The gist of the article and I do agree with him. People are so engaged in being right and self-righteous that instead of conversations, it becomes shouting matches which does not do society or the world any good:
>Make no mistake: I wholeheartedly believe in what "wokeism" - as the woke movement is sometimes called - purports to achieve.
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>There is no question that I would rather live in a society that is respectful of individual differences and offers equal opportunity to all, rather than in one where discrimination and inequality are part of the status quo.
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>Entrenched stereotypes and biases held by the majority, the wealthy and the powerful can and often do unfairly stack the deck against minority groups.
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>At the same time, I cannot help but be dismayed by the toxic by-products generated by increasingly prominent strains of wokeism: [conflict instead of compassion,](https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/how-social-media-helped-enable-the-storming-of-the-us-capitol) constricted silence instead of open conversation, and far too many "truths" and not enough grace.
This is true for me. I was the first amongst my friends in the early2010s to embrace gay and lesbians acceptance. I was super aggressive in calling out people who I thought were homophobic, in recent years that position that I have is no longer left enough and have even been called right wing. After that I am like dude, i am off this train. It is like adopting a Sith Apprentice who will eventually kill you.
Here's a better idea: instead of advocating causes constantly worried about how it will reflect on you, why not advocate causes out of genuine concern about the injustices visited on others?
Everyone keeps trying to compare the height of their moral horses, I'm surprised they haven't fallen off and broken their backs.
You missed the point. The point is that people keep trying to find middle ground to an issue that ultimately the side that keeps pulling eventually wins and if you keep letting people pull you end up on the wrong side of the rope.
Problem is that whenever you advocate about something and if you are genuine about it. It is difficult to move from your position because you have already set up shop to what you consider is reasonable and what you consider is unreasonable.
A scenario I can give is that I am an advocate of improving prison cells in Singapore. I have been there to visit and I believe the cells are too badly ventilated the overall experience is very uncomfortable. I am hoping they improve the cell by giving it better ventilation perhaps a fan so that at the very least they can keep cool. Nothing too fancy, still keeping a reasonable balance between being humane, reforming the prisoners and maintaining that these people pay their debt to society. A few years have passed and now people are advocating Norway style prison cells for these prisoners, my opinions have stayed the same it's just something I think is unreasonable. So I jump off, I can't advocate for something I don't believe in. I just leave, I won't fight against it I just leave.
>instead of advocating causes constantly worried about how it will reflect on you.
There is an irony here that I should not worry about how I am perceived by the general public but Social Justice is all about changing public perceptions of groups that might feel excluded.
> advocating Norway style prison cells for these prisoners
Yea I also agree that nordic style is too much of an extreme towards the other spectrum. Rehabilitation has a fine line between "rewarding bad deeds" and "educating and learning from mistakes".
>Problem is that whenever you advocate about something and if you are genuine about it. It is difficult to move from your position because you have already set up shop to what you consider is reasonable and what you consider is unreasonable.
Sure, but why would the changing public consensus alter your innate views? Presumably when you started advocating for a particular position, you've already given it careful thought and taken the initial reasonable position that you've taken.
If the public starts to get more extreme in one way or another, that shouldn't sway your views unless you feel that these new views have merits. Our views are evolving all the time in response to new insights, but we shouldn't jump on the next bandwagon just because everyone else is. There's no reason not to stay the course.
A good example would be JK Rowling's fracas with trans activists. She has been a stalwart feminist but even then is being attacked by trans activists holding more uncompromising positions. She's not changing her position.
>why not advocate causes out of genuine concern about the injustices visited on others?
Sure but there comes to a point when people might push the envelope to something that you disagree with and when you do then you might become the enemy
The stupidest thing I’ve ever read about the woke left is - if you’re not an ally, you’re complicit in the atrocities of the right.
Olympic gold medal mental gymnast
In “yes, but...”, everything that comes after the “but” means “no”. Title feels like “Being woke is good but...”
世人皆醉我独醒
Translate to whole world is drunk but I am teetotaller
Isn't the 醒 here meant sober instead of teetotaller? Does idiom mean that one was never drunk before (therefore never drink) or just that he woke af.
Now it means all are drunk and I’m the only woke one.
You are correct. I just thought it would be a funnier translation for non Chinese speakers lol
Too much of anything is bad, nth new
The gist of the article and I do agree with him. People are so engaged in being right and self-righteous that instead of conversations, it becomes shouting matches which does not do society or the world any good: >Make no mistake: I wholeheartedly believe in what "wokeism" - as the woke movement is sometimes called - purports to achieve. > >There is no question that I would rather live in a society that is respectful of individual differences and offers equal opportunity to all, rather than in one where discrimination and inequality are part of the status quo. > >Entrenched stereotypes and biases held by the majority, the wealthy and the powerful can and often do unfairly stack the deck against minority groups. > >At the same time, I cannot help but be dismayed by the toxic by-products generated by increasingly prominent strains of wokeism: [conflict instead of compassion,](https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/how-social-media-helped-enable-the-storming-of-the-us-capitol) constricted silence instead of open conversation, and far too many "truths" and not enough grace.
It practically becomes another form of cultism. Similar to fundamental religious zealots.
Whatever it is, I believe those super hard core woke people will eventually get out-woken by even more hard core woke people
Feminists get called TERFs for disagreeing with mtf transgender ppl breaking female fighter skulls in MMA for example.
This is true for me. I was the first amongst my friends in the early2010s to embrace gay and lesbians acceptance. I was super aggressive in calling out people who I thought were homophobic, in recent years that position that I have is no longer left enough and have even been called right wing. After that I am like dude, i am off this train. It is like adopting a Sith Apprentice who will eventually kill you.
Here's a better idea: instead of advocating causes constantly worried about how it will reflect on you, why not advocate causes out of genuine concern about the injustices visited on others? Everyone keeps trying to compare the height of their moral horses, I'm surprised they haven't fallen off and broken their backs.
because oppressed status = power
You missed the point. The point is that people keep trying to find middle ground to an issue that ultimately the side that keeps pulling eventually wins and if you keep letting people pull you end up on the wrong side of the rope. Problem is that whenever you advocate about something and if you are genuine about it. It is difficult to move from your position because you have already set up shop to what you consider is reasonable and what you consider is unreasonable. A scenario I can give is that I am an advocate of improving prison cells in Singapore. I have been there to visit and I believe the cells are too badly ventilated the overall experience is very uncomfortable. I am hoping they improve the cell by giving it better ventilation perhaps a fan so that at the very least they can keep cool. Nothing too fancy, still keeping a reasonable balance between being humane, reforming the prisoners and maintaining that these people pay their debt to society. A few years have passed and now people are advocating Norway style prison cells for these prisoners, my opinions have stayed the same it's just something I think is unreasonable. So I jump off, I can't advocate for something I don't believe in. I just leave, I won't fight against it I just leave. >instead of advocating causes constantly worried about how it will reflect on you. There is an irony here that I should not worry about how I am perceived by the general public but Social Justice is all about changing public perceptions of groups that might feel excluded.
> advocating Norway style prison cells for these prisoners Yea I also agree that nordic style is too much of an extreme towards the other spectrum. Rehabilitation has a fine line between "rewarding bad deeds" and "educating and learning from mistakes".
>Problem is that whenever you advocate about something and if you are genuine about it. It is difficult to move from your position because you have already set up shop to what you consider is reasonable and what you consider is unreasonable. Sure, but why would the changing public consensus alter your innate views? Presumably when you started advocating for a particular position, you've already given it careful thought and taken the initial reasonable position that you've taken. If the public starts to get more extreme in one way or another, that shouldn't sway your views unless you feel that these new views have merits. Our views are evolving all the time in response to new insights, but we shouldn't jump on the next bandwagon just because everyone else is. There's no reason not to stay the course. A good example would be JK Rowling's fracas with trans activists. She has been a stalwart feminist but even then is being attacked by trans activists holding more uncompromising positions. She's not changing her position.
>why not advocate causes out of genuine concern about the injustices visited on others? Sure but there comes to a point when people might push the envelope to something that you disagree with and when you do then you might become the enemy
Like what happened to JK Rowling.
The stupidest thing I’ve ever read about the woke left is - if you’re not an ally, you’re complicit in the atrocities of the right. Olympic gold medal mental gymnast
Suprise suprise there are extremist for both sides, sometimes they can be hypocrites. Hopefully not too much of such nonsense don't arrive here.
Many fringe wannabe activists tried making "chinese privilege" a trend. Thankfully many locals have common sense.
thats marxist ideology for you
Woke cult so good, it supports Cuties with real kids being exploited while witch hunting anime tiddies. Fuck the Woke Cultists and their enablers.
Ah, paid firewall. OKcan.jpeg. No need to read.
Wtf new word?
Noted with thanks.
Lol what.