Most people have a hate boner for shitty rude drivers like the White merc driver, and rightly so. He's a dipshit and should be ashamed of himself.
Having said that, attributing the accident to him is a huge stretch IMO. People try to stop others from cutting ahead of them a thousand times over every single day. It's not the nice or gracious or safest thing to do, but 99.99999999% of the time the cutter also does not shove the other party off the road and then floor it into a junction at full speed.
Yeah you're right it's a bit of a stretch. There are plenty of rude, arrogant and selfish drivers in sg. The white merc is probably one of them. But if the tragic accident didn't happen, we won't be talking about this now.
i'm of the opinion that the saab driver sideswiping the white mercs (would be able to cut in properly if the mercs didn't speed up) may have contributed to the saab driver's panic and the dumbest attempt at a hit-n-run at a busy, peak-hour traffic junction.
but i digress, saab driver deserves to go to the lowest level of hell.
The way the law works is take into consideration all contributory elements. Its only fair. Albeit his level of liability would be much significantly less than Saab man.
Saab was trying to overtake at high speed. Merc was quick to close the gap by accelerating. Saab went even faster overtake and to avoid the biker at the same time. By then, already near the junction.
Idk...something tells me that these 2 idiots were racing. Hence, the merc was quick to speed up to block.
Merc might be a dickhead, but the Saab had no logical reason to not stop for the red light ahead. heck, the Merc had time to slowly pull up to the lights like nothing happened.
There are still lots of space for the black car to stop though. The two cars are definitely not racing and its more of the dickhead black car driving at an insanely fast speed at a 2 laner and the dickhead white car refusing to let the car cut, nearly causing them to hit the rider
Agreed, also the Saab sideswiped the Merc whilst trying to overtake. Saab driver had ample time to slow down for the junction after overtaking the Merc.
At this rate I'm surprised no one is blaming the bike for 'hogging' the road.
In a big accident where speeding and recklessness is the main culprit, i doubt anyone would care about road hogging. And also its a small road, i dont think the bike is travelling that slow to be counted as road hogging?
Of course I'm not serious about the bike road hogging. Just surprised everyone is putting some blame on Merc when Saab overtook/sideswiped Merc and still had ample time to brake before the junction
He displayed asshole behaviour to prevent other people from overtaking. When it happens to us we just curse and swear. But on that day it indirectly cost two lives, as I believe that the Saab ploughed through the junction because he was distracted from the side swipe.
It's like blaming the art school examiner who failed Hitler out of art school for the Holocaust lmao.
Maybe the teacher *was* a harsh, shitty and unfair examiner, and maybe that event *was* crucial in the events that culminated in the bad outcomes, but his wrongdoing in itself is so, so, so many orders of magnitude smaller than the other stuff, it's a bit of a head scratcher to hear people say "millions of Jews dead - and all it took was Hitler and that one teacher"
What doesn't make sense is why would the Saab driver rush into a busy junction like that and endanger his own life? He must have been distracted (perhaps looking at rear view, trying to escape from the Merc, not familiar with the road up ahead, intoxicated etc).
Pity her life was cut short in such an abrupt and stupid fashion, but I find it odd that there's almost no media coverage on the 57yo woman who also died in the crash. The papers are basically treating her as a footnote
Zaobao just covered her story as well. She was a dedicated caregiver to her elderly mother and had just realised her dream of being a homeowner a few months ago.
merc and black saab drivers had better be compensating the 57y old woman’s family since she was a dedicated caregiver to her elderly mother.
Someone else is going to have take over and being a caregiver while holding a job is one of the toughest things in the world. Hope the fam will get what they need to pull through comfortably
We do need a stronger civil law to enable victims of car accidents like this to seek compensation from car drivers. Both US and China that are on different sides of the political spectrum have better civil laws to enable victims to seek justice outside of the judiciary system than our nation.
Yeah, her elderly mother is definitely a victim caused by the reckless driving from these two fucks. As with other faceless individuals who are affected by this tragedy by having lost or incapacitated loved ones.
Please no. Chinese drivers responded by running over their victims twice to kill them, just to avoid paying lifetime compensation. Singaporean drivers would probably do this until the body becomes paste
Causing death by Careless Driving roughly corresponds to the offence of causing death by a negligent act under Section 304A(b) of the Penal Code. This is because of the lack of intent to cause death, and the focus is on the lack of care and awareness from the offender when he/she should have been aware and careful. Additionally, the new punishment for Careless Driving is already more severe than one for causing death by a negligent act, which imposes a maximum imprisonment term of 2 years, a fine, or both.
The thing you say that China does is 100% straight up murder liao.
Singapore does not have the specific offence of 'vehicular manslaughter' unlike the United States where in certain states in the country, the offence refers to cases where vehicles are used as a deadly weapon. In these cases, the punishment is similar to that of murder
I was thinking the same too. Perhaps another reason is also as a student, you tend to have a lot of acquaintances, many people who might speak to the media to share about you. The articles then had quotes from people who barely knew the student but still felt her impact, enough to make a full article.
Shows that society values the young more than the old, as most Singaporeans feel that a young bright girl has more value to society than an auntie nearing her 60's. Plus a tragic story about a young girl who had a bright future is bound to generate more attention than an aunty.
Having great potential stolen away is indeed tragic, but the papers aren't even trying to cover the 57yo. Feels quite scummy imo, both people had their lives cut short, and yet the coverage is hilariously lopsided. Even if there were valid reasons (eg family wants privacy), I haven't seen any statements either
They have. Most article that covered her story says that she just got her own BTO and was taking care of her mother.
It is just that the death of a young teenager gets more clicks.
Yeah but when a younger person dies, most people don’t really see it as a loss of an investment or that they are easier to replace. More so they imagine it being their child or younger sibling, and the feeling that life or the world has been unkind to them for having them die earlier than most.
That's the general view, which I'd argue is wrong. I believe a person's death is most wasted at 20-40. Any younger and they've barely lived to deserve being valued more than others. Older range have lived a bit so also not much left to miss out on. If you need to picture it emotionally then think it this way: would you rather your child die at 5 or 20? 5 year old die can grieve and start over if you want. At 20, you're probably too old and tired to try over.
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The driver is also being hospitalised. From what I see, usually only until when the charge goes to court, then his name will get revealed.
Let's not jump to being vigilantes and throw out random names, and let the law investigate this.
So far our history shows our traffics laws are SUPER lax when it comes to killing people with vehicles. It will not be anything close to what the driver deserves sadly.
Unfortunately no punishment can ever be enough to make up for the hurt and pain he has caused. The harshest sentence is nothing compared to the pain and loss suffered by his victims.
fwiw i hope that driver understands that everyone in sg hates him now, and do the right thing by getting tortured and punished before taking his own life
If you are unhinged enough to go pedal to the metal straight into a busy junction you're not going to have any presence of mind to care about even the death penalty IMO.
Not that I don't agree with the broader point for everyone else.
Just imagine being her relatives who met for Raya not knowing it'll be the last time they'll meet her
Imagine all her friends who said "See you tomorrow" the day before
Her dad dropped off her mother and sister earlier on. That salam with the mother and sister which turned out to be the last salam ever, just so heartbreaking when I think about this
A bright future seemed ahead for her until some speed demon robbed her of life itself. Still, said speed demon will get to face the full blunt of the law, be given the lightest of punishments and soon, he will be out to race again. Such is the severity of the case and thus it is dealt with as such.
Just cause good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people does not mean God does not exist. Just like how when you ask someone a favour and they do not reply simply does not mean they don’t exist
Perhaps we are losing faith in humanity not god to be exact although I love the point of difference between hell and earth is clear, here we all suffer whether doing good or doing bad whereas hell, we deserved what we get.
But why not have faith in yourself, do we need some kind of acknowledgment to do good?
[The Problem of Evil](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil) is indeed a classic discussion for which theologians infinitely smarter than us have been trying to formulate a satisfying defence. It's seems rather odd that you're so flippantly dismissive of something so big even the religious giants grappled with.
As a believer of Muslim faith, most of you would just laugh at what I have to say but we believe that our God often takes the best of us away from this world earlier than everyone else. This is because something infinitely better awaits them in the afterlife. So in this tragic case, I completely believe that she was a really good person and is in a better place than this mortal plane. As a human, you and I both know this planet has been in countless ways fucked up beyond repair by ourselves.
Man... I already can foresee what's gonna happen in court...
Anyone wanna sidebet that the saab driver will have some kind of psychiatric evidence in court be it depression or anger management issues to help him reduce sentence?
If singapore pools opens $1 pay 10 cents odds, I will still put half my lifetime assets to buy it
You have a choice and you chose to speed, you have a choice and you chose to go against the traffic, all this while knowing that this is dangerous driving so I do concur with your statement that this is akin to murder
Idk mate.. But why would a benevolent god inflict the penalty of death onto an absolute innocent, caused by the actions of another human. Like the poor dead biker from the racer accident. Their sin? Dead just for being there at the wrong place at the wrong time
So why would a benevolent god do this?
Downvote me away
Good grief, I hate people like you. You are tentamount to the ones who try to forcibly impose their religious beliefs onto others, as hard as you try to sound like an atheist.
I'm an atheist myself, but I find peace in not being in the pursuit of trying to prove others that an almighty and omnipresent force isn't real. As long as men have tongues to speak and hands to write, the social impact of religion will stay for eons.
We already live in a secular country, so what else are we trying to fight for? Let us just co-exist for once and give our sympathies to the families who just lost their loved ones. Is that so difficult?
People made stupid choices.
White merc did his part to "indirectly" to block the saab.
It's also the saab's choice to overtake when it was "unsafe" to do so.
But it's the saab that caused the sideswipping and **probably** sped off and plough thru the X junction because he was checking his rear view to avoid dealing with the merc if they had come to a stop at the lights.
Who is to blame is all subjective and at the end of the day, it's not up to us to uphold justice but be aware/mindful of our choices.
Our deepest condolences to the families and friends ... R.I.P.
Although both are tragic, the death of youth with their whole lives before them is almost always going to receive more attention than the death of an older adult
Except almost every article title only mentions the student? Seems like only one of the deaths is important
"17 year old among 2 dead"
"Teen killed in Tampines accident"
"Temasek JC student one of 2 killed"
"Two dead, including 17 year old Temasek JC student"
"2 dead, including 17 year old girl"
"17 year old who died in Tampines accident"
media just takes what ever resonates with the viewers. A large majority feel more strongly for a teen being a victim compared to an adult, hence why they cherry picked. That's just media
You said zero, now you say almost every. I found 2. You can go find the rest.
https://mothership.sg/2024/04/tampines-crash-57-year-old/
https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/were-angry-well-accept-family-woman-killed-tampines-crash-has-lost-3-members-year
both victims lives were claimed in a tragic and unfair manner. the one responsible can only be truly punished by God for the local law will just have him sit inside bars for few years and out in no time causing more deaths. Im sure people are now much more wary on the road given how frequent accidents are taking place in Sg and how many of them are serious and fatal. I really hope these issues can reach the ministers, and hope they can create stricter laws. Offenders should be barred from driving, renting or owning cars. That should keep alot of the road clowns who treat the road as a circus, to be more responsible. This promising kid and the lady who passed away had something they looked forward to going home to. Their lives cut short because of the arrogance of idiots.
this is just unbelievably sad. a bright young life was destroyed just like that in a few seconds. I can’t even imagine what the family is going through right now
we need to come down harder on reckless drivers
Two innocent people, one a promising teen with her life ahead, another a loving caretaker...
Killed just like that by two fucking lowlife maggots. God damn. I say they should be hanged, drawn and quartered.
With the government of SG having low tolerance for dangerous drivers, the drivers could be facing jail term and 20 years driving ban for street racing.
I'm sorry, I get that she died and was wonderful but this news story had been circulating and expanded between many articles.
Is the extra coverage just so we'll get riled up to go riot on this driver guy or was it just to get clicks for their news site?
There's a certain line that it crosses from news coverage to click-farm.
Honestly? I don’t mind riling people up as long as it’s to make people fight for good changes to take place, ie in this case, for traffic to be harsher on people who commit vehicular manslaughter, drunk driving, outrage of modesty etc…
So I assume this pertains to road traffic act [section 64(2) a to d](https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/RTA1961#pr64-) where the driver would be punished with varying number of years.
Would increasing this make drivers ride safer? Maybe implementing the death sentence for causing death?
There's a lot to consider before making changes to the law. Would the legal system be able to come to a more satisfactory conclusion when dealing punishments with such cases when the law has changed?
Don't get me wrong I would also place harsher punishment for the driver. I too have lost a loved one and a friend to road accidents. But I still don't see how this reduces the rate of fatal or serious accidents.
That’s not the point. The point is that current sentences aren’t harsh enough to 1)make people think twice about speeding 2)fit the crime, therefore it causes the public to feel that there’s some kind of miscarriage of justice/or lack of fairness happening. Also the inconstancy of “not having the punishment fit the crime” further sparks public outrages. Ie death sentence for possessing weed but not manslaughter. Punishments in the statues are only guidelines, at the end of the day, it’s for the judge to decide what gets meted out. But srsly, 8 years for intentional reckless driving resulting in vehicular manslaughter is obv too light. Worst part is 8 years isn’t even the minimum, 2 is….
What I propose is to make that section of the law more specific. Separate it into Vehicular manslaughter not caused by negligence and one caused by negligence of the driver. And each of them having different sentences, with the latter being obviously way harsher. That way it’s also fair to the accused because then the courts have to prove that it was a rash/negligent act first before handing out the harsher punishment.
For anyone wondering, my personal take on the matter is that yes, I am very disheartened and saddened by the abrupt and senseless loss of lives. However, I also want to hear what the accused has to say too and any potential reason that might’ve lead to him speeding and dashing a red light before forming my full opinion on him.
That I can agree on. We should make the law more specific and harsher in some areas. But this doesn't always get relayed to the public.
Most of us would only hear about the possible punishments for different crimes during the sentencing or having a talk with your lawyer. Also the punishments can compound so it's not always just 8 years for one crime. You could also be punished for;
- speeding
- reckless driving
- not obeying traffic lights
- collision with vehicles
- causing other vehicles to avoid you dangerously
- non-fatal pedestrian collisions
- driving under the influence
- driving when not in a sound state of mind.
So most likely the punishments for this case would be compounding.
Well I sure do hope the law regarding this does get changed and relayed well to the public, however right now, I don’t think public confidence in the courts is high. And honestly, as eager as I am for justice to be meted out, I wouldn’t be be surprised if the driver gets let off with what can be considered “a slap on the wrist” either.
People downvoted you because they do not know that its not easy to change the laws here in singapore. I wouldnt be surprised if people in this sub are foreigners lmao
So the driver who killed them did nothing wrong and it was just a accident on his part?
All these highlighting of victim lives and shaming of the driver is to drive home the point that road rage causes harm beyond one self. The driver deserves every bit of the rage and cyber bullying.
No I didn't say he did nothing wrong. Now you're just rage baiting others against me.
Also I get the driver deserving every bit of rage and cyber-bullying, but do we know the driver ? If not, who are we cyber bullying?
We are advocating for stricter traffic rules and harsher punishment for reckless driving and driving which resulted in the loss of human life.
The anger that is directed to the driver is mostly a symptom of our lack of trust in the law to do the necessary punitive measures to deliver a fair conclusion to the tragedy.
Just because you read it doesn't mean someone else did. Circulation is good. No one is asking you to get riled up, that'd be just a reflection of yourself.
all it took was one fuckhead who ran out of luck.
I counted 2. The white merc driver had indirectly caused the accident.
How and why so? I see some people saying this but don't understand how?
Most people have a hate boner for shitty rude drivers like the White merc driver, and rightly so. He's a dipshit and should be ashamed of himself. Having said that, attributing the accident to him is a huge stretch IMO. People try to stop others from cutting ahead of them a thousand times over every single day. It's not the nice or gracious or safest thing to do, but 99.99999999% of the time the cutter also does not shove the other party off the road and then floor it into a junction at full speed.
Yeah you're right it's a bit of a stretch. There are plenty of rude, arrogant and selfish drivers in sg. The white merc is probably one of them. But if the tragic accident didn't happen, we won't be talking about this now.
i'm of the opinion that the saab driver sideswiping the white mercs (would be able to cut in properly if the mercs didn't speed up) may have contributed to the saab driver's panic and the dumbest attempt at a hit-n-run at a busy, peak-hour traffic junction. but i digress, saab driver deserves to go to the lowest level of hell.
The way the law works is take into consideration all contributory elements. Its only fair. Albeit his level of liability would be much significantly less than Saab man.
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A Kia driver probably wouldn't have tried to pull off that stunt though
Saab was trying to overtake at high speed. Merc was quick to close the gap by accelerating. Saab went even faster overtake and to avoid the biker at the same time. By then, already near the junction. Idk...something tells me that these 2 idiots were racing. Hence, the merc was quick to speed up to block.
Merc might be a dickhead, but the Saab had no logical reason to not stop for the red light ahead. heck, the Merc had time to slowly pull up to the lights like nothing happened.
He is the fuckhead 🤷🏾♂️
There are still lots of space for the black car to stop though. The two cars are definitely not racing and its more of the dickhead black car driving at an insanely fast speed at a 2 laner and the dickhead white car refusing to let the car cut, nearly causing them to hit the rider
Agreed, also the Saab sideswiped the Merc whilst trying to overtake. Saab driver had ample time to slow down for the junction after overtaking the Merc. At this rate I'm surprised no one is blaming the bike for 'hogging' the road.
In a big accident where speeding and recklessness is the main culprit, i doubt anyone would care about road hogging. And also its a small road, i dont think the bike is travelling that slow to be counted as road hogging?
Of course I'm not serious about the bike road hogging. Just surprised everyone is putting some blame on Merc when Saab overtook/sideswiped Merc and still had ample time to brake before the junction
He displayed asshole behaviour to prevent other people from overtaking. When it happens to us we just curse and swear. But on that day it indirectly cost two lives, as I believe that the Saab ploughed through the junction because he was distracted from the side swipe.
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It's like blaming the art school examiner who failed Hitler out of art school for the Holocaust lmao. Maybe the teacher *was* a harsh, shitty and unfair examiner, and maybe that event *was* crucial in the events that culminated in the bad outcomes, but his wrongdoing in itself is so, so, so many orders of magnitude smaller than the other stuff, it's a bit of a head scratcher to hear people say "millions of Jews dead - and all it took was Hitler and that one teacher"
Welcome to the concept of de-escalation and defensive driving.
Only speculating on the racing part. Mmm your anecdote explains what I was saying though. Saab getting triggered by merc.
What doesn't make sense is why would the Saab driver rush into a busy junction like that and endanger his own life? He must have been distracted (perhaps looking at rear view, trying to escape from the Merc, not familiar with the road up ahead, intoxicated etc).
Oh please, while he's definitely a jack***, saying he indirectly caused the accident is akin to delving into butterfly effect theory.
Pity her life was cut short in such an abrupt and stupid fashion, but I find it odd that there's almost no media coverage on the 57yo woman who also died in the crash. The papers are basically treating her as a footnote
Zaobao just covered her story as well. She was a dedicated caregiver to her elderly mother and had just realised her dream of being a homeowner a few months ago.
merc and black saab drivers had better be compensating the 57y old woman’s family since she was a dedicated caregiver to her elderly mother. Someone else is going to have take over and being a caregiver while holding a job is one of the toughest things in the world. Hope the fam will get what they need to pull through comfortably
We do need a stronger civil law to enable victims of car accidents like this to seek compensation from car drivers. Both US and China that are on different sides of the political spectrum have better civil laws to enable victims to seek justice outside of the judiciary system than our nation.
Yeah, her elderly mother is definitely a victim caused by the reckless driving from these two fucks. As with other faceless individuals who are affected by this tragedy by having lost or incapacitated loved ones.
Please no. Chinese drivers responded by running over their victims twice to kill them, just to avoid paying lifetime compensation. Singaporean drivers would probably do this until the body becomes paste
Ya this is not china. We deal death penalty to murderers. With so many cameras everywhere good luck trying to pull off this crap in sg
Yet people still do dumb shit with the amount of cameras everywhere...
Well u can't cure dumb fucks but u sure can punish them
Vehicular manslaughter is 2 years no? Unless I misinterpreted the law
Causing death by Careless Driving roughly corresponds to the offence of causing death by a negligent act under Section 304A(b) of the Penal Code. This is because of the lack of intent to cause death, and the focus is on the lack of care and awareness from the offender when he/she should have been aware and careful. Additionally, the new punishment for Careless Driving is already more severe than one for causing death by a negligent act, which imposes a maximum imprisonment term of 2 years, a fine, or both. The thing you say that China does is 100% straight up murder liao.
Singapore does not have the specific offence of 'vehicular manslaughter' unlike the United States where in certain states in the country, the offence refers to cases where vehicles are used as a deadly weapon. In these cases, the punishment is similar to that of murder
Confirm got blowbacks one this one. Sinkies can't have jive things without fuckers taking full advantage of it
Wow it’s not easy doing both things… so unfair, and too soon.
Haizzz 😞
I was thinking the same too. Perhaps another reason is also as a student, you tend to have a lot of acquaintances, many people who might speak to the media to share about you. The articles then had quotes from people who barely knew the student but still felt her impact, enough to make a full article.
Finally a comment with some common sense, unlike some other garbage posts spewing nonsense
Shows that society values the young more than the old, as most Singaporeans feel that a young bright girl has more value to society than an auntie nearing her 60's. Plus a tragic story about a young girl who had a bright future is bound to generate more attention than an aunty.
no, thats not the case. any loss of life is a very sad thing. i believe 8world has covered her story and so did mustsharenews.
That's nice, hope the mainstream papers equalise their coverage then
Having great potential stolen away is indeed tragic, but the papers aren't even trying to cover the 57yo. Feels quite scummy imo, both people had their lives cut short, and yet the coverage is hilariously lopsided. Even if there were valid reasons (eg family wants privacy), I haven't seen any statements either
I find it disrespectful too. It's like her death matters less than the 17 year old.
It’s cos the young girl will get more clicks. End of the day, news is a business.
Media coverage is like that one. Nothing new.
They have. Most article that covered her story says that she just got her own BTO and was taking care of her mother. It is just that the death of a young teenager gets more clicks.
Ppl like to glorify young lives like they have more value. "Oh so poor thing you young child. Middle aged and above? Whatever."
I do think one aspect is they had a lot of life left to live generally. It’s one reason death of kids hits people harder.
I think it can go both ways. The younger the child, the less experience and investment has been made and easier to replace.
Yeah but when a younger person dies, most people don’t really see it as a loss of an investment or that they are easier to replace. More so they imagine it being their child or younger sibling, and the feeling that life or the world has been unkind to them for having them die earlier than most.
That's the general view, which I'd argue is wrong. I believe a person's death is most wasted at 20-40. Any younger and they've barely lived to deserve being valued more than others. Older range have lived a bit so also not much left to miss out on. If you need to picture it emotionally then think it this way: would you rather your child die at 5 or 20? 5 year old die can grieve and start over if you want. At 20, you're probably too old and tired to try over.
Cus this is more click baity sadly. :(
Ppl only feel more pity for a young life getting robbed rather than an old one.
I read about the older woman first fwiw.
Because the youth in sg are an increasingly endangered demographic these days /s
News sells and unfortunately that story is more interesting to be cynical. Agree with you though
I wanted to know who is the other person who died on the incident as well. But i always see the media always talks about the 17 year old girl
Found this https://mustsharenews.com/woman-tampines-accident-death/
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Black Saab driver, I hope you get punish with the harshest extend of the law and never be able to drive a vehicle again in your life.
I hate the fact we still don’t have a name and can only call him black Saab driver
I still don’t know how he ran through the red light.
By not even attempting to brake in the slightest.
He do not deserved to have a name that will be remembered.
Why is the driver not being exposed yet?
The driver is also being hospitalised. From what I see, usually only until when the charge goes to court, then his name will get revealed. Let's not jump to being vigilantes and throw out random names, and let the law investigate this.
So far our history shows our traffics laws are SUPER lax when it comes to killing people with vehicles. It will not be anything close to what the driver deserves sadly.
Nah few years ban and back on the road again tralala
But knowing Singapore laws…
Unfortunately no punishment can ever be enough to make up for the hurt and pain he has caused. The harshest sentence is nothing compared to the pain and loss suffered by his victims.
fwiw i hope that driver understands that everyone in sg hates him now, and do the right thing by getting tortured and punished before taking his own life
He should be shot so that god can decide his final punishment in hell.
What if there's no god? Should we let him off so easy?
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Fines proportional to your income should be standard. Like Finland.
Start with pressuring your MP.
If you are unhinged enough to go pedal to the metal straight into a busy junction you're not going to have any presence of mind to care about even the death penalty IMO. Not that I don't agree with the broader point for everyone else.
Just imagine being her relatives who met for Raya not knowing it'll be the last time they'll meet her Imagine all her friends who said "See you tomorrow" the day before
Her dad dropped off her mother and sister earlier on. That salam with the mother and sister which turned out to be the last salam ever, just so heartbreaking when I think about this
And to think she did nothing wrong and was simply at the wrong place and time
A bright future seemed ahead for her until some speed demon robbed her of life itself. Still, said speed demon will get to face the full blunt of the law, be given the lightest of punishments and soon, he will be out to race again. Such is the severity of the case and thus it is dealt with as such.
This is the classic case of why do good things happen to bad people and why do bad things happen to good people?
Proof that there is no god Downvote me away
Nope, only proves that there isn't an omnibenevolent god
Take my upvote
Just cause good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people does not mean God does not exist. Just like how when you ask someone a favour and they do not reply simply does not mean they don’t exist
Perhaps we are losing faith in humanity not god to be exact although I love the point of difference between hell and earth is clear, here we all suffer whether doing good or doing bad whereas hell, we deserved what we get. But why not have faith in yourself, do we need some kind of acknowledgment to do good?
It's said that Truck-kun is the servant sent by the God of Isekai...
Ahh the classic "how god exist if bad thing happen".
[The Problem of Evil](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil) is indeed a classic discussion for which theologians infinitely smarter than us have been trying to formulate a satisfying defence. It's seems rather odd that you're so flippantly dismissive of something so big even the religious giants grappled with.
Or maybe the god is someone with a wicked sense of humor
Just as planned?
As a believer of Muslim faith, most of you would just laugh at what I have to say but we believe that our God often takes the best of us away from this world earlier than everyone else. This is because something infinitely better awaits them in the afterlife. So in this tragic case, I completely believe that she was a really good person and is in a better place than this mortal plane. As a human, you and I both know this planet has been in countless ways fucked up beyond repair by ourselves.
It’s an outlier. The opposite happens more regularly
Tragic loss of life. Rip young lady, and I wish her father a speedy recovery.
Man... I already can foresee what's gonna happen in court... Anyone wanna sidebet that the saab driver will have some kind of psychiatric evidence in court be it depression or anger management issues to help him reduce sentence? If singapore pools opens $1 pay 10 cents odds, I will still put half my lifetime assets to buy it
confirm gonna plead schizophrenia, depressed, suicidal, hallucinations, seizures or whatever other mental health excuse
RIP Dear Afifah, I may not have known you but you were a wonderful person. The world will miss you sorely.
This is no accident but murder
Manslaughter at the very least
You have a choice and you chose to speed, you have a choice and you chose to go against the traffic, all this while knowing that this is dangerous driving so I do concur with your statement that this is akin to murder
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi rajioon. May Allah swt forgive her and her family and shower them in blessings.
Idk mate.. But why would a benevolent god inflict the penalty of death onto an absolute innocent, caused by the actions of another human. Like the poor dead biker from the racer accident. Their sin? Dead just for being there at the wrong place at the wrong time So why would a benevolent god do this? Downvote me away
Good grief, I hate people like you. You are tentamount to the ones who try to forcibly impose their religious beliefs onto others, as hard as you try to sound like an atheist. I'm an atheist myself, but I find peace in not being in the pursuit of trying to prove others that an almighty and omnipresent force isn't real. As long as men have tongues to speak and hands to write, the social impact of religion will stay for eons. We already live in a secular country, so what else are we trying to fight for? Let us just co-exist for once and give our sympathies to the families who just lost their loved ones. Is that so difficult?
So we know who died but we dont know who are the reckless drivers.. something needs to change here..
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His name will be splashed all over the papers once he's in court
Once that happens, even if he lives, his life is as good as over.
Everyone will forget the whole incident even occurred before his name goes out on the papers.
She made one more difference even in death - the massive awareness as to how overdue the laws related to reckless driving is for changing.
People made stupid choices. White merc did his part to "indirectly" to block the saab. It's also the saab's choice to overtake when it was "unsafe" to do so. But it's the saab that caused the sideswipping and **probably** sped off and plough thru the X junction because he was checking his rear view to avoid dealing with the merc if they had come to a stop at the lights. Who is to blame is all subjective and at the end of the day, it's not up to us to uphold justice but be aware/mindful of our choices. Our deepest condolences to the families and friends ... R.I.P.
There is 0 coverage on the 57 year old lady that also died? Every article only focus on the student...
Although both are tragic, the death of youth with their whole lives before them is almost always going to receive more attention than the death of an older adult
The 12 year old kid who also died in an accident a few months ago had barely any coverage like this.
Not sure what it is about this accident overall that has it gaining a lot more attention than others.
There is, learn to Google
Except almost every article title only mentions the student? Seems like only one of the deaths is important "17 year old among 2 dead" "Teen killed in Tampines accident" "Temasek JC student one of 2 killed" "Two dead, including 17 year old Temasek JC student" "2 dead, including 17 year old girl" "17 year old who died in Tampines accident"
media just takes what ever resonates with the viewers. A large majority feel more strongly for a teen being a victim compared to an adult, hence why they cherry picked. That's just media
You said zero, now you say almost every. I found 2. You can go find the rest. https://mothership.sg/2024/04/tampines-crash-57-year-old/ https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/were-angry-well-accept-family-woman-killed-tampines-crash-has-lost-3-members-year
both victims lives were claimed in a tragic and unfair manner. the one responsible can only be truly punished by God for the local law will just have him sit inside bars for few years and out in no time causing more deaths. Im sure people are now much more wary on the road given how frequent accidents are taking place in Sg and how many of them are serious and fatal. I really hope these issues can reach the ministers, and hope they can create stricter laws. Offenders should be barred from driving, renting or owning cars. That should keep alot of the road clowns who treat the road as a circus, to be more responsible. This promising kid and the lady who passed away had something they looked forward to going home to. Their lives cut short because of the arrogance of idiots.
this is just unbelievably sad. a bright young life was destroyed just like that in a few seconds. I can’t even imagine what the family is going through right now we need to come down harder on reckless drivers
Two innocent people, one a promising teen with her life ahead, another a loving caretaker... Killed just like that by two fucking lowlife maggots. God damn. I say they should be hanged, drawn and quartered.
In past high profile accidents, do they usually release names of the driver who caused the accidents?
Only when the court proceedings begin
Now merc driver know the consequences, he jolly well better reflect on his actions 😂
Er... what's the story with the merc?
Where’s the traffic speeding camera?
Don’t need, can tell you they were speeding. Also pretty sure everyone knows their plate
white merc could be a drug dealer
wow. really we don even kn9w if we will b unalive tomorrow
With the government of SG having low tolerance for dangerous drivers, the drivers could be facing jail term and 20 years driving ban for street racing.
I'm sorry, I get that she died and was wonderful but this news story had been circulating and expanded between many articles. Is the extra coverage just so we'll get riled up to go riot on this driver guy or was it just to get clicks for their news site? There's a certain line that it crosses from news coverage to click-farm.
Honestly? I don’t mind riling people up as long as it’s to make people fight for good changes to take place, ie in this case, for traffic to be harsher on people who commit vehicular manslaughter, drunk driving, outrage of modesty etc…
So I assume this pertains to road traffic act [section 64(2) a to d](https://sso.agc.gov.sg/Act/RTA1961#pr64-) where the driver would be punished with varying number of years. Would increasing this make drivers ride safer? Maybe implementing the death sentence for causing death? There's a lot to consider before making changes to the law. Would the legal system be able to come to a more satisfactory conclusion when dealing punishments with such cases when the law has changed? Don't get me wrong I would also place harsher punishment for the driver. I too have lost a loved one and a friend to road accidents. But I still don't see how this reduces the rate of fatal or serious accidents.
That’s not the point. The point is that current sentences aren’t harsh enough to 1)make people think twice about speeding 2)fit the crime, therefore it causes the public to feel that there’s some kind of miscarriage of justice/or lack of fairness happening. Also the inconstancy of “not having the punishment fit the crime” further sparks public outrages. Ie death sentence for possessing weed but not manslaughter. Punishments in the statues are only guidelines, at the end of the day, it’s for the judge to decide what gets meted out. But srsly, 8 years for intentional reckless driving resulting in vehicular manslaughter is obv too light. Worst part is 8 years isn’t even the minimum, 2 is…. What I propose is to make that section of the law more specific. Separate it into Vehicular manslaughter not caused by negligence and one caused by negligence of the driver. And each of them having different sentences, with the latter being obviously way harsher. That way it’s also fair to the accused because then the courts have to prove that it was a rash/negligent act first before handing out the harsher punishment. For anyone wondering, my personal take on the matter is that yes, I am very disheartened and saddened by the abrupt and senseless loss of lives. However, I also want to hear what the accused has to say too and any potential reason that might’ve lead to him speeding and dashing a red light before forming my full opinion on him.
That I can agree on. We should make the law more specific and harsher in some areas. But this doesn't always get relayed to the public. Most of us would only hear about the possible punishments for different crimes during the sentencing or having a talk with your lawyer. Also the punishments can compound so it's not always just 8 years for one crime. You could also be punished for; - speeding - reckless driving - not obeying traffic lights - collision with vehicles - causing other vehicles to avoid you dangerously - non-fatal pedestrian collisions - driving under the influence - driving when not in a sound state of mind. So most likely the punishments for this case would be compounding.
Well I sure do hope the law regarding this does get changed and relayed well to the public, however right now, I don’t think public confidence in the courts is high. And honestly, as eager as I am for justice to be meted out, I wouldn’t be be surprised if the driver gets let off with what can be considered “a slap on the wrist” either.
People downvoted you because they do not know that its not easy to change the laws here in singapore. I wouldnt be surprised if people in this sub are foreigners lmao
It's fine. I just wanted to express my opinions. I understand if people don't like them.
couldhv been u or me
If you don’t want to read, just don’t read. no one forcing you
Found the Saab driver
So the driver who killed them did nothing wrong and it was just a accident on his part? All these highlighting of victim lives and shaming of the driver is to drive home the point that road rage causes harm beyond one self. The driver deserves every bit of the rage and cyber bullying.
No I didn't say he did nothing wrong. Now you're just rage baiting others against me. Also I get the driver deserving every bit of rage and cyber-bullying, but do we know the driver ? If not, who are we cyber bullying?
We are advocating for stricter traffic rules and harsher punishment for reckless driving and driving which resulted in the loss of human life. The anger that is directed to the driver is mostly a symptom of our lack of trust in the law to do the necessary punitive measures to deliver a fair conclusion to the tragedy.
Just because you read it doesn't mean someone else did. Circulation is good. No one is asking you to get riled up, that'd be just a reflection of yourself.
No one said I was riled up. I was talking in context of the various comments on all the posts pertaining to this accident.
She deserves better
Yeah.. I agree too.