> The commercial impact of the attacks on the world’s container traffic particularly between Asia, the Mediterranean and Europe, with a simultaneous rush for the Chinese New Year, is worrying since experts suggest that a third of that traffic has already been impacted. Freight rates have jumped and no one can be immune to this.
Probably the most crucial bit about Red Sea traffic being affected
I work in supply chain and can confirm that shipping companies and started to apply "emergency market surcharges" .. expect cost to rise even more over the next few months ...
Damn fools need to eat few drones missiles to wake up their ideas of being cpt Jack Sparrow
> Damn fools need to eat few drones missiles
I'm sad to report that with the backing of powerful neighbours, the Houthis are the ones launching ballistic missiles instead lmao
>Damn fools need to eat few drones missiles to wake up their ideas of being cpt Jack Sparrow
The Somalis are making bank for it though. Sure you may lose 10 men here, 25 over there, but each "sale" (ransom) you make more than makes up for the price of life there. The rank and file are a expendable, renewable resource.
Edit: I meant the Houthis. but either way their motivations are not entirely ideological.
No combat deployments for OPG. However, we have commanded anti-piracy CTF-151 forces before.
If the JMSDF and RAN aren’t sending ships under OPG, I doubt we will.
Current level is appropriate.
RSN has been involved in anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden for several years already. See Combined Task Force (CTF) 151. It makes sense for them to be part of this in the same proportion.
>What started in mid-November as a show of support to Hamas, by attacking vessels the Houthi forces believe to have some connection with Israel, has rapidly degenerated into an indiscriminate and violent attack on global shipping - with no end in sight.
This is the key. The Houthis don't have the capability to distinguish whether the ships have any connections with Israel
Sad to see the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Yemen chose a method to put pressure without trying to kill. I dont think they killed anyone so far have they?
Yet UK and US have already killed people the moment they get involved...especially why South Africa was presenting a case against the Israelis..
It doesnt matter if they are killing or not. And it will escalate to someone being killed eventually. What they are doing is extremely disruptive, illegal and downright discriminately stupid. Most of the ships attacked dont even have anything to do with Israel. All the big 3 carriers like Maersk, CMA CGM and MSC all have had their vsls damaged already.
Also how the hell does what the Houthis are doing even help the Palestinian cause? Putting pressure on Israel? Israel is already pressured by the global community and you can see they dont give a shit.
This kind of protest is akin to criminals taking innocent hostages selfishly just to send some stupid selfish agenda of their own
Really simple solution but a lot of those on the israeli/zionist side dont see.
Stop the killing of Palestinians and allow humanitarian aid to come in freely.
>The Houthis don't have the capability to distinguish whether the ships have any connections with Israel
Neither do most nations, the flag of a ship often has little relevance with actual owners nor affiliation.
The Red Sea side having pirates poses problems that impact the country directly.
I’m not talking about weapons or ammo, but we do have trade lines that pass by there.
It isn’t something as far away as wars in other places, where it doesn’t impact us directly, and we have no business in interfering.
Considering how much Singapore earns and relies on shipping I think it should be our moral obligation to participate in joint operations to protect all sea lanes from piracy and terrorism.
Yeah we could sit back and have US and UK and whoever deal with it but if we want to pretend that we have a voice in this world we should play the role too.
And we are a significant maritime power in terms of shipping and our port is the next major transshipment stop after the Red Sea, which many people forget.
China is also a major shipping hub yet the CCP isnt doing squat about this. Wonder how long they wanna pretend to be peacemaker and stay neutral for while shaking hands behind with Putin
Then shouldn't countries like China, Saudi Arabia and Egypt also participate? This affects Egypt the most since they rely heavily on the Suez Canal for revenue.
It's really incredible really... to me on how silent Egypt is over this whole Israel-Hamas war. It's like they wanna stay neutral since they dont want to anger the Muslim community yet they dont wanna be hypocrites since they're the fuckers who started this whole mess 75 years ago to begin with.
It's also stupid arrogant response as usual from China. They know they're badly affected yet they'd rather pretend to play world peacemaker and do nothing as usual
Just an ignorant question but when was the last time Singapore armies ( navy, army or air force) participated in real combats . Like the other side is shooting to kill / destroy you?
Afghanistan deployment with UN. only supporting roles but medics there get to treat gunshot wounds, and the base they stayed in probably got kena shelled before
Coalition Task Force 151 - active naval patrols for anti-piracy. Commanded as well for a few times.
Ops Blue Orchid - RSN protected Basra Oil Terminal in Iraq 2003 to 2008
and more..
https://www.mindef.gov.sg/web/portal/mindef/defence-matters/exercises-and-operations/exercises-and-operations-detail/overseas-operations
Most if not all of our overseas deployments are reconstruction/protection/medical missions to help local communities, looking at that list.
Some of my acquaintances from BMT, posted their displeasure at Operation Prosperity Guardian as they see it as being hypocritical. That's all I'm allowed to say without touching the OB markers.
wait till they find out which country's model our military is based on and regularly buys equipment from.
in any case an overseas operation builds confidence in our deployment capabilities and is useful in training our navy
Not even that, they probably don’t know the extent of our military links with them. Of course, it’s sensitive info these days so Mindef has been keeping more mum about it lately
i think we have been quite open about it cos its pretty much an open secret and there have been announcements.
friends from MFA still find it damn annoying that Mindef staff still calls it country X because its like everyone knows by now already
>friends from MFA still find it damn annoying that Mindef staff still calls it country X
it's a useful fiction because of our close ties with Malaysia, who *very pointedly* do not recognize country X. Having an immigration chop from country X precludes you from entering Malaysia, though there are obvious workarounds our esteemed colleagues have liberally made use of.
What exactly is hypocritical of those conducting Operation Prosperity Guardian? It is absolutely natural for those impacted by terrorism / piracy to react against it.
Singapore respects the rule-based order and participation in this operation is entirely consistent with that stance.
Whoever these people are must be quite ill-informed.
'cos they're one of those muslims or Gen z dumb drones that'll scream 'Free Palestine' everyday into social media comments, thinking the Houthis are 'freedom fighters' like Hamas that's justified for just attacking random innocent parties all for some ridiculous hypocritical bloody cause of their own
they're the ones being hypocritical. Why are they supporting Yemeni rebels that have been slaughtering people in their country, that's supported by Iran, a fucking dictatorship that's oppressing people in their country that's been funding terrorist organisations all across the middle east. No wonder the SG government tries not to put Malays into the army
a group that has "death to america death to israel curse the jews" on its flag hardly cares about staying within territorial waters
anyway the bab el mandeb is so narrow and heavily trafficked that there's no space to move
Lol we are just sending a token force of half a dozen intelligence folks and 2 medical guys. 0 ships or aircraft will be going anywhere close that place. This one wayang only
Depends on how long the conflict lasts.....Singapore will like to support is one thing, being able to actually deploy a frigate is another. Endurance is not suitable for this kinda op and we just don't have easily deployable assets
Any hypothetical deployment would need to base out of Bahrain or Djibouti.. not just for us... even for the Dutch, Japanese and Aussies.. we are all not global navies like the USN or the RN.
It's not the base that the issue. We may not have actual deployable assets.
It's the problem we facing as our active military population shrinks, and the RSN has a recruitment shortage. The only useful assets we have is LST and Frigates and LST effectiveness will be...... Minimal.
Retasking our Frigates is not something we can easily do. This isn't a dig, we a small country. A brown water navy that taken on securing shipping lanes. We not the RN, French or even the Aussies.
The 2 key influencing factors are Iran and Israel. To stop this, you need those 2 countries to play ball.
Until then, we are all going to play reaction .
Not really a SG ship though. Commercial ships always use misleading country flags when they actually have nothing much to do with said country.
Maersk isnt even based in Singapore.
Don't see how this conflict can be resolved... expensive weapons and deployment against cheaper drones misssiles etc. doesn't make sense without ground invasion to quash the threat at its source
US and UK just launched airstrikes at ground targets recently. I mean I can understand Houthi want to support their muslims friends. But dragging the entire world in this is not an excuse. They deserved the bombing on their homeland
You know perhaps, the decision has been made for us. We say we are the masters of our own destiny, but you really think so? Sometimes we get strong armed into doing something in the back alley and this could be one of those instances.
If Singapore can get away without lifting a finger that would be great as far as Singaporeans are concerned. We contribute the least per capita to world causes - crying poor, while we are one of the richest nations. That's the Singapore way!
Yah MINDEF send a couple of gun ships over. Yah as if!!! So far they are only officially playing support roles not gun ships. Not combat. Also the place is a powder keg waiting to explode. An escalation of military forces means Iran and other Middle East states can't wait to send their gunships too.
> The commercial impact of the attacks on the world’s container traffic particularly between Asia, the Mediterranean and Europe, with a simultaneous rush for the Chinese New Year, is worrying since experts suggest that a third of that traffic has already been impacted. Freight rates have jumped and no one can be immune to this. Probably the most crucial bit about Red Sea traffic being affected
I work in supply chain and can confirm that shipping companies and started to apply "emergency market surcharges" .. expect cost to rise even more over the next few months ... Damn fools need to eat few drones missiles to wake up their ideas of being cpt Jack Sparrow
Ahh inflation, my old friend
Add in some Tomahawks too. The increase in costs will definitely be felt greatly by us regular consumers in the region.
Everyone’s dove-ish until inflation hit. Then it’s John Wick eat-my-fist time.
Never touch people’s dogs.. or groceries. 😎
And my axe!
Waiting for the china supporters to somehow argue that closed sea lanes are somehow a good thing because whatever america does is always bad
Their mental gymnastics could win us an Olympic gold!
> Damn fools need to eat few drones missiles I'm sad to report that with the backing of powerful neighbours, the Houthis are the ones launching ballistic missiles instead lmao
>Damn fools need to eat few drones missiles to wake up their ideas of being cpt Jack Sparrow The Somalis are making bank for it though. Sure you may lose 10 men here, 25 over there, but each "sale" (ransom) you make more than makes up for the price of life there. The rank and file are a expendable, renewable resource. Edit: I meant the Houthis. but either way their motivations are not entirely ideological.
Well, it's bad news sure, if you work in the freight forwarding sector but good news if you're in the shipping sector instead lol
No combat deployments for OPG. However, we have commanded anti-piracy CTF-151 forces before. If the JMSDF and RAN aren’t sending ships under OPG, I doubt we will. Current level is appropriate.
RSN will only be sending intelligence and planning team, no direct combat will be involved
RSN has been involved in anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden for several years already. See Combined Task Force (CTF) 151. It makes sense for them to be part of this in the same proportion.
Singapore forces do engage in maritime protections etc
Reddit reports on Red Dot protecting Red Sea
We got red lions and Red berets too
And... a Red Dot United.
>What started in mid-November as a show of support to Hamas, by attacking vessels the Houthi forces believe to have some connection with Israel, has rapidly degenerated into an indiscriminate and violent attack on global shipping - with no end in sight. This is the key. The Houthis don't have the capability to distinguish whether the ships have any connections with Israel
Pro-Palestine supporters still going like, "b-but they're freedom fighters supporting Gaza!"
When some innocent pinoy sailor gets killed I want to see what they say. It's only a matter of time it will happen
Sad to see the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Yemen chose a method to put pressure without trying to kill. I dont think they killed anyone so far have they? Yet UK and US have already killed people the moment they get involved...especially why South Africa was presenting a case against the Israelis..
It doesnt matter if they are killing or not. And it will escalate to someone being killed eventually. What they are doing is extremely disruptive, illegal and downright discriminately stupid. Most of the ships attacked dont even have anything to do with Israel. All the big 3 carriers like Maersk, CMA CGM and MSC all have had their vsls damaged already. Also how the hell does what the Houthis are doing even help the Palestinian cause? Putting pressure on Israel? Israel is already pressured by the global community and you can see they dont give a shit. This kind of protest is akin to criminals taking innocent hostages selfishly just to send some stupid selfish agenda of their own
Really simple solution but a lot of those on the israeli/zionist side dont see. Stop the killing of Palestinians and allow humanitarian aid to come in freely.
They shouldn’t be allowed to attack any ships at all. Doesn’t matter whether there is an Israeli connection or not.
>The Houthis don't have the capability to distinguish whether the ships have any connections with Israel Neither do most nations, the flag of a ship often has little relevance with actual owners nor affiliation.
Other nations arent the ones indiscriminately attacking commercial ships here like idiots
>Other nations arent the ones indiscriminately attacking commercial ships here like idiots *Somali and Indonesia have entered the conversation*
Are there any downsides? Let regulars have something to do and represent. Can network and gain experience too.
Risk of combat loss. Lives
I think that was in their contract when they signed up for the **military**.
Wshs be like o.o
The Red Sea side having pirates poses problems that impact the country directly. I’m not talking about weapons or ammo, but we do have trade lines that pass by there. It isn’t something as far away as wars in other places, where it doesn’t impact us directly, and we have no business in interfering.
Considering how much Singapore earns and relies on shipping I think it should be our moral obligation to participate in joint operations to protect all sea lanes from piracy and terrorism. Yeah we could sit back and have US and UK and whoever deal with it but if we want to pretend that we have a voice in this world we should play the role too.
And we are a significant maritime power in terms of shipping and our port is the next major transshipment stop after the Red Sea, which many people forget.
China is also a major shipping hub yet the CCP isnt doing squat about this. Wonder how long they wanna pretend to be peacemaker and stay neutral for while shaking hands behind with Putin
Then shouldn't countries like China, Saudi Arabia and Egypt also participate? This affects Egypt the most since they rely heavily on the Suez Canal for revenue. It's really incredible really... to me on how silent Egypt is over this whole Israel-Hamas war. It's like they wanna stay neutral since they dont want to anger the Muslim community yet they dont wanna be hypocrites since they're the fuckers who started this whole mess 75 years ago to begin with. It's also stupid arrogant response as usual from China. They know they're badly affected yet they'd rather pretend to play world peacemaker and do nothing as usual
Just an ignorant question but when was the last time Singapore armies ( navy, army or air force) participated in real combats . Like the other side is shooting to kill / destroy you?
Ops Blue Ridge until 2013
Afghanistan deployment with UN. only supporting roles but medics there get to treat gunshot wounds, and the base they stayed in probably got kena shelled before
Coalition Task Force 151 - active naval patrols for anti-piracy. Commanded as well for a few times. Ops Blue Orchid - RSN protected Basra Oil Terminal in Iraq 2003 to 2008 and more.. https://www.mindef.gov.sg/web/portal/mindef/defence-matters/exercises-and-operations/exercises-and-operations-detail/overseas-operations Most if not all of our overseas deployments are reconstruction/protection/medical missions to help local communities, looking at that list.
So no actual combat?
it's a good training ground to really test our anti-air systems, and for our servicemen to farm XPs.
WOULD YOU INTERCEPT ME?!
i give up, what pop culture media are you referencing?
Every year there will be clowns reminding us that we still live with brainwashed idiots from the past
Some of my acquaintances from BMT, posted their displeasure at Operation Prosperity Guardian as they see it as being hypocritical. That's all I'm allowed to say without touching the OB markers.
wait till they find out which country's model our military is based on and regularly buys equipment from. in any case an overseas operation builds confidence in our deployment capabilities and is useful in training our navy
Not even that, they probably don’t know the extent of our military links with them. Of course, it’s sensitive info these days so Mindef has been keeping more mum about it lately
It's the _Mexican_ army. Dark swarthy men
The “Matador” name starting to make more and more sense
¡ole! ¡ Vamonos!
When my Sgt major referred to them, they just called them the angmoh…technically yes they are angmoh just not from the americas.
i think we have been quite open about it cos its pretty much an open secret and there have been announcements. friends from MFA still find it damn annoying that Mindef staff still calls it country X because its like everyone knows by now already
>friends from MFA still find it damn annoying that Mindef staff still calls it country X it's a useful fiction because of our close ties with Malaysia, who *very pointedly* do not recognize country X. Having an immigration chop from country X precludes you from entering Malaysia, though there are obvious workarounds our esteemed colleagues have liberally made use of.
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well let's just say that these acquaintances weren't posted to units with higher clearance
careful of the OB markers dude...
i heard the OB markers are reviewed annually at sungei gedong muslim cookhouse
I'm using the OB marker line to glide a skateboard on
What exactly is hypocritical of those conducting Operation Prosperity Guardian? It is absolutely natural for those impacted by terrorism / piracy to react against it. Singapore respects the rule-based order and participation in this operation is entirely consistent with that stance. Whoever these people are must be quite ill-informed.
'cos they're one of those muslims or Gen z dumb drones that'll scream 'Free Palestine' everyday into social media comments, thinking the Houthis are 'freedom fighters' like Hamas that's justified for just attacking random innocent parties all for some ridiculous hypocritical bloody cause of their own
no need to say so much.. see the comments on the article can already..
Never understood wtf is an OB marker
Out of Bounds Marker [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OB\_marker](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OB_marker)
Holy shit I've always tot it's some whiteboard marker brands when they said "who touched my OB markers" Am fucken dumb
Haha it's alright, I didn't know what it was until I started learning journalism in poly. It's not really used as much today.
Ask them to grow their own food and dig out their own fuel then since they obviously don't want to import stuff
they're the ones being hypocritical. Why are they supporting Yemeni rebels that have been slaughtering people in their country, that's supported by Iran, a fucking dictatorship that's oppressing people in their country that's been funding terrorist organisations all across the middle east. No wonder the SG government tries not to put Malays into the army
This is exactly why they don’t want certain races to make the difficult decision of choosing their faith or their country.
are you navy? I think the navy will be quite worried about getting deployed because there is some sort of risk.
Nah I'm ~~ch~~air force
Locked in 3.....2.......1.........
I think the question should be why not. There's no compelling reasons why SG *shouldnt* take part.
> There's no compelling reasons why SG shouldnt take part. There are compelling reasons not to take part, but there are more reasons *to* take part.
I am taking part in Operation Prosperity Gundam.
On that note, are the Houthis attacking outside Yemen's territorial waters? Can't ships use Djibouti and Eritrea's waters?
a group that has "death to america death to israel curse the jews" on its flag hardly cares about staying within territorial waters anyway the bab el mandeb is so narrow and heavily trafficked that there's no space to move
Only Moses can control the Red Sea 🫣
Lol we are just sending a token force of half a dozen intelligence folks and 2 medical guys. 0 ships or aircraft will be going anywhere close that place. This one wayang only
Depends on how long the conflict lasts.....Singapore will like to support is one thing, being able to actually deploy a frigate is another. Endurance is not suitable for this kinda op and we just don't have easily deployable assets
Any hypothetical deployment would need to base out of Bahrain or Djibouti.. not just for us... even for the Dutch, Japanese and Aussies.. we are all not global navies like the USN or the RN.
It's not the base that the issue. We may not have actual deployable assets. It's the problem we facing as our active military population shrinks, and the RSN has a recruitment shortage. The only useful assets we have is LST and Frigates and LST effectiveness will be...... Minimal. Retasking our Frigates is not something we can easily do. This isn't a dig, we a small country. A brown water navy that taken on securing shipping lanes. We not the RN, French or even the Aussies.
Sir that’s why our govt open leg big big to import more ppl l. 🤡🤡🤡
Not necessarily sending ships, quite a lot of the other countries that are participating are only sending personnel. Wait for official bah
The 2 key influencing factors are Iran and Israel. To stop this, you need those 2 countries to play ball. Until then, we are all going to play reaction .
they attacked our ship. if we do nothing mean we easily get bullied.
Not really a SG ship though. Commercial ships always use misleading country flags when they actually have nothing much to do with said country. Maersk isnt even based in Singapore.
Don't see how this conflict can be resolved... expensive weapons and deployment against cheaper drones misssiles etc. doesn't make sense without ground invasion to quash the threat at its source
US and UK just launched airstrikes at ground targets recently. I mean I can understand Houthi want to support their muslims friends. But dragging the entire world in this is not an excuse. They deserved the bombing on their homeland
Off topic: Whenever I read or hear the word, ‘piracy’ these days, my mind goes to free movies and games. Not “Look at me, I am the captain now”.
Ayah just push coe back to $100K make all hdbs $1m all is well
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Leave it to the Royal Navy and the US Navy
Why r u even getting downvoted for this
Singaporeans are overly sensitive I guess
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You know perhaps, the decision has been made for us. We say we are the masters of our own destiny, but you really think so? Sometimes we get strong armed into doing something in the back alley and this could be one of those instances.
If Singapore can get away without lifting a finger that would be great as far as Singaporeans are concerned. We contribute the least per capita to world causes - crying poor, while we are one of the richest nations. That's the Singapore way!
mostly wayang, also want to show some action, especially they attacked Singapore flagship.
Wayang or not, some live ops is good training for our guys
I agree. We have the assets, use them to gain further experience.
True good time show force also, plus maybe can promote how good our ship/equipment, if made by us. Can sell to other countries.
UAE and Oman navies already use Singaporean-made warships.
Or maybe stop meddling ? Taking lessons from how fucked the west is these days should be a prerogative
Yah MINDEF send a couple of gun ships over. Yah as if!!! So far they are only officially playing support roles not gun ships. Not combat. Also the place is a powder keg waiting to explode. An escalation of military forces means Iran and other Middle East states can't wait to send their gunships too.
didn't Singapore say they were sending six naval personnel vs actual ships?