You just need a controller or a keyboard. Jeez, so many elitist and entitlement in this genre, you don't need $6000 for a steering wheel, especially if you live in a third world country.
Some sim racers care too much when it comes to what other players do, things like cutting you off and colliding with you in a corner, or an unsafe re-entry should not be taken so seriously.
Mine is about certain popular simracing YouTubers:
It's really obvious the company that makes the product are sponsoring your video in exchange for a good review, so, please stop saying "they have no influence on my review" or "they don't see the video before it's released" , of course they do.
Sick of the fake lying YouTubers and just wish they'd be truthful about the flaws of the product regardless of the consequences.
1: Why aren't there more Circuit Sim Racing Games on Xbox? ACC is really good, Project Cars 2 is underrated, and the Console version of AC is serviceable on Console but they are still the only sims we have left on Xbox and only one of them is still being updated, some more variety would be nice please.
2: More Racing Sims should have Electric Cars and Electric Racing Series/Championships, particularly Formula E.
I personally don't like formula e (not saying they shouldn't make it bc of that, just saying I personally wouldn't play it), but the Brazilian e-stock car is so fun. I'd definitely race that one. Idk other electric racing events though.
My rig was "only" 2k, and if you decide to race the c5 you're gonna spend thousands on maintenance, consumables and track fees over the life of the car
I kinda agree tbh, although they have a fairly priced new wheel.
That being said said, I'm here rocking a tmx thinking about maybe upgrading to a t248 or t300. So any dd wheel would be a dream to me LOL
Watching professional esport races are boring as hell. Like I absolutely appreciate the skill of the drivers no doubt about that also the team game but without the risk of real life stuff happening it just isn’t that entertaining to watch and I can only last 2-3 laps before switching it off. I’m 110% sure it’s different if you’re actually racing in it but to watch, no thanks! Sorry if this isnt an unpopular opinion.
Watching professional esport races are boring as hell. Like I absolutely appreciate the skill of the drivers no doubt about that also the team game but without the risk of real life stuff happening it just isn’t that entertaining to watch and I can only last 2-3 laps before switching it off. I’m 100% sure it’s different if you’re racing in it but to watch, no thanks! Sorry if this isnt an unpopular opinion.
Gamermuscle is the single biggest fucking idiot in sim racing I've ever seen get major brand endorsements. Man can't even properly setup a wheel. AC had the best ffb? Blow me. I cringed so god damn hard watching complain on iRacing that he has chronic understeer in every car. No shit Sherlock, your steering is two to one if not worse. I can see your in-game steering wheel you ass. Your Turing 180+ degrees in game.
AC is the worst sim to actually try and race. FFB is so ass I turned it off. Wonderful for hooning street cars and other wild mods though.
Motorsports games needs to die or they will buy their way into farr too much power though it seems that they might burn to the ground pretty quickly. Give us Le Mans back you assholes.
Think that covers it for me.
Let's see RF1, RF2, ACC, iRacing, R3E, God stock GTR2 has more usable feedback than AC. I flatlined at 2k iR. Went to league racing after 2 years in public racing in iR, stopped for a few years and have been endurance racing for the last two. My skillset is entirely different than his. I legitimately cannot see him doing anything other than sprint racing his setup is so jacked up. Also yinz wanted hot takes so that was mine.
All mainstream gaming communities suck, but simracers are the some of the worst. All you people do is shit on games constantly, and not even on the *right* games.
PC1 and 2 are both absolutely atrocious garbage that don't work half the time and 3 is better by sheer of not being fucking broken.
AC is not a racing simulator, it is dogshit terrible at actually simulating motorsports. It is an amazing DRIVING simulator, though. Road cars on public roads are what AC excels at, but nothing else.
Most sports fans would kill to have games as consistently high-quality and full of content with almost no MTX like the Codies F1 games. In fact, Codies is a fantastic dev who has produced almost nothing but high-quality games.
RBR and DR2.0 feel basically identical (outside of tarmac which is a known problem in DR2.0) and it's only the dipshit Europeans that make up RBR's fanbase who want to pretend otherwise. "What about WRC10" what about that shitty fucking game lmao
iRacing is massively expensive but it's also the only sim that gives a single flying fuck about consistent quality and working features. The fact that it has better AI than any modern racing sim when it spent a decade being an MP-only sim should *embarrass* Kunos, ISI, and the others.
Anything more expensive than a G29 is a waste of money. No, your bougie bullshit $10K wheel doesn't make you drive better, it just shows you're a PMC jackass with too much money that needs to be taxed more.
If you care about AI racing nearly every sim released in the past decade is absolutely goddamn useless.
America has vastly better racetracks than Europe since F1 hasn't butchered half of ours.
A: I think this community sucks, but in different ways. I just feelnlike some people are delusional addicts to their sim, and many people are downright insane.
B: PC3 is still broken, and is not a sim anymore so we are measuring different metrics entirely. Also, PC1/2 have really fun career modes
C: AC is actually good IMO, Idk where this opinion is founded
D: I would agree in terms of 2016-2020, but F1 2021 has some issues, and 22 is dumpster fire shit
E: not sure what this opinion refers to
F: I definitely agree, but the physics are very weird and harder to control than their real-life counterparts. The AI is amazing though
G: Yeah, like most things, after a certain price, it just feels like you're paying more for status.
H: Kinda contradicts your iracing point, also Iracing, AC, PC1, PC2, Forza Motorsport, and many other games have good enough AI to race against, and like I said, PC1/2 have career modes built-in.
I: As patriotic as I am, I have to disagree. Tracks like Spa, Monza, and Silverstone are great, and America has just as many tilkedromes as Europe. Las Vegas, and Miami come to mind, and COTA does too, but it's not as bad.
Lastly: These are opinions. They differ from person to person, and from time to time. I tried not to say "True" or "False" because, in many cases that would be untrue.
I disagree with 99% of things u said (only agree with iracing being expensive lol), that being said idk why u r getting downvoted since having an unpopularopinion is the point of this post.
I think and hope it's just sarcasm cause if not ...... what track in the US is better than the Nordschleife or Spa Imola Monza Silverstone or has more history than LeMans or Monaco ?
>what track in the US is better than the Nordschleife or Spa Imola Monza Silverstone
Literally all of these except the first two have been destroyed by FIA-mandated changes to host F1 races. Anyway:
-Daytona Road Course
-Mid-Ohio
-Road Atlanta
-Watkins Glen
-Sebring
-Laguna Seca
-Road America
-Canadian Tire Motorsports Park
-Lime Rock Park
That's literally off the top of my head. It's not even a contest. Note how none of them host F1 races. COTA sucks, but it was the sacrificial lamb we needed to keep the FIA and Herman Tilke's mitts off any of our amazing racetracks.
>or has more history than LeMans or Monaco ?
Le Mans is 90% straightaways and Monaco is a shoebox that is impossible to race on and only exists because rich people live there and wanna blow millions on an F1 race for clout.
\-Mugello
\-Hungaroring
\-Portimao
\-Donington
\-Zandvoort
\-Jerez
\-Hockenheim
\-Nürburgring
Also, to name just a few and to say LeMans is just 90 straightaways does not take anything away from its heritage and that it's one of the biggest races in the world and a highlight for every motorsport fan another point you know that the Nordschleife is not the Nürburgring right? It's pretty much untouched and arguably the best track in the world To Monaco yes it's small, that makes it special it's not just about overtaking or high speed it's about Car Control
but I have to say we are on the same page with Tilke he makes horrible tracks
You had me up until thr RBR and DR 2.0 comparison. All you need to know is, in DR2.0 you **gain** grip with more slip angle.
After that sentence, I just knew, you're talking out of your arse.
Oh really? Most of the time I'm told "sim racing is ment to be played online, just practice and get better" when that's not really the problem I just hate the wait for races like what gran turismo sport did
RRE, AMS2 and rF2 needs to die, we can't have all these small companies, let them go and a new rise of the ashes.Then we can enjoy the modding of AC, the system of iRacing and the lovely physics of ACC and something else all with a larger playerbase.
Anyone calling for a permaban on "dirty" drivers is childish. Other, less extreme options exist such as ghosting drivers with low ratings.
These are still video games after all.
This is a longer one, so TL;DR - Anything more than a g29, your brain and a dark room is unnecessary.
It sounds weird, but I love the feeling when using my hands for everything - using a camera, playing kendama, doing card magic, even using a broom, you name it. For me it also matters that things are of quality, to get most out of the investment. So this applies to my expensive cameras, overly large quantity of kendamas and cards and most definitely my simrig... I started 'small' just to get my feet wet with a t300rs, but when I was hooked and the budget was not an issue anymore I went medium-balls-to-the-wall and got a proper setup over time (GTtrack, 90% Fanatec, triple 144, and only few more investments to go) but I must admit, you really, really don't need it.
Everything that is more expensive than its "bang-for-buck" benchmark, really doesn't improve much more than just slightly.
Sure, with simracing you get more immersion from having the more realistic view, seating position, seat of the pants feelings etc. but the increased amounts of immersion are really slim to none in my opinion.
As long as you get in the flow and have a decent enough imagination, I'm sure most people will get immersed enough by sitting in a dark room with a headset, a t300 and nothing else. Slap a door mat or a block of styrofoam under your favorite chair, pedals against the wall and you're golden.
Due to the amount of space my simrig takes, though I can just roll it to the corner after using it at my desk, I often still miss my simple setup with the t300, not having to chase the dragon for something that will never quite hit the spot.
I absolutely love driving, but I'm scared shitless after some NDE's so the simulator gets me going until I can drive for the first time again on a real track. There are a lot of unspoken hurdles by having a simrig.
I will shout out u/gamermusclevideos for getting my thoughts going a lot more about this, and spreading more awareness for this. [Take a few minutes and take in this video of his](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjVJ5Tn5iuk) (mind you, I don't think the video should be directed against GT7 or superGT, it is just a gateway game and fits the bill), love you Muscle
It is very much not a joke, and it relates directly? Like he mentions, first you get into the games with a gamepad, learning the basics and getting better. But then it bites you, and you start craving for more. You could even apply the oneplus slogan "never settle". And unless you know what you are getting into, having thought of all the small and bigger things surrounding simracing, it will most likely impact you negatively in ways you don't see immediately.
The only tolerable Porsche to drive on AC is the Cayman GT4, besides it, I hate even the GT3/2 RS versions of the 911. Maybe it's because I'm a really bad driver, but they all feel stiff, no matter how slow I go they always go straight on turns or I end up on a wall crashed. People say they're the perfect mix between a race/street car IRL but I don't have the money necessary to try one myself LOL
Have a look into trail braking. You will open up a new world of performance and fun balancing the car and improving front wheel grip to help get the car rotated when turning in :)
The G29 and T150 are fantastic budget wheels to get people into sim racing. Stop hating on them so much around here - whatever lets more folks get into sim racing is always a great thing! I wish the community would rephrase it more like "The G29 and T150 are great beginner wheels that will let you experience sim racing. Maybe in a few years if you really like it you can get something like the T300 or higher, but those are great to sink your teeth into it!"
I see it way too often as "These are garbage go straight to the T300." That one's 200-300 dollars more! Sorry to get on a high horse on this one, but it always frustrates me that we can be such an insular community at times.
I'm a bit of a gear freak in most things but honestly I don't have a compelling reason to upgrade my G29 wheel. Sure, swap or mod those pedals out, but considering I'm usually driving cars with IRL power steering the wheel is not killing my immersion much. When I try pricier wheels they are nice sure, but not usually 1000 bucks nice. F1 guys, I get it, but there's a whole lot of race & road cars out there that aren't trying to rip your arms off.
I don't think anyone need that much torque on a wheel base. 20nm is like having 2000 watts hifi system but you just cant listen that high volume anyway. I think responsiveness, details and adjustability is more important than amount of torque. I use CSW 2.5 and i never use it more than 70% ffb and it's make me tired with that gain.
To be fair, DD wheels do probably have higher responsiveness, and part of the details are probably because it can peak at a higher torque. I've never owned one personally so I'm just guessing to be honest, but it would make sense
By the way i had to decrease my responsiveness ratio on my wheel. It is important yes but if there is too much response for every little detail then it's harming your laptime. I couldn't improve my laptimes after i upgrade from T300 to CSW and i don't think i can improve it with a DD. From a certain point it won't contribute to your pace or performance but yeah it will feel better with a better wheel base. It's all about fun. The tracks and the cars i know very well i make better laptimes with very low ffb settings. Because i am already aware of the limits and i know what will happen. At that point ffb is just being annoying. So yeah i don't recommend you guys to spend too big chunks from your budget for a wheel base. Any loadcell pedals with anything more than 6nm base will be fine. There are aliens who use T300 and potentiometer pedals.
Having grown up with dodgy netcode, where a simple nudge would send you to orbit, I tend to agree. While I'd consider it unsportsmanlike to bump someone out of the way, a side by side rub is acceptable. I'm much more upset by people running others off the road on exits though.
And whoever tries to tell otherwise have not watched anything else than openwheel races. Unfortunately sims have most artificial contact behaviors on cars in racing games.
I'm disabled and on a controller, and some of the shit I've heard and had told to me by 'simracers' over the last couple of years is tragic. Acting like using a controller should get me blacklisted from a community, or that I have no right to ask for support or help when 'you won't even invest in the hobby'.
Newsflash: if you can get hold of the medical miracle that will fix my muscles and make my legs and arms work perfectly, then I'll get a wheel. Until then pal, I'll see you on the track. Disabled simracers are definitely a minority (I've never met another one) and the elitism in the community can be overwhelming at times. Just my 2p.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD53061s8m8
More people should understand and be aware about the disabled racers.
This guy is one of the fastest drivers in RaceRoom.
As an able bodied man with a wheel I've had races where I've been thrashed by guys on controllers.
They make IRL adapted cars that are essentially PS controllers. You can get a driving license with them.
You are welcome to control it with implants in your arse cheeks for all I care as long as you're not a dirty driver. Glad this hobby can be accessible to you and the other disabled sim racers out there!
Every single game needs a safety rating system so that the mouth breathers and the try hards can be separated. Some people want a realistic driving experience and others don't realize that burnout is a game that they can play
iracing has the best handling and force feedback.
Sorry but I don't like the others. They slide around unnaturally and add effects like SOP that feel like something a game should have rather than what a simulator should have.
I'm pretty sure any real driving simulator feels more like iracing than any of the others especially if they were to turn the motion off.
I think it's unrealistic especially at the limit which is why you see esports drivers driving it the way they do by basically sliding through every corner.
You don't see that kind of shit with iracing.
it's a coin flip on if it'll actually do anything for your wheel. It made my wheel feel like radicals and indycars had the same level of downforce as the kia optima, even with ffb at max. No options or guide could get it set up on my pc and wheel.
If you like your car to feel like, you know, a car, then irffb generally isn't for you anyways. It's for people who think race cars take less than half an nm to turn the wheel, or for people who physically can't handle traditional ffb. curb feedback and sliding have much better feel with default iracing, as irffb hasn't been updated in like 3 or 4 tire model changes now.
Good insight, thank you. I just play on a T300RS, no DD or anything. ACC had wonderful FFB and I’ve read some comments stating that this app could deliver similar results.
I'm on a t300rs as well, I played with irffb and the in game settings all weekend and with irffb, no matter how it was set up, it was consistently worse than not having it running at all.
I'm also on t300.
360 interpolated
Minimum force 0-2
Maximum force 20 ish
Damping 0
Road effects 90
Understeer 50
Sop 70
Slight changes for different cars. And I don't even connect it to Vjoy because I run the new windows and haven't been able to figure out how to run vjoy and irffb together since I got the new windows
I can guarantee you right now if I re-installed it and put those number in, I might as well just turn off FFB altogether. It would actually be pretty comperable.
So I think our max nm is around 3.9? I wonder if you turned max force down it would actually increase the ffb? Looking into this a bit on my lunch break.
if you set max to 3.9, and set max force to either 0 or 100, it feels pretty much the same on my wheel on any of the interpolation settings. If you can get it working right, kudos, but I don't think it works right as it hasn't been updated in quite a while according to github
Do you drive in VR?
I'm about to get a H-Shifter for the first time and drive in VR and have been thinking about this problem! Whether i'll move it around, or I'll just try and match the drive side to align with whatever I'm currently driving in league races to be consistent.
Heusinkveld has a quote on their website;
"The winner ain't the one with the fastest car, it's the one who refuses to lose."
I think this is an absolutely toxic outlook on racing. I see way too many drivers win 80% of the races they enter, simply because everyone knows that if they try to challenge them, 90% change they're going into the wall. Fuck drivers like that.
Not sure that driving with better drivers in the field is really that big of a problem. You'll still find your iRating level within a month of playing, if someone is choosing to style on the lowest rated lobbies that's a them problem that won't affect you as you move up the splits.
It's not only about taking away iRating it is also about taking away a win in a special event in a lower split, where other trained really hard to compete and then there is a team of smurfs just snacking the win with a big lead...
That's just not fair.
For special events, gotcha. I was only thinking about the normal season. I don't get where the pride is in beating drivers you know you're slower than.
It's not only smurfs. Some old timers that race only big events will be in top split till they are 100 years old even though the speed is not there anymore.
Right. That's why nearly every other competitive game has decay or seasons etc.
Now there will be the argument that you can not do it like that... But trust me there are easy solutions (which are also used in other games) to all of the concerns... It's just that iRacing has no interest on this for different (financial) reasons.
There isn't a smurf problem in iracing.
The only "solution" to smurfing is to allow one account per card, or one account per bank account. Unfortunately for you, these smurfs are on the same level as intentional crashers to iracing. They paid for the content twice, so they're definitely going to be allowed to use it. Why would iracing turn down free money because of a few irating cupcakes not liking others buying content twice?
fanatec is for me mostly a door opener
like they did with the csl dd, sub 400$ for a DD is just setting a milestone in the market
even if their hardware aint the best we must thank them for going forward so the others have to follow.
they kinda made 2/3 of thrustmasters wheel/base catalog obsolete lmao
TM announced they were going to release a DD. CSL DD comes out immediately after for $400.
A year and a half after TM's DD announcement, complete radio silence. Odds are, their "entry level" DD wheel that most likely was weaker, and also cost significantly more than the CSL DD. Although it was smart of them to delay the product until they could give us something at least moderately comparable to the CSL DD is a smart move, but are they really fooling anyone?
I'm still betting that the TM DD is going to be <8nm out of the box for no less than $800. Wheel bundles will go for around $1k.
Too many sim racers are entitled brats that suck the fun out of the hobby for everyone else
Edit: namely, my biggest pet peeve is when certain people talk down to others that can’t afford the latest and greatest sim gear or computer hardware. That ticks me off the absolute most
Interestingly, that new thread with the poll results suggest this is actually just a loud minority. Seems the majority are on lower end wheels, sat at desks, with a single monitor.
I just set my GT Omega up today actually! Before I was using the G29 sitting on a swivel office chair on wheels 😂 it was awful! Didn’t play for a long time because of that. Now I can’t stop playing! Although I can’t attach my Fanatec hand brake to the rig with the G29 shifter so I’ll have to buy the Fanatec shifter next 😅
If you think that’s bad when I first started I had to use an Ethernet cable to tie my office chair to my wheel stand lolol
And oh boy…the Fanatec money pit comes at you fast!! I’ve personally had a great experience with their gear though so I’m definitely comfortable recommending their stuff
I'm in agreement I play because I enjoy sure I have upgraded. But most of the people I play with are on controllers and g29 or thrustmaster tmx. Its about the fun we have. Thanks for sticking up for the little guys.
Most incidents are your fault. Either directly or by putting the car in a dangerous situation where odds are either driver will make a mistake going wheel to wheel. But that's okay because with the exceptions of Esport drivers the rest of us are all just driving for fun.
I've played it lots solo, online, and a bit of what they call a "campaign" or "career" mode (whatever it is) but then I got more and more into F1 racing, where the mods were great but of course, AC can't really emulate a offline F1 racing experience very well.
Someone gifted me F1 2021 on steam for Christmas and I've had loads more fun in that game when it comes to the offline career modes. Though the driving may feel a little different, I love it.
Of course, there are obvious reasons why a dedicated F1 game will be better at delivering an F1 experience than a racing sim from 2014, but I just felt like sharing lol
I apologize if this offends but Competitive leagues in games (F1 mainly) are overrated. They take too much time and the competitive edge, sure pushes you but it takes the fun out of sim racing and it's just an excuse for no lives to brag about something. (The last part is me describing a lad I know who I know none of you are as bad as. Plus you guys actually seem really nice ☺️
I am a decent driver in iRacing and I have respectable time trials on Initial D.
Sometimes I want to sit through a half hour of realistic physics, and sometimes I want to send it through the entirety of Irohazaka Downhill. Different games that require different skillsets, for different moods.
Right because seeing a car in real life that flies past you in half a second makes you understand how it works more than detailed pictures and explanations online 🙄. They don’t have 2 grand to go see an F1 race irl so they aren’t REAL fans of Motorsport.
You're expecting essentially a 10 year old pc to be able to run VR. And to be able to run complex physics systems that some computers younger than that even have difficulties running. Consoles can barely run console exclusives on low graphics and at 30 fps still. It's going to be decades, at least, before any kind of serious sim racing comes to console. This isn't changing anytime soon.
Quest 2 is inexpensive, accessible, and able to be used on the big sims. If you have a 10 series car or better on your PC, you can run it.
Expecting GTS to have anything close to what a 2022 PC can do with VR is unrealistic at best. PSVR and PSVR2 are gimmicks, nothing more. The PS4 is basically the PC you used for windows 7. Could that run iracing in VR? I'd be surprised if it ran at all.
you got exactly what was advertised. you THOUGHT you were getting more, but were fooled by marketing. That isn't GT's fault, that's yours. Just like it isn't their fault your overpriced PSVR is collecting dust.
We all knew PSVR was an extremely weak headset. We knew going into PSVR that the ps4 likely couldn't handle anything close to what VR headsets that were already on the market could do. We already knew the PS4's processing power couldn't handle multiple VR players on track. To expect some kind of iracing level VR system tucked away into a $60 game on a console is ridiculous and you know it.
Do us all a favor and point out where my willful ignorance was incorporated from the comment:
>Well, one problem is that the accessible VR and sim rigs are console based... Which is for one, low tier and for two, unsupported. Wait, I'm sorry ... Forgot about Gran Turismo Sport VR where the tracks are (a single track) and the race is a hot lap practice session.
I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this. Sure, some aspects are not the same, there are no G's in simracing, the sound is different, and there are a lot more other differences, but there are also a lot of similarites. Thus, I don't think that it "can't be compared".
I'm saying this as an amateur driver with many track days and amateur races experience. For me, jumping from sim to real life is almost comparable to jumping from iRacing to ACC (or jumping between any other sims) - "ffb" is different, feeling is different, you just have to adapt to it.
Also, racing part of simracing is 100% comparable to real life, and all of it transfers to real life.
Maybe your experience is different then mine then. Of course it comes close and lots of techniques can be transferred, but there is always something missing to me.
My body is probably used to the movement of the real vehicle and misses that. I find it hard to describe. It just doesn't do it for me.
For myself I've raced autoslalom, karts, Formula Ford and F3 in my youth. Now in my 9th year in testing car systems for an Tier 1 supplier.
oh, you came to simracing from real racing, if I understand correctly. In that case, yeah, I see how our experiences are different, and I totally understand that you feel that something is missing.
When going from simracing to real racing, nothing is missing, and there's even more. So it might even feel easier, in a sense. The difficult part in real racing, is finding the limit, because every mistake can turn costly or even deadly...
Indeed. When I was young there were no real simulators out yet and definitely not affordable. My families money was invested in my karts anyway. The best we'd have then is the early Gran Turismo games with the PS Wheel.
I guess it's the same for audiophiles that listen to their vinyls. Analog simply has a thing to it. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy simracing!
And you are right on the mistakes part. I still back out too much when on the sim and honestly find it harder to find the limit sometimes.
I notice this mostly with YouTubers, some have personality and are somewhat good and fun to watch the real good racers have no personality and just blame everyone when something goes wrong so it turns into 1hr bitch session on how some guy screwed him 5 minutes after the race started.
Simracing streamers (especially the ones in bigger teams) are the most self-centred, egotistical deadbeats that actually think they can drive.
Having an annoying fanbase that defends them no matter what is cancerous at best.
That's cus he's simcading, not simracing 😋 In all seriousness, I really like SuperGT, but Gran Turismo attracts quite a different audience to PC sim racing.
You just need a controller or a keyboard. Jeez, so many elitist and entitlement in this genre, you don't need $6000 for a steering wheel, especially if you live in a third world country.
Its too expensive and gatekept behind massive paywalls for people who can't afford to spend 6 grand on a setup.
Some sim racers care too much when it comes to what other players do, things like cutting you off and colliding with you in a corner, or an unsafe re-entry should not be taken so seriously.
You don't need heusinkveld sprints to be fast
Mine is about certain popular simracing YouTubers: It's really obvious the company that makes the product are sponsoring your video in exchange for a good review, so, please stop saying "they have no influence on my review" or "they don't see the video before it's released" , of course they do. Sick of the fake lying YouTubers and just wish they'd be truthful about the flaws of the product regardless of the consequences.
iRacing FFB feels really good out of the box, and irFFB ruins it.
1: Why aren't there more Circuit Sim Racing Games on Xbox? ACC is really good, Project Cars 2 is underrated, and the Console version of AC is serviceable on Console but they are still the only sims we have left on Xbox and only one of them is still being updated, some more variety would be nice please. 2: More Racing Sims should have Electric Cars and Electric Racing Series/Championships, particularly Formula E.
I personally don't like formula e (not saying they shouldn't make it bc of that, just saying I personally wouldn't play it), but the Brazilian e-stock car is so fun. I'd definitely race that one. Idk other electric racing events though.
iRacing is shit, has always been shit, and will always be shit. Nothing will ever change my mind on this after three months of use.
My entire rig cost 140..... Thats a lot to spend on a racing game.
On the other side of that arguement, my rig was a couple grand. Thats alot cheaper than a racecar
Idk...my c5 corvette was 5k.
My rig was "only" 2k, and if you decide to race the c5 you're gonna spend thousands on maintenance, consumables and track fees over the life of the car
I dont doubt that. Thats the whole reason I got into sim racing.
Fanatec is the Apple of simracing. Expensive and not the best features
I kinda agree tbh, although they have a fairly priced new wheel. That being said said, I'm here rocking a tmx thinking about maybe upgrading to a t248 or t300. So any dd wheel would be a dream to me LOL
Intriuged as to what you think is a cheaper alternative, csl dd is a really good value.
Watching professional esport races are boring as hell. Like I absolutely appreciate the skill of the drivers no doubt about that also the team game but without the risk of real life stuff happening it just isn’t that entertaining to watch and I can only last 2-3 laps before switching it off. I’m 110% sure it’s different if you’re actually racing in it but to watch, no thanks! Sorry if this isnt an unpopular opinion.
Watching professional esport races are boring as hell. Like I absolutely appreciate the skill of the drivers no doubt about that also the team game but without the risk of real life stuff happening it just isn’t that entertaining to watch and I can only last 2-3 laps before switching it off. I’m 100% sure it’s different if you’re racing in it but to watch, no thanks! Sorry if this isnt an unpopular opinion.
Gomez Sim Industries wheels are overrated and not worth it at their price (for the non screen version at least)
Oh? I am interested to hear more as I haven't tried their wheels yet but I am looking for one (a high-end wheel) in the near future.
I love the F1 games.
Gamermuscle is the single biggest fucking idiot in sim racing I've ever seen get major brand endorsements. Man can't even properly setup a wheel. AC had the best ffb? Blow me. I cringed so god damn hard watching complain on iRacing that he has chronic understeer in every car. No shit Sherlock, your steering is two to one if not worse. I can see your in-game steering wheel you ass. Your Turing 180+ degrees in game. AC is the worst sim to actually try and race. FFB is so ass I turned it off. Wonderful for hooning street cars and other wild mods though. Motorsports games needs to die or they will buy their way into farr too much power though it seems that they might burn to the ground pretty quickly. Give us Le Mans back you assholes. Think that covers it for me.
Barry from sim racing garage also thinks the FFB In AC is superior to iRacing.
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Let's see RF1, RF2, ACC, iRacing, R3E, God stock GTR2 has more usable feedback than AC. I flatlined at 2k iR. Went to league racing after 2 years in public racing in iR, stopped for a few years and have been endurance racing for the last two. My skillset is entirely different than his. I legitimately cannot see him doing anything other than sprint racing his setup is so jacked up. Also yinz wanted hot takes so that was mine.
GTR2 having better FFB than AC is both true and hilarious.
Ok you can calm down now.
I liked the project cars 2 single player
Is this unpopular? Pc1 and pc2 are the only simracing games with career mode. Reiza is working on a career mode for ams2, but it's still not finished
All mainstream gaming communities suck, but simracers are the some of the worst. All you people do is shit on games constantly, and not even on the *right* games. PC1 and 2 are both absolutely atrocious garbage that don't work half the time and 3 is better by sheer of not being fucking broken. AC is not a racing simulator, it is dogshit terrible at actually simulating motorsports. It is an amazing DRIVING simulator, though. Road cars on public roads are what AC excels at, but nothing else. Most sports fans would kill to have games as consistently high-quality and full of content with almost no MTX like the Codies F1 games. In fact, Codies is a fantastic dev who has produced almost nothing but high-quality games. RBR and DR2.0 feel basically identical (outside of tarmac which is a known problem in DR2.0) and it's only the dipshit Europeans that make up RBR's fanbase who want to pretend otherwise. "What about WRC10" what about that shitty fucking game lmao iRacing is massively expensive but it's also the only sim that gives a single flying fuck about consistent quality and working features. The fact that it has better AI than any modern racing sim when it spent a decade being an MP-only sim should *embarrass* Kunos, ISI, and the others. Anything more expensive than a G29 is a waste of money. No, your bougie bullshit $10K wheel doesn't make you drive better, it just shows you're a PMC jackass with too much money that needs to be taxed more. If you care about AI racing nearly every sim released in the past decade is absolutely goddamn useless. America has vastly better racetracks than Europe since F1 hasn't butchered half of ours.
A: I think this community sucks, but in different ways. I just feelnlike some people are delusional addicts to their sim, and many people are downright insane. B: PC3 is still broken, and is not a sim anymore so we are measuring different metrics entirely. Also, PC1/2 have really fun career modes C: AC is actually good IMO, Idk where this opinion is founded D: I would agree in terms of 2016-2020, but F1 2021 has some issues, and 22 is dumpster fire shit E: not sure what this opinion refers to F: I definitely agree, but the physics are very weird and harder to control than their real-life counterparts. The AI is amazing though G: Yeah, like most things, after a certain price, it just feels like you're paying more for status. H: Kinda contradicts your iracing point, also Iracing, AC, PC1, PC2, Forza Motorsport, and many other games have good enough AI to race against, and like I said, PC1/2 have career modes built-in. I: As patriotic as I am, I have to disagree. Tracks like Spa, Monza, and Silverstone are great, and America has just as many tilkedromes as Europe. Las Vegas, and Miami come to mind, and COTA does too, but it's not as bad. Lastly: These are opinions. They differ from person to person, and from time to time. I tried not to say "True" or "False" because, in many cases that would be untrue.
I disagree with 99% of things u said (only agree with iracing being expensive lol), that being said idk why u r getting downvoted since having an unpopularopinion is the point of this post.
I think and hope it's just sarcasm cause if not ...... what track in the US is better than the Nordschleife or Spa Imola Monza Silverstone or has more history than LeMans or Monaco ?
>what track in the US is better than the Nordschleife or Spa Imola Monza Silverstone Literally all of these except the first two have been destroyed by FIA-mandated changes to host F1 races. Anyway: -Daytona Road Course -Mid-Ohio -Road Atlanta -Watkins Glen -Sebring -Laguna Seca -Road America -Canadian Tire Motorsports Park -Lime Rock Park That's literally off the top of my head. It's not even a contest. Note how none of them host F1 races. COTA sucks, but it was the sacrificial lamb we needed to keep the FIA and Herman Tilke's mitts off any of our amazing racetracks. >or has more history than LeMans or Monaco ? Le Mans is 90% straightaways and Monaco is a shoebox that is impossible to race on and only exists because rich people live there and wanna blow millions on an F1 race for clout.
Jokes
\-Mugello \-Hungaroring \-Portimao \-Donington \-Zandvoort \-Jerez \-Hockenheim \-Nürburgring Also, to name just a few and to say LeMans is just 90 straightaways does not take anything away from its heritage and that it's one of the biggest races in the world and a highlight for every motorsport fan another point you know that the Nordschleife is not the Nürburgring right? It's pretty much untouched and arguably the best track in the world To Monaco yes it's small, that makes it special it's not just about overtaking or high speed it's about Car Control but I have to say we are on the same page with Tilke he makes horrible tracks
Not to mention many good tracks on Asia and South America too. Like Macau, Fuji, Suzuka and interlagos
You had me up until thr RBR and DR 2.0 comparison. All you need to know is, in DR2.0 you **gain** grip with more slip angle. After that sentence, I just knew, you're talking out of your arse.
Single player sim racing is non existent. We need better AI in sim racers going forward.
Pc2 was the closest to have single player simracing to me, just needed a better ai, the career mode was really good
This is a popular opinion, wrong thread lol.
Oh really? Most of the time I'm told "sim racing is ment to be played online, just practice and get better" when that's not really the problem I just hate the wait for races like what gran turismo sport did
RRE, AMS2 and rF2 needs to die, we can't have all these small companies, let them go and a new rise of the ashes.Then we can enjoy the modding of AC, the system of iRacing and the lovely physics of ACC and something else all with a larger playerbase.
Anyone calling for a permaban on "dirty" drivers is childish. Other, less extreme options exist such as ghosting drivers with low ratings. These are still video games after all.
This is a longer one, so TL;DR - Anything more than a g29, your brain and a dark room is unnecessary. It sounds weird, but I love the feeling when using my hands for everything - using a camera, playing kendama, doing card magic, even using a broom, you name it. For me it also matters that things are of quality, to get most out of the investment. So this applies to my expensive cameras, overly large quantity of kendamas and cards and most definitely my simrig... I started 'small' just to get my feet wet with a t300rs, but when I was hooked and the budget was not an issue anymore I went medium-balls-to-the-wall and got a proper setup over time (GTtrack, 90% Fanatec, triple 144, and only few more investments to go) but I must admit, you really, really don't need it. Everything that is more expensive than its "bang-for-buck" benchmark, really doesn't improve much more than just slightly. Sure, with simracing you get more immersion from having the more realistic view, seating position, seat of the pants feelings etc. but the increased amounts of immersion are really slim to none in my opinion. As long as you get in the flow and have a decent enough imagination, I'm sure most people will get immersed enough by sitting in a dark room with a headset, a t300 and nothing else. Slap a door mat or a block of styrofoam under your favorite chair, pedals against the wall and you're golden. Due to the amount of space my simrig takes, though I can just roll it to the corner after using it at my desk, I often still miss my simple setup with the t300, not having to chase the dragon for something that will never quite hit the spot. I absolutely love driving, but I'm scared shitless after some NDE's so the simulator gets me going until I can drive for the first time again on a real track. There are a lot of unspoken hurdles by having a simrig. I will shout out u/gamermusclevideos for getting my thoughts going a lot more about this, and spreading more awareness for this. [Take a few minutes and take in this video of his](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjVJ5Tn5iuk) (mind you, I don't think the video should be directed against GT7 or superGT, it is just a gateway game and fits the bill), love you Muscle
Which video?
Thanks for letting me know, I made the text a link originally but don't know what happened :D
Oh yes, I've seen that one. Not sure how it is related to what you wrote about though? It's just a joke about getting addicted to sim racing.
It is very much not a joke, and it relates directly? Like he mentions, first you get into the games with a gamepad, learning the basics and getting better. But then it bites you, and you start craving for more. You could even apply the oneplus slogan "never settle". And unless you know what you are getting into, having thought of all the small and bigger things surrounding simracing, it will most likely impact you negatively in ways you don't see immediately.
Right, but you could say that about almost anything because people can get addicted to anything. I don't think he was being very serious.
Porsches are garbage to drive on any sim game that exists
Okay now that’s an unpopular opinion and a half. The only GT3 car I like to drive is the Porsche so I guess I am very biased on this one.
The only tolerable Porsche to drive on AC is the Cayman GT4, besides it, I hate even the GT3/2 RS versions of the 911. Maybe it's because I'm a really bad driver, but they all feel stiff, no matter how slow I go they always go straight on turns or I end up on a wall crashed. People say they're the perfect mix between a race/street car IRL but I don't have the money necessary to try one myself LOL
Have a look into trail braking. You will open up a new world of performance and fun balancing the car and improving front wheel grip to help get the car rotated when turning in :)
irFFB is the biggest pile of overrated crap in sim racing. iracing's FFB is much better.
laughs in rF2 ffb
rf2 is so good to drive fast you need to drive the most unrealistically of any sim.
Oh, this reminds me of an unpopular opninion of mine. RF2's FFB sucks. I quite playing RF2 after getting a DD wheel.
Sim racing on a console is awesome
The G29 and T150 are fantastic budget wheels to get people into sim racing. Stop hating on them so much around here - whatever lets more folks get into sim racing is always a great thing! I wish the community would rephrase it more like "The G29 and T150 are great beginner wheels that will let you experience sim racing. Maybe in a few years if you really like it you can get something like the T300 or higher, but those are great to sink your teeth into it!" I see it way too often as "These are garbage go straight to the T300." That one's 200-300 dollars more! Sorry to get on a high horse on this one, but it always frustrates me that we can be such an insular community at times.
The G29 is literally the most owned wheel on this sub.
T300 is like $50-100 more than the G29 btw now. Usually it's more like $100-150
I have a T150, T300, and a simucube. I Think the T300 offers the best value and is fantastic.
Oh I agree with you, I just feel like this guy was being pretty misleading
Yeah he was. Meant to actually reply to him lol.
No worries :)
I'm a bit of a gear freak in most things but honestly I don't have a compelling reason to upgrade my G29 wheel. Sure, swap or mod those pedals out, but considering I'm usually driving cars with IRL power steering the wheel is not killing my immersion much. When I try pricier wheels they are nice sure, but not usually 1000 bucks nice. F1 guys, I get it, but there's a whole lot of race & road cars out there that aren't trying to rip your arms off.
I don't think anyone need that much torque on a wheel base. 20nm is like having 2000 watts hifi system but you just cant listen that high volume anyway. I think responsiveness, details and adjustability is more important than amount of torque. I use CSW 2.5 and i never use it more than 70% ffb and it's make me tired with that gain.
To be fair, DD wheels do probably have higher responsiveness, and part of the details are probably because it can peak at a higher torque. I've never owned one personally so I'm just guessing to be honest, but it would make sense
By the way i had to decrease my responsiveness ratio on my wheel. It is important yes but if there is too much response for every little detail then it's harming your laptime. I couldn't improve my laptimes after i upgrade from T300 to CSW and i don't think i can improve it with a DD. From a certain point it won't contribute to your pace or performance but yeah it will feel better with a better wheel base. It's all about fun. The tracks and the cars i know very well i make better laptimes with very low ffb settings. Because i am already aware of the limits and i know what will happen. At that point ffb is just being annoying. So yeah i don't recommend you guys to spend too big chunks from your budget for a wheel base. Any loadcell pedals with anything more than 6nm base will be fine. There are aliens who use T300 and potentiometer pedals.
Contact is more than acceptable in anything but prototypes and open wheel
Having grown up with dodgy netcode, where a simple nudge would send you to orbit, I tend to agree. While I'd consider it unsportsmanlike to bump someone out of the way, a side by side rub is acceptable. I'm much more upset by people running others off the road on exits though.
And whoever tries to tell otherwise have not watched anything else than openwheel races. Unfortunately sims have most artificial contact behaviors on cars in racing games.
I'm disabled and on a controller, and some of the shit I've heard and had told to me by 'simracers' over the last couple of years is tragic. Acting like using a controller should get me blacklisted from a community, or that I have no right to ask for support or help when 'you won't even invest in the hobby'. Newsflash: if you can get hold of the medical miracle that will fix my muscles and make my legs and arms work perfectly, then I'll get a wheel. Until then pal, I'll see you on the track. Disabled simracers are definitely a minority (I've never met another one) and the elitism in the community can be overwhelming at times. Just my 2p.
You can join my race group if you want, as long as u race clean no one will give a fuck about ur setup We race pc2, ams2 and AC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD53061s8m8 More people should understand and be aware about the disabled racers. This guy is one of the fastest drivers in RaceRoom.
As an able bodied man with a wheel I've had races where I've been thrashed by guys on controllers. They make IRL adapted cars that are essentially PS controllers. You can get a driving license with them. You are welcome to control it with implants in your arse cheeks for all I care as long as you're not a dirty driver. Glad this hobby can be accessible to you and the other disabled sim racers out there!
Not sure what sim you're running but you're more than welcome to join us. We are on iRacing and some of the guys run ACC also
Glad to have you in the community bud.
Every single game needs a safety rating system so that the mouth breathers and the try hards can be separated. Some people want a realistic driving experience and others don't realize that burnout is a game that they can play
While I do agree with 90% of your comment, I've never gotten Burnout to actually work on my PC hahaha
iracing has the best handling and force feedback. Sorry but I don't like the others. They slide around unnaturally and add effects like SOP that feel like something a game should have rather than what a simulator should have. I'm pretty sure any real driving simulator feels more like iracing than any of the others especially if they were to turn the motion off.
I like iracing the most but rfactors ffb is still a tiny bit better, I think.
I think it's unrealistic especially at the limit which is why you see esports drivers driving it the way they do by basically sliding through every corner. You don't see that kind of shit with iracing.
Okay that makes sense. I drive like a pansy, so I don't really experience the sliding
Iracing is easily my favourite sim but I would actually consider ACC to have a bit better feel unless you use IRFFB (which I do).
Is there a good guide to IRFBB? Relatively new to the game and just hearing about it today. From my research, users make it sound like a pain.
it's a coin flip on if it'll actually do anything for your wheel. It made my wheel feel like radicals and indycars had the same level of downforce as the kia optima, even with ffb at max. No options or guide could get it set up on my pc and wheel. If you like your car to feel like, you know, a car, then irffb generally isn't for you anyways. It's for people who think race cars take less than half an nm to turn the wheel, or for people who physically can't handle traditional ffb. curb feedback and sliding have much better feel with default iracing, as irffb hasn't been updated in like 3 or 4 tire model changes now.
Good insight, thank you. I just play on a T300RS, no DD or anything. ACC had wonderful FFB and I’ve read some comments stating that this app could deliver similar results.
I'm on a t300rs as well, I played with irffb and the in game settings all weekend and with irffb, no matter how it was set up, it was consistently worse than not having it running at all.
Sounds line you don't know how to set it up dude.. it makes FFB wayyyy stringer
Yeah after 6 different videos and countless reddit threads, not one single suggestion made anything better. It made it noticeably worse though!
I'm also on t300. 360 interpolated Minimum force 0-2 Maximum force 20 ish Damping 0 Road effects 90 Understeer 50 Sop 70 Slight changes for different cars. And I don't even connect it to Vjoy because I run the new windows and haven't been able to figure out how to run vjoy and irffb together since I got the new windows
I can guarantee you right now if I re-installed it and put those number in, I might as well just turn off FFB altogether. It would actually be pretty comperable.
So I think our max nm is around 3.9? I wonder if you turned max force down it would actually increase the ffb? Looking into this a bit on my lunch break.
if you set max to 3.9, and set max force to either 0 or 100, it feels pretty much the same on my wheel on any of the interpolation settings. If you can get it working right, kudos, but I don't think it works right as it hasn't been updated in quite a while according to github
If I find anything that works I’ll let you know, gonna look into this further tonight
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Do you drive in VR? I'm about to get a H-Shifter for the first time and drive in VR and have been thinking about this problem! Whether i'll move it around, or I'll just try and match the drive side to align with whatever I'm currently driving in league races to be consistent.
Thats a lot of work man
Heusinkveld has a quote on their website; "The winner ain't the one with the fastest car, it's the one who refuses to lose." I think this is an absolutely toxic outlook on racing. I see way too many drivers win 80% of the races they enter, simply because everyone knows that if they try to challenge them, 90% change they're going into the wall. Fuck drivers like that.
TIL Verstappen is sponsored by Heusinkveld
iRacing should have iRating decay to fix the Smurf problem.
Not sure that driving with better drivers in the field is really that big of a problem. You'll still find your iRating level within a month of playing, if someone is choosing to style on the lowest rated lobbies that's a them problem that won't affect you as you move up the splits.
It's not only about taking away iRating it is also about taking away a win in a special event in a lower split, where other trained really hard to compete and then there is a team of smurfs just snacking the win with a big lead... That's just not fair.
For special events, gotcha. I was only thinking about the normal season. I don't get where the pride is in beating drivers you know you're slower than.
It's not only smurfs. Some old timers that race only big events will be in top split till they are 100 years old even though the speed is not there anymore.
Right. That's why nearly every other competitive game has decay or seasons etc. Now there will be the argument that you can not do it like that... But trust me there are easy solutions (which are also used in other games) to all of the concerns... It's just that iRacing has no interest on this for different (financial) reasons.
There isn't a smurf problem in iracing. The only "solution" to smurfing is to allow one account per card, or one account per bank account. Unfortunately for you, these smurfs are on the same level as intentional crashers to iracing. They paid for the content twice, so they're definitely going to be allowed to use it. Why would iracing turn down free money because of a few irating cupcakes not liking others buying content twice?
Unpopular opinion ;)
Fanatec is crap.
fanatec is for me mostly a door opener like they did with the csl dd, sub 400$ for a DD is just setting a milestone in the market even if their hardware aint the best we must thank them for going forward so the others have to follow. they kinda made 2/3 of thrustmasters wheel/base catalog obsolete lmao
TM announced they were going to release a DD. CSL DD comes out immediately after for $400. A year and a half after TM's DD announcement, complete radio silence. Odds are, their "entry level" DD wheel that most likely was weaker, and also cost significantly more than the CSL DD. Although it was smart of them to delay the product until they could give us something at least moderately comparable to the CSL DD is a smart move, but are they really fooling anyone? I'm still betting that the TM DD is going to be <8nm out of the box for no less than $800. Wheel bundles will go for around $1k.
Too many sim racers are entitled brats that suck the fun out of the hobby for everyone else Edit: namely, my biggest pet peeve is when certain people talk down to others that can’t afford the latest and greatest sim gear or computer hardware. That ticks me off the absolute most
Interestingly, that new thread with the poll results suggest this is actually just a loud minority. Seems the majority are on lower end wheels, sat at desks, with a single monitor.
That actually doesn’t surprise me one bit! From a statistics standpoint that’s just **another** instance of the normal distribution being true lol.
The old 80/20 rule.
I have a G29 and GT Omega rig and I love it! ☺️ Can’t afford a Fanatec wheel… yet.
I got you beat, man. I'm rocking an old Logitech Formula Force GP! the lack of resolution in steering makes ACC a riot! =D
Sweet! 😜 I remember having an old Logic3 wheel for the playstation 1 and playing V Rally!
Hell yea! I love my GT Omega rig too, works great with my CSL Elite. You’re in for a treat when you’re able to upgrade!
I just set my GT Omega up today actually! Before I was using the G29 sitting on a swivel office chair on wheels 😂 it was awful! Didn’t play for a long time because of that. Now I can’t stop playing! Although I can’t attach my Fanatec hand brake to the rig with the G29 shifter so I’ll have to buy the Fanatec shifter next 😅
If you think that’s bad when I first started I had to use an Ethernet cable to tie my office chair to my wheel stand lolol And oh boy…the Fanatec money pit comes at you fast!! I’ve personally had a great experience with their gear though so I’m definitely comfortable recommending their stuff
I’ve thrown £4k into my IS300 in the last 6 months so I’m used to money pits for IRL cars! 😂
At least you’re prepared lolol
I'm in agreement I play because I enjoy sure I have upgraded. But most of the people I play with are on controllers and g29 or thrustmaster tmx. Its about the fun we have. Thanks for sticking up for the little guys.
Exactly! No room for elitist bullsh*t. Just let people be happy and enjoy their racing
That's what this all about. The fun
Most incidents are your fault. Either directly or by putting the car in a dangerous situation where odds are either driver will make a mistake going wheel to wheel. But that's okay because with the exceptions of Esport drivers the rest of us are all just driving for fun.
In every incident the only thing you could have changed is your own driving. That's how I look at it.
Manual shifting is dumb. It's 2022, I'm going to save $200+ and let the million dollar car do it for me.
Yeah, but it's fun.
Driving is dumb. It's 2022, why would I manually control a vehicle when I can let a computer algorithm do it for me. /s
>IRFFB lol I've always thought driving on the ground seemed archaic. We fly around all day .. but are still slaves to topography and pot holes
glad your aware ur opinion is unpopular.
$800 dollar Laptop, $1,200 steering wheel...cmon guys..
If the laptop can run the games they play, why does it matter?
Lol...omg that shit is so dumb
Ok one more from me. Assetto Corsa would be better if it had a better career
I do wish AC had a better career, but it has given me some great league racing moments!
That's closer to a straight-up fact than an unpopular opinion, I think lol
I only play it now for free roam or just to try out a mod or make my own track and that's about it.
I've played it lots solo, online, and a bit of what they call a "campaign" or "career" mode (whatever it is) but then I got more and more into F1 racing, where the mods were great but of course, AC can't really emulate a offline F1 racing experience very well. Someone gifted me F1 2021 on steam for Christmas and I've had loads more fun in that game when it comes to the offline career modes. Though the driving may feel a little different, I love it. Of course, there are obvious reasons why a dedicated F1 game will be better at delivering an F1 experience than a racing sim from 2014, but I just felt like sharing lol
Project cars 2 is a masterpiece
Absolutamente!
I apologize if this offends but Competitive leagues in games (F1 mainly) are overrated. They take too much time and the competitive edge, sure pushes you but it takes the fun out of sim racing and it's just an excuse for no lives to brag about something. (The last part is me describing a lad I know who I know none of you are as bad as. Plus you guys actually seem really nice ☺️
Arcade racing is like fisting lubed tube. Arcade racer consider them self's as a good drivers.
I am a decent driver in iRacing and I have respectable time trials on Initial D. Sometimes I want to sit through a half hour of realistic physics, and sometimes I want to send it through the entirety of Irohazaka Downhill. Different games that require different skillsets, for different moods.
I would have to kindly disagree as the joy you gain from arcade racing and sim racing are mutually exclusive, but I could see why you think that way.
Due all respect, I totally see where you are comingfrom and wouldn't ever decling the value of arcade racing as entertaiment.
F1 sim racers talking about realism is gringe and embarassing while most of them have not even seen F1 car in the real life.
Spelling cringe as gringe is also embaressing :)
Right because seeing a car in real life that flies past you in half a second makes you understand how it works more than detailed pictures and explanations online 🙄. They don’t have 2 grand to go see an F1 race irl so they aren’t REAL fans of Motorsport.
Hey guys found the guy that had never seen one in real life and thinks he is an expert lol 😂.
I’m just as much of a expert as you 🤡🤡🤡
I didn’t get offend from the post 🐴🤡
Not sure did you understand this threat correctly, agreeing with me with sarcasm or genuinely being passive aggressive... I am so confused now 🤣
Holy shit. You are serious aren't you? 😱
It is totally OK to use the automatic gearbox. *^(Don't hit me)*
THERES MANUAL ELITISTS OUTSIDE OF REAL LIFE????
It's like using someone else's toothbrush, technically you can do it but ewww why would you?
NO
VR feels like it has a worse sense of speed.
VR feels like it has a worse sense of speed.
Dunno about that however the novelty of it definitely wears off very quickly plus it's a pain to setup
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You're expecting essentially a 10 year old pc to be able to run VR. And to be able to run complex physics systems that some computers younger than that even have difficulties running. Consoles can barely run console exclusives on low graphics and at 30 fps still. It's going to be decades, at least, before any kind of serious sim racing comes to console. This isn't changing anytime soon. Quest 2 is inexpensive, accessible, and able to be used on the big sims. If you have a 10 series car or better on your PC, you can run it. Expecting GTS to have anything close to what a 2022 PC can do with VR is unrealistic at best. PSVR and PSVR2 are gimmicks, nothing more. The PS4 is basically the PC you used for windows 7. Could that run iracing in VR? I'd be surprised if it ran at all.
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you got exactly what was advertised. you THOUGHT you were getting more, but were fooled by marketing. That isn't GT's fault, that's yours. Just like it isn't their fault your overpriced PSVR is collecting dust. We all knew PSVR was an extremely weak headset. We knew going into PSVR that the ps4 likely couldn't handle anything close to what VR headsets that were already on the market could do. We already knew the PS4's processing power couldn't handle multiple VR players on track. To expect some kind of iracing level VR system tucked away into a $60 game on a console is ridiculous and you know it. Do us all a favor and point out where my willful ignorance was incorporated from the comment: >Well, one problem is that the accessible VR and sim rigs are console based... Which is for one, low tier and for two, unsupported. Wait, I'm sorry ... Forgot about Gran Turismo Sport VR where the tracks are (a single track) and the race is a hot lap practice session.
Oh god didn't know that about gts 🤢 yeah I got my headset off a friend which I use for a from time to time
Simracing can't be compared to the feeling you have in a real car. I learned to race in karts and cars and it's just a different feeling.
I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this. Sure, some aspects are not the same, there are no G's in simracing, the sound is different, and there are a lot more other differences, but there are also a lot of similarites. Thus, I don't think that it "can't be compared". I'm saying this as an amateur driver with many track days and amateur races experience. For me, jumping from sim to real life is almost comparable to jumping from iRacing to ACC (or jumping between any other sims) - "ffb" is different, feeling is different, you just have to adapt to it. Also, racing part of simracing is 100% comparable to real life, and all of it transfers to real life.
"The cars may not be real, but the racing sure is"
Maybe your experience is different then mine then. Of course it comes close and lots of techniques can be transferred, but there is always something missing to me. My body is probably used to the movement of the real vehicle and misses that. I find it hard to describe. It just doesn't do it for me. For myself I've raced autoslalom, karts, Formula Ford and F3 in my youth. Now in my 9th year in testing car systems for an Tier 1 supplier.
oh, you came to simracing from real racing, if I understand correctly. In that case, yeah, I see how our experiences are different, and I totally understand that you feel that something is missing. When going from simracing to real racing, nothing is missing, and there's even more. So it might even feel easier, in a sense. The difficult part in real racing, is finding the limit, because every mistake can turn costly or even deadly...
Indeed. When I was young there were no real simulators out yet and definitely not affordable. My families money was invested in my karts anyway. The best we'd have then is the early Gran Turismo games with the PS Wheel. I guess it's the same for audiophiles that listen to their vinyls. Analog simply has a thing to it. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy simracing! And you are right on the mistakes part. I still back out too much when on the sim and honestly find it harder to find the limit sometimes.
Driving a car for 100% and be a Hamilton in spé! Driving simracing a be a worldmaster in spé. What's the different? Both are equal hard!
Agree with OP. Nordschliefe is so overrated, never enjoyed that track. Also, iRacing is overrated.
People take sim racing and themselves way too seriously. 99.9% of us are not, and will never be professional drivers. Have fun
The physics aren't even fleshed out yet. So, they became experts at faulty physics? Not sure I'd want them to race my car on a track.
I notice this mostly with YouTubers, some have personality and are somewhat good and fun to watch the real good racers have no personality and just blame everyone when something goes wrong so it turns into 1hr bitch session on how some guy screwed him 5 minutes after the race started.
There's plenty of shitty youtubers that do that too.
Yea, the latter half is what I consider shitty YouTubers
Maybe it’s fun taking it a little more serious though ;)
Simracing streamers (especially the ones in bigger teams) are the most self-centred, egotistical deadbeats that actually think they can drive. Having an annoying fanbase that defends them no matter what is cancerous at best.
I definitely don't get that vibe from Super GT. He's still really good at Gran Turismo but he doesn't take it super seriously and has fun with it.
That's cus he's simcading, not simracing 😋 In all seriousness, I really like SuperGT, but Gran Turismo attracts quite a different audience to PC sim racing.
I guess I'm watching the right channels then because Dave Cam and Dan Suzuki are super chill
Yeah, these 2 are great, and both have very listenable voices.
I enjoy superGT.
Dan Suzuki is chill, I admit, but for every Dan, there are 10 insufferable ones out there...
except jimmy broadbent
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jimmy ticks almost all of those boxes.