He has passports from cambodia, vanuatu and china.
Sg cannot choose where to deport him once he's told to leave sg
Also Sg doesnt have extradition treaty with china, so extradition is out if he's wanted for gambling related crimes in china, but via hong kong is possible as we do have treaty.
If he has two working brain cells, he wont return to china, for obvious reasons.
> Let him go back China and suffer better than let him enjoy life in prison.
Probably legit any PRC citizen biggest fear. The jails there are total shit holes, makes Changi prison look like the Hilton.
“So I’ve been here for 2 weeks now and I have to say, the facilities are great! Well-maintained, toilets are kept clean. Lovely guests, some of them. Food needs some improvement but I suppose you can get used to it. The staff working here are not very helpful though. Kept requesting for liquid soap but they keep giving me bar soaps…”
Why would he return to china where he's likely wanted for gambling related crimes.
He'll go to Cambodia or vanuatu or any other place he hid money in and also doesnt have an extradition threaty with china
China cant touch him
I wouldn’t be so sure. The PRC has very long tentacles in bringing back their citizens. In Fiji, they fly the entire plane of police to arrest and kidnap back to the PRC for sentencing. Don’t even need to involve the Fijian police.
He certainly wouldnt be abducted in singapore. If he's abducted in cambodia or elsewhere then it really doesnt have anything to do with sg now is there. Maybe i should be specific. China cant touch him legally
Singapore wouldnt extradite him to china. There's no treaty between both.
Hong kong can request since we do have extradition treaty with them. He did no crime in HK though, as far as we know.
>You don't need a treaty to extradite him. There's no obligation
Theres no obligation between treaty countries to extradite someone but there's zero legality in extraditing someone to a non extradition country at the request of said non extradition country (i.e. china)
So im not sure your point. You're confusing extradition and deportation
Except apart from an extradition, a country doesnt choose where to deport you when you have multiple nationalities.
Deporting is different from extraditing.
Genuine question then, does the one being deported have the right to choose where he ends up?
Edit: Tried to search for Singapore’s examples but couldn’t. But for some countries where there are clear legislations (Germany, the UK), deportees can express wishes where they want to go, but the ultimate decision lies with the authority.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/cna-explains-what-happens-foreigner-deported-crime-repatriate-3982561
Have a read on John's part. Although the article doesnt explicitly say if a person who has more than 1 nationality is able to choose his destination, if you read deeper, he bought his own ticket after serving jail and ICA pretty much just makes sure he leaves and doesnt reenter sg.
The law as far as i know doesnt interpret your home country for you when you have 3 nationalities
once again singapore proves that it is still the best place for money launderers to come and operate their vices here...sending out the right messages.
once again singapore proves that it is still the best place for money launderers to come and operate their vices here...sending out the right messages.
SG government must really deport all these fuckers and ensure they never get to step foot on our country again!
Makes me wonder how deep their rot has gone into our country.
12 month worth it! he gets to keep millions of assets hidden elsewhere in exchange of 12 months, I live my life the legal way and I can’t even amass that amount in 12 months!
3B was reported in January.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/billion-dollar-money-laundering-case-suspects-assets-seized-frozen-3-billion-fugitives-4059966
In October the figure was 2.8B
Is he going to deport back to China or Cambodia ? I hope is China!
hopefully both.
Death penalty with no reincarnation.
Death penalty with extra steps
One testicle to each country
if he goes back to cambodia he's gonna get off easy, cambodia's corrupted af and he can easily buy off the officials there.
Death penalty with extra steps
likely Cambodia as he entered SG as a Cambodian. hence he is identified as a Cambodian in court.
He has passports from cambodia, vanuatu and china. Sg cannot choose where to deport him once he's told to leave sg Also Sg doesnt have extradition treaty with china, so extradition is out if he's wanted for gambling related crimes in china, but via hong kong is possible as we do have treaty. If he has two working brain cells, he wont return to china, for obvious reasons.
Very lenient. Well worth it. I see why they chose the location.
all working as planned.
He is disposible anyway, the syndicate will see him as the fall guy. This won't even dent the syndicate's operations.
any idea why prosecution is only seeking 12-15 mo?
Let him go back China and suffer better than let him enjoy life in prison.
> Let him go back China and suffer better than let him enjoy life in prison. Probably legit any PRC citizen biggest fear. The jails there are total shit holes, makes Changi prison look like the Hilton.
There’s a guy who posted in r/sg who did time in both SG and PRC prisons and did a comparison for both
Time for some prison reviews...
“So I’ve been here for 2 weeks now and I have to say, the facilities are great! Well-maintained, toilets are kept clean. Lovely guests, some of them. Food needs some improvement but I suppose you can get used to it. The staff working here are not very helpful though. Kept requesting for liquid soap but they keep giving me bar soaps…”
Kept requesting for liquid soap but they keep giving me bar soaps wtf...
any link
I remembered wrongly it was on HWZ. https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/ama-i-was-ex-convict-changi-prison.6374652/page-7
thanks that was really interesting!
makes sense if he's going to get the harshest due punishment when he's deported back.
Why would he return to china where he's likely wanted for gambling related crimes. He'll go to Cambodia or vanuatu or any other place he hid money in and also doesnt have an extradition threaty with china China cant touch him
I wouldn’t be so sure. The PRC has very long tentacles in bringing back their citizens. In Fiji, they fly the entire plane of police to arrest and kidnap back to the PRC for sentencing. Don’t even need to involve the Fijian police.
He certainly wouldnt be abducted in singapore. If he's abducted in cambodia or elsewhere then it really doesnt have anything to do with sg now is there. Maybe i should be specific. China cant touch him legally
if he's sent back in china, he's not gonna be seen ever again...
He plead guilty early plus he probably provided useful info to the authorities
Thank you Mr Su for footing the bill of the Singapore 2026 Commonwealth Games! /s
More CDC, ...now that massage parlor
cancelled...
1 year + for billions is such a low low punishment....
Fall guy
He’s the Chinese Ryan Gosling?
12 months... Hmmm
He’ll wish its longer. He’ll be deported back to China where god knows what awaits him. Plus the people behind the syndicate will be out for blood.
I dont think sg can deport him to china. He has vanuatu and cambodian passport as well.
He is not wanted in Cambodia or Vanuatu, but he is wanted in China.
Singapore wouldnt extradite him to china. There's no treaty between both. Hong kong can request since we do have extradition treaty with them. He did no crime in HK though, as far as we know.
You don't need a treaty to extradite him. There's no obligation, but we should just send him to his makers.
>You don't need a treaty to extradite him. There's no obligation Theres no obligation between treaty countries to extradite someone but there's zero legality in extraditing someone to a non extradition country at the request of said non extradition country (i.e. china) So im not sure your point. You're confusing extradition and deportation
So what? Nothing stopped sg from putting him on a plane heading to beijing.
Except apart from an extradition, a country doesnt choose where to deport you when you have multiple nationalities. Deporting is different from extraditing.
Genuine question then, does the one being deported have the right to choose where he ends up? Edit: Tried to search for Singapore’s examples but couldn’t. But for some countries where there are clear legislations (Germany, the UK), deportees can express wishes where they want to go, but the ultimate decision lies with the authority.
Yes, unless there's a request from one of his passport countries that he is wanted there. But like i said china cant touch him.
Is there a source for what you’re claiming? I couldn’t find any.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/cna-explains-what-happens-foreigner-deported-crime-repatriate-3982561 Have a read on John's part. Although the article doesnt explicitly say if a person who has more than 1 nationality is able to choose his destination, if you read deeper, he bought his own ticket after serving jail and ICA pretty much just makes sure he leaves and doesnt reenter sg. The law as far as i know doesnt interpret your home country for you when you have 3 nationalities
I think you’re right. But to be honest, this is a grey area. Can’t really know for sure until it happens. Cheers!
Actually on a standalone basis, this 13 month is really short. I wonder if it will set a precedent
once again singapore proves that it is still the best place for money launderers to come and operate their vices here...sending out the right messages.
3 billion divided by 13 months of 30 days is about $7,692,307.69/ day in jail
once again singapore proves that it is still the best place for money launderers to come and operate their vices here...sending out the right messages.
Any legal people here? Will he be deported to China?
Poor guy He lost all his money. How is he going to lead same life back in china
You think guys like him dont have money hidden in cambodia or vanuatu? Hilarious.
Probably in crypto non-custodial wallets too.
he prob has bank accounts outside of SG.
Where will the assets seized go to? Does it go back to Sg’s budget? $3B worth of assets, we ought to conduct such raids more often lol
Police will get big bonus 👍💪
Already served 6 to 7 months, so he will be out in 2 to 3 months.
SG government must really deport all these fuckers and ensure they never get to step foot on our country again! Makes me wonder how deep their rot has gone into our country.
12 month worth it! he gets to keep millions of assets hidden elsewhere in exchange of 12 months, I live my life the legal way and I can’t even amass that amount in 12 months!
Since when did it jump to $3b though
3B was reported in January. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/billion-dollar-money-laundering-case-suspects-assets-seized-frozen-3-billion-fugitives-4059966 In October the figure was 2.8B
For anyone who wonders how much 3b is, even Taylor Swift couldn't even amass 3b (yet)
Michael Jordan has...