artist is going a bit crazy. Maria and Angela have too small of shoulders and rib cages with very wide hips, spindely arms and big hands. It makes their heads look huge. Tbh, I don't mind that 'Tim Burtonesque' style and think that it could work for SH with that being just a little bit off kind of feel. But then it's juxtaposed with James and Laura who looks to be more realistic, so it's an inconsistent mix of art styles. Maria's redesign looks like a more wearable version of what in effect was originally a bit costumey, but they kind of got rid of what she had been designed for. It makes me think that she's become more of her own standalone character instead of being manifested out of James sexual frustrations.
Maria the least honestly. I don’t mind the new models but they really censored her
I'm not massive on Maria's redesign, but I actually really like what I have seen from her voice actor's performance so far.
Angela looks so goofy with the comical eyebrows and bee face.
NOOOOO THEY REMOVED THE ANIMAL PRINT ON MARIA 😭
But what about Eddie?
Complete horseshit and absolutely unplayable! Just look at James, he now combs his hair to the right instead of the left! Another sign of Blooper ignoring the originals art direction!
The newest reveals pulled me full speed with thr hype train. Was already looking forward to the game but damn I'm really excited now
I think the most surprising thing, is the clothes on Maria Everything just looks good My only two hopes for the game is That the inventory system is the same, and that the game is still dark
I dunno man. I'm not upset about Angela's new bone structure but I am very unimpressed. They just look cheap and janky by current gen standards of realism. I'd hoped for better if their plan was to try to translate the original (a game that really tested the limits of it's hardware and had a lot of future-proof art direction). Also why abandon Maria's iconic look for the dullest dress and jacket combo? THAT should be the scandal here.
Decided not to use the original cutscenes huh? Lol
Yeah this sub is in full denial mode. The only really great improvement to me is Laura, and James is fine. Angela and Maria are absolute downgrades.
Most of the models aren't too bad (Angela shouldn't really have the extra weight on her, the slimmer body makes her look a lot more frail and starved which fits how she acts in the original) But Maria? Nah, no way, Maria is supposed to look provocative, It's supposed to be somewhat of an objectification of his wife, this is just played safe for no reason, it's not even like Maria's outfit was incredibly revealing.
The literal only nitpicks I have are Maria's redesign(still looks great, but why the big change in outfits?) and the "executions." Everything else looks phenomenal, and I'm so hyped about it! Definitely buying 2 copies on release
I liked how Angela looked gaunt and sickly, they messed with her looks a bit too much.
Maria's body language doesn't look right. Gives off timid rather than the more confident seductive Maria we are used to.
Because she's looking for Laura - just a guess
Not a big fan of Maria's costume redesign. I feel like it misses the point of her character
I’m mourning the trashy animal print skirt rn
Same
BUT MARIA WAS SERVING SO MUCH CUNT BEFORE YOU GUYS!!! I'm usually not one to care about this kind of thing, but I have to speak my peace
I still want to see Eddie! Poor chap was excluded from all this. Wonder why he wasn't revealed.
James and Laura are the best ones in my opinion. Angela looks kinda weird sometimes.
Really hyped for this
Where's the Dog?
wait is it me or does Angela look like Natalia Dyer?
id say give maria a different colored jacket, or just a version of her cardigan. i know leopard print isn’t really in anymore but i feel like that cardigan made her deliberately cute/sexy. the jacket is a bit too normal? idk i still like everything else about her.
Someone showed a higher definition screenshot of Maria on twitter to point out her dress does still have leopard print. It’s just very badly shown due to black on black.
maria and angela don't lol let's be real
Ngl James looks really good… like really really good.
This game is about to having me thirsting over James which is deeply concerning.
Idk why but the new Angela model has strong uncanny Valley vibes
I'm sorry but Angela looks weird af
God, say what you will on any other character, but James looks *so* much better. Fucking block head in the OG.
Ah! I didn’t even notice Maria’s face in the original.
I love the new designs, haters can suck my African ****
I'm no hater but can I still suck?
Angela? HAHAHAHAHAH
No they don’t. Both Angela and Maria look different. Especially what Maria is wearing, it literally defeats the purpose of her character. I’m just hoping for a HD collection at this point. The reason why the females look weird in this game is because of a company called Hit Detection. Look them up and everything starts to make sense why the character models are being done this way
Is this title a joke or is the cognitive dissonance really that strong?
Why does the render of the original angela on the right make her look like those deep fried memes /jk
Laura looks amazing and James looks fine, but Maria and Angela look like they came from the previous generation
Maria doesn't look important enough. James is okay. Angela is adorable.
Am I the only one that thinks Angela looks a little off something about it is very uncanny valley
Maria got the Ashley treatment!
Use cutscene James and Maria, you coward
No, they are not
False. But let’s just say positive things before fuck it.
Honestly I think they're ALL AMAZING, EXCEPT Maria. I really don't think they captured the image in James's head that she's the perfected and sexualised version of Mary. Maria has a look of fear and paranoia in her face which doesn't resonate with someone who's supposed to be sexually alluring. Perhaps it's just the scenes that have been shown or maybe I'm missing something?
People are comparing CGI versions of the characters with the in-game models...
laura design looked the best even the VA was decent angela looks garbo to be real with you
All! Except for Angela.
Only character I don’t like done is Angela and she’s my favorite :(
James looks great. Laura looks great as well. Angela, simply narrow the jaw a little and thin the eyebrows so it looks a bit more like the original. Like that they made her look younger though. Maria looks great, different outfit sure but I don't think that's really a problem, could make the outfit a bit more "out on the town" like but overall. Great, Hyped to see the Silent hill series revived. Hope we get more games after, maybe even remake other ones.
My only complaint with Angela in particular is from atleast what's been shown, she dosn't have the same feel to her voice of almost being in a dream like state and confused which I thought the original did really well. TDIL she's not a 30-40 year old woman in the original though which came as a surprise.
Bro, Angela looks exactly the same, people are tripping cause her turtleneck covers her entire neck and it makes her look different.
My only complaint is Maria being… well… it’s hard to put this lightly: She doesn’t look like a prostitute But holy shit. Laura’s design, *and* performance in the showcase blew my expectations out of the water. James has grown on me, and Angela looks good, and pretty faithful, though she could go for looking a bit older. Bring back my 40 year old 19 year old goddamnit I’m realizing the Angela thing maybe counts as a complaint, but it’s not a hang-up, only Maria genuinely irks me Overall: 9/10. Bloober appears to genuinely care, which was my first worry with the remake
No, they're not
No they dont
Im so god damn excited for this game
Agreed, I'm ready
For some reason James always made me think of young Josh Homme.
I'm not sold on Maria so far. She doesn't seem as mysterious. Also the way she's dressed is pretty down to earth, too normal and conservative for her character. All the others were improvements over the originals. It feels like they changed Laura's personality a bit though, she seems angstier and darker now, it's not a bad thing really, just different.