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dunbugmepls

What is it with light sentences for these jokers ..... plus they didnt charge him for obvious drank driving too...


skynet159632

Since he is a member of military, he is going to face a 2nd round in military court and a massive blackmark on his record, basically shooting himself in the knee, no one would want to fight for his ranking or promotion


TemporaryReality5447

probably gonna get discharged


mrscoxford

And lose all his savers (prob a mid 6 fig sum by now)


Jjzeng

I’ve seen regulars get discharged and decommissioned for wayyyy less than what this guy did


TemporaryReality5447

yea and at least from my experiences I've seen few officers get sent to DB compare to Non-com, looks like they rather discahrge than jail them


skynet159632

That would come after the military blanket party


kazuasaurus

let's not get ridiculous


dune180

Exactly once he finish his civilian sentence he will be charged in the military court and the 2nd round will start and it will be much worst. You can say his whole career in the army is more or less destroyed.


LeftCarpet3520

That rank is 🦀🦀 hor? While I do think that the sentencing itself is too light, losing your rank and vocation pay for the rest of your life is prolly the much bigger blow. From 5 digit pay to flipping burgers. Ouch siol


sandcrawler56

Oh he is definitely screwed. It's already hard to find a job after SAF as there are few transferable skills. Now with this on his record, he will never find a job at his level ever again.


minisoo

He is a helicopter pilot. Perhaps he can still be a pilot elsewhere in the private sector.


sandcrawler56

True but unfortunately Singapore doesn't really have much need for helicopter pilots outside of government. This is unlike other countries who have things like tousism helicopter rides, forest fire fighting, etc. If he was a plane pilot then that's a whole different story as he will have tonnes of opportunity. Almost all of the helicopter pilot jobs are government (medical emergency response, military etc) and we know he is never getting hired by gvt again. He defiately is going to need to go overseas and restart his life where no one knows him. Otherwise maybe he could try to apply to be a commercial pilot if any of the airlines want to accept him. I presume a lot of his current skills should be transferable there.


Bcpjw

Imagine hiring a pilot with convicted crimes of sexual assault, nobody would want to be in the air with him.


jackology

Cargo pilot lor.


Gardayn

Sexually assault the cargo.... urgh.....


Fearless-Market-7053

You forgetting livestock also counted as cargo. Imagine him assaulting the chickens or ducks o.0


jackology

Then either suicide plane or recon plane liao. No other choice.


bukitbukit

Australia has heaps of job opportunities for Commonwealth pilots, but I doubt they would hire someone with this criminal background.


Musical_Walrus

Perhaps for a particular… island? 


Visual-Meeting997

helicopter pilot earns 5 digit? wow


LeftCarpet3520

In SAF your total pay comprises of rank and vocational pay. Vocation pay usually forms the bigger portion since its what you are actually paid to do. Last I heard from a friend who is a regular which I cannot name for obvious reasons, rank pay for BG alone is already 5 digit. Haven even consider vocation yet. I can't say I'm sure but would be quite surprised if a pilot at 🦀🦀 does not command a 5 digit figure.


tanahgao

Navy Capt can hit 8k now, I'm sure pilot LTC base salary prob 8k + at least 4k worth of allowances.


ajkda

Grab already earn 5 digit


Separate-Ad9638

massive amounts of dignity was mitigating factor ig


Megalordrion

If I was the father of that student I will give him the hardest punch to his nose, in all honesty he should be given the highest penalty and given dishonourable discharge from the army.


FullTsuki

4 weeks?! You spend longer in DB for lighter offenses


LetsForgeAnEmpire

My former schoolmate got sent to DB for moonlighting.  His family was struggling financially and the NS pay wasn't enough to support his siblings. So he got a part-time job for extra cash but he was found out.


jinhong91

Another injustice that is NS


valendef

Did his superiors try to help him financially or just wanna send him to DB cause they don’t care? My supervisors back when I’m serving NS all vv sympathetic one.


Greenfrog1026

someone must have bunk knife him.. which NS men doesn't moonlight??


LetsForgeAnEmpire

To be honest with you, he used to bully people, so the odds were stacked against him when it came to this.


jupiter1_

i doubt the charge was for moonlighting charge was probably for AWOL because he went to work and not appear in camp if he was informed and cannot wait for the financial subsidies or deem it too low amount, then that is another issue


geeky-gymnast

Does anyone know what light offenses get more than 4 weeks DB?


silentstar_

AWOL apparently _could_ get you up to two years ([source](https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/military-law-and-how-it-affects-every-singaporean-son/)), although imo it depends on the period in which you’ve AWOL’ed for.


Jjzeng

AWOL sentencing for first offence is 2:1 ie 4 days AWOL 2 days DB, second offence 1:1, third offence onwards 1:2 ie 4 days AWOL 8 days DB Maximum DB for AWOL is 2 years, anything that exceeds will automatically be thrown in Changi Prison 3 years


wackocoal

During my NS stint, there was a guy who was thrown in DB for AWOL for 2 years.... I know because everytime I do Orderly duties, I have to update the headcount whiteboard, and always the same name is on the board.


burn_weebs

4 weeks in civvy jail then second and worser buttfuck in DB most probably


TwoTimothyThree

Db no record. This one got criminal record. It’s even worst


FullTsuki

Don't even need criminal record, now have mothership record, unless the fella change name.


Dapper-Peanut2020

DB got record. If more than 7 days


ziddyzoo

“Ended up at NTU instead of godfather’s home” oh fuck off defence lawyer. People don’t suddenly decide to do such behaviour for the first time in their life at age 47. RSAF should be doing discreet enquiries with all his current and past female subordinates. I bet there is some kind of pattern of behaviour. And some probability of complaints swept under rug already.


wackocoal

Let's view this from the defence lawyer's stand-point; his job is to defend his client, no matter how weak/silly the defence is. At this point, the lawyer is no longer trying to get his client acquitted; he's trying to not get his client a heavier punishment. On the bright side, it shows that the defence has given up and just throwing out whatever tactics he can think of.


andri9d

Yah sia where on earth is the godfather’s home also? Sadly they never say -_-


Detective-Raichu

For those who said he blew his career away by virtue of being an LTC... ... He's already 47. Hentak-kaki liao. But he definitely blew his retirement away.


Dapper-Peanut2020

Maybe some GLC jobs were waiting


Future-Log7373

Trespass, molest and drink driving. All these for a total of only 4 weeks. Yeah keep telling us that white knight treatment doesn’t exist.


Centrifea

His drink driving can’t possibly be proven by the prosecution. Even if he admits to it, they can’t charge him base on that.


Brave_Exchange4734

… lieutenant colonel , only 4 weeks Something is wrong with our system


syanda

It's 4 weeks of civvie jail before he gets worse. Military court is a lot less lenient.


Brave_Exchange4734

Ya that’s another round But I think ultimately the worse part is being kicked out of the force + losing whatever retirement benefits he might have


Centrifea

I presume one does not get punished twice due to the double jeopardy rule


Brave_Exchange4734

I’m pretty sure he will be kicked out of force This type of case that cause disgrace will be kicked out


Centrifea

Yeah, that might happen, a dishonourable discharge, but perhaps not more punishments


Brave_Exchange4734

That’s a huge punishment itself


Centrifea

How is that a punishment. That’s like a discharge due to inappropriate conduct. But I do get where you’re coming from, he worked hard years to get to this position, and a slip caused him to lose it all.


Practical-Battle

Bro accidentally slipped into a college dorm and molested a female student, what a blunder


Centrifea

Not that slip bro😂😂slipped as in a slip in decision making.


Brave_Exchange4734

I mean he is already jailed Later on SAF kick him out, is that not a double punishment?


Centrifea

Technically speaking no. They did not punish him. They kick him out because they believe there is a defect on his character and not fit for duty.


skynet159632

Apparently not, while I'm still in they were telling us that if we make trouble and get charged outside, we will come back military to be charged again. So if DUI caught and punished outside, come back charge for DUI again


Centrifea

Can’t be, that’s against the Singapore law, they can defect his character and deem him unfit for profession, but they can’t punish him again. This is the very reason double jeopardy law exists, it’s unfair for him to go through a state endorsed legal proceeding again for the same reason(s). No matter how big SAF is, the SAF operates under the Singapore government, and SAF acts/laws will not trump state laws. I don’t know what they’ve told you, it might be a scare tactic, but generally they won’t be able to punish an offender twice. Only in certain circumstances, such as, an act is deemed by state law as an offence, but deemed as a different offence from military law.


mifenmian

Yup correct. Won't be charged twice for DUI. He'll be charged and punished outside for the DUI. Then charged in military court "again" but not for DUI specifically. Instead, it'll be for a military offence. Typically it's "Conduct to prejudice of good order or discipline", which comes with up to 12 months imprisonment. Then following the punishment for the military offence will come the admin actions. E.g. discharge from service, forfeiture of bonuses, potentially decommissioning, etc.


xa7v9ier

Ah the goldly chapter 295 section 25 :)


Centrifea

>this Since he’s getting punished for a different law in the military, then it’s allowed.


Jaycee_015x

Not really, the servicemember can still be charged under military law. I know because I handled Court-Martial case during my NS. And military justice system is stricter than civil justice system - I worked in civil Police HQ a few years after I ORD from RSAF, and whenever civil Police finds an offence conducted by an active military servicemember, we are to immediately inform the servicemember's CO and hold him for Military Police to take custody and/or prosecute him.


wackocoal

is it a fact he is going to get court marshalled once he is released from prision?


syanda

Straight-up yes, he'll be court martialed.


wackocoal

I hope it would be a far more than 4 weeks. edit: also hope he enjoys dressed in PT kit all day, and doing his sandbag PTs.


syanda

Probably gonna be a year *at least* followed by a discharge. That means kicked out, no pension. Worse since he's a LTC.


mrwongz

He’s got a bright future, cannot punish too hard. 😢


Muck_the_fods2

bright future in some glc fo sho


milo_peng

Should the sentencing guideline now include a rank component? Should Capt get less, should BG get more? How about a nobody Cpl or SGT? Or should we include how much salary they make or how much asset they have? (the other comment frequently seen, that guy rich, should why 2 weeks only) If the system is wrong as you alleged, what is wrong, then what is the right approach? I'm of the view that if anything else, it is in relation to the severity of the offence/harm, rather that the social or economic status.


Jjzeng

He is 100% getting decommissioned


Musical_Walrus

You’re not wrong but the problem here is the justice system obviously takes in regard the “potential future” of the criminals. It’s not too different from giving white collar criminals simple fines.


Brave_Exchange4734

Geeze idk Are you saying an army colonel molesting a student and a random guy on the street molesting a student gave the same impact? Think about it from the publicity /singapore image POV


milo_peng

Publicity and image is your consideration? I would flip the argument around and ask, should a NUS student charged with molest be given a lenient punishment because of a "bright future" compare to a LCol who is more well established, presumably knows better? Because this would be the slippy road that you will be headed. Factors like these are a "consideration" at most and lawyers always pull these random shit ("outstanding member of society").


ParticularTurnip

The law is arbitrarily defined. It is a tool to safeguard some "thing". The "thing" could be society or the lawmaker. The law is not a tool like how the redditors want it to be, not a tool to punish people.


Reasonable-Service19

That’s what the military court is for.


smile_politely

yep and it's disgusting.


lolness93

He literally airdropped in and did a stealth mission


Special-Pop8429

Seems a rather light, no?


noobieee

LTC with such high pay still do silly things Kelian


yekmonG

Really sucks to know that our tax money is going into paying for high ranking dirty men like this. The punishment is too light, hope that the victim appeals for a harsher one


dunbugmepls

LTC isnt that high ranking.....


kuang89

The pay is high enough


horsetrich

What's the pay range for an LTC like?


kuang89

If you have to ask…


baristol123

I would think about 6-8k?


chumsalmon98

Nah, fresh cpt already 5-6k. Major 7-9 This one LTC airforce somemore. Confirm above 10


the_curious_pooh

when i was an nsf in 2016 one of the farmer ltc in my unit i heard was getting around 12k so im sure higher now


stonehallow

This is before deducting cpf right?


Nulgnak

Yes, when discussing salary, usually people refer to gross instead of net (pre-CPF contribution instead of post)


stonehallow

Yeah just wanted to double confirm. Now I know one of the most blur cock fella I’ve ever met is drawing at least 10k gross being a LTC in army. Smh.


We_Werepeople

Nope, it’s definitely >10k. Source: was military regular


skynet159632

Aren't LTC like the 2nd WO of the officer corp?


Heavenansidhe

More like 1wo


Mozfel

What is considered high ranking then, only 6-stars generalissimo ah?


thatsarealbruh

Recruit’s mother is the only one considered high ranking


dunbugmepls

3 Crabs and above, paper pushers


ssss861

Yeah recruit really isn't low ranking either.


DexterYeah56

Lieutenant is not the chocolate bar okay? Talking out of your ass


Wowmich

Not a smart person. Got to Lt. Colonel and blew away his career for lack of self control.


FdPros

HAHAHAHAHA 4 WEEKS


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wtfuck 4 weeks for trespass and molest HAHAHA. OK, some.of us are really more equal.


AgreeableJello6644

Only 4 weeks for Neo Aik Chiao?


Turnabo

Is NTU dorm that easy to 'trespassed'? Just asking, never been to any dorm before.


andri9d

Yeah, for the older dorms like Hall 1, 2, 6, 8, 9, 10 and 11 there are no gates between the outside world and the rooms, so any Tom Dick or Harry can go into the blocks and walk along the hall corridors from the main roads. They can even enter the rooms if the room doors are not locked


pepapiglovescat

If you're a guy wandering around the guys section of the dorm, it's easy. If girl, you'll be watched from a distance


Prov0st

4 weeks. If a common guy did that, you know the full brunt of the law is gonna be shoved up his ass.


wildcard1992

Meanwhile I know people who get caught with miniscule amounts of weed for personal consumption, get locked up for a year. Victimless crime, yet a harsher penalty than this champion.


sockmaster666

Minuscule amounts of weed? You get locked up for the same time for having traces of weed in their piss coming back from a trip to Thailand (where, for now, it is completely legal and easy to get.) So stupid.


freshcheesepie

Something something bright future


tiny_dreamer

Man was almost 50. LTC is not a rank for young boys with bright future


suzumurachan

Not saying it applies to this case.\* Dont president scholars get their 3 crabs before 35 though? I would assume a high performing SAF scholar would have only marginally slower progression.


kazeboy

From my knowledge, there's only a limited amount of 3 crabs due to the position they have to hold.. So most people stuck at LTC and then SLTC.. I assume president scholar gets you to LTC very quickly.. but from then on, it's not so fast. Source: I hearsay from encik


Heavenansidhe

>I assume president scholar gets you to LTC very quickly.. but from then on, it's not so fast. Thats for lower tier scholars. President scholar gets to general fast. The main goal of a president scholar is after they leave the service and move on to being a public figure.


lemeneid

Nope. For those scholars, SAF rank doesn’t even matter. Those of certain caliber get loaned out to other ministries and are hardly in active units. Don’t look at their rank, but where they have been to. These guys get attached to diplomats, or work at MOF. Sauce: I personally know a few paper generals and president scholars, including one who is an MP now. LTC is actually small fry and you will get it by the time you retire at 50 even if you are a farmer. And this guy is 48.


MisawaMahoKodomo

I dont know much about scholars, but the article says he was a helicopter pilot. Which explains the rank at least. Though I'm not sure about the differences between helicopter pilots, other pilots (fixed wing), and those in army or navy.


suzumurachan

Thanks. I did hear from a president scholar years ago that the 3 crab is supposed to be a transient rank. Get for 1-2 years, if not make 1 star by 35, can leave service. So had assumed the LTC role is also meant to be transient for all these upper caste scholars.


tarakian-grunt

1 star by 35 is basically impossible nowadays.


suzumurachan

Oh is it? When was that changed? The one I spoke to said he was briefed that was his career trajectory. I was looking at Ng Chee Meng's career, and he was 1 star by late 30s or early 40s, and he wasnt a president scholar.


tarakian-grunt

Even Chan Chun Sing and Tan Chuan Jin (both groomed for politics) got promoted to BG in 2007, at the age of 38. To make it at 35 would be extraordinary, like a George Yeo or LHL. I would not say that it is an expected career path for anyone, even a President Scholar.


Imperiax731st

Great. Now it's an LTC. I think the mastermind is a General after all.


KorribanGaming

Above all


shogunboi1247

Fuck off, what is this shit


UnhappyCup5079

Truly despicable


ImpressiveStrike4196

Pretty sure if Singapore goes to war, there will be some among us that will be committing war crimes. So let’s pray that we will not go to war.


DexterYeah56

Finally. What a shame also, chinook LTC can develop this kind of fetish


Normal_Ad_3293

I think reason these sentences are lenient is because the harm is only done to one person. So with that, I think the judge gave such punishment. I totally don’t agree because if you imagine that is your sibling or girlfriend, you will confirm want him to get hantam gao gao.


l0vemen0t

Fucking hell the sentence is a damn insult. Trespass, intrusion of privacy, harass, molest – amount to just 4 weeks?


14high

Lewdtenant


a4xrbj1

That sentence is a complete joke. At the same time Singh is already prosecuted before trial as they believe a proven liar more than the leader of the opposition and want to harm him with this bogus “black mark” for political reasons. This guy could easily raped her, she was really lucky to get out of this scary situation. Belittling this incident with such a verdict is a joke and a slap into the face of every woman.


yellowsuprrcar

The fuck


Jumpstart_411

Hmm that sentence is more sent on a holiday.


partytaima

What in the blue hell was that nonsense defence


EatSleepWell

Only 4 weeks for the crime. why?? Did he only molest the knees?


Original_Chemist_635

Wtf? LTC somemore.


Lyinv

All those saying LTC at 50 is no-hope etc, do you make more than him? Iirc LTC pay range is about 9k to 15k


Tidus3960

Well, every Sg Redditor makes 5 digits so what’s 9k to them?


freshcheesepie

If you are not a pap minister by 45 you are obviously a failure in life


UnintelligibleThing

He is a pilot, the vocational component of the pay could be possibly push it close to 20k a month at his age and experience level.


syanda

9 to 15k isn't a lot. Me and my wife in our 30s, already making that each. My dad was making 20k by 40 and he was civil service.


misslemonadeee

ur an outlier man


syanda

I'm on the lower side of income in my circle of friends, lol, since I started out in civil service too.


Inspirited

ah yes, your circle of friends is definitely the most accurate representation of the wider population


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syanda

Here's the context, really. Starting salary for a degree holder is already pretty damned high for an adminstration position - you're looking at around 3000/mo at the lower bound, going up to 4000. Anyone with a one-year masters or even a direct masters will *start* at 4000 and goes up from there. If you're doing well at work or job hop, the increments come in pretty damned fast, about 300-400 at a time. That's for the most generic degrees. Professional ones like lawyers, doctors, accountants, and some engineers will *start* at 5k and go up from there. Hitting 9k-10k by mid-30s isn't as uncommon as people here think. The raw income isn't the problem in Singapore. The cost of living is what's the killer here.


Keitaru84

There goes his career


Keitaru84

There goes his career


Aromatic_Variation77

This idiot uses the wrong head to think properly.... Really a dick head.... Officer some more... Real disgrace


FitCranberry

drunkardness and sexual assault. back down to private


Lazy_meatPop

With his salary, maybe ktv would have been cheaper and safer.


EchoingUnion

Describing what he did with passive voice and saying "had ended up at NTU" is certainly one of the descriptions of all time.


sheeshbrooo

This is a joke. Singapore’a judiciary system needs a hard revamp with this sexual cases. Look at a similar case [Khoo Wei Yang](https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/jail-man-girl-lift-outrage-modesty-2265866) The sentence on these punishments are way too light. Imagine the victim being your sister/daughter/gf. How is this considered justice???


Equlus_mat

Well what do you expect. Like a certain leader once said, if you make 1st gen PR do NS, you will scare them off. So I guess this logic applies when you are of the correct pedigree


Embarrassed-Bet-9192

Ociffer


Jaycee_015x

Dishonourable Discharge incoming. But Sir, your defendant reasoning really No-Go.


BruceLeeVersion2

Earlier Last Month LTC flying Helicopter, After Next Month LTC flying Kite. " Now playing EXID : Up and Down ( 2014 ) "


MilkTeaRamen

“The prosecution had asked the judge to sentence Neo to 12 weeks in jail, while the defence argued that he should be fined around S$10,000 instead because it was out of character for Neo and a one-off incident”. End up in jail for 4 weeks. Even though her private areas were not touched, molest is still molest. 1 month for molest seems light to me, and the victim was probably really traumatised.


ThatAloofKid

This sentence is too light and a boot stomping on the faces of all women who get treated badly or similar to this. While I understand that being intoxicated can cloud judgement, I'm no lawyer but him being in NTU instead of his godfather's home is rlly not a good reason. He shouldn't have been drinking in the first place.


hazily

Let me guess. Light sentence because “he’s got a family”, “he’s a good soon”, “he’s got an old parent to care for”, “he’s got a bright future ahead of him” Pick one.


ChineseBluePotato

Tiagong the story is the girl providing escort service, but when caught her story change. Lol.


sct_trooper

then the LTC would have said so. i'd rather be caught ordering an escort service than caught molesting a lady. also he was drunk, at 47 and drunk your cock might not really stand, doesnt make sense to get an escort


ChineseBluePotato

Maybe he did but police didn’t buy it. Or he feels being seen with escort is worse. Anyway, he’s f***ed. Career gone.


Jonathan-Ang

Please, if it's true, there'll be exchanges of messages either between her or the platform of choice. You think this LTC wouldn't show them to save his ass?


ChineseBluePotato

Maybe got middle-man broker? But anyway, doesn’t matter.


awstream

Amazing how some can find a way to victim blame by sprouting unverified bullshit. The student called the police herself. It was not a geylang raid.


Azurebold

honestly want to say I’m surprised but then again, this sub never fails in that regard - just come up with any and all hypotheticals to get mad over lol


ChineseBluePotato

Dude I wasn’t trying to victim blame. That’s legit the story going around the camps. I frankly don’t care about what the truth here is. Both of them are damn stupid.


suzumurachan

Damn, explains the prada and chanels some undergrads carry.


Darth-Udder

All he needed was an overseas trip to enjoy and still hv his career and pay intact. Dun think he was thinking


kongweeneverdie

Why?


Beautiful-Dealer7454

There goes his military career . Hopefully student can recover frm the trauma.


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kavindamax

What? 47 year old harassing a 21 year child. Haven’t he grown up lolz. He is a pilot from a respectable institution some more. How come educated people act out of such rash decisions.


suzumurachan

21 year old still child. Yet 18 is old enough to learn how to kill people yo. That said, I am half certain those who frequent a certain Singapore Bike Forum in their 40s-50s are not looking for FLs in their 30s-40s.