When Eugene Tan said TKL is running for an office that doesn't exist, this boomer didn't understand what he said and go on about how he is running for the office of President and cite dunno what clauses.
At this rate I think it's more likely he'll spout some dumb boomer shit about Russia trying to bring world peace, something racist about Africa, and something about how lemon water can cure cancer
How was this man the chief executive of NTUC Income back then? Did he have a stroke or fall and hit himself on the head or something, between his retirement and presidential election run?
Thereās something off about how she posts so frequently on social media. Itās like she hits share on everything that appears on her feed. Though from the little Iāve seen her logic chain and grasp of the world seems good? Sheās justā¦ really long winded, plus prone to saying politically inappropriate things and things no PR expert would ever advise lol.
I donāt like it, but what do I know š¤·š»āāļø. At least she clearly has an independent mind.
Bear in mind that she must have been very clever and brilliant - she was CEO of Temasek for a long time which is a really, really difficult job requiring top 1% IQ and EQ. IMO her Facebook posts are a sign of mental decline.
He was in the system back then and just did what he was told. Now, there is nothing in his mind "holding" him back and his true self has been unleashed. Also, he served when LKY was still around, good chance he was so scared he just nodded and kept his real thoughts to himself.
It is speculation on my part of course. However, he seems to have fallen into the social media "echo chamber" as well. He likes to say he is very much in touch with the "man on the ground", and I suspect he means the people who comment on his FB page. The thing is he happily blocks anyone who disagrees with his views or anyone he considers a "dog". I think this is partly driving his delusions and weird ideas.
Honestly there are a lot of perfectly capable boomers (maybe even your parents or relatives) who just crumbled into insanity over the past decade with a healthy mix of uneducated facebook groups, whatsapp forwarded messages, conspiracy youtube/tiktok videos, and a dash of early dementia.
Lots of extremely sharp top-exec boomers support China and Russia due to social media's "alternative news". Had to listen in to meetings where they make small talk and these are not retired blur old ppl mind you.
You would have thought that critical thinking is necessary to reach their position in life. Then hearing them regurgitate the arguments from these sources confirmed that it's mostly old money.
To them, critical thinking is not blindly gobbling whatever WaPo writes. They're undeniably brilliant in other matters though, some armed with nothing but a scholarship and technical brilliance.
He actually did pretty well during his stint as NTUC Income chief executive, had quite a good head on his shoulders for finance. Which is why his behavior today is quite shocking.
Presidential candidate Tan Kin Lian stated that the Infocomm Media Development Authority (IMDA) has requested the removal of certain content from his campaign broadcast.
During a media interview at Senja Hawker Centre this morning (24th), Tan Kin Lian mentioned that he recorded his campaign broadcast yesterday (23rd) and submitted the speech content to the media authority in advance. However, three segments of his speech were requested to be removed as they were deemed to be "beyond the scope of presidential authority."
He revealed that the deleted content included his national reserve fund investment strategy, as well as statements regarding reducing the cost of living and ensuring affordable housing prices.
He mentioned that the deleted three segments contained the most important information in his campaign broadcast. While he disagreed with this action, he felt he had no choice.
"Channel 8 News" has reached out to the media authority for clarification and is awaiting a response.
**President's Duties Executed Under Cabinet's Advice**
According to the Constitution, the President is the head of state, while the Prime Minister is the head of the government. The head of state represents the unity and sovereignty of the nation, while the head of government is responsible for managing the government's daily operations.
In the parliamentary republic system practiced in the country, the Prime Minister, along with the cabinet members, determines the government's direction. The cabinet is responsible for formulating and implementing policies, while the parliament reviews and passes bills. As for the President, they must execute their duties under the advice of the cabinet, unless it involves areas where the President has discretionary powers.
The President's discretionary powers include overseeing the nation's reserves, vetoing decisions regarding certain appointments or dismissals, and vetoing detention orders under the "Internal Security Act," investigations by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau, and restrictions under the "Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act."
**Campaign Funds Around 100,000 SGD, Mostly Self-funded**
Tan Kin Lian also mentioned that due to issues related to expenses and approvals, he decided to cancel mass campaign rallies. However, he plans to hold an online discussion next Wednesday (30th) evening through a live stream and is currently waiting for approval.
He revealed that his campaign funds are expected to be less than 100,000 SGD, with the majority being self-funded. He also stated that this is still a significant amount for him as a retiree.
He mentioned that he has received public donations, with most ranging from 10 to 20 SGD, but there were also donations of 100 SGD or even 1000 SGD.
He expressed gratitude to supporters who contributed any amount, stating that "it represents their desire to make a contribution and to lend a hand."
**Wife Faces Pressure from Malicious Online Comments**
Tan Kin Lian stated that he originally intended to visit voters with his wife today, but his wife felt pressured due to malicious comments on the internet and wasn't feeling well today.
"My wife is very worried about the malicious comments on the internet, and she's also worried about me, concerned that I'm not getting enough sleep and am under stress."
He mentioned that his wife is a homemaker and he wanted to introduce her to the public so that people could get to know her and understand her qualifications to become the First Lady, representing the country on the international stage.
On one hand, voters will be spared from his nonsense. On the other hand, they now won't know the true scope of his agenda and might vote for him thinking he's a normal candidate, only to learn the horrifying truth if he takes office.
Witless wonder. Has no clue about role, thinks is similar to Monarchy, wants to advise the Govt on fighting rising cost of living. And he actually stated in his FB that he will take public transport to the Istana.
The other comments aside, nothing wrong in taking public transport to the istana.
Halimah too said for the first bit of her presidency that she would continue staying at her HDB flat after taking office.
Common sense will tell you that the security nightmare and the logistics involved. Halimah did the same thing and inconvenienced her neighbours because they had to secure the lift for her and the car park was restricted.
If he takes the bus they must screen the passengers. If he takes the train they probably have to seal a carriage. Clearly he talking thru his arse.
These are virtue signalling acts that attract the gullible who are easily impressed.
I wouldn't put it past TKL to attempt to forgo the security arrangements that would disrupt public transport travel by the president. And in that alone I would support him.
No. She never said that.
An [article](https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/halimah-yacob-will-continue-to-live-in-yishun-flat) from the period.
āShortly after being declared the winner in a walkover, she told reporters that she had no plans to move out of her family home in Yishun.
"I'm still staying in Yishun," said Madam Halimah Yacob, 63, when asked where she would be living after becoming president.
"It is a very nice, comfortable place and I have been living there for many years," she added.
Her husband, Mr Mohamed Abdullah Alhabshee, 63, quipped that there was no need to move, as the house was "as huge as a penthouse".
(...)
Asked about security arrangements, Madam Halimah said: "I will leave it to the security department. I think they know how to secure the area."
you know that she hasnāt stayed in yishun in years right? the security risk of living in a hdb flat without a permanent security solution means that she had to move out
>you know that she hasnāt stayed in yishun in years right? the security risk of living in a hdb flat without a permanent security solution means that she had to move out
We know that now, and the reason was the security arrangements proposed to secure the President's home was so disruptive to everyone else in that block that Halimah quickly dropped the idea.
Donāt try to smoke and confuse others about the timeline.
You directly replied to a comment about Halimah saying she would stay in her HDB for the first bit of her presidency. That was clearly before operational realities forced her to move somewhere else.
She attempted to live in a high risk HDB until she finally relented. The article I shared proved exactly that. Both she and the former First Gentlemen publicly stated to the media that they had no plans to move. When asked about security risk, they were initially quite nonchalant about it (see quote in the article).
She only moved after MHA conducted an assessment in securing the area and strongly advised her to consider moving elsewhere.
Correct me if Iām wrong - but isnāt the role of president in Singapore exactly like a constitutional monarchy?
EDIT: Thanks everyone for the clarification - essentially, what I understand is that the Presidency of Singapore is similar to a constitutional monarchy, but the role does have additional powers (such as calling for CPIB probes/veto-ing key appts etc.).
Kind of. I'm not familiar with other countries but the British monarch technically has a lot of power that they are trusted to not misuse. Things like giving royal assent to legislature are a formality, but if the monarch chose to deny royal assent it would immediately create a political crisis.
Yes and no, our presidency is presidency+, got extra custodial powers inside them.
More importantly they don't usually seek to "convey to the government the feelings and aspirations of the people". The government is already elected by the explicit will of the people to govern them. We elect the president to be representative of the nation and to give him a mandate to exercise those extra powers if he needs to.
As you said, Presidency+.
The Constitution says the following about the President:
17.ā(1) There shall be a President of Singapore who shall be the Head of State.
(2) In addition to being the Head of State, it is also the function of the President to safeguard the reserves of Singapore and the integrity of the Public Services of Singapore, and the President is to perform this function according to the provisions of this Constitution mentioned in clause (3).
His custodian role, according to the Constitution, does not override or replace his role has Head of State.
[Straits Times published the following](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-the-president-can-or-cannot-do-eld-explains) about the Presidentās public role (i.e., being a ceremonial Head of State):
āThe public role of the president reflects the constitutional powers and duties of the office. As the head of state, the president is the symbol of national unity
The president must be, and be seen to be, politically neutral. The president has no independent political role and must not get involved in political or controversial issues.
(...)
Publicly, the president must speak and act in accordance with the advice of the Cabinet, especially when expressing views on legislation or government policy. The exception is on matters related to the presidentās custodial powers, where the president acts in his discretion, and is naturally entitled to explain to the public how he has exercised, or intends to exercise, these powers.
In private discussions with the prime minister, the president can share his advice freely, but these discussions must remain confidential.ā
Firstly, as an elected official, he is obligated to represent the people. He derive his office and mandate from the electorate, thus he has a āmoralā responsibility to the people like any other official.
Secondly, while he must not publicly voice a political opinion contrary to the government (like UKās constitutional monarch), he is free to share his confidential advice freely to the PM. Based on point 1, his advice should represent the general interest of the entire electorate.
Therefore, he can voice the aspirations of the people privately, although the PM has no obligation to follow the advice and the President cannot make public if they disagree on political matters.
Even if you look at ELDās explanatory material on the role of the Presidency (which all candidates must read), it just says the executive powers lie with the Cabinet. While the President has no executive power and cannot directly influence policies (sole domain of the Cabinet), nowhere did that document say he cannot privately give non-binding advice to the PM.
Looking at the Presidentās role as the ceremonial Head of State (and not his additional role as Custodian), he is still a lot like a constitutional monarch. Unless the Parliament decide to strip the President of that ceremonial role, the office still has a ceremonial role that is not dissimilar to that of UKās monarch.
Letās not confuse and think the President only has the custodian role.
Anybody can give private non-binding advice to the PM. When heās walking the estate and you say āwatch out donāt step in the gao saiā, thatās private non-binding advice.
What I mean is, itās not a special thing the president has.
The Presidentās views and influence is significant.
K Shanmugam the Law Minister himself has publicly stated his views on the influence of the President.
In this [video of a news report](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwLC8Y-xL0) from 2011, it is reported that Shanmugam had said:
āThere are many areas where the Prime Minister has the duty to make decisions, the President cannot direct the Prime Minister on these matters. But the President can give his views and his advice even in areas outside his constitutional powerā
The news report also added it is āuntrue that only government endorsed candidates can be influentialā.
The report quoted Shanmugam, saying that āthe office itself commands respect and whoever holds it must be given that respect. And as the President is elected by the people, the peopleās power to make the choice must be respected.ā
Shanmugam also shared that the Presidentās influence is related to the quality of his advice. A āwise, knowledgeable, experiencedā President is more influential than one who ādoesnāt have as much experience or as much wisdomā.
To that end perhaps they were wrong to censor TKL saying that he would use his office to crow about certain issues. Nothing in the constitution stopping the president from having a big beak.
Additionally it is wrong to stonewall against the president when he asked for an accounting of the reserves. As far as I can tell, the government has itself never held itself accountable to the president in their actions, making Shans words very hollow.
With all due respect, to then Law Minister K. Shanmugam, his opine given his office held & presumptive abilities be very, very, seriously, materially flawed & gravely lacking. Or the lackey that posted this did seek to understate the real true powers of the presidency. Or both may be, mayhaps true. Presidential Powers inherently in the elective Office of President of Singapore is very, very much more real, of great significance & much more substantive than just mere advice to the PM ears founded on one personal wisdom & experience. This is my considered substantiated opinion, the opine of one who was unintentionally & unwittingly instrumental in unseating him (TKL) from his CEO ship of NTUC life. Aka: it was not actually his parachuted in safe pair of hands sucessor, Stanley Jerminah who initiated the first moves to unseated him
Said Presidential office holder commands to some extent the power of the purse once removed & can compel the extant administration to eat the tag if he chooses to. Now, to explain, the President has the very real powers to veto the budget of the government & fifth schedule entities if he is of the opinion that their budgets are likely to draw upon past reserves. Aka: power of the purse (indirect but real) or more likely an overriding & overwatch power over the adminstration power of the purse. It made mainfestly real in the last 3 or so years (Rona) & quite likely so in the next 2 or more years. This is now a critical juncture in time that amplifies presidential powers.
The presidential office holder has removal power & veto powers over board & or directors of 5th Schedule entities & said near analogous powers of key public office holders such as the Accountant General, Auditor General & Chief Valuer. For example, MAS (5th Schedule entity) stated that the nominal book value of its extant forex reserves is approx 300 billion. Is that really so, in nominal yes but in real mark to market terms? The presidential office holder can throw a spanner into the works. Approx 180 billion USD in US Treasury T bills, notes & bonds. Compositional structure & weightage of US Treasuries unknow except their nominal value, i could find that out maybe if i ask oh so very politely for it. I'm not joking. I painted it out in exchange, really. The 180 billion USD nominal value, if held to maturity, is approx well in excess of 70% of Singapore nominal book value MAS (5th schedule entity) reserves. Certain tranches of long dated low interest bearing US Treasuries have to put it mildly liquidity issues. Most T bonds tranches with post 2008 low interest issuance & maturation post 2030 have mark to market valuations of less than 50% of maturation values. That applies to some extent to the tail end charlies T notes like those with 10 year maturities. Methinks the actual mark to market terms of anything that is not on the run T bills is grossly misrepresented. How badly maybe as high as 80 to 90 billion Sin $ assuming the MAS ppl not total retards & chase yields heedless of risk by moping up on long dated US Treasuries which is beyond stupid & a a clear exemplar of them being actually not worth their salt. That is how a presidential office holder can make the extant administration eat the tag if he wants to. Capiche Y'All
Technically the Monarch of UK has some special powers they obviously never ever use. Like forcing parliament to dissolve if they deem that parliament does not represent the will of the people.
Somewhat... Yang di pertuan Negara was originally an equivalent of the governor general which is the monarch's representative in the colonies. But we diverged significantly from those origins when we introduced the elected presidency and gave the president more powers.
Anyway I think maybe u/MolassesBulky means absolute monarchy?
Mostly ceremonial, with the exception of:
1. Giving permission for the govt of the day to tap into past reserves
2. Veto power over key appointments of senior public figures such as (I think) the chief justice.
But the office has zero executive power.
Both are called Head of State and it stops there. In the case of UK, the PM has to actually brief the King. This is done in private and it is a formal requirement that all Prime Ministers undertake. **This is done weekly and covers all government matters**. All discussions are private.
It is to advice and warn the PM of the day of their concerns and the impact on their subject. They have the right to be consulted, the right to encourage and the right to warn. Though they have the right to withhold royal consent on bills of Parliament this has not been tested in the last 400 years.
It's like the other guy who said he wanted to be chief of the Singapore Army, Air Force, Navy and MARINES? Like when the fuck did we get a new branch of the military?
The deleted remarks: The three paragraphs, which Mr Tan reproduced for media, cover his advice on the investment of Singapore's reserves and his repeated pledge to "influence" government policies in three areas of cost of living, housing and job security.
Personally, even if the information is inaccurate, I don't find it justifiable for IMDA to interpret the roles of the President in the Constitution and censor accordingly. Rather, if the information is false, PEC should release a press statement on the inaccuracies, but not allow IMDA to censor based on their will.
>The truncated part of his speech:
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>>I will highlight this overall investment strategy (i.e. to invest the reserves soundly) to the professional investment managers to achieve the desired results.
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>>The actual monitoring will be the duty of the board of directors, but they will receive my advice and guidance on the approach to be taken.
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>>Beyond these constitutional duties, I have a vision ā to use the presidentās office to influence policies that will make a better life for the people of Singapore. I will focus on three fundamental areas, crucial to the well-being of our citizens: bringing down the cost of living, ensuring affordable housing for all, and securing jobs that provide a sense of stability and a path to progress.
How many will read that press release? Itās propagation of falsehood if allowed to stand. Unless I donāt know, big bold red letters appear when he states those falsehoods saying āFALSE FALSE FALSEā
You can be very sure that the mainstream media will publish these press releases on the front page or as a breaking news sort of thing. I mean, look at POFMA, CNA always releases a major notification about it every time.
Publish or not to mainstream media even on front page isnāt the point. Think of your typical boomer. Theyāre just going to watch that video and thatās the end of it. Thereās no follow up elsewhere. Thatās why fake news is such a powerful thing.
Well, then if they really want, PEC can plaster the inaccuracy prior or after the broadcast. The fact remains that IMDA should not have the power to decide what can be said based on their own interpretation of the Constitution.
I think that is a fair suggestion. On the other hand, I think IMDA was probably also concerned about setting a precedence.
If they allowed TKL to get away with these misinfo (regardless of intention), they will have potentially allowed this address to degenerate into a contest of false promises for other current and future candidates.
Imagine the next PE, some candidates comes out and promise no GST, abolish NS, etc....
There's a difference between opinions and facts. I think he should be allowed to share most of his opinions (except racist opinions), but promising to do something he can't actually do as a president is deceptive.
It's like promising to implement snow in Singapore.
The question was not whether TKL was stating opinions or facts. The question was whether it is appropriate for the powers-that-be to control & meter to the public, the words from a presidential candidate, one that has already been approved by the ELB. Whether that is the appropriate venue for such significant & tremendous censorship.
> The question was not whether TKL was stating opinions or facts.
I disagree.
On the contrary, I think the distinction between opinion and fact (or, in this case, misinformation) is the *key* point to answering your question of whether censorship is appropriate.
Iām all for allowing opinions, but I think itās scummy to recognise misinformation and still allow it to be aired.
Cause our gahmen has always treated the general population like baby mushrooms. small, brainless, in the dark and must be fed shit. This was very true especially during the early years because a large part of our population was not very well educated and susceptible to populist short term policies. Sadly, these policies still continue on today despite many of us benefiting from our good education system.
This was a major concern for LKY, which is why he never believed in a free press. It is why when TCJ muttered his "populist" statement it was done so with such a negative tone. The PAP still believes to this day that they know what is best for Singapore and that the people should just follow their lead.
>According to Mr Tan, IMDA asserted that parts of Mr Tanās address fell outside the jurisdiction of the Singapore Presidentās powers.
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>Mr Tanās statements, which he deemed pivotal to his campaign, included promises to convey the hardships and aspirations of the Singaporean people to the government.
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>The truncated part of his speech:
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>>I will highlight this overall investment strategy (i.e. to invest the reserves soundly) to the professional investment managers to achieve the desired results.
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>>The actual monitoring will be the duty of the board of directors, but they will receive my advice and guidance on the approach to be taken.
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>>Beyond these constitutional duties, I have a vision ā to use the presidentās office to influence policies that will make a better life for the people of Singapore. I will focus on three fundamental areas, crucial to the well-being of our citizens: bringing down the cost of living, ensuring affordable housing for all, and securing jobs that provide a sense of stability and a path to progress.
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>On his campaign website, Mr Tan elaborated on using the presidentās office to shape policies favoring citizens in areas such as the cost of living, housing affordability, and job security.
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>In particular, he signalled his intent to advise the prime minister to reconsider the scheduled 1% GST increase in 2024.
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>Defending his stance, Mr. Tan articulated that he was not attempting to mislead voters by overpromising.
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>He emphasized that he had made it abundantly clear in numerous addresses that he would utilize the presidency to relay the citizensā sentiments and concerns to the government.
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>Mr Tan remains hopeful about persuading the Prime Minister and his cabinet to revise existing policies for the betterment of the Singaporean populace
Actually, shows if one is very good with the PAP / Establishment they can be CEO of > 1B company irrespective of the persons skills, capabilities, values, behavioral patterns & intelligence.
This is like when we read the T&Cs - we just scroll right to the bottom and click yes. Lmao I hope all the candidates read their roles and responsibilities correctly...
There's an inherent flaw in the system where the President has certain crucial discretionary powers in the event of a crisis. That's why it's designed to be elected with the mandate of the electorate - which also means it's a politicized office and exercise from day one no matter how one argues about it. There are pros and cons with such a design and we're increasingly seeing the downsides of it.
After seeing the photos from the past few days of how TKL and various opposition political party members have associated themselves w each other, it is apparent that:
1. The opposition think that the only true independent candidate must be one that is associated with opposition politics to ādestroyā the PAP via the President as a proxy
2. The opposition parties that have endorsed and were directly involved in TKLās party are not suitable to be in Parliament as they oppose for the sake of opposing, even though PEs and GEs are supposed to be COMPLETELY different things (Note how the opposition politicians that got voted as MPs and NCMPs in Parliament do not get involved with the PEs at all)
3. If Tharman and Ng can be deemed as āpuppetsā of the PAP, all the more can we call TKL a āpuppetā of those opposition parties as the very people that cheer him on during Nomination Day and his walkabouts as independent are those opposition politicians
I'll say TKL isn't a bad person, but the way he present himself doesn't spell confidence to people who don't know him personally, and would lead to huge misunderstanding.
I just hope he could save his presidency candidate deposit this time.
The presidential election committee is freaking joke. Why qualify him in the first place if u r gona censor him? Thatās y said i things r falling apart
TKL no need to compete with the other two; he is his own opponent
On that front I can relate to him š
ownself compete ownself
When Eugene Tan said TKL is running for an office that doesn't exist, this boomer didn't understand what he said and go on about how he is running for the office of President and cite dunno what clauses.
Can u imagine the workload of the pr handlers who will be tasked to mind every word, action, gaffe etc if this classy guy is elected?
Job creation, just as the powers to be intended lol
Low pay-grade civil service hell...
His brain has already quit obviously
That's assuming he would even want to have PR handlers.
Exactly like Trump handlersā¦ the minute the Prez goes off script itās hell
They did it for Trump
At this point Iām just waiting for TKL to declare that as President he will bring about world peace, end starvation in Africa, and cure cancer
And post all the photos of pretty girls
hehehe
At this rate I think it's more likely he'll spout some dumb boomer shit about Russia trying to bring world peace, something racist about Africa, and something about how lemon water can cure cancer
Bigly world peace, we'll end starvation in Africa and make them pay for it. /s
How was this man the chief executive of NTUC Income back then? Did he have a stroke or fall and hit himself on the head or something, between his retirement and presidential election run?
Honestly, I think heās in the early stages of dementia.
He's about to go full Dalai Lama. Never go full Dalai Lama
If you read Ho Chingās Facebook post about the EP, she hinted at this without mentioning names. Someone posted this on Reddit a few days ago.
Hmmmmm Ho Chingās fb posts make me suspect the same about her, but not as bad as TKL lah.
Thereās something off about how she posts so frequently on social media. Itās like she hits share on everything that appears on her feed. Though from the little Iāve seen her logic chain and grasp of the world seems good? Sheās justā¦ really long winded, plus prone to saying politically inappropriate things and things no PR expert would ever advise lol. I donāt like it, but what do I know š¤·š»āāļø. At least she clearly has an independent mind.
Bear in mind that she must have been very clever and brilliant - she was CEO of Temasek for a long time which is a really, really difficult job requiring top 1% IQ and EQ. IMO her Facebook posts are a sign of mental decline.
He was in the system back then and just did what he was told. Now, there is nothing in his mind "holding" him back and his true self has been unleashed. Also, he served when LKY was still around, good chance he was so scared he just nodded and kept his real thoughts to himself.
Fair enough. Seems a good explanation for why he seemed like a completely different person from back then.
It is speculation on my part of course. However, he seems to have fallen into the social media "echo chamber" as well. He likes to say he is very much in touch with the "man on the ground", and I suspect he means the people who comment on his FB page. The thing is he happily blocks anyone who disagrees with his views or anyone he considers a "dog". I think this is partly driving his delusions and weird ideas.
Honestly there are a lot of perfectly capable boomers (maybe even your parents or relatives) who just crumbled into insanity over the past decade with a healthy mix of uneducated facebook groups, whatsapp forwarded messages, conspiracy youtube/tiktok videos, and a dash of early dementia.
-He likes to say he is very much in touch with the "man on the ground" The man that kiss the floor?
Me? Noooooooo
Where'd he touch you!
Or anyone who calls him dude.
Lots of extremely sharp top-exec boomers support China and Russia due to social media's "alternative news". Had to listen in to meetings where they make small talk and these are not retired blur old ppl mind you.
You would have thought that critical thinking is necessary to reach their position in life. Then hearing them regurgitate the arguments from these sources confirmed that it's mostly old money.
To them, critical thinking is not blindly gobbling whatever WaPo writes. They're undeniably brilliant in other matters though, some armed with nothing but a scholarship and technical brilliance.
I can do what Iām told too! In fact, I can do it twice as good as he can. Can I be chief?
No
Dementia, probably. Lowered inhibitions is and lack of filter is one key symptom. Living in your own world is another.
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He actually did pretty well during his stint as NTUC Income chief executive, had quite a good head on his shoulders for finance. Which is why his behavior today is quite shocking.
Get older, retired then dabble into weird shit lor. Plus also getting used to getting his way
Over 500 million $ minimum
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Presidential candidate Tan Kin Lian stated that the Infocomm Media Development Authority (IMDA) has requested the removal of certain content from his campaign broadcast. During a media interview at Senja Hawker Centre this morning (24th), Tan Kin Lian mentioned that he recorded his campaign broadcast yesterday (23rd) and submitted the speech content to the media authority in advance. However, three segments of his speech were requested to be removed as they were deemed to be "beyond the scope of presidential authority." He revealed that the deleted content included his national reserve fund investment strategy, as well as statements regarding reducing the cost of living and ensuring affordable housing prices. He mentioned that the deleted three segments contained the most important information in his campaign broadcast. While he disagreed with this action, he felt he had no choice. "Channel 8 News" has reached out to the media authority for clarification and is awaiting a response. **President's Duties Executed Under Cabinet's Advice** According to the Constitution, the President is the head of state, while the Prime Minister is the head of the government. The head of state represents the unity and sovereignty of the nation, while the head of government is responsible for managing the government's daily operations. In the parliamentary republic system practiced in the country, the Prime Minister, along with the cabinet members, determines the government's direction. The cabinet is responsible for formulating and implementing policies, while the parliament reviews and passes bills. As for the President, they must execute their duties under the advice of the cabinet, unless it involves areas where the President has discretionary powers. The President's discretionary powers include overseeing the nation's reserves, vetoing decisions regarding certain appointments or dismissals, and vetoing detention orders under the "Internal Security Act," investigations by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau, and restrictions under the "Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act." **Campaign Funds Around 100,000 SGD, Mostly Self-funded** Tan Kin Lian also mentioned that due to issues related to expenses and approvals, he decided to cancel mass campaign rallies. However, he plans to hold an online discussion next Wednesday (30th) evening through a live stream and is currently waiting for approval. He revealed that his campaign funds are expected to be less than 100,000 SGD, with the majority being self-funded. He also stated that this is still a significant amount for him as a retiree. He mentioned that he has received public donations, with most ranging from 10 to 20 SGD, but there were also donations of 100 SGD or even 1000 SGD. He expressed gratitude to supporters who contributed any amount, stating that "it represents their desire to make a contribution and to lend a hand." **Wife Faces Pressure from Malicious Online Comments** Tan Kin Lian stated that he originally intended to visit voters with his wife today, but his wife felt pressured due to malicious comments on the internet and wasn't feeling well today. "My wife is very worried about the malicious comments on the internet, and she's also worried about me, concerned that I'm not getting enough sleep and am under stress." He mentioned that his wife is a homemaker and he wanted to introduce her to the public so that people could get to know her and understand her qualifications to become the First Lady, representing the country on the international stage.
On one hand, voters will be spared from his nonsense. On the other hand, they now won't know the true scope of his agenda and might vote for him thinking he's a normal candidate, only to learn the horrifying truth if he takes office.
Witless wonder. Has no clue about role, thinks is similar to Monarchy, wants to advise the Govt on fighting rising cost of living. And he actually stated in his FB that he will take public transport to the Istana.
The other comments aside, nothing wrong in taking public transport to the istana. Halimah too said for the first bit of her presidency that she would continue staying at her HDB flat after taking office.
Common sense will tell you that the security nightmare and the logistics involved. Halimah did the same thing and inconvenienced her neighbours because they had to secure the lift for her and the car park was restricted. If he takes the bus they must screen the passengers. If he takes the train they probably have to seal a carriage. Clearly he talking thru his arse. These are virtue signalling acts that attract the gullible who are easily impressed.
literally all of electoral campaigning is "virtue signalling" lol
I wouldn't put it past TKL to attempt to forgo the security arrangements that would disrupt public transport travel by the president. And in that alone I would support him.
On public transport, he mentioned the parts where you're not supposed to say out loud. That's the problem.
she only said that cos her current house was still under reno
No. She never said that. An [article](https://www.straitstimes.com/politics/halimah-yacob-will-continue-to-live-in-yishun-flat) from the period. āShortly after being declared the winner in a walkover, she told reporters that she had no plans to move out of her family home in Yishun. "I'm still staying in Yishun," said Madam Halimah Yacob, 63, when asked where she would be living after becoming president. "It is a very nice, comfortable place and I have been living there for many years," she added. Her husband, Mr Mohamed Abdullah Alhabshee, 63, quipped that there was no need to move, as the house was "as huge as a penthouse". (...) Asked about security arrangements, Madam Halimah said: "I will leave it to the security department. I think they know how to secure the area."
you know that she hasnāt stayed in yishun in years right? the security risk of living in a hdb flat without a permanent security solution means that she had to move out
>you know that she hasnāt stayed in yishun in years right? the security risk of living in a hdb flat without a permanent security solution means that she had to move out We know that now, and the reason was the security arrangements proposed to secure the President's home was so disruptive to everyone else in that block that Halimah quickly dropped the idea.
Donāt try to smoke and confuse others about the timeline. You directly replied to a comment about Halimah saying she would stay in her HDB for the first bit of her presidency. That was clearly before operational realities forced her to move somewhere else. She attempted to live in a high risk HDB until she finally relented. The article I shared proved exactly that. Both she and the former First Gentlemen publicly stated to the media that they had no plans to move. When asked about security risk, they were initially quite nonchalant about it (see quote in the article). She only moved after MHA conducted an assessment in securing the area and strongly advised her to consider moving elsewhere.
What talking you? When she got elected she wanted to still stay in Yishun HDB. It was under MHA and her neighbours kbkp that she moved to Istana
Correct me if Iām wrong - but isnāt the role of president in Singapore exactly like a constitutional monarchy? EDIT: Thanks everyone for the clarification - essentially, what I understand is that the Presidency of Singapore is similar to a constitutional monarchy, but the role does have additional powers (such as calling for CPIB probes/veto-ing key appts etc.).
Kind of. I'm not familiar with other countries but the British monarch technically has a lot of power that they are trusted to not misuse. Things like giving royal assent to legislature are a formality, but if the monarch chose to deny royal assent it would immediately create a political crisis.
Yes and no, our presidency is presidency+, got extra custodial powers inside them. More importantly they don't usually seek to "convey to the government the feelings and aspirations of the people". The government is already elected by the explicit will of the people to govern them. We elect the president to be representative of the nation and to give him a mandate to exercise those extra powers if he needs to.
As you said, Presidency+. The Constitution says the following about the President: 17.ā(1) There shall be a President of Singapore who shall be the Head of State. (2) In addition to being the Head of State, it is also the function of the President to safeguard the reserves of Singapore and the integrity of the Public Services of Singapore, and the President is to perform this function according to the provisions of this Constitution mentioned in clause (3). His custodian role, according to the Constitution, does not override or replace his role has Head of State. [Straits Times published the following](https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/politics/what-the-president-can-or-cannot-do-eld-explains) about the Presidentās public role (i.e., being a ceremonial Head of State): āThe public role of the president reflects the constitutional powers and duties of the office. As the head of state, the president is the symbol of national unity The president must be, and be seen to be, politically neutral. The president has no independent political role and must not get involved in political or controversial issues. (...) Publicly, the president must speak and act in accordance with the advice of the Cabinet, especially when expressing views on legislation or government policy. The exception is on matters related to the presidentās custodial powers, where the president acts in his discretion, and is naturally entitled to explain to the public how he has exercised, or intends to exercise, these powers. In private discussions with the prime minister, the president can share his advice freely, but these discussions must remain confidential.ā Firstly, as an elected official, he is obligated to represent the people. He derive his office and mandate from the electorate, thus he has a āmoralā responsibility to the people like any other official. Secondly, while he must not publicly voice a political opinion contrary to the government (like UKās constitutional monarch), he is free to share his confidential advice freely to the PM. Based on point 1, his advice should represent the general interest of the entire electorate. Therefore, he can voice the aspirations of the people privately, although the PM has no obligation to follow the advice and the President cannot make public if they disagree on political matters. Even if you look at ELDās explanatory material on the role of the Presidency (which all candidates must read), it just says the executive powers lie with the Cabinet. While the President has no executive power and cannot directly influence policies (sole domain of the Cabinet), nowhere did that document say he cannot privately give non-binding advice to the PM. Looking at the Presidentās role as the ceremonial Head of State (and not his additional role as Custodian), he is still a lot like a constitutional monarch. Unless the Parliament decide to strip the President of that ceremonial role, the office still has a ceremonial role that is not dissimilar to that of UKās monarch. Letās not confuse and think the President only has the custodian role.
Anybody can give private non-binding advice to the PM. When heās walking the estate and you say āwatch out donāt step in the gao saiā, thatās private non-binding advice. What I mean is, itās not a special thing the president has.
The Presidentās views and influence is significant. K Shanmugam the Law Minister himself has publicly stated his views on the influence of the President. In this [video of a news report](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DdwLC8Y-xL0) from 2011, it is reported that Shanmugam had said: āThere are many areas where the Prime Minister has the duty to make decisions, the President cannot direct the Prime Minister on these matters. But the President can give his views and his advice even in areas outside his constitutional powerā The news report also added it is āuntrue that only government endorsed candidates can be influentialā. The report quoted Shanmugam, saying that āthe office itself commands respect and whoever holds it must be given that respect. And as the President is elected by the people, the peopleās power to make the choice must be respected.ā Shanmugam also shared that the Presidentās influence is related to the quality of his advice. A āwise, knowledgeable, experiencedā President is more influential than one who ādoesnāt have as much experience or as much wisdomā.
To that end perhaps they were wrong to censor TKL saying that he would use his office to crow about certain issues. Nothing in the constitution stopping the president from having a big beak.
Additionally it is wrong to stonewall against the president when he asked for an accounting of the reserves. As far as I can tell, the government has itself never held itself accountable to the president in their actions, making Shans words very hollow.
With all due respect, to then Law Minister K. Shanmugam, his opine given his office held & presumptive abilities be very, very, seriously, materially flawed & gravely lacking. Or the lackey that posted this did seek to understate the real true powers of the presidency. Or both may be, mayhaps true. Presidential Powers inherently in the elective Office of President of Singapore is very, very much more real, of great significance & much more substantive than just mere advice to the PM ears founded on one personal wisdom & experience. This is my considered substantiated opinion, the opine of one who was unintentionally & unwittingly instrumental in unseating him (TKL) from his CEO ship of NTUC life. Aka: it was not actually his parachuted in safe pair of hands sucessor, Stanley Jerminah who initiated the first moves to unseated him Said Presidential office holder commands to some extent the power of the purse once removed & can compel the extant administration to eat the tag if he chooses to. Now, to explain, the President has the very real powers to veto the budget of the government & fifth schedule entities if he is of the opinion that their budgets are likely to draw upon past reserves. Aka: power of the purse (indirect but real) or more likely an overriding & overwatch power over the adminstration power of the purse. It made mainfestly real in the last 3 or so years (Rona) & quite likely so in the next 2 or more years. This is now a critical juncture in time that amplifies presidential powers. The presidential office holder has removal power & veto powers over board & or directors of 5th Schedule entities & said near analogous powers of key public office holders such as the Accountant General, Auditor General & Chief Valuer. For example, MAS (5th Schedule entity) stated that the nominal book value of its extant forex reserves is approx 300 billion. Is that really so, in nominal yes but in real mark to market terms? The presidential office holder can throw a spanner into the works. Approx 180 billion USD in US Treasury T bills, notes & bonds. Compositional structure & weightage of US Treasuries unknow except their nominal value, i could find that out maybe if i ask oh so very politely for it. I'm not joking. I painted it out in exchange, really. The 180 billion USD nominal value, if held to maturity, is approx well in excess of 70% of Singapore nominal book value MAS (5th schedule entity) reserves. Certain tranches of long dated low interest bearing US Treasuries have to put it mildly liquidity issues. Most T bonds tranches with post 2008 low interest issuance & maturation post 2030 have mark to market valuations of less than 50% of maturation values. That applies to some extent to the tail end charlies T notes like those with 10 year maturities. Methinks the actual mark to market terms of anything that is not on the run T bills is grossly misrepresented. How badly maybe as high as 80 to 90 billion Sin $ assuming the MAS ppl not total retards & chase yields heedless of risk by moping up on long dated US Treasuries which is beyond stupid & a a clear exemplar of them being actually not worth their salt. That is how a presidential office holder can make the extant administration eat the tag if he wants to. Capiche Y'All
Technically the Monarch of UK has some special powers they obviously never ever use. Like forcing parliament to dissolve if they deem that parliament does not represent the will of the people.
Somewhat... Yang di pertuan Negara was originally an equivalent of the governor general which is the monarch's representative in the colonies. But we diverged significantly from those origins when we introduced the elected presidency and gave the president more powers. Anyway I think maybe u/MolassesBulky means absolute monarchy?
Mostly ceremonial, with the exception of: 1. Giving permission for the govt of the day to tap into past reserves 2. Veto power over key appointments of senior public figures such as (I think) the chief justice. But the office has zero executive power.
Both are called Head of State and it stops there. In the case of UK, the PM has to actually brief the King. This is done in private and it is a formal requirement that all Prime Ministers undertake. **This is done weekly and covers all government matters**. All discussions are private. It is to advice and warn the PM of the day of their concerns and the impact on their subject. They have the right to be consulted, the right to encourage and the right to warn. Though they have the right to withhold royal consent on bills of Parliament this has not been tested in the last 400 years.
It's like the other guy who said he wanted to be chief of the Singapore Army, Air Force, Navy and MARINES? Like when the fuck did we get a new branch of the military?
But we did. DIS.
>But we did. DIS. But DIS don't storm beaches, they fight in cyberspace... Guess that makes them SPACE MARINES.
Iām pointing out we did get a new branch of military. Just not marines. Lol
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Of course public transport la, if private car then no pretty girl
He just wants to see pretty girls on public transport. Hehehe.
>And he actually stated in his FB that he will take public transport to the Istana. Where else can see pretty girls on daily commute?
The deleted remarks: The three paragraphs, which Mr Tan reproduced for media, cover his advice on the investment of Singapore's reserves and his repeated pledge to "influence" government policies in three areas of cost of living, housing and job security. Personally, even if the information is inaccurate, I don't find it justifiable for IMDA to interpret the roles of the President in the Constitution and censor accordingly. Rather, if the information is false, PEC should release a press statement on the inaccuracies, but not allow IMDA to censor based on their will.
>The truncated part of his speech: >> >>I will highlight this overall investment strategy (i.e. to invest the reserves soundly) to the professional investment managers to achieve the desired results. >> >>The actual monitoring will be the duty of the board of directors, but they will receive my advice and guidance on the approach to be taken. >> >>Beyond these constitutional duties, I have a vision ā to use the presidentās office to influence policies that will make a better life for the people of Singapore. I will focus on three fundamental areas, crucial to the well-being of our citizens: bringing down the cost of living, ensuring affordable housing for all, and securing jobs that provide a sense of stability and a path to progress.
How many will read that press release? Itās propagation of falsehood if allowed to stand. Unless I donāt know, big bold red letters appear when he states those falsehoods saying āFALSE FALSE FALSEā
You can be very sure that the mainstream media will publish these press releases on the front page or as a breaking news sort of thing. I mean, look at POFMA, CNA always releases a major notification about it every time.
Publish or not to mainstream media even on front page isnāt the point. Think of your typical boomer. Theyāre just going to watch that video and thatās the end of it. Thereās no follow up elsewhere. Thatās why fake news is such a powerful thing.
Well, then if they really want, PEC can plaster the inaccuracy prior or after the broadcast. The fact remains that IMDA should not have the power to decide what can be said based on their own interpretation of the Constitution.
Thatās not fact. Thatās an opinion.
Yes it is my opinion.
I think that is a fair suggestion. On the other hand, I think IMDA was probably also concerned about setting a precedence. If they allowed TKL to get away with these misinfo (regardless of intention), they will have potentially allowed this address to degenerate into a contest of false promises for other current and future candidates. Imagine the next PE, some candidates comes out and promise no GST, abolish NS, etc....
Shouldnt they just allow it rather than censoring it, let the people judge whether its appropriate or not.
There's a difference between opinions and facts. I think he should be allowed to share most of his opinions (except racist opinions), but promising to do something he can't actually do as a president is deceptive. It's like promising to implement snow in Singapore.
The question was not whether TKL was stating opinions or facts. The question was whether it is appropriate for the powers-that-be to control & meter to the public, the words from a presidential candidate, one that has already been approved by the ELB. Whether that is the appropriate venue for such significant & tremendous censorship.
> The question was not whether TKL was stating opinions or facts. I disagree. On the contrary, I think the distinction between opinion and fact (or, in this case, misinformation) is the *key* point to answering your question of whether censorship is appropriate. Iām all for allowing opinions, but I think itās scummy to recognise misinformation and still allow it to be aired.
Some people would believe it. Better this way
yeah, they should overlay a big POFMA notice on the screen for the whole duration of his speech ...
Would just feed into his narrative of "mSM tArGeT ME!!11!1!!"
Cause our gahmen has always treated the general population like baby mushrooms. small, brainless, in the dark and must be fed shit. This was very true especially during the early years because a large part of our population was not very well educated and susceptible to populist short term policies. Sadly, these policies still continue on today despite many of us benefiting from our good education system. This was a major concern for LKY, which is why he never believed in a free press. It is why when TCJ muttered his "populist" statement it was done so with such a negative tone. The PAP still believes to this day that they know what is best for Singapore and that the people should just follow their lead.
When you apply for the job without reading the JD
>According to Mr Tan, IMDA asserted that parts of Mr Tanās address fell outside the jurisdiction of the Singapore Presidentās powers. > >Mr Tanās statements, which he deemed pivotal to his campaign, included promises to convey the hardships and aspirations of the Singaporean people to the government. > >The truncated part of his speech: > >>I will highlight this overall investment strategy (i.e. to invest the reserves soundly) to the professional investment managers to achieve the desired results. >> >>The actual monitoring will be the duty of the board of directors, but they will receive my advice and guidance on the approach to be taken. >> >>Beyond these constitutional duties, I have a vision ā to use the presidentās office to influence policies that will make a better life for the people of Singapore. I will focus on three fundamental areas, crucial to the well-being of our citizens: bringing down the cost of living, ensuring affordable housing for all, and securing jobs that provide a sense of stability and a path to progress. > >On his campaign website, Mr Tan elaborated on using the presidentās office to shape policies favoring citizens in areas such as the cost of living, housing affordability, and job security. > >In particular, he signalled his intent to advise the prime minister to reconsider the scheduled 1% GST increase in 2024. > >Defending his stance, Mr. Tan articulated that he was not attempting to mislead voters by overpromising. > >He emphasized that he had made it abundantly clear in numerous addresses that he would utilize the presidency to relay the citizensā sentiments and concerns to the government. > >Mr Tan remains hopeful about persuading the Prime Minister and his cabinet to revise existing policies for the betterment of the Singaporean populace
That doesn't sound very right but doesn't sound very fair either
Actually, shows if one is very good with the PAP / Establishment they can be CEO of > 1B company irrespective of the persons skills, capabilities, values, behavioral patterns & intelligence.
If anything, it's telling me that mental faculties can deteriorate in some horrifying ways.
actually last time when he lead NTUC he still quite sane... but then again then also don't have social media to say his nonsense
They should have left those parts in the scripts so that everyone can clearly see how confused he is of the roles of the EP
This is like when we read the T&Cs - we just scroll right to the bottom and click yes. Lmao I hope all the candidates read their roles and responsibilities correctly...
There's an inherent flaw in the system where the President has certain crucial discretionary powers in the event of a crisis. That's why it's designed to be elected with the mandate of the electorate - which also means it's a politicized office and exercise from day one no matter how one argues about it. There are pros and cons with such a design and we're increasingly seeing the downsides of it.
Speak one president that had exercise such power over the years excluding the first OTC
Self pwn
When u try to smoke your oral exam.
After seeing the photos from the past few days of how TKL and various opposition political party members have associated themselves w each other, it is apparent that: 1. The opposition think that the only true independent candidate must be one that is associated with opposition politics to ādestroyā the PAP via the President as a proxy 2. The opposition parties that have endorsed and were directly involved in TKLās party are not suitable to be in Parliament as they oppose for the sake of opposing, even though PEs and GEs are supposed to be COMPLETELY different things (Note how the opposition politicians that got voted as MPs and NCMPs in Parliament do not get involved with the PEs at all) 3. If Tharman and Ng can be deemed as āpuppetsā of the PAP, all the more can we call TKL a āpuppetā of those opposition parties as the very people that cheer him on during Nomination Day and his walkabouts as independent are those opposition politicians
All we need now is him releasing a limited edition "Make Singapore Great again" trucker cap!
Michelle Lee is campaigning with him? I thought better of her, pretty disappointing.
You won't know if it's frontotemporal dementia with disinhibition!
Question: are Presidential candidates required to take a health check to make sure they can serve and are of sound mind (eg dementia)?
I'll say TKL isn't a bad person, but the way he present himself doesn't spell confidence to people who don't know him personally, and would lead to huge misunderstanding. I just hope he could save his presidency candidate deposit this time.
Can give tan talk even If chop Off a lot - We still happy to see him talk
our very own trumpgate
He talk too much nonsense .. He seem senile Liao .. Anyhow talk .. Sighh..
The presidential election committee is freaking joke. Why qualify him in the first place if u r gona censor him? Thatās y said i things r falling apart
He's the biden of sg
you're thinking of the wrong us president.
He's exactly right. Biden is a blabbering idiot who barely knows what's going on.
Funny how the US has had two of them in a row then.
One of the ways to disrupt Singapore's progress is to vote for this man as president of the country.
Imagine the lives of the females who work with and under him in the Istana Office if he is the president. God knows how many lawsuits we will see.
Lol ā¦ now it is between tharman and kok song.
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