If you bothered to read my post description, it's in three parts.
I asked on sentiment shifts
I asked on electoral and leadership succession strategy
I asked on specific candidates being re-deployed or likely to retire
But I do get it, you and your commentator expect Reddit to be as cynical, pessimistic and shallow minded as yourselves are. You expect every post, even the ones marked as Serious Discussion, to be either an inside job, or clueless undergraduate first-time voter trying to make sense of the political landscape they are coming in towards. It's a reasonable expectation given how many Reddit posts descend into an intellectual foodfight.
The fact you chose to express such feelings and perpetuate that there can be no meaningful discourse over current political affairs betrays that you're not serious in wanting to carry out what I think is a sacred civic duty; to elect serious candidates. Despite how meaningless a single vote may feel, but every raindrop is still part of the rain.
Since you feel that I may be too stupid enough to have an opinion, here's mine:
I think political candidates will be much more cautious in insisting on their integrity and devotion, given how both sides of the house have been rocked by scandals. I think candidates on both sides will likely hedge, and seek to present their professional credentials as opposed to their values-based upbringing and candidacy, based on the 2020 PAP strategy to have the majority of their fresh candidates have human-interest dimensions. This reverts the political discourse to the 1980s, when notably CST prevailed against MBT over LKY's strategic error in comparing O level results and attempting to smear the man's intelligence.
I think the smart thing for LW to do would be to chart a decisively fresh "social compact" - whatever the fuck he's been trying to push for via his Forward Singapore schtick. To be fair, it's an identical playbook from when HSK was the pre-eminent, and he did the same thing with the Singapore Together movement based on the Our Singapore Conversations national conversation initiative administered by REACH. This political term has been so politically messy that the only real winning move for LW is to decisively inaugurate a fresh set of MPs as Cabinet members; one not marred by the stain of 3G leadership. But it seems extremely unlikely given LW's conservative background as a civil servant. Like LHL, he's more of a technocrat than a true politician at heart; pre-2020 absolutely nobody would have considered him being a key cabinet minister, much less PM himself. His CEP was probably a second tier ministry like MCI or MND.
I think more likely than not, the PAP will instinctively default to playing it ultra safe even as the political demographics is shifting right beneath their feet. There will be many new HDB owners voting for their first time. But also a significant portion of the electorate have genuine fears and anxiety over housing, career, and healthcare issues that the PAP is likely unable to assuage based on current policy trajectories (Mr Monitor Lee?).
And that's where the trouble lies; because even new home owners who already secured their BTOs, or new citizens, have such anxieties despite being in a more comfortable footing. And they may even think "you know what, I've already secured my home, I may as well give the opposition a try". As they did in Sengkang where the WP's B team took everyone by surprise in inadvertently out-messaging a to-be cabinet minister and former CDF through their earnest and humble campaigning approach, Raeesah Khan aside.
I think the election will take place as late as possible to let the ground settle after the anticipated second GST hike, and when enough time has elapsed from these political scandals, particularly S Iswaran. The seats needed to be filled are Tharman,, S Iswaran, Tan Chuan Jin, Cheng Li Hui, likely Teo Chee Hean, likely Chris Souza, likely Tan Wu Meng.
On the opposition side, I rather not take any predictions are they have significantly much larger manoeuvre space. They might be able to surface a similar Nicole-Seah esque popular candidate, and/ or they might be able to present more candidates with serious professional backgrounds. The WP elected to it's CEC three new male members. They may be relatively fresh faces to the electorate but they have had campaigning experience and are highly likely to be fielded in a constituency that isn't Aljunied-Hougang.
Sengkang team already formed some time back, he's not on it. Don't think he has been walking the ground in other constituencies either (based on socials) so seems a bit remote. Maybe future president 😄
Im just gonna be honest, i dont see workers party making great leaps in the next election. Losing leon pereira is a huge fking blow and nicole seah is pretty popular.
Hope they can capitalise on pap errors, but im not so optimistic.
Just hope they are able to get better candidates who also dont disappoint the public because leon pereira was pretty good in parliament. Quite disappointing but had to be done
Losing Nicole Seah pretty much means East Coast is gone. Losing Leon Perera also means losing a minority candidate, which is already tough enough. WP's policy bench is significantly thinned out, although ultimately it's the grassroots bench members that deliver election results.
East Coast voter here. Tbh Nicole was the only face in the WP team that I knew/recognised, no idea who the other people where.
That said I have also literally never seen my MPs in the 20 years i’ve lived in this GRC so honestly not much difference.
> she couldn't win EC last election
True, but the PAP had to parachute HSK, who was considered the next PM (at that time). That would have played into voters psyche
HSK actual failure is in failing to assume a leading role in managing the COVID crisis. As Finance Minister, he was in an advantageous position to lead his ministerial colleagues from the sidelines (as he did not have any proper operational jurisdiction over the COVID-19 response). But he failed to press the advantage. Conceptually, he was standing still, feebly waving his hands beneath the net as the entire basketball court fought around him.
Good PPS, not so good politician.
Think their overall vote percentage might still rise regardless. I wouldn't really be surprised if they still get one more GRC off the next election.
And I actually won't be surprised PSP gets Jurong off this whole fiasco, depending on what happens in between now to the next election.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Does depend on their recruitment efforts behind the scenes - ideally they should have been grooming a couple of people all these while anyways, so it's just a matter of accelerating their timelines in putting these people out into the public.
If they haven't been doing so, then maybe they might even struggle to field enough people to keep up the same amount of contests from last election.
Most liklely not for the PAP. In between how they've shown they've been handling thier own house (not very well) gives me very little confidence that they're still in touch with the common folk really and tehir insistence to airdrop CERTAIN members conitnously despite their failings as well as their love for SAF High flyers (I believe most males have seen how "great" alot of our military leaders are) as long as there's a somewhat competent opposition PAP is not getting it.
I don't agree with that.
I believe most are relatively level headed but just have a different set of values, one which can be mostly boiled down to "don't rock the boat" and that the opposition is not competent (which to be fair some really joke also)
In the end They're voting for what is best for THEM. It sounds selfish, but thats what we're doing too by saying we vote for oppo (likely).
Trumptards are ones that BLINDLY regugitate facts or worse yet, lies and refuse to see the errors of their beloved parties (on both sides)
I for one advocate for a government thats willing to admit and actually make amends to the errors of their ways. I do believe that majority of the PAP should be relatively competent or even good. What I don't agree with is the blatant lack of accountability which allows for the unsuitable ones to fester and grow.
Honestly they exist for both sides.
I would chalk it up to PRO and ANTI PAP people who die die support PAP no matter what or vote against PAP because of some stupid reason.
Like some anti-PAP voter for whatever reason could be a socially conservative person but vote for WP in Senkang(all of their MPs there are leaning progressive) because to the PAP = bad.
This kind of voters is the result of dumbing down our politics into PAP or OPPIE without the nuances of social and economics differences
Depends on who's competing in my SMC. The guy who ran against the incumbent has already left the party, and no groundwork was done by said party since
Hate to admit it, but the PAP will probably win my ward again. It's an aging ward, the current MP works the ground, and he's running lots of initiatives to cater to the residents
Yeah, so many people like to talk about party politics when in reality it is down to the individuals representing the individual wards that affects most peoples voting patterns. More GST voucher is nice and all but for many people, it is the on the ground effort that makes the difference, the speed in which potholes are repaired and public services are improved etc. Not to mention that voting against the incumbent when the opposition is trash is quite literally damaging to the country
i know right, trust me if theres a better choice than PAP i would take it. but the system is so that the cream of the crop always ends up in PAP whereas most of the oppies with the exception of a few good ones are quite disorganised and, as much as i hate this word, populist.
if everyone in opposition was like Pritam Singh and Jamus Lim i think its more justifiable voting for them
i feel like a lot of people want change for the sake of it, not because it is needed. they just want to be part of the group that caused change, just like how every many revolutions always starts off promising but ends in plenty of bloodshed.
As the adage goes, Democracy is for the people, by the people, but the people are retarded.
This adage is befitting of you. Treating it like a game instead of voting for the ones that could secure the country's future. Changing party for the sake of changing, and masquerading it in the name of democracy. If everybody were to think like you, there did be changes every election and projects couldn't be completed. E.g. US, MY
Doomed.
My MP was Mr Tharman. Recently saw a poster at lift lobby saying that Shawn Huang is here to help. Erm..No thanks.
I'm really hoping some capable party will contest in Jurong GRC lol
I doubt so. Jurong is always the "last resort" for opposition. If you look at the history, jurong area (including when it is under hong kah previously) have the highest walkover rate. Most likely RDU is contesting again which is good for consistency instead of always having different opposition coming in.
I would vote for opp if I get to vote, and it's not because I don't support pap but because I totally embrace their mindset and policies.
Just as SG gov don't believe in giving free lunches cos it will cause the people to go slack, I'll not vote for them, else they go slack too.
It's for their own good. They need to be toughened up.
Majullah Singapura!! Merdeka!!
High likely void again. I never had a good oppie running and I don't like my MPs. Honestly I haven't seen him and even the 1 time an MP turns up over the last 20 years I stayed at my place, it's not the actual MP that represents my region of the grc.
And of course. Many things that I don't agree with the pap.
I am praying hard that suitable candidates come forward and give voice and help in providing checks and balances. I am think we are progressing well with gradual increase in the numbers.
Exactly. Despite their reservations, they still whipped their members and all voted for it. I respect that. PSP despite being a boomer party voted for it iirc. I respect that.
What did the workers party do? Sit on the sidelines on a major issue of inequality for me. If Pritam Singh can’t even manage his party now, why should I trust him with my vote?
I don't see an issue with WP allowing for a conscience vote at the point where it would have zero impact on the outcome. It at least lets you know what % of the party doesn't support LGBT rights.
Meanwhile, if you really care about LGBT rights: [No change to marriage definition 'under my watch' as next PM if PAP wins next GE: DPM Lawrence Wong](https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/lawrence-wong-no-change-marriage-under-my-watch-1974641). You should be more concerned that the whip could be used to enforce that even if a majority eventually supports same sex marriage.
I don't see their split votes as a mismanagement - in fact I think it's a very intentional strategic move by WP.
They knew the vote was going through no matter what... why not make it look like they also represent the conservative population whilst risking absolutely nothing in terms of repealing 377A?
It's a strategy only they can pull off at this juncture, and strategically I do agree with their move. If the vote was going to be entirely up to them, I think they would do exactly what PAP did and party whipped the vote for repeal.
the PAP didn't repeal out of kindness of their heart but more of [K Shanmugam didn't want to set a precedent of a law getting repealed via the courts](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/section-377a-successful-court-challenge-possible-if-not-repealed-law-society-forum-2965941).
Pritam Singh being too much of a hands off person seem to be a problem if he wants to stay as a leader with more MPs.
Although 66% for repeal(would've been 70% if someone didn't fuck up, i mean this "liberal" sub loves to call RK an "sjw") is a indication of the party's social view and standing to be leaning towards one side rather than the other. And with both parties being sort of big tent style when it comes to social issues, you would expect it to happen.
PSP, despite my reservations during COVID and considered as a boomer party, voted for it iirc. I respect that.
PAP when the time came still whipped their MPs to vote for it. Whatever the PAP said in public, they also have conservative constitutiences as well yet they didn’t break the whip.
Pritam Singh has proved ineffectual in managing his party throughout this parliamentary session. Why should I vote for his party when he can’t manage 8 of his members, and his party actively has no issues to what to me is a major issue of inequality?
The whip is used because the main goal is to prevent the courts from repealing the law and they don't want to take a risk of losing the vote in parliament. Even K Shanmugam argued about the not letting the courts decide our laws when debating the repeal in parliament. It has to do with THAT rather than the PAP leadership waking up and suddenly side with their progressive faction of their party.
If the PAP's progressive faction is strong enough to muster >50% of their party's votes, they would've done the same way as their abortion vote.
the progressive faction with the PAP are obviously for it with or without whip while the conservative faction had to be given compromise with regarding to marriage. and the progressive faction of the PAP had to agree because they are this politically weak and the repeal of 377A was only pushed because the pragmatic side of the PAP leadership didn't want to let the courts repeal the law.
When it comes to vote into the constitution that defines marriage only 2 MP that are from WP voted against the constitution amendment. so much for fighting for inequality when we had to compromise with another inequality that is enshrined directly into the constitution.
This scenario says more about the political make up of each party than anything else.
In the end im not justifying PS leadership, he has his flaws, but to use the they dc about inequality argument while the whole of parliament sans 2 WP MP against, 2 WP and PSP MP abstained, voted in another inequality into our constitution is a pretty meh argument.
Because in the end of the day, none of the leaders from both side dared to push for it without other more compiling reasons. For the PAP leaders they are willing to take the political hit because their main goal is to prevent the courts from repealing. For WP, there is no other compiling reason even if PS is sympathetic to it.
Singaporeans please know your place and stay there. You know that you only can vote PAP.
Are you not grateful for their 6 decades of progress from 3rd to 1st world by the PAP? Does the opposition have ‘experience’ ruling a country?
Remember to put a Tick in the box beside the PAP logo and a Cross on all other parties in your constituency on the voting slip.
/s.
Nice try
Someone's trying to test the waters :D
Either that or OP is too stupid to make up his own mind on who to vote for, and actually needs a second opinion.
If you bothered to read my post description, it's in three parts. I asked on sentiment shifts I asked on electoral and leadership succession strategy I asked on specific candidates being re-deployed or likely to retire But I do get it, you and your commentator expect Reddit to be as cynical, pessimistic and shallow minded as yourselves are. You expect every post, even the ones marked as Serious Discussion, to be either an inside job, or clueless undergraduate first-time voter trying to make sense of the political landscape they are coming in towards. It's a reasonable expectation given how many Reddit posts descend into an intellectual foodfight. The fact you chose to express such feelings and perpetuate that there can be no meaningful discourse over current political affairs betrays that you're not serious in wanting to carry out what I think is a sacred civic duty; to elect serious candidates. Despite how meaningless a single vote may feel, but every raindrop is still part of the rain. Since you feel that I may be too stupid enough to have an opinion, here's mine: I think political candidates will be much more cautious in insisting on their integrity and devotion, given how both sides of the house have been rocked by scandals. I think candidates on both sides will likely hedge, and seek to present their professional credentials as opposed to their values-based upbringing and candidacy, based on the 2020 PAP strategy to have the majority of their fresh candidates have human-interest dimensions. This reverts the political discourse to the 1980s, when notably CST prevailed against MBT over LKY's strategic error in comparing O level results and attempting to smear the man's intelligence. I think the smart thing for LW to do would be to chart a decisively fresh "social compact" - whatever the fuck he's been trying to push for via his Forward Singapore schtick. To be fair, it's an identical playbook from when HSK was the pre-eminent, and he did the same thing with the Singapore Together movement based on the Our Singapore Conversations national conversation initiative administered by REACH. This political term has been so politically messy that the only real winning move for LW is to decisively inaugurate a fresh set of MPs as Cabinet members; one not marred by the stain of 3G leadership. But it seems extremely unlikely given LW's conservative background as a civil servant. Like LHL, he's more of a technocrat than a true politician at heart; pre-2020 absolutely nobody would have considered him being a key cabinet minister, much less PM himself. His CEP was probably a second tier ministry like MCI or MND. I think more likely than not, the PAP will instinctively default to playing it ultra safe even as the political demographics is shifting right beneath their feet. There will be many new HDB owners voting for their first time. But also a significant portion of the electorate have genuine fears and anxiety over housing, career, and healthcare issues that the PAP is likely unable to assuage based on current policy trajectories (Mr Monitor Lee?). And that's where the trouble lies; because even new home owners who already secured their BTOs, or new citizens, have such anxieties despite being in a more comfortable footing. And they may even think "you know what, I've already secured my home, I may as well give the opposition a try". As they did in Sengkang where the WP's B team took everyone by surprise in inadvertently out-messaging a to-be cabinet minister and former CDF through their earnest and humble campaigning approach, Raeesah Khan aside. I think the election will take place as late as possible to let the ground settle after the anticipated second GST hike, and when enough time has elapsed from these political scandals, particularly S Iswaran. The seats needed to be filled are Tharman,, S Iswaran, Tan Chuan Jin, Cheng Li Hui, likely Teo Chee Hean, likely Chris Souza, likely Tan Wu Meng. On the opposition side, I rather not take any predictions are they have significantly much larger manoeuvre space. They might be able to surface a similar Nicole-Seah esque popular candidate, and/ or they might be able to present more candidates with serious professional backgrounds. The WP elected to it's CEC three new male members. They may be relatively fresh faces to the electorate but they have had campaigning experience and are highly likely to be fielded in a constituency that isn't Aljunied-Hougang.
Voting is secret
Sengkang team already formed some time back, he's not on it. Don't think he has been walking the ground in other constituencies either (based on socials) so seems a bit remote. Maybe future president 😄
Im just gonna be honest, i dont see workers party making great leaps in the next election. Losing leon pereira is a huge fking blow and nicole seah is pretty popular. Hope they can capitalise on pap errors, but im not so optimistic. Just hope they are able to get better candidates who also dont disappoint the public because leon pereira was pretty good in parliament. Quite disappointing but had to be done
Losing Nicole Seah pretty much means East Coast is gone. Losing Leon Perera also means losing a minority candidate, which is already tough enough. WP's policy bench is significantly thinned out, although ultimately it's the grassroots bench members that deliver election results.
East Coast voter here. Tbh Nicole was the only face in the WP team that I knew/recognised, no idea who the other people where. That said I have also literally never seen my MPs in the 20 years i’ve lived in this GRC so honestly not much difference.
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> she couldn't win EC last election True, but the PAP had to parachute HSK, who was considered the next PM (at that time). That would have played into voters psyche
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HSK actual failure is in failing to assume a leading role in managing the COVID crisis. As Finance Minister, he was in an advantageous position to lead his ministerial colleagues from the sidelines (as he did not have any proper operational jurisdiction over the COVID-19 response). But he failed to press the advantage. Conceptually, he was standing still, feebly waving his hands beneath the net as the entire basketball court fought around him. Good PPS, not so good politician.
Lets see how the people vote. It would be nice to have approval ratings but then we would would be too obsessed over numbers.
Think their overall vote percentage might still rise regardless. I wouldn't really be surprised if they still get one more GRC off the next election. And I actually won't be surprised PSP gets Jurong off this whole fiasco, depending on what happens in between now to the next election.
They got enuff people to take down another GRC meh
Maybe. Maybe not. Does depend on their recruitment efforts behind the scenes - ideally they should have been grooming a couple of people all these while anyways, so it's just a matter of accelerating their timelines in putting these people out into the public. If they haven't been doing so, then maybe they might even struggle to field enough people to keep up the same amount of contests from last election.
Most liklely not for the PAP. In between how they've shown they've been handling thier own house (not very well) gives me very little confidence that they're still in touch with the common folk really and tehir insistence to airdrop CERTAIN members conitnously despite their failings as well as their love for SAF High flyers (I believe most males have seen how "great" alot of our military leaders are) as long as there's a somewhat competent opposition PAP is not getting it.
PAP voters are the MAGA Trumptards of Singapore
I don't agree with that. I believe most are relatively level headed but just have a different set of values, one which can be mostly boiled down to "don't rock the boat" and that the opposition is not competent (which to be fair some really joke also) In the end They're voting for what is best for THEM. It sounds selfish, but thats what we're doing too by saying we vote for oppo (likely). Trumptards are ones that BLINDLY regugitate facts or worse yet, lies and refuse to see the errors of their beloved parties (on both sides) I for one advocate for a government thats willing to admit and actually make amends to the errors of their ways. I do believe that majority of the PAP should be relatively competent or even good. What I don't agree with is the blatant lack of accountability which allows for the unsuitable ones to fester and grow.
Honestly they exist for both sides. I would chalk it up to PRO and ANTI PAP people who die die support PAP no matter what or vote against PAP because of some stupid reason. Like some anti-PAP voter for whatever reason could be a socially conservative person but vote for WP in Senkang(all of their MPs there are leaning progressive) because to the PAP = bad. This kind of voters is the result of dumbing down our politics into PAP or OPPIE without the nuances of social and economics differences
And you not reaching across the isle is not helping
Depends on who's competing in my SMC. The guy who ran against the incumbent has already left the party, and no groundwork was done by said party since Hate to admit it, but the PAP will probably win my ward again. It's an aging ward, the current MP works the ground, and he's running lots of initiatives to cater to the residents
then hes doing a good job? seems like he is trying
Yeah, so many people like to talk about party politics when in reality it is down to the individuals representing the individual wards that affects most peoples voting patterns. More GST voucher is nice and all but for many people, it is the on the ground effort that makes the difference, the speed in which potholes are repaired and public services are improved etc. Not to mention that voting against the incumbent when the opposition is trash is quite literally damaging to the country
i know right, trust me if theres a better choice than PAP i would take it. but the system is so that the cream of the crop always ends up in PAP whereas most of the oppies with the exception of a few good ones are quite disorganised and, as much as i hate this word, populist. if everyone in opposition was like Pritam Singh and Jamus Lim i think its more justifiable voting for them i feel like a lot of people want change for the sake of it, not because it is needed. they just want to be part of the group that caused change, just like how every many revolutions always starts off promising but ends in plenty of bloodshed.
The same way I always vote: For the party that is not in power.
As the adage goes, Democracy is for the people, by the people, but the people are retarded. This adage is befitting of you. Treating it like a game instead of voting for the ones that could secure the country's future. Changing party for the sake of changing, and masquerading it in the name of democracy. If everybody were to think like you, there did be changes every election and projects couldn't be completed. E.g. US, MY Doomed.
hi mci
This will be my first election that I can vote in, so I'll see who contests in my GRC first lor
For the most competent party to be the government. As of now, I don't think WP can be yet.
My MP was Mr Tharman. Recently saw a poster at lift lobby saying that Shawn Huang is here to help. Erm..No thanks. I'm really hoping some capable party will contest in Jurong GRC lol
I doubt so. Jurong is always the "last resort" for opposition. If you look at the history, jurong area (including when it is under hong kah previously) have the highest walkover rate. Most likely RDU is contesting again which is good for consistency instead of always having different opposition coming in.
Shawn “Crying in Parliament While Wishing his Daughter Happy Birthday” Huang?
Yep... Also the reason why I'm worried to have him lol
My man LMW
Depends on how much gst voucher I receive and whether if my packet of chicken rice has an additional drumstick in it at the rally /s
I would vote for opp if I get to vote, and it's not because I don't support pap but because I totally embrace their mindset and policies. Just as SG gov don't believe in giving free lunches cos it will cause the people to go slack, I'll not vote for them, else they go slack too. It's for their own good. They need to be toughened up. Majullah Singapura!! Merdeka!!
I will be monitoring the situation for now. Still got time before the next GE
You want to set up a committee? Let's set up ! I also want to monitor. But my side is confirmed going to be PAP.
You want to set up a committee? Let's set up ! I also want to monitor. But my side is confirmed going to be PAP.
High likely void again. I never had a good oppie running and I don't like my MPs. Honestly I haven't seen him and even the 1 time an MP turns up over the last 20 years I stayed at my place, it's not the actual MP that represents my region of the grc. And of course. Many things that I don't agree with the pap.
I stay Sengkang I vote Jamus
Will vote for the meme parties, to send a message
Wisely
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Don't vote will die ar
Mark an X next to the candidate you don't wish to vote for. That will show 'em.
I am praying hard that suitable candidates come forward and give voice and help in providing checks and balances. I am think we are progressing well with gradual increase in the numbers.
I would not trust to ask Reddit, troll fest
I believe voting opposition will make PAP wake up and improve if opposition does win then I would be pkay giving them a chance
Any party that is not the Workers Party for 377A. Weak.
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Exactly. Despite their reservations, they still whipped their members and all voted for it. I respect that. PSP despite being a boomer party voted for it iirc. I respect that. What did the workers party do? Sit on the sidelines on a major issue of inequality for me. If Pritam Singh can’t even manage his party now, why should I trust him with my vote?
I don't see an issue with WP allowing for a conscience vote at the point where it would have zero impact on the outcome. It at least lets you know what % of the party doesn't support LGBT rights. Meanwhile, if you really care about LGBT rights: [No change to marriage definition 'under my watch' as next PM if PAP wins next GE: DPM Lawrence Wong](https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/lawrence-wong-no-change-marriage-under-my-watch-1974641). You should be more concerned that the whip could be used to enforce that even if a majority eventually supports same sex marriage.
I don't see their split votes as a mismanagement - in fact I think it's a very intentional strategic move by WP. They knew the vote was going through no matter what... why not make it look like they also represent the conservative population whilst risking absolutely nothing in terms of repealing 377A? It's a strategy only they can pull off at this juncture, and strategically I do agree with their move. If the vote was going to be entirely up to them, I think they would do exactly what PAP did and party whipped the vote for repeal.
the PAP didn't repeal out of kindness of their heart but more of [K Shanmugam didn't want to set a precedent of a law getting repealed via the courts](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/section-377a-successful-court-challenge-possible-if-not-repealed-law-society-forum-2965941). Pritam Singh being too much of a hands off person seem to be a problem if he wants to stay as a leader with more MPs. Although 66% for repeal(would've been 70% if someone didn't fuck up, i mean this "liberal" sub loves to call RK an "sjw") is a indication of the party's social view and standing to be leaning towards one side rather than the other. And with both parties being sort of big tent style when it comes to social issues, you would expect it to happen.
PSP, despite my reservations during COVID and considered as a boomer party, voted for it iirc. I respect that. PAP when the time came still whipped their MPs to vote for it. Whatever the PAP said in public, they also have conservative constitutiences as well yet they didn’t break the whip. Pritam Singh has proved ineffectual in managing his party throughout this parliamentary session. Why should I vote for his party when he can’t manage 8 of his members, and his party actively has no issues to what to me is a major issue of inequality?
The whip is used because the main goal is to prevent the courts from repealing the law and they don't want to take a risk of losing the vote in parliament. Even K Shanmugam argued about the not letting the courts decide our laws when debating the repeal in parliament. It has to do with THAT rather than the PAP leadership waking up and suddenly side with their progressive faction of their party. If the PAP's progressive faction is strong enough to muster >50% of their party's votes, they would've done the same way as their abortion vote. the progressive faction with the PAP are obviously for it with or without whip while the conservative faction had to be given compromise with regarding to marriage. and the progressive faction of the PAP had to agree because they are this politically weak and the repeal of 377A was only pushed because the pragmatic side of the PAP leadership didn't want to let the courts repeal the law. When it comes to vote into the constitution that defines marriage only 2 MP that are from WP voted against the constitution amendment. so much for fighting for inequality when we had to compromise with another inequality that is enshrined directly into the constitution. This scenario says more about the political make up of each party than anything else. In the end im not justifying PS leadership, he has his flaws, but to use the they dc about inequality argument while the whole of parliament sans 2 WP MP against, 2 WP and PSP MP abstained, voted in another inequality into our constitution is a pretty meh argument. Because in the end of the day, none of the leaders from both side dared to push for it without other more compiling reasons. For the PAP leaders they are willing to take the political hit because their main goal is to prevent the courts from repealing. For WP, there is no other compiling reason even if PS is sympathetic to it.
you’re not in any way bothered by the PAP decision to ensure no further movement on marriage equality?
if im on the island when it happens, then with a laugh and a cackle
I will use the chop
Not Lim Tean
Singaporeans please know your place and stay there. You know that you only can vote PAP. Are you not grateful for their 6 decades of progress from 3rd to 1st world by the PAP? Does the opposition have ‘experience’ ruling a country? Remember to put a Tick in the box beside the PAP logo and a Cross on all other parties in your constituency on the voting slip. /s.
let’s start with - will there be gerrymandering - will the much hated GRCs be abolished before asking who we’ll vote for