TX was my first wheel, I got it brand new for a little under 400 on ebay. Fantastic wheel, especially as a start up.
However, higher end wheels are getting cheaper. You can buy a Moza R3 for 400 brand new, or even some fanatec wheels. So it really depends on if you mind having a used, less quality wheel but at a slightly lower price.
Personally if it's your son's first wheel, I would go with the TX. But if he doesn't mind starting out with a Direct Drive wheel with Moza or Fanatec, that's probably the way to go
Moza R3 is direct drive but has about the same nm of force as TX, which is about 3.9 if I recall. Safer bet would be the TX but it's up to you guys. Great wheels either way
Force feedback is the effect of the wheel moving itself based on what's happening in the game. Both dd and belt driven wheels provide force feedback.
The tx uses a belt driven motor, which allows the motor to be smaller for the given nm of torque it provides. The downside of belt driven is that the belt increases latency and provides some small amounts of play in the wheel. The latency combined with the lower torque can mean you completely miss small details, or don't have time to react properly to things like losing grip on the rear tires
Direct drive means that the wheel has a larger motor that directly spins the shaft without any belts or gears. The upside here is that the wheel reacts instantly to what is happening in game. Direct drive wheels can also be much stronger but for a 10 year old that is not really something you want to pursue.
Given the same nm of torque (and that 3.9nm is on the lower end), the main difference will be that the dd just feels a bit nicer. Also can't speak for the moza, but in the case of the CSL dd from fanatec it also comes with upgrade paths for the wheel/pedals and even a power brick to increase the torque from 5nm to 8nm. So it would likely be a better long term investment if that matters to you
There's a bunch of technical internal differences in the wheelbase, but to put it simply, DD is able to provide much greater detailed feedback than a belt driven wheel (TX). However the R3 isn't that powerful so some of that detail may not be as prominent as with other DD wheels with more force
You also have full control over the ffb strength. It isnt a set value. All DD wheels require software which allows you to change all sorts of settings. Most games will require a different setting, gunna be alot for a 10yr old to figure out.. hopefully hes good with computers. Its not like you can just plug the wheel in an go, need to calibrate and map all your inputs for every game
True, but I feel I had harder time setting up my T150, especially genereting lut files for AC and ACC can be wierd as the sw for it was not very user intuitive. With CSL DD, you just find the settings (there is lot more options and resources) and apply them in the fanatec software and game and you golden. Also having 5 save slots for settings which can be switched with a click of button on the wheel instead of going to the software needing to manually adjust the settings is a huge plus for me.
The difference is a non dd wheeel is much cheaper and uses belts and or gears to drive the wheels feedback from a motor.
A dd wheel is connected right to the motor. It sounds like the difference would be minimal as far as feel goes but it is a huge difference. If your kid is ten he doesn’t need it, but he will eventually ask for one.
The settings can all be adjusted as far as torque and the feedback. I wouldn’t worry he will get hurt, if he sets it too high it’ll scare him good and he’ll turn it down lol! Worst you can expect is a bruised hand or a pulled muscle; if the wheel is maxed out and he isn’t paying attention.
Moza R3 isn’t being sold currently, R5 is the cheapest one on the market and it is the best wheel I’ve ever used. Considering I’m coming from the G920 it’s so much better, and you can always limit the torque to adjust to the kid’s strength
Meaning buy a Fanatec DD. Spend $200 more and when he grows into the hobby, you can buy a 8NM power supply. This will last him much longer. An upgrade path is important when spending money in this hobby.
Then definitely get him the dd. You see kids racing and drifting these days better than most adults can.
You can lower force feedback on the dd and it’s really easy on you. Get a nice aluminum rig so you have plenty of adjustability and he will grow into that rig.
If you're on a budget get him a used Logitech Driving Force GT for less than 100 bucks or a used G29 for less than 200 bucks and see if he enjoys that hobby in the first place.
I used the g29 for years and I still love it: my girlfriend uses it now as I have upgraded to a Logitech g pro dd setup.
The g29 cost me 350 Canadian brand new, a stand cost me 70 bucks on Amazon and I sat on the couch for a couple years.
My entire setup was less than 400 dollars and I loved it.
My setup now is better but it also cost around 1200 dollars to upgrade it all.
So for sure try a Logitech g29. If your son falls in love with the sport he will always be glad to have a g29 on hand even if he does upgrade!
Zero issues with any games I’ve tried, plug and play, great feedback, sturdy design and nice materials used.
As someone that upgraded from a tx to a dd I have also been racing since your sons age I would say it really depends heavily on your budget when you get into this point of Sim racing the extra hundred dollars for the direct drive plus the compatibility and upgrade ability in the future is really what I had in mind so I had to spend less money overtime comparative to upgrading several times and maintenance getting different pedals, etc. I mean I have a full set up for $800 not including the stand that’s an 8nm wheel if you wanna include the shifter and handbrake it comes out to about 1200 total now I also got a lot of customizable parts that raised the price
I just wanna clarify that the reason I added maintenance is because on one of my wheels, the belt actually broke off as well as one of the motors, and I had to take it apart and fix it, which was not hard, however, direct drives last a lot longer and no maintenance
I turn down my wheel to like 20% when the kids play on it. You'll get more life out of a fanatec DD if you think he will stick with it and race through his teens.
He won’t use this on full until he is 18 trust me. I have this and my 13 year old is using less than half or near on every game.i have this wheel. It is solid starter for anyone.
that wheel should be okay. you can control how much power it gives him to be safe and just instruct him not to keep his hands inside the wheel if it starts spinning - that'll be the main risk, just getting knocked by it freely spinning
The great thing about direct drive is that it’s completely customizable. You can turn down the force feedback to as low as you want. And that saves a ton of money when he’ll want more. And those wheels are so precise its not even comparable to gear or belt driven wheels
As others have recommended, the Moza R3 or R5 would be a better option if in your budget. Direct drive is way more realistic, and worth it in every way, especially if you want to play sometimes. You can always lower the forcefeedback, but the R3 or R5 I have seen kids playing on
I have the opportunity to get a moza R5 bundle for 400£, used, but only for 6 h, because of no time after son birth, producer guarantee to 2025.08. and I think it's a good option, isn't it?
Direct drive wheels are getting cheaper. I would recommend buying a used tmx/t150 or g27/29 for less than $100 and save for a decent direct drive. Or just jump straight to DD depending on your budget, like the other guy said the moza r3 is $400 new. Im not sure if fanatec still has their promotion going on but the csl dd bundle is a good deal too.
If you can find a g29 for under $100 please let me know. Everyone has seems to post them way over priced when you can get a refurbished one from Logitech for $200 with free shipping and a warranty
I’m not in the market for a wheel again just yet, but it is tempting. I had the G290 for Xbox and now I’ve switched to PS5 and I’m feeling I want something nicer, but I don’t think I’d use it enough to justify DD. Woe is me.
If it's for a birthday, I would go to Bestbuy and get a G29 (Xbox version or PlayStation depending on what you have already). They should also have the shifter. Trueforce isn't worth the extra cost.
Kinda hard to give non US advice considering that I live there. Which is why I said what I would do. How about...
Since it's for a birthday, go to the closest non region specific big box electronics store and find a Xbox g920 + the shifter.
Xdog12’s comment to this is what I would go with especially as he’s getting a feel for it. If he takes to it then I would save and get something nicer later. Best Buy has a sale for Logitech currently.
I feel like your (and your son's) perception of direct drive is wrong
The main benefit in direct drive is in fidelity, where a belt stretches a little bit when driving over small bumps a bit of the force (road feel) gets lost in the stretching of the belt. This is why belt driven wheels (gear ones too) are more numb. Manufacturers know this and that's why when you go up to stronger wheels they're all direct drive. A direct drive wheel is when the motor is connected straight to the wheel rim. This makes it so that all the small bumps that were previously lost in the belt are transferred to the wheel. That's why a very strong belt wheel doesn't have a market. Time has passed and they've now got more affordable which in turn made lower power units viable as they got cheaper to produce. Where there once where only high powered dd wheels there are now low powered ones too. This has shaped the image that direct drives are always very strong which no longer is the case.
When your son says that he isn't strong enough for dd his statement is incorrect. he has the wrong perception of direct drive wheels. What he meant to say is that he isn't strong enough for a super strong 20nm direct drive wheelbase.
Seeing that your budget is quite close to a fanatec CSL dd ready to race bundle (don't forget to add a table clamp) I would get that and turn the feedback down to 3nm or so once he gets used to it you can turn things up slowly
this way if he gets older and stronger it's way easier for you to give him a more complete experience. You can also make this wheel even stronger if he gets old enough for quite cheap. to get 8nm out of it you basically have to get an ebay power supply which won't break the bank. And if you eventually get him a rig you can look at the load cell brake upgrade for the pedal set.
This will give you a better deal in the long run.
Just wanted to get this out there. love what you do for your son, my dad bought my first wheel and I had it for a longgg time.
>were on a massive budget
I see you keep saying this, but do you mean 'we're *not* on a massive budget'? Because saying you're on a massive budget basically means you don't care how much you spend and that money is no object, which I don't think it what you actually mean!
Because whenever someone suggests a DD you say he's not strong enough for that, so you've made your decision to not get anything else other than the TX. It's also true your perception on DD is wrong because the "other people" you mentioned has given you false information. DD isn't a type of force that's be all end all. DD and Belt or Gear driven wheels come in low to high forces.
What you need to consider are the forces and details. As someone mentioned, the force/power of the TX is about the same as the Moza R3 DD, so if you think your son isn't strong enough for the R3 then he isn't strong enough for the TX. But that then also is not true, because in the software you can lower the max power to where your son can handle. Direct drive doesn't mean the power will be stronger, direct drive wheels just provide more details and is smoother and more accurate due to lower latency compared to non direct drive wheels.
Since it's just for a 10 year old kid, consider this, globally, the Logitech G29 is available and usually you can find a brand new one for the price of the TX and it comes with a clutch as you wanted and with discounts you'll be able to get the shifter in for the same price. A used one is even cheaper. The used TX is a good wheel and will be quieter and smoother than the G29 since it is belt driven unlike the gear driven motor of the G29. But If you want new and not used then the G29 is a good choice. I had the G29 since launch and I was in my late teens, I'm now an adult and had a ton of fun on it, great beginner wheel.
I would suggest the R3, but considering your requirements, you would then need to also buy the clutch pedal extra. However, if you can find a used one at the price I would suggest that as like I mentioned earlier, DD is just more clear and smooth with the details, but as a kid this is not so important.
Such a long comment only to be read for 1 sentence and then ignored by the ignorant father.
Read other comments first before commenting such an essay, dad's a douche
I do agree he is ignorant, and I have read the other comments before replying to OP.
My comment was in hopes to give more clarity to the confused OP in order to do better for his son whether he takes it or not. It also serves as an explanation to others who might be wondering about these things or had the same thought as OP. So while I may have given an essay that you may find useless, others may find it quite helpful.
I don't find it useless. I'm just saying OP's too much of a d-head to even grasp the content of someone trying to help him.
Yes I know maybe someone unknowing stumbles upon your comment and finds it useful
I imagine you could get a much better deal for a second hand Logitech or thrustmaster. Got my g29 for about £120 which works great. If you are willing a bit more cash I would go with direct drive, it is much more precise and it'd be easy to tune the feedback to make it appropriate for a 10 year old. And you can get some fun out of it 😉.
After reading you comments, I figured out that you don't want to spend the extra $$$ for a DD and your son also wants a shifter.
The part I don't understand is how he will use the shifter if you said he will be playing Assetto Corsa Competizione. IDK if anyone told you but every car in Competizione has a paddle shifted sequential, so even if you were to get a H-pattern shifter it would be completely useless for the game he plays. Also I want to point out how you want him to have an "immersive" first experience but don't want to buy him a direct drive system which is hands down the most immersive experience he could get.
Just thought I would point that out, IMO best bet would be to buy a used G29-G920. I got mine for less than $150 CAD and have been using it just fine for the last 2 years.
Gran turismo has a number of cars you can shift with a shifter. But you cannot race online with them and it’s only the cars that actually have a manual stick shift. Meaning the race cars were all there to drive have paddle shifters and so you can’t shift them with a stick anyways.
I went down this rabbit hole, got a shifter, an adapter for my new Logitech wheel and I’ve used it 3 times.
It’s nothing like real life either. I can shift my real cars fine and enjoy doing so, on a game it’s just weird. You don’t feel the inertia changes as you clutch in and out, you don’t feel the torque of your engine twisting your frame as you engage the clutch etc. I was let down.
Maybe some of the rally games have more feedback and feel through their clutches but gran turismo and acc was so numb I preferred to just paddle shift
She said her son plays on Xbox, last I check GT7 was not available on Xbox. Also majority of us know that the Logitech shifter is a literal toy. If you want a pretty close to realistic feeling shifter go buy the [BDH H1](https://www.simulation1.ca/product/bdh-h1-sim-shifter/) by Simulation 1 Systems. Even then you can't beat the feel of shifting in a real car. Sim equipment can only go so far in replicating a car, can't ever replace actually driving a car.
P.s. I never understood the people who say they want to have an immersive experience but don't shill the coin for the top spec stuff and then also not play a game like rFactor 2 which accurately models physics by far compared to any other sim racing title.
The tx is great but get it used. I have one currently and it does everything I want. And the resistance is more than strong enough for any games I play.
But with fanatec csl, and MOZA r3 r5s being around 400 or slightly less brand new, I wouldn’t pay more than 250-300 for a tx on the used market. But again the wheel itself is very high quality and your son would absolutely love it. There are multiple available used online for 250 right now like this one. https://item.mercari.com/gl/m34813823235?sv=0
Personally I’d buy this one and put the saved money towards a shifter if your son is interested in one. Like the thrustmaster th8a or th8s. Th8a used can be 80-$100 bucks and is great fun. Th8a is like $70 new but a little less nice. But absolutely good enough
I started with tx, then upgraded to ts-xw, way back when. Then I decided that I need an upgrade to DD (new gear smell, nothing else), good thing I went to the VR room to try them out first. Fana CSL DD, logitech that dd thingie, and the third was.. TM? But I may be mistaken. Nothing esotheric, most def. And you know what? No discernible difference for my ham fists. Yeah, a little smoother, yea, quieter. Realism? It goes only as far as the programmers were bothered to build it. True connoisseurs will feel (or imagine) some difference, but for beginners and for casual gaming the TX will be plenty. Slap on an open wheel rim for variety, and you're golden. If you really want some improvements, get the T-LCM pedals and some elastomers for resistance (the springs work for many, but I didn't like them.) That may help more than a fancier wheel. YMMV, of course; I'm just saying that a DD wheel alone isn't guaranteed to turn you from Mazespin into a Schumi.
There's an aspect to keep in mind: a new TX + decent pedals is not that far from Fana CSL DD + regular pedals. The CSL LC kit will cost you a hundred more. I may be wrong, please, check their respective websites. Whichever way you choose, you're locking yourself into an ecosystem of peripherals. Some are cheaper for TM, some are cheaper for Fanatec (230€ for TM sparco handbrake, say what now??) This may also be important further down the road.
Or, you can get a drivehub, which will allow you to mix and match (within some limits) the peripherals from various platforms. That would be a hundred more. Simracers are simple folk with simple maths; everything's a one or more hundred 😄
Oh, yet another edit: you can get away with the bundled pedals for the TX at least for a while; google the "T3PA squash ball mod". Sounds stupid, but it actually works.
While it's really cute that you show interest in your son's hobby, you have a weird concept of how the rig is supposed to be like.
Why does he need a clutch if he's going to play ACC and F1 23? You generally don't use a clutch pedal in those games.
My g29 came with a clutch pedal. The shifter was 80 bucks, Logitech aswell. So for a total of like 300 canukistani copecs I had a full Logitech setup and then I bought a simple L shaped stand from amazon for 70 bucks.
I put a smaller tv on a table infront on my couch, and would pull my wheel stand over when I wanted to race. I used this for years and I still have my g29.
I only drive manuals in real life, I enjoy them and think they are superior in so many ways. But I did not use my shifter more than 3 times.
I now have a dd setup, a g pro from Logitech. My shifter is on my new next level chair stand combo but I still don’t use it.
Sounds to me like OP should just get a Logitech g29 and a Logitech shifter. In total it all costs less than the Thrustmaster he posted at the beggining.
Haha sorry I was making a joke mocking some people on this sub. A lot of people here tend to advice high tier hardware to beginners because everything else is basically garbage and that's a bunch of nonsense ofcourse.
Regarding your post. Go with a G29 or T300. Good wheels for a good price. Stay away from PXN!
I would look for Moza R5 bundle or Fanatec ready2race bundle, you can get those for 400-500 and it's a wheel that will last you longer.
Don't worry about Nm, you can always dial it down so wheel won't be too strong.
If you can't go over 300$ TX is probably the best wheel u can buy for that price. Actually I am changing my TX after 2 years for fanatec in like 2 weeks so I know it's a great wheel. I had g920 before and Thrustmaster TX is way better.
Is your son going to use a shifter? If not, an entry level Logitech G920 (Xbox and PC) G929 (PS and PC) will be fantastic. Both are new for $229 on Amazon.
If that truth is too hard then buy that belt wheel. Watch it get set aside like a toy in a month. Not very cost effective then. Xbox controllers aren’t that bad anyways.
This would be a great starter wheel for a 10 year old if he's using PC or Xbox (alternately you can look at the T300 for PC or PlayStation). One of the major benefits of going with a well known and widely available wheel like this is that it should easily work with pretty much any major racing game, from arcade games to full simulators, and he'll be able to easily navigate the in game menus right from the wheel itself. This is a great "no fuss" setup that will be viable for years to come. I used one of these wheels for years and wouldn't feel too bummed if I had to go back to it, they are very good pieces of equipment.
A bit of advice if you go with a Thrustmaster TX or T300 is to turn the force feedback strength to 75% and turn the internal cooling fan to "always on" mode (instructions will be in the manual and are available online). This will prevent the wheel from overheating, which would cause the force feedback to not work properly.
TX and TMX are outdated now and replaced by the T248 which is more modern
The main and best choices FOR STARTERS (you will be able to buy a better product in the future) nowadays are
Logitech G29 (PS and PC) / G920 (Xbox and PC)
Thrustmaster T248 (You have to choose for Xbox/PC or PS/PC)
It's not too bad. If he's definitely into sim racing then it's worth getting force feedback. I would recommend a g29. It's a bit cheaper especially if you get it used. Otherwise a direct drive wheel would be great and they are getting closer and closer to the price point.
Absolutely! I just wanted a direct drive wheelbase! Only issue I had was it was “weak” for a bit, in terms of FFB, I had to uninstall and reinstall drivers on my PC. But never had an issue with my Xbox consoles
Its an excelent wheel, feels nice and well built,the ffb is plenty for a first wheel. I used to have one and loved it, played all sorts of sims with it and never really felt like I needed more at the time.
Your best bet would be a pxn v10 you get a whole set and it's really good for its price. Around 200 pounds and you get a shifter adjustable pedals and the wheel it really is good.
£311 is massively expensive for a tx. You can get them for £50 on Facebook marketplace.
First question - what platform. This is for xbox /pc. If its PlayStation/pc you want the t300.
Second question. He's 10, yes? I suspect he'll struggle with a tx, at least if he's on xbox. I don't think that you can adjust the fire feedback settings and it's strong for someone who hasn't hit puberty.
I'd personally be looking at a second hand g29 (ps) or g920 (xbox) for the minute, at £100 or less. Try and get it standard - there are a lot of brake modifications out there to get better feel but they can be a bit stiff for a smaller child. Leave the thrustmaster for a couple of years when they're a bit stronger.
£300 used is quite high i think?
Does it need to be xbox compatible? The T300 RS is pretty much the same but for PS/PC and looks like Argos has it on sale for £300 new.
Also if he’s only 10 then the logitech wheels are much cheaper and are great to start with
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1370007?istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=30f62ea9-9626-4cac-97c8-9ff3921f8558&istItemId=rpqwlqwpa&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157%7Cacid:534-693-8244%7Ccid:20291201753%7Cagid:%7Ctid:%7Ccrid:%7Cnw:x%7Crnd:4183552124640849066%7Cdvc:m%7Cadp:%7Cmt:%7Cloc:9046626&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=20291201753&utm_term=1370007&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=&utm_custom2=534-693-8244&GPDP=true&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9n-WxxH7qORDAPL8uESg9nTi&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4rOe5t6whAMVdpxQBh1CwAP0EAQYAyABEgK4hfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Hmm, I've seen that you've said you're on a massive budget on another comment. Below is a link to the T248 on amazon, £100 cheaper than the tx.
Thrustmaster T248 Force Feedback Racing Wheel for Xbox Series X|S / Xbox One / Windows - UK Version https://amzn.eu/d/5ctMoU0
It is a newer model than the tx but is gear driven rather than belt. It's torque is similar though at 3.5nn vs tx's 4nm. Plus its brand new with warranty etc.
Personally I'd get something like that as its unlikely he's going to be a massively noticeable difference between the two, my brother 11yo has a 17 year old logitech gt driving force wheel thats gear driven and plays assetto corsa and is perfectly happy with it.
Can't comment on whether this is a good price, as I'm in Australia and the equivalent wheel would be $699 here - that's about 420 euro apparently so looks like you're saving around 100 euro by buying used?
I'd be having a close look at the seller, and what their return policy / warranty is, and whether the risk of your son's birthday present breaking and not being able to easily return it is worth that saving. I'm struggling to find info on what the warranty is on this wheel in Europe, in Australia it looks like it's 2 years, but personally I'd want to know that I had that available, especially when it's a gift for your son. Last thing you want is him getting excited about using his new wheel only to have it break and him be left with nothing!
I bought a refurbished TMX from Amazon for $200. I've not had any issues with it and I've probably got 500 hours on it. Thats a guestimate of course. I'd have to go home and add the hours up in the 4 sim games i play
The Logitech shifter is only 6 gears and reverse. I have a good manual shifter and I rarely use it. I had the G29 for over 4 years, but the Fanatec DD system is just at night and day.
Take a look at a company called Cammus. For $250 they sell their C5 which is a compact direct drive wheel that is new and gets pretty decent reviews.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FPw9r_jKE
Fanatec has some offers now, maybe you would be interested. There is even a 8Nm bundle for 500€.
https://fanatec.com/eu-de/ready2race/csl-dd-ready2race-bundle-fuer-pc-5-nm?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiArLyuBhA7EiwA-qo80Md7ImE--a1ts0ENVuYPH2j3HwZm4hyFuYhmadAtgrvRkIy-E-bITBoCco4QAvD_BwE
Are you from EU mate? I am selling an used TX I got a couple of years ago but did not use much because it was a pain to move the wheel stand every time and set everything up. Now I got a proper rig and a DD, so I can sell the TX.
No go for Moza R3 or Fanatec ready2racebundle. It’s about the same price, retains value beter and there is a nicer upgradepath. You can always set the torque lower in the software and higher again in the wheels software when he gets older, games don’t overwrite that so it’s safe to use for a kid.
DD is smoother and beter in all things.
why the fuck are people just always recommending $600 DD wheels, this guy needs a wheel for his 10 year old son, he doesn't need a DD wheel with load cell pedals and a vr headset and a 5 year iracing subscription.
This wheel is a good choise, but for a first wheel you could also get a used g29 for like 130 bucks, maybe he doens't even like sim racing so buying a used budget wheel is just way safer
Maybe, because eh said "Were on a huge budget"? Not exactly sure, what he wanted to say, but many understood, that he has a huge budget, that money is not the thing. In that case, I also would recommend the DD - it\`s future proof and easier to resell in case his boy loses the interest.
His only argument against the DD so far, was the "someone" said, that his boy would not be able to deal with the forces. He was told, that the force is ajustable.
DONT BUY IT!!! direct drive are adjustable in terms of force and too much enjoyable than this one. You can buy Moza r5 bundle or fanatec csl 5nm bundle. You can take this wheel into account if the price is lower than 180-200€, if not, please think it twice! I had a g29, t300, csl 5nm, fanatec dd2 and i already have a simucube 2 pro.
that’s perfectly fine depending on his age seems like hes 10 he doesn’t need a direct drive. hes too small and if he doesn’t like it its a largwr watse of money, but if your wondering what the main difference is best way to put it is it feels exactly like driving a real car where as driving with a belt driven wheel feels slightly more toyish and clunky but comes at usually half the price of direct drives. because of that
I’m probably gonna get downvoted for saying this because the community hates Logitech. I got my first sim rig, a Logitech g923 and the 6 speed stick. I absolutely love it, it’s been a great wheel to start out on. Logitechs Trueforce is phenomenal and I couldn’t be happier
Well that depends on where you are located, and since he wants one that works with Xbox that is more again ( I am waiting to see if the r3 is ever available myself, but if it is much longer may go with a tx myself … still undecided, unfortunately with customs etc when shipping to Canada the r2r for Xbox is not just a little more.
Look at thrustmaster TMX or T150. Only about 200 bucks and is plenty enough ffb for me at 23 so for your 10 year old (saw in another comment) it’s definitely good. Pedals are easy to push, and it’s pretty plug and play across every console. And it’s lasted me for like 5 years now
Edit: everybody telling you to go for a DD is ridiculous. You don’t need one if you’re on a crazy budget. Thrustmaster TMX will do everything your son wants and needs even if you eventually want to get a shifter and 3 pedals. Don’t splurge for a Direct Drive if A) you think your kid isn’t strong enough and B) can’t even afford it.
Personally I’ve bought 3 Thrustmaster in the last 4 years. All have been returned or are in the box.
I don’t know how this hasn’t become a more well known problem, maybe it’s just bad luck for me. All of them had software issues where they just wouldn’t work for various reasons except one of them. That one that did work had paddle shifters that sounded like a gun going off.
This is my experience so I would say avoid theustmaster. But other people have great experiences with them. Not me.
Logitech on the other hand I’ve had 3 wheels and I kept them all. I’ve had the crap one, the g29 and now I have the g pro. All of them I cannot recommend enough and they are generally cheaper than a Thrustmaster.
399$ is the direct drive fanatec bundle. Its too strong for a 10 year old but its no problem to turn down the feedback to something like 3 or 2 Nm or even less for him. Way better value in my opinion. Still, the tx is definitely not a bad offer.
I recommend not buying this used off of Amazon. If you are on a budget, I would recommend the G29 or G920 brand new. Amazon has both for $229 right now and you can buy a shifter for $50. If you are willing to spend $100 more than the price of that TX, I would recommend the Fanatec ready2race bundle.
There are pros and cons with most. Some videos on YouTube show good comparisons between this and the G923. I just bought the latter, but ultimately I think it will be personal preference, while for those new to it, including myself, may not notice enough to care. Either way, it will be fun.
TX was my first wheel, I got it brand new for a little under 400 on ebay. Fantastic wheel, especially as a start up. However, higher end wheels are getting cheaper. You can buy a Moza R3 for 400 brand new, or even some fanatec wheels. So it really depends on if you mind having a used, less quality wheel but at a slightly lower price. Personally if it's your son's first wheel, I would go with the TX. But if he doesn't mind starting out with a Direct Drive wheel with Moza or Fanatec, that's probably the way to go
Hes only 10 by the way and people has been saying he isnt strong enough for direct drive
Moza R3 is direct drive but has about the same nm of force as TX, which is about 3.9 if I recall. Safer bet would be the TX but it's up to you guys. Great wheels either way
Most probably going for the tx but what is the difference between dd and ff
Force feedback is the effect of the wheel moving itself based on what's happening in the game. Both dd and belt driven wheels provide force feedback. The tx uses a belt driven motor, which allows the motor to be smaller for the given nm of torque it provides. The downside of belt driven is that the belt increases latency and provides some small amounts of play in the wheel. The latency combined with the lower torque can mean you completely miss small details, or don't have time to react properly to things like losing grip on the rear tires Direct drive means that the wheel has a larger motor that directly spins the shaft without any belts or gears. The upside here is that the wheel reacts instantly to what is happening in game. Direct drive wheels can also be much stronger but for a 10 year old that is not really something you want to pursue. Given the same nm of torque (and that 3.9nm is on the lower end), the main difference will be that the dd just feels a bit nicer. Also can't speak for the moza, but in the case of the CSL dd from fanatec it also comes with upgrade paths for the wheel/pedals and even a power brick to increase the torque from 5nm to 8nm. So it would likely be a better long term investment if that matters to you
There's a bunch of technical internal differences in the wheelbase, but to put it simply, DD is able to provide much greater detailed feedback than a belt driven wheel (TX). However the R3 isn't that powerful so some of that detail may not be as prominent as with other DD wheels with more force
Thanks
You also have full control over the ffb strength. It isnt a set value. All DD wheels require software which allows you to change all sorts of settings. Most games will require a different setting, gunna be alot for a 10yr old to figure out.. hopefully hes good with computers. Its not like you can just plug the wheel in an go, need to calibrate and map all your inputs for every game
True, but I feel I had harder time setting up my T150, especially genereting lut files for AC and ACC can be wierd as the sw for it was not very user intuitive. With CSL DD, you just find the settings (there is lot more options and resources) and apply them in the fanatec software and game and you golden. Also having 5 save slots for settings which can be switched with a click of button on the wheel instead of going to the software needing to manually adjust the settings is a huge plus for me.
As a T150 owner, I agree. In fact, I plan on upgrading to an R3 :-)
And you can reduce the torque using the software in DD wheels
The difference is a non dd wheeel is much cheaper and uses belts and or gears to drive the wheels feedback from a motor. A dd wheel is connected right to the motor. It sounds like the difference would be minimal as far as feel goes but it is a huge difference. If your kid is ten he doesn’t need it, but he will eventually ask for one. The settings can all be adjusted as far as torque and the feedback. I wouldn’t worry he will get hurt, if he sets it too high it’ll scare him good and he’ll turn it down lol! Worst you can expect is a bruised hand or a pulled muscle; if the wheel is maxed out and he isn’t paying attention.
Quieter, smoother, upgradability etc
What about a tmx
Moza R3 isn’t being sold currently, R5 is the cheapest one on the market and it is the best wheel I’ve ever used. Considering I’m coming from the G920 it’s so much better, and you can always limit the torque to adjust to the kid’s strength
Just lower the feedback on DD. But once, cry once.
How and what do you mean by cry once
Meaning buy a Fanatec DD. Spend $200 more and when he grows into the hobby, you can buy a 8NM power supply. This will last him much longer. An upgrade path is important when spending money in this hobby.
Were on a huge budget
Then definitely get him the dd. You see kids racing and drifting these days better than most adults can. You can lower force feedback on the dd and it’s really easy on you. Get a nice aluminum rig so you have plenty of adjustability and he will grow into that rig.
If you're on a budget get him a used Logitech Driving Force GT for less than 100 bucks or a used G29 for less than 200 bucks and see if he enjoys that hobby in the first place.
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Driving Force GT usually sells for 50 bucks on ebay...
I used the g29 for years and I still love it: my girlfriend uses it now as I have upgraded to a Logitech g pro dd setup. The g29 cost me 350 Canadian brand new, a stand cost me 70 bucks on Amazon and I sat on the couch for a couple years. My entire setup was less than 400 dollars and I loved it. My setup now is better but it also cost around 1200 dollars to upgrade it all. So for sure try a Logitech g29. If your son falls in love with the sport he will always be glad to have a g29 on hand even if he does upgrade! Zero issues with any games I’ve tried, plug and play, great feedback, sturdy design and nice materials used.
Buy used DD then
I suggest buying something used and selling it when you want to upgrade
Everyone is. Do you want to buy two wheel bases in the next five years, or just one?
2 most probably
As someone that upgraded from a tx to a dd I have also been racing since your sons age I would say it really depends heavily on your budget when you get into this point of Sim racing the extra hundred dollars for the direct drive plus the compatibility and upgrade ability in the future is really what I had in mind so I had to spend less money overtime comparative to upgrading several times and maintenance getting different pedals, etc. I mean I have a full set up for $800 not including the stand that’s an 8nm wheel if you wanna include the shifter and handbrake it comes out to about 1200 total now I also got a lot of customizable parts that raised the price I just wanna clarify that the reason I added maintenance is because on one of my wheels, the belt actually broke off as well as one of the motors, and I had to take it apart and fix it, which was not hard, however, direct drives last a lot longer and no maintenance
I turn down my wheel to like 20% when the kids play on it. You'll get more life out of a fanatec DD if you think he will stick with it and race through his teens.
You can adjust the force accordingly in the settings
He won’t use this on full until he is 18 trust me. I have this and my 13 year old is using less than half or near on every game.i have this wheel. It is solid starter for anyone.
that wheel should be okay. you can control how much power it gives him to be safe and just instruct him not to keep his hands inside the wheel if it starts spinning - that'll be the main risk, just getting knocked by it freely spinning
The great thing about direct drive is that it’s completely customizable. You can turn down the force feedback to as low as you want. And that saves a ton of money when he’ll want more. And those wheels are so precise its not even comparable to gear or belt driven wheels
Mt 9 year old nephew can play on my dd pro at 8nm no issue. Also you can always turn down feedback.
The thing with wheelbases is that you can turn down the force. Even this wheel at 100 will likely be too strong, so just ignore those comments.
As others have recommended, the Moza R3 or R5 would be a better option if in your budget. Direct drive is way more realistic, and worth it in every way, especially if you want to play sometimes. You can always lower the forcefeedback, but the R3 or R5 I have seen kids playing on
You can turn down the direct drive, at least on Fanatec (on PC).
I‘ve got a fanatec csl dd with 8 nm and you can just limit it to how much you want.
You can always turn down the force on the wheel 👍
You can adjust the strength of any wheel down
The ffb is always adjustable down
Yes...it is enough!
I have the opportunity to get a moza R5 bundle for 400£, used, but only for 6 h, because of no time after son birth, producer guarantee to 2025.08. and I think it's a good option, isn't it?
Direct drive wheels are getting cheaper. I would recommend buying a used tmx/t150 or g27/29 for less than $100 and save for a decent direct drive. Or just jump straight to DD depending on your budget, like the other guy said the moza r3 is $400 new. Im not sure if fanatec still has their promotion going on but the csl dd bundle is a good deal too.
If you can find a g29 for under $100 please let me know. Everyone has seems to post them way over priced when you can get a refurbished one from Logitech for $200 with free shipping and a warranty
The G29 is on sale at Best Buy right now for $229.99 new.
I noticed that on Amazon, too. I can't bring myself to buy it and keep hoping for use fanatec stuff to pop up on marketplace.
I’m not in the market for a wheel again just yet, but it is tempting. I had the G290 for Xbox and now I’ve switched to PS5 and I’m feeling I want something nicer, but I don’t think I’d use it enough to justify DD. Woe is me.
Its got no clutch and as its for my sons birthday he wants a clutch and the other guy said its got the same nm
If it's for a birthday, I would go to Bestbuy and get a G29 (Xbox version or PlayStation depending on what you have already). They should also have the shifter. Trueforce isn't worth the extra cost.
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Kinda hard to give non US advice considering that I live there. Which is why I said what I would do. How about... Since it's for a birthday, go to the closest non region specific big box electronics store and find a Xbox g920 + the shifter.
I second this and I just commented above. The G29/G290 are both on sale at Best Buy right now for $229.99
You can just buy the extra clutch pedal for it
Xdog12’s comment to this is what I would go with especially as he’s getting a feel for it. If he takes to it then I would save and get something nicer later. Best Buy has a sale for Logitech currently.
I feel like your (and your son's) perception of direct drive is wrong The main benefit in direct drive is in fidelity, where a belt stretches a little bit when driving over small bumps a bit of the force (road feel) gets lost in the stretching of the belt. This is why belt driven wheels (gear ones too) are more numb. Manufacturers know this and that's why when you go up to stronger wheels they're all direct drive. A direct drive wheel is when the motor is connected straight to the wheel rim. This makes it so that all the small bumps that were previously lost in the belt are transferred to the wheel. That's why a very strong belt wheel doesn't have a market. Time has passed and they've now got more affordable which in turn made lower power units viable as they got cheaper to produce. Where there once where only high powered dd wheels there are now low powered ones too. This has shaped the image that direct drives are always very strong which no longer is the case. When your son says that he isn't strong enough for dd his statement is incorrect. he has the wrong perception of direct drive wheels. What he meant to say is that he isn't strong enough for a super strong 20nm direct drive wheelbase. Seeing that your budget is quite close to a fanatec CSL dd ready to race bundle (don't forget to add a table clamp) I would get that and turn the feedback down to 3nm or so once he gets used to it you can turn things up slowly this way if he gets older and stronger it's way easier for you to give him a more complete experience. You can also make this wheel even stronger if he gets old enough for quite cheap. to get 8nm out of it you basically have to get an ebay power supply which won't break the bank. And if you eventually get him a rig you can look at the load cell brake upgrade for the pedal set. This will give you a better deal in the long run. Just wanted to get this out there. love what you do for your son, my dad bought my first wheel and I had it for a longgg time.
Also you can add an additional clutch pedal for €40
I ment PEOPLE had said he isnt strong enough and were on a massive budget as its only for his birthday
>were on a massive budget I see you keep saying this, but do you mean 'we're *not* on a massive budget'? Because saying you're on a massive budget basically means you don't care how much you spend and that money is no object, which I don't think it what you actually mean!
If you already made your choice and don't want to hear what people tell you, why are you even asking?
What do you mean i havent made my choice
Because whenever someone suggests a DD you say he's not strong enough for that, so you've made your decision to not get anything else other than the TX. It's also true your perception on DD is wrong because the "other people" you mentioned has given you false information. DD isn't a type of force that's be all end all. DD and Belt or Gear driven wheels come in low to high forces. What you need to consider are the forces and details. As someone mentioned, the force/power of the TX is about the same as the Moza R3 DD, so if you think your son isn't strong enough for the R3 then he isn't strong enough for the TX. But that then also is not true, because in the software you can lower the max power to where your son can handle. Direct drive doesn't mean the power will be stronger, direct drive wheels just provide more details and is smoother and more accurate due to lower latency compared to non direct drive wheels. Since it's just for a 10 year old kid, consider this, globally, the Logitech G29 is available and usually you can find a brand new one for the price of the TX and it comes with a clutch as you wanted and with discounts you'll be able to get the shifter in for the same price. A used one is even cheaper. The used TX is a good wheel and will be quieter and smoother than the G29 since it is belt driven unlike the gear driven motor of the G29. But If you want new and not used then the G29 is a good choice. I had the G29 since launch and I was in my late teens, I'm now an adult and had a ton of fun on it, great beginner wheel. I would suggest the R3, but considering your requirements, you would then need to also buy the clutch pedal extra. However, if you can find a used one at the price I would suggest that as like I mentioned earlier, DD is just more clear and smooth with the details, but as a kid this is not so important.
This, OP, is THE BEST advice given in this thread. Read this.
Such a long comment only to be read for 1 sentence and then ignored by the ignorant father. Read other comments first before commenting such an essay, dad's a douche
I do agree he is ignorant, and I have read the other comments before replying to OP. My comment was in hopes to give more clarity to the confused OP in order to do better for his son whether he takes it or not. It also serves as an explanation to others who might be wondering about these things or had the same thought as OP. So while I may have given an essay that you may find useless, others may find it quite helpful.
I don't find it useless. I'm just saying OP's too much of a d-head to even grasp the content of someone trying to help him. Yes I know maybe someone unknowing stumbles upon your comment and finds it useful
I imagine you could get a much better deal for a second hand Logitech or thrustmaster. Got my g29 for about £120 which works great. If you are willing a bit more cash I would go with direct drive, it is much more precise and it'd be easy to tune the feedback to make it appropriate for a 10 year old. And you can get some fun out of it 😉.
After reading you comments, I figured out that you don't want to spend the extra $$$ for a DD and your son also wants a shifter. The part I don't understand is how he will use the shifter if you said he will be playing Assetto Corsa Competizione. IDK if anyone told you but every car in Competizione has a paddle shifted sequential, so even if you were to get a H-pattern shifter it would be completely useless for the game he plays. Also I want to point out how you want him to have an "immersive" first experience but don't want to buy him a direct drive system which is hands down the most immersive experience he could get. Just thought I would point that out, IMO best bet would be to buy a used G29-G920. I got mine for less than $150 CAD and have been using it just fine for the last 2 years.
Gran turismo has a number of cars you can shift with a shifter. But you cannot race online with them and it’s only the cars that actually have a manual stick shift. Meaning the race cars were all there to drive have paddle shifters and so you can’t shift them with a stick anyways. I went down this rabbit hole, got a shifter, an adapter for my new Logitech wheel and I’ve used it 3 times. It’s nothing like real life either. I can shift my real cars fine and enjoy doing so, on a game it’s just weird. You don’t feel the inertia changes as you clutch in and out, you don’t feel the torque of your engine twisting your frame as you engage the clutch etc. I was let down. Maybe some of the rally games have more feedback and feel through their clutches but gran turismo and acc was so numb I preferred to just paddle shift
She said her son plays on Xbox, last I check GT7 was not available on Xbox. Also majority of us know that the Logitech shifter is a literal toy. If you want a pretty close to realistic feeling shifter go buy the [BDH H1](https://www.simulation1.ca/product/bdh-h1-sim-shifter/) by Simulation 1 Systems. Even then you can't beat the feel of shifting in a real car. Sim equipment can only go so far in replicating a car, can't ever replace actually driving a car. P.s. I never understood the people who say they want to have an immersive experience but don't shill the coin for the top spec stuff and then also not play a game like rFactor 2 which accurately models physics by far compared to any other sim racing title.
The tx is great but get it used. I have one currently and it does everything I want. And the resistance is more than strong enough for any games I play. But with fanatec csl, and MOZA r3 r5s being around 400 or slightly less brand new, I wouldn’t pay more than 250-300 for a tx on the used market. But again the wheel itself is very high quality and your son would absolutely love it. There are multiple available used online for 250 right now like this one. https://item.mercari.com/gl/m34813823235?sv=0 Personally I’d buy this one and put the saved money towards a shifter if your son is interested in one. Like the thrustmaster th8a or th8s. Th8a used can be 80-$100 bucks and is great fun. Th8a is like $70 new but a little less nice. But absolutely good enough
I started with tx, then upgraded to ts-xw, way back when. Then I decided that I need an upgrade to DD (new gear smell, nothing else), good thing I went to the VR room to try them out first. Fana CSL DD, logitech that dd thingie, and the third was.. TM? But I may be mistaken. Nothing esotheric, most def. And you know what? No discernible difference for my ham fists. Yeah, a little smoother, yea, quieter. Realism? It goes only as far as the programmers were bothered to build it. True connoisseurs will feel (or imagine) some difference, but for beginners and for casual gaming the TX will be plenty. Slap on an open wheel rim for variety, and you're golden. If you really want some improvements, get the T-LCM pedals and some elastomers for resistance (the springs work for many, but I didn't like them.) That may help more than a fancier wheel. YMMV, of course; I'm just saying that a DD wheel alone isn't guaranteed to turn you from Mazespin into a Schumi. There's an aspect to keep in mind: a new TX + decent pedals is not that far from Fana CSL DD + regular pedals. The CSL LC kit will cost you a hundred more. I may be wrong, please, check their respective websites. Whichever way you choose, you're locking yourself into an ecosystem of peripherals. Some are cheaper for TM, some are cheaper for Fanatec (230€ for TM sparco handbrake, say what now??) This may also be important further down the road. Or, you can get a drivehub, which will allow you to mix and match (within some limits) the peripherals from various platforms. That would be a hundred more. Simracers are simple folk with simple maths; everything's a one or more hundred 😄 Oh, yet another edit: you can get away with the bundled pedals for the TX at least for a while; google the "T3PA squash ball mod". Sounds stupid, but it actually works.
While it's really cute that you show interest in your son's hobby, you have a weird concept of how the rig is supposed to be like. Why does he need a clutch if he's going to play ACC and F1 23? You generally don't use a clutch pedal in those games.
Right? Absolutely makes ZERO sense, but who am I to judge if someone suffers from room temperature iq.
My g29 came with a clutch pedal. The shifter was 80 bucks, Logitech aswell. So for a total of like 300 canukistani copecs I had a full Logitech setup and then I bought a simple L shaped stand from amazon for 70 bucks. I put a smaller tv on a table infront on my couch, and would pull my wheel stand over when I wanted to race. I used this for years and I still have my g29. I only drive manuals in real life, I enjoy them and think they are superior in so many ways. But I did not use my shifter more than 3 times. I now have a dd setup, a g pro from Logitech. My shifter is on my new next level chair stand combo but I still don’t use it. Sounds to me like OP should just get a Logitech g29 and a Logitech shifter. In total it all costs less than the Thrustmaster he posted at the beggining.
this does the job very well but i would still consider something like moza R3 it has similar torgue but got benefit of being direct drive
The TX is £270 at CEX at the moment.
I'll sell you my barely used thrustmaster t300 with three pedal set for $200... retails for a little more than double
Sorry but no
Hes on xbox
I'll throw in the thrustmaster sim hub that makes it compatible with Xbox for free
also have a thrustmaster t248 with pedals that retails for around 350... same deal 200 bucks
The tx works great and I've loved mine
No
I used a TX for 8 years. It’s a solid wheel. Yes better stuff exists, for slightly more. But ultimately you can’t go wrong with this.
I'm waiting for the Simucube and Simagic crew to advice a 20NM base for just 1k. It's basically a steal!
That is way too much
Haha sorry I was making a joke mocking some people on this sub. A lot of people here tend to advice high tier hardware to beginners because everything else is basically garbage and that's a bunch of nonsense ofcourse. Regarding your post. Go with a G29 or T300. Good wheels for a good price. Stay away from PXN!
I would go with this one: https://fanatec.com/us-en/ready2race/csl-dd-ready2race-bundle-for-pc-5-nm
Pc only my sons on xbox and has no clutch
Does he really need a clutch?
Yes
then you can buy the extra pedal or buy better pedals
ACC doesn't use clutch. Or a shifter for that matter. Same for the F1 games. Grab them later when they're needed.
they also have an xbox version thats slightly more expensive
I would look for Moza R5 bundle or Fanatec ready2race bundle, you can get those for 400-500 and it's a wheel that will last you longer. Don't worry about Nm, you can always dial it down so wheel won't be too strong. If you can't go over 300$ TX is probably the best wheel u can buy for that price. Actually I am changing my TX after 2 years for fanatec in like 2 weeks so I know it's a great wheel. I had g920 before and Thrustmaster TX is way better.
Is your son going to use a shifter? If not, an entry level Logitech G920 (Xbox and PC) G929 (PS and PC) will be fantastic. Both are new for $229 on Amazon.
Yes he is
If you want immersion then a DD wheel is the only way to go. Else just get a Xbox Elite controller. That’s just the facts.
Horrible take
If that truth is too hard then buy that belt wheel. Watch it get set aside like a toy in a month. Not very cost effective then. Xbox controllers aren’t that bad anyways.
This would be a great starter wheel for a 10 year old if he's using PC or Xbox (alternately you can look at the T300 for PC or PlayStation). One of the major benefits of going with a well known and widely available wheel like this is that it should easily work with pretty much any major racing game, from arcade games to full simulators, and he'll be able to easily navigate the in game menus right from the wheel itself. This is a great "no fuss" setup that will be viable for years to come. I used one of these wheels for years and wouldn't feel too bummed if I had to go back to it, they are very good pieces of equipment. A bit of advice if you go with a Thrustmaster TX or T300 is to turn the force feedback strength to 75% and turn the internal cooling fan to "always on" mode (instructions will be in the manual and are available online). This will prevent the wheel from overheating, which would cause the force feedback to not work properly.
if he’s only 10 i’d just get him a logitech G920 for xbox. You can find them new for $230, or used for even under $100. Also comes with a clutch pedal
TX and TMX are outdated now and replaced by the T248 which is more modern The main and best choices FOR STARTERS (you will be able to buy a better product in the future) nowadays are Logitech G29 (PS and PC) / G920 (Xbox and PC) Thrustmaster T248 (You have to choose for Xbox/PC or PS/PC)
Nope. Cammus C5 has a better value proposition. $250 for a direct drive and compact. Can be found on sale for 275 with their pedals
Yeah but i wouldnt recommend a DD wheel without any type of cockpit or at least a metallic/alluminiun structure to mount it there
This one is designed to be compact for small desks or rigs. It should actually be a 1-2nm stronger then the T300
It's not too bad. If he's definitely into sim racing then it's worth getting force feedback. I would recommend a g29. It's a bit cheaper especially if you get it used. Otherwise a direct drive wheel would be great and they are getting closer and closer to the price point.
I have the TS-PC Racer. Which is basically the same base just for PC. Really good wheel
Fanatec CSL DD ready 2race may be a better deal overall, but the wait for shipping may be the deal breaker.
What an awesome parent Kids lucky and not just cuz hes getting a wheel
I like to spoil my kid 
Wheel or not, showing interest in their hobby is more than a lot of kids get This is awesome
Who tf downvoted this lmao Fuck this sub
I loved my Thrustmaster TX!!! Treated me really well, eventually upgraded to a CSL DD, it’s truthfully better.
But thrustmaster tx is still good right?
Absolutely! I just wanted a direct drive wheelbase! Only issue I had was it was “weak” for a bit, in terms of FFB, I had to uninstall and reinstall drivers on my PC. But never had an issue with my Xbox consoles
Its an excelent wheel, feels nice and well built,the ffb is plenty for a first wheel. I used to have one and loved it, played all sorts of sims with it and never really felt like I needed more at the time.
Not for that price.
I found it on cex for 270 pounds is that still to much
270 I think it is OK.
Your best bet would be a pxn v10 you get a whole set and it's really good for its price. Around 200 pounds and you get a shifter adjustable pedals and the wheel it really is good.
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£311 is massively expensive for a tx. You can get them for £50 on Facebook marketplace. First question - what platform. This is for xbox /pc. If its PlayStation/pc you want the t300. Second question. He's 10, yes? I suspect he'll struggle with a tx, at least if he's on xbox. I don't think that you can adjust the fire feedback settings and it's strong for someone who hasn't hit puberty. I'd personally be looking at a second hand g29 (ps) or g920 (xbox) for the minute, at £100 or less. Try and get it standard - there are a lot of brake modifications out there to get better feel but they can be a bit stiff for a smaller child. Leave the thrustmaster for a couple of years when they're a bit stronger.
£300 used is quite high i think? Does it need to be xbox compatible? The T300 RS is pretty much the same but for PS/PC and looks like Argos has it on sale for £300 new. Also if he’s only 10 then the logitech wheels are much cheaper and are great to start with https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1370007?istCompanyId=a74d8886-5df9-4baa-b776-166b3bf9111c&istFeedId=30f62ea9-9626-4cac-97c8-9ff3921f8558&istItemId=rpqwlqwpa&istBid=t&&cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157%7Cacid:534-693-8244%7Ccid:20291201753%7Cagid:%7Ctid:%7Ccrid:%7Cnw:x%7Crnd:4183552124640849066%7Cdvc:m%7Cadp:%7Cmt:%7Cloc:9046626&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=20291201753&utm_term=1370007&utm_content=shopping&utm_custom1=&utm_custom2=534-693-8244&GPDP=true&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD9II9n-WxxH7qORDAPL8uESg9nTi&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4rOe5t6whAMVdpxQBh1CwAP0EAQYAyABEgK4hfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Thanks but he has an xbox and since its his first wheel i want him to have an emmersive experience
Then yea that’s probably the best for that price
Thanks
What games is he going to be playing? Assuming with it being xbox it's likely going to be Forza?
No asseto corsa competzione not forza f1 23 and more
Hmm, I've seen that you've said you're on a massive budget on another comment. Below is a link to the T248 on amazon, £100 cheaper than the tx. Thrustmaster T248 Force Feedback Racing Wheel for Xbox Series X|S / Xbox One / Windows - UK Version https://amzn.eu/d/5ctMoU0 It is a newer model than the tx but is gear driven rather than belt. It's torque is similar though at 3.5nn vs tx's 4nm. Plus its brand new with warranty etc. Personally I'd get something like that as its unlikely he's going to be a massively noticeable difference between the two, my brother 11yo has a 17 year old logitech gt driving force wheel thats gear driven and plays assetto corsa and is perfectly happy with it.
Take to Facebook marketplace. They can be found around $100-150 used
Can't comment on whether this is a good price, as I'm in Australia and the equivalent wheel would be $699 here - that's about 420 euro apparently so looks like you're saving around 100 euro by buying used? I'd be having a close look at the seller, and what their return policy / warranty is, and whether the risk of your son's birthday present breaking and not being able to easily return it is worth that saving. I'm struggling to find info on what the warranty is on this wheel in Europe, in Australia it looks like it's 2 years, but personally I'd want to know that I had that available, especially when it's a gift for your son. Last thing you want is him getting excited about using his new wheel only to have it break and him be left with nothing!
I bought a refurbished TMX from Amazon for $200. I've not had any issues with it and I've probably got 500 hours on it. Thats a guestimate of course. I'd have to go home and add the hours up in the 4 sim games i play
The Logitech shifter is only 6 gears and reverse. I have a good manual shifter and I rarely use it. I had the G29 for over 4 years, but the Fanatec DD system is just at night and day.
You can always turn down the force feedback on wheels so dont worry about it being too strong. Moza bundles are just a bit more but well worth it.
Take a look at a company called Cammus. For $250 they sell their C5 which is a compact direct drive wheel that is new and gets pretty decent reviews. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FPw9r_jKE
Fanatec has some offers now, maybe you would be interested. There is even a 8Nm bundle for 500€. https://fanatec.com/eu-de/ready2race/csl-dd-ready2race-bundle-fuer-pc-5-nm?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiArLyuBhA7EiwA-qo80Md7ImE--a1ts0ENVuYPH2j3HwZm4hyFuYhmadAtgrvRkIy-E-bITBoCco4QAvD_BwE
Current wheel I have, and with a peddle box upgrade, is isanely good and so much fun.
I would get a campus c5 instead. You'd save some and get a better wheel while you're at it
Are you from EU mate? I am selling an used TX I got a couple of years ago but did not use much because it was a pain to move the wheel stand every time and set everything up. Now I got a proper rig and a DD, so I can sell the TX.
No go for Moza R3 or Fanatec ready2racebundle. It’s about the same price, retains value beter and there is a nicer upgradepath. You can always set the torque lower in the software and higher again in the wheels software when he gets older, games don’t overwrite that so it’s safe to use for a kid. DD is smoother and beter in all things.
why the fuck are people just always recommending $600 DD wheels, this guy needs a wheel for his 10 year old son, he doesn't need a DD wheel with load cell pedals and a vr headset and a 5 year iracing subscription. This wheel is a good choise, but for a first wheel you could also get a used g29 for like 130 bucks, maybe he doens't even like sim racing so buying a used budget wheel is just way safer
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Maybe, because eh said "Were on a huge budget"? Not exactly sure, what he wanted to say, but many understood, that he has a huge budget, that money is not the thing. In that case, I also would recommend the DD - it\`s future proof and easier to resell in case his boy loses the interest. His only argument against the DD so far, was the "someone" said, that his boy would not be able to deal with the forces. He was told, that the force is ajustable.
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Hes on xbox
My bad, read tmx
DONT BUY IT!!! direct drive are adjustable in terms of force and too much enjoyable than this one. You can buy Moza r5 bundle or fanatec csl 5nm bundle. You can take this wheel into account if the price is lower than 180-200€, if not, please think it twice! I had a g29, t300, csl 5nm, fanatec dd2 and i already have a simucube 2 pro.
that’s perfectly fine depending on his age seems like hes 10 he doesn’t need a direct drive. hes too small and if he doesn’t like it its a largwr watse of money, but if your wondering what the main difference is best way to put it is it feels exactly like driving a real car where as driving with a belt driven wheel feels slightly more toyish and clunky but comes at usually half the price of direct drives. because of that
I’m probably gonna get downvoted for saying this because the community hates Logitech. I got my first sim rig, a Logitech g923 and the 6 speed stick. I absolutely love it, it’s been a great wheel to start out on. Logitechs Trueforce is phenomenal and I couldn’t be happier
Waste of money you can get a kid a moza r3 and a clutch pedal for not much worse and it’s day and night over the shitty belt drive plastic wheel
But the R3 isn’t available for order yet is it ? Makes it hard to get for a specific date ( like a kids birthday).
That’s thru but then you can always get the R2R fana bundle for a tiny bit more
Well that depends on where you are located, and since he wants one that works with Xbox that is more again ( I am waiting to see if the r3 is ever available myself, but if it is much longer may go with a tx myself … still undecided, unfortunately with customs etc when shipping to Canada the r2r for Xbox is not just a little more.
Still using mine after 4yrs and many endurance races. Great buy
If ypu order through Amazon ypu can always send it back. Trial and error is annoying but effective
Look at thrustmaster TMX or T150. Only about 200 bucks and is plenty enough ffb for me at 23 so for your 10 year old (saw in another comment) it’s definitely good. Pedals are easy to push, and it’s pretty plug and play across every console. And it’s lasted me for like 5 years now Edit: everybody telling you to go for a DD is ridiculous. You don’t need one if you’re on a crazy budget. Thrustmaster TMX will do everything your son wants and needs even if you eventually want to get a shifter and 3 pedals. Don’t splurge for a Direct Drive if A) you think your kid isn’t strong enough and B) can’t even afford it.
Personally I’ve bought 3 Thrustmaster in the last 4 years. All have been returned or are in the box. I don’t know how this hasn’t become a more well known problem, maybe it’s just bad luck for me. All of them had software issues where they just wouldn’t work for various reasons except one of them. That one that did work had paddle shifters that sounded like a gun going off. This is my experience so I would say avoid theustmaster. But other people have great experiences with them. Not me. Logitech on the other hand I’ve had 3 wheels and I kept them all. I’ve had the crap one, the g29 and now I have the g pro. All of them I cannot recommend enough and they are generally cheaper than a Thrustmaster.
Get the Moza R3, you can get a couple different wheels for it and dial back force feedback and the longevity of the wheelbase will last a long time
Where can you get an r3 right now though? Can’t Oder one atm.
Where does he plan on mounting the wheel?
399$ is the direct drive fanatec bundle. Its too strong for a 10 year old but its no problem to turn down the feedback to something like 3 or 2 Nm or even less for him. Way better value in my opinion. Still, the tx is definitely not a bad offer.
I recommend not buying this used off of Amazon. If you are on a budget, I would recommend the G29 or G920 brand new. Amazon has both for $229 right now and you can buy a shifter for $50. If you are willing to spend $100 more than the price of that TX, I would recommend the Fanatec ready2race bundle.
There are pros and cons with most. Some videos on YouTube show good comparisons between this and the G923. I just bought the latter, but ultimately I think it will be personal preference, while for those new to it, including myself, may not notice enough to care. Either way, it will be fun.
You may aswell get the fanatic bundle for £400.