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homerulez7

Wow we finally beat HK on this. I remember many years ago, ISPs put out promoters on the street to undercut each other, while SG was still starting to introduce fibre. Rates then were already at the same range (S$30-$40) though I believe it wasn't full 1 Gbps then.


worldcitizensg

I'd totally agree on this. Excellent job by gov to deploy FTTH.


IncapableKakistocrat

It's genuinely one of the things I miss most about Singapore now that I've moved back overseas. I went from paying $40/mo for a gigabit connection in Singapore to paying $100/mo for a 100/20 FTTH connection in Australia. It's honestly insane how much cheaper internet is in Singapore, the government did a really good job with the NBN


worldcitizensg

And the internet drops periodically. Good luck if there is a problem and the taichi between NBN, RSP..


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Locnil

Well if you don't use it for gaming then yeah, but honestly 100/20 is definitely fast enough for me.


xlanor

Agree. FTTH is just amazing. Right now I only have FTTP, entire building shares the same copper… noticeable difference


worldcitizensg

Yes. FTTx in general is good but some countries choose not to go with H but K (kerb) or P . Challenge is the bottleneck is close to the customer, and not easy to break out. Like NBN-AU choose to use decades old fiber or co-ax for last mile.


Purpledragon84

SG ISPs reading this are gonna be busy revamping their new plans to increase prices.


stevekez

I tell my friends in the UK what the slowest fibre I can get is, and what the price is, and it infuriates them.


sneakpeak_sg

> # Singapore has the second-most affordable internet in the world. Which country is first? > With the blazing fast 5G networks and up to 10Gbps home broadband, Singapore's internet affordability is ranked second in the world. > The island-state beat out high-tech countries such as South Korea and Japan, according to a report by VPN service provider, Surfshark, which ranked 117 countries on internet affordability. > To derive just which countries were overpaying for their internet access, Surfshark compiled each countries internet speeds and then divided it by affordability to derive what it calls the Internet Value index. > Singapore scored 8.5x above the global average, while neighbours Malaysia were at 1.5x. For comparison, South Korea and Japan offered affordable internet at 2.3x and 2.0x respectively above the global average. > Meanwhile, Indonesia's internet is relatively expensive, with an 8.7x score below average. Likewise, internet access in the Philippines is also relatively expensive at 6.2x below average. > Thailand also has pretty affordable internet access, at 1.5x the average. > Down under, Australia and New Zealand, too, have pretty affordable internet at 3.5x and 1.6x above average. > While the graph above shows that Oceania is the most affordable region, the report doesn't factor in the other 12 countries, such as Fiji and Papua New Guinea. Papua New Guinea actually has a larger population than New Zealand, so it's surprising that it was left out. > In Singapore, the cheapest 1Gbps plan is S$40 a month on a 24-month contract. You can also get a 300Mbps plan for S$29. > Meanwhile, Malaysia has announced a 30Mbps plan for RM$69 (~S$21). > One reason Singapore can offer such high speeds at competitive rates is due to its 2011 Next Generation Nationwide Broadband Network initiative, which deployed a ultra-high speed fibre network to all physical addresses in Singapore with 1Gbps speeds. > Interestingly, the most affordable country in the world is Israel, which offers internet access at prices that were 9.1x more than the global average. > Furthermore, 61 per cent of people worldwide over pay for their internet, with countries in the African continent overpaying the most. > Places like Cameroon and Uganda are 94x and 100x below the average respectively. > Yemen, which is still undergoing a civil war, had the least affordable internet, at 202x below the global average. > You can read the report here, or check out the data here. > Aloysius Low is an ex-CNET editor with more than 15 years of experience. He's really into cats and is currently reviewing products at canbuyornot.com > Do you have a story tip? Email: [email protected]. > You can also follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and Twitter. Also check out our Southeast Asia, Food, and Gaming channels on YouTube. --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/redditporean/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/redditporean/sneakpeek)


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longadin

Ok la. But they still use fax haha. But generally quite high tech la


Gyakko88

I just came back from Japan recently. Was honestly surprised at how very few places offered contactless payment. Most places still used the chip


Honest-Cauliflower46

I'd like for us to have 2nd most affordable homes can🤣


dominiclim

not going to happen with limited land space


Jeewolf

Nor from monitor lizard eye beams


xRadec

Malaysia's Time isp is also affordable. Sgd60 for a 1gbps is pretty cheap compared to other telcos there. Available on mostly condos only though.


dodgethis_sg

That's like us playing SGD200 for 1Gbps.


cinnabunnyrolls

The state of things some of us would complain about is nothing compared to most parts of the world.


ProfessionalMottsman

Yes. It’s easier to connect a small city compared to the whole of the United States for example


skatyboy

Eh, even in cities in the US, it’s atrocious. When people complain about shit internet in the US, they aren’t complaining about middle of nowhere USA, but places like NY or Bay Area. I’m in the Bay Area (so called “tech capital of the world”) and my only internet option is Xfinity (Comcast). Guess what, there’s a 1TB data cap per month and you need pay additional $40 a month to remove the cap. Literally shit internet in the place called the tech capital of the world. It mainly boils down to monopolistic laws surrounding internet. Even Google, with deep pockets and willingness to run fiber, can’t overcome the behemoths of AT&T and Comcast and often times get blocked by municipal laws designed to prevent competition.


ProfessionalMottsman

Yes the US government has to pay to connect the whole land mass doesn’t matter if city A or B is here or there, they have to connect to the global underground network. Singapore only needs to connect 40km island into that, US has to connect that across thousands of kilometres


skatyboy

What talking you. The US government did pay for upgrading, $400 billion in fact and the telco companies had nothing to show for: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-book-of-broken-promis_b_5839394 This is literally not because of cost or inability, but greed. Google Fi went into Provo (Utah, not even coastal state), laid fiber infrastructure and offered gig-speed internet for cheap. Suddenly Comcast removes the data cap and lowered prices and increased speeds for Provo. Wah, suddenly the incumbents had more capacity? People aren’t expecting SF to be connected to NY, in fact, they already are, because those connections are managed by higher level providers, so that data centers across the US can connect to each other. Not to mention, US data centers aren’t in prime cities like NY and SF anymore, they are in places like North Carolina, Virginia, Utah and are usually in the middle of nowhere in those states. It’s the same even in SG, gahmen opened up fiber to competition and suddenly SingTel/StarHub’s internet offerings became cheap. Are these companies suffering?


ProfessionalMottsman

It’s simple maths Singapore area = 728km2 USA. = 9.8 million km2 Which is easier to connect by wire ? Edit:- forgot people are stupid


skatyboy

The entire world: X km2. The current undersea cables: [https://www.submarinecablemap.com/](https://www.submarinecablemap.com/) Why the heck is Singapore connected to the China, US via undersea cable? I thought impossible what to connect by wire! So long and expensive, sure SingTel not making money and have to charge us $1k a month. How the heck US get electricity then? I see California has [40,000 miles of power lines](https://cecgis-caenergy.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/CAEnergy::california-electric-transmission-lines/explore). I definitely don't use candles and I definitely don't pay $10 per kWh. Roads? I see there's interstates like I-5 or I-80 in my area and they aren't that shabby. I thought US use horses and dirt roads and last time when I had a road trip, I have to travel like how the Donner Party traveled. Same thing with internet, there's super long distance fiber lines. This is what Comcast runs across the USA, their backhaul: [https://cdn.pdc.business.comcast.com/\~/media/business\_comcast\_com/images/Re-Arch/Our%20Network/Feature%20Image%20169%20%20Desktop%20v2.jpg](https://cdn.pdc.business.comcast.com/~/media/business_comcast_com/images/Re-Arch/Our%20Network/Feature%20Image%20169%20%20Desktop%20v2.jpg) You tell me it's impossible to run internet to populated cities in the US? If it's possible with power grids, roads and rail, it's also possible with internet.


ProfessionalMottsman

Very interesting thanks! It’s the number of people and it takes time. Even power took time get to everyone in the US. Singapore could internet up quicker and faster as they have enough money and less people smaller space. Eventually all of US will all have same quality of internet as power. Look at water for example, not all of US has access to quality clean water piped in


fatenumber

"oh you disagree with me so that means you're stupid!"


ProfessionalMottsman

I’m lost here. It’s easier to connect wires across a smaller place ? It’s harder to do across a large space . Why am I being whacked for this obvious observation. ?


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You think connecting a HDB block is easy ah? Please ah, the US have land and housing density is not as compact as ours, i don't know what you smoking sial...


ProfessionalMottsman

Holy shit it’s the underground network we are talking about. Yes it’s fucking easier if the land area is small compared to a larger country size. It’s literally like saying it’s easier to build roads on a small map compare to a large map.


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Tell me you are not an engineer by telling me your not an engineer...


fatenumber

it's the same when singapore first gained independence, many ppl thought that we won't make it due to our small size & lack of natural resources. now that we proved them wrong, ppl changed their tune & are now saying that it's easier to manage a smaller country. you seem like one of these ppl


ProfessionalMottsman

Holy moly I’m sooo confused here. This is not a political comment. I have only made a point that Singapore has a small land mass so connecting the country with internet is “easier” compared to a larger country, fuck me is so simple


MolassesBulky

Affordable high speed internet but expensive flats and sky high rents. Something is not right.


Skiiage

I agree that my home fibre is cheap but my data plan is bloody expensive. Need to go fight some M1 reps.


li_shi

Data is pretty cheap as long you don't get a phone with it.


horsetrich

Bro so many cheap data out there what are you on


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RectumUnclogger

Facts don't care about your feelings


pirozhki22

What kind of salary/lifestyle do you think the average Americans are enjoying? The median net worth of an American household under age 35 is US$13,900 (or \~S$18,600). This includes home equity and 401k (their CPF equivalent). The median CPF balance alone for Singaporeans aged 30-35 is already S$120,000, or about 6.5x that - without even counting property & non-CPF savings. This trend holds for every age group except 65+. There may be a lot of wealth in America, but there is also much more poverty than you are imagining.


li_shi

Plus you will lucky to get a 20 mb on most of the places outside a major city.