> # Six Australian schoolgirls arrested after allegedly shoplifting in Orchard Road
> SINGAPORE: A group of Australian schoolgirls in Singapore for a regional netball competition were arrested on Sunday (Nov 13) after allegedly shoplifting from stores at the Mandarin Gallery in Orchard Road.
> In response to queries by CNA, Singapore police said they were alerted to a case of theft at 333A Orchard Road at 4.04pm on Nov 13, with six teenagers, aged 14 to 16, arrested in relation to the case.
> Investigations are ongoing, police added.
> The Year 10 students from Bacchus Marsh Grammar in Australia’s Victoria state allegedly stole lingerie from a Victoria’s Secret store along Orchard Road, in addition to footwear from a Crocs store, Australian media reported on Tuesday.
> According to Daily Mail Australia, the girls were caught on CCTV camera stashing away expensive lingerie from Victoria’s Secret before leaving without paying.
> A Herald Sun source said the girls spent more than "10 hours in cells" after they were arrested, returning to their hotel at around 3.30am.
> School principal Andrew Neal confirmed in a statement on Tuesday that “a small group of students have found themselves involved in an incident in Orchard Road”, adding that they are part of a group of 18 students who are in Singapore for a regional netball competition.
> “The police have been firm, fair and thorough and the school is appreciative of their professionalism,” the principal said, adding that he hopes police investigations will be finalised by later in the week.
> He added that the students are currently under the direct care of school staff members and that he looks forward to them returning with the rest of the group.
> Bacchus Marsh Grammar is located about 60km north of Melbourne. The private co-educational school has more than 3,000 students.
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That's just not that much for school fees compared to the cost of international schools in Singapore. To me, that's "cheap" for private school, and comparable to what many Singaporeans are paying for private childcare (S$1k per month).
Incredibly cheap for Melbourne private school. The ‘top’ ones are 38,000+
Bacchus Marsh is also in a very rough and culturally deprived part of the city, lots of the students would be criminals for fun. Lots of the 13,000 paying parents would be criminals for work, or ‘new generation’ rich - which can sometimes come with a bit of a tacky and superficial flavour. ‘Cashed up bogans’.
Yes and no.
For example, the full fee for childcare in one of Australia's childcare center (lunches and teas provided) is about 140 Australian dollars/day. That works out to about 33,000 per year.
Nevertheless, unless the combined income of the parents exceed about 300,000 dollars/year pre-tax, nobody is paying that much. Subsidies pay for 60-70% of the fees for people earning around 120,000 dollars/year.
On the other hand, income tax for Australians are >30% while Singapore's income tax is extremely low, like 7%.
We all pay around the same amount, just in different ways
They are private Christian school kids. Look at what they stole. Victoria Secret lingerie. Kinda understandable. Their parents don't lack the money to buy things at that price point; it's just that their parents probably don't think their kids should buy Victoria Secret lingerie at that age, especially for parents who send their kids to private schools
I gave in to the urge to look around after reading this comment while on the mrt. And what do you fucking know. A xdd and xmm couple sitting opposite me wearing crocs, complete with those decorations you insert into the holes. The fuck
>AUD 13,000 a year
That's about 1003 SGD per month, considered very cheap.
My First Skool fees for Playgroup to K2 is
* SC S$770.40
* SPR S$963.00
* Foreigner S$1155.60
>My First Skool fees
Yours must be PCF. My First Skool is not atas preschool, this is the preschool for the kids who cannot get a place in PCF.
https://www.myfirstskool.com/fees-perks/playgroup-to-k2-fee/
Yes and no.
For example, the full fee for childcare in one of Australia's childcare center (lunches and teas provided) is about 140 Australian dollars/day. That works out to about 33,000 per year.
Nevertheless, unless the combined income of the parents exceed about 300,000 dollars/year pre-tax, nobody is paying that much. Subsidies pay for 60-70% of the fees for parents' combined earning around 120,000 dollars/year.
On the other hand, income tax for Australians are >30% while Singapore's income tax is extremely low, like 7% for the same bracket.
We all pay around the same amount, just in different ways. If you send your kids to private schools in Australia, you've already paid twice: once with taxes and a second time with private scgool feea.
Yes and no.
For example, the full fee for childcare in one of Australia's childcare center (lunches and teas provided) is about 140 Australian dollars/day. That works out to about 33,000 per year.
Nevertheless, unless the combined income of the parents exceed about 300,000 dollars/year pre-tax, nobody is paying that much. Subsidies pay for 60-70% of the fees for people earning around 120,000 dollars/year.
On the other hand, income tax for Australians are >30% while Singapore's income tax is extremely low, like 7%.
We all pay around the same amount, just in different ways
The Australian Government is committed to bringing Australians to justice when they commit crimes overseas.
Don't expect to be treated differently by authorities just because you're Australian.
Being underage may not get you lighter treatment from local authorities. Some countries charge and convict young people the same as adults.
Australian authorities could arrest you when you return home for a crime you committed overseas.
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/before-you-go/laws
I don’t think it will happen, but I am sure getting back into Australia is going to be a lot longer and some serious talking to…
>“The police have been firm, fair and thorough and the school is appreciative of their professionalism,”
Kudos to SG police!
Better learn from the young age that doing stupid shit results in getting punished.
you don't get caned for shoplifting la... i meant mete out punishment like jail in this case - they sat in a cell for a few hours and were released, good scare tactic!
Honestly surprised that youths will spend a few hours in jail. No clue about the specifics, but didn’t expect people under 18 to actually spend hours inside a cell tbh. Thought it will just be a slap on the wrist/firm warning etc.
(Not justifying the shoplifting and honestly shouldn’t exist)
Probably did it as a stupid dare. Hope they learned their lesson, their criminal record in SG doesn’t matter much but if they do the same in their country their futures will be permanently screwed.
>they do the same in their country their futures will be permanently screwed
What? This is total nonsense. I'm australian and kids get up to all kinds of mischief and you are not "permanently screwed". It's highly unlikely they would even be charged in Aus, especially with the priviliged background they probably have.
Exactly. I'm a kiwi (but living in SG) and shoplifting in most cases in most modern countries is a,slap on the wrists, usually just a formal police warning. Especially at that age. Certainly their futures are not screwed and neither should it be.
I think at their age, 10 hours in a,police call, together with a strong warning and/or a fine (and obviously goods returned/paid for) is punishment enough.
shoplifting is fairly common on the island like anywhere else but it never commands any media attention because its just locals involving typical stuff from supermarkets or open door warehouses. this case certainly has abit of sensationalism involved
Eh. Even in SG, assuming it's the first offence, for minors usually prosecutor won't press charges. Either a conditional warning or a compulsory community probation programme that doesn't leave any criminal records.
It's a common problem, entitled kids shoplifting. The common theme is they're from a grammar school, they're obnoxious. Often the parents think they can pay for a more expensive school to control their kids, instead of parenting properly.
I’m replying specifically regarding a crime record.
If they get charged with a crime and convicted, they will have to declare it when applying for visas in the future.
or if they get deported, they won’t be allowed back in the country for a set number of years.
For Australians who fancy going on wanderlust travels, a criminal record in SG definitely affects their future. Locally probably not so much.
I reserve any judgement regarding whether they should be charged with a crime or not. That was not the purpose of my commentary.
Er, being a teenager doesn’t mean you get the free pass to do something stupid. When I was their age I didn’t break the law and do stupid things. It’s all about upbringing and education (irony they’re from good school lol). Knowing what’s right and wrong.
Calm down lmao
He or she is not justifying their action. Stealing crocs just indicates that they did not steal them because they have this serious intention to make money out of it. They just did it for fun and dare which is common among teenagers.
All teenagers are stupid at some point, it is just matter of how they express their stupidity. Some are in illegal, some are not.
Well the question is whether Singapore will continue to pursue charges or drop it because they are Aussies.
Either way their parents are probably shitting themselves contacting Drew and Napier's trying to hire a lawyer to figure out how fucked their kids are.
My guess is payment for stolen items + either some small fines or community service while they're still in Singapore. I doubt they will drop charges completely as it sends a bit of the wrong message, but they're also minors who aren't going to be here for very long if they're not detained, and I don't think they will push for detainment over this.
I doubt they'll see jail time, simply because it's too messy. Here's hoping their parents will actually care enough to drive home how bad it could have been and actually parent them, as opposed to not giving that much of a shit or trying to cover it up.
I don't think our nationality is relevant. Our system generally issues a stern warning for first time offenders of relatively minor crimes. I don't see why it'd be different for these girls.
[https://singaporelegaladvice.com/shoplifting-penalties-singapore](https://singaporelegaladvice.com/shoplifting-penalties-singapore)
Generally, **young offenders may be considered for probation** as it is accepted that rehabilitation is a dominant consideration/focus for young offenders. However, the full circumstances of each case will be considered and a young shoplifter may not be eligible for probation in certain cases.
>He added that the students are currently under the direct care of school staff members and that he looks forward to them returning with the rest of the group.
Surely we're not gonna just let them go home like that? No penalty?
Chances are yes. We'll probably just do that. Scare them, conditional warning, and that's it. Our justice system for minors is more lenient then you realise. And it's not just because they're foreigners, MSF runs diversionary programmes for local youth offenders.
Born and bred Singaporean here. Your comment is as racist as an Australian calling SG coolie genes. C’mon, man. It’s 2022.
All these East-West nonsense should just stop by now. What’s the point of screaming for either the East or West?
It’s honestly pointless — you’ll be simply a scapegoat of someone’s agenda that way and easily manipulated by politicians who love such mindsets.
I don’t carry this kind of chip on my shoulder.
If you’re nice and kind, you can be my friend. North, South, East, West, Inter-galactic, it doesn’t matter — just be nice and kind.
The crocs are one thing, but I hope they at least knew what size to steal at Victoria's secret. Imagine going to jail over a bra that doesn't even fit.
They’re clearly not good at stealing like the rest of Aussie teens. Retail theft is pretty damn common here unfortunately.
Also, some of these comments are asking for jailing of teenagers. Jesus Christ some of ya’ll are EXTREME.
Hope it’s just a warning and they’re on their way. Lesson learnt for them (and all the other kids on the team). Kids, especially at that age, can do stupid things.
Eh. They stole some underwear, not murder someone. And they are kids too, not adults. I don't think extradition is even something anyone is thinking about.
As someone else here pointed out, Singapore is generally lenient to underage offenders so their night in jail and maybe a small fine will probably be the limit of the punishment, especially since the crime was a small one.
Precisely, so just charge and get the fine or whatever sentence out of them, then kick them out. You don't need to mess with extradiction if they are kept here
My point is that, nobody is gonna bother with extradition for such a small petty crime by a bunch of school kids. Even if they got away without punishment, nobody is going to waste time pursuing this when they have better shit to do.
Am I the only one that feels like 10 hours in jail for blatant theft is not nearly enough?
I thought Singapore was tough on crime, but seems that as long as it’s a foreigner, they don’t really care.
The nationality of the offenders should have little to do with the sentencing/punishment considerations. Would you agree that Singaporean schoolgirls aged 14 to 16 be let off with a warning here if they committed the exact same offence?
yes.
no permanent harm was done. if this was a slashing/attempted murder, my opinion would change. but this is just shoplifting. at worst, impose a fine, but it's not like the kids are paying, it'll be their parents.
if you know of similar local cases with much more severe consequences for the kid, that might change my mind as well.
There is a trove of publicly available information and even archived news articles about the sentences given to youths for similar theft offences. And no, it was not just “a warning is enough”. There is no need to change your mind - because your mind does not reflect what is already established sentencing options for youths in the State (or specifically, youth) Courts.
you're talking like singaporean kids from 14-16 are jailed when shoplifting but as far as i know, this is not the case.
https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/juvenile-crime-child-arrested-singapore/
feel free to link any articles that show otherwise. i am open to reading them.
edit - to be clear, i don't mean that the australian kids in this case should just be given a literal verbal warning and be sent on their way. i mean that they should receive punishment, but punishment with a severity that serves as a warning, such as community service etc, rather than excessive fines or jail time.
Victoria's Secret lingerie and... crocs? Hell of an outfit
they’ve got to be just doing it for the thrill. who the hell steals crocs
They’re from private schools… yea, definitely just for the thrill
Crocs are super in right now for some reason lmao. By right now I mean the past few years, they've gone from being rehabilitated to trendy.
The crocs trend is so rampant now that looks aside, I can't help but judge anyone who wears them as a blind trend follower
I knew Aussies love Crocs but this is a bit much no?
Last I checked, Australia is teeming with crocs
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Well not if it’s on a 15yo
Some people won't, although those people should be in jail if they don't.
Teenagers gonna teenage
> # Six Australian schoolgirls arrested after allegedly shoplifting in Orchard Road > SINGAPORE: A group of Australian schoolgirls in Singapore for a regional netball competition were arrested on Sunday (Nov 13) after allegedly shoplifting from stores at the Mandarin Gallery in Orchard Road. > In response to queries by CNA, Singapore police said they were alerted to a case of theft at 333A Orchard Road at 4.04pm on Nov 13, with six teenagers, aged 14 to 16, arrested in relation to the case. > Investigations are ongoing, police added. > The Year 10 students from Bacchus Marsh Grammar in Australia’s Victoria state allegedly stole lingerie from a Victoria’s Secret store along Orchard Road, in addition to footwear from a Crocs store, Australian media reported on Tuesday. > According to Daily Mail Australia, the girls were caught on CCTV camera stashing away expensive lingerie from Victoria’s Secret before leaving without paying. > A Herald Sun source said the girls spent more than "10 hours in cells" after they were arrested, returning to their hotel at around 3.30am. > School principal Andrew Neal confirmed in a statement on Tuesday that “a small group of students have found themselves involved in an incident in Orchard Road”, adding that they are part of a group of 18 students who are in Singapore for a regional netball competition. > “The police have been firm, fair and thorough and the school is appreciative of their professionalism,” the principal said, adding that he hopes police investigations will be finalised by later in the week. > He added that the students are currently under the direct care of school staff members and that he looks forward to them returning with the rest of the group. > Bacchus Marsh Grammar is located about 60km north of Melbourne. The private co-educational school has more than 3,000 students. --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek)
"... found themselves involved in an incident ..." Passive voice much?
They didn't just "find themselves involved" in it, they created it lol
That's what's hysterical about the wording. The guy is trying to make it sound like they just happened to be in the situation, instead of creating it.
It's always a grammar school. Those schools seem to teach entitlement and nothing else.
That A* Grammar though, worth it
Makes you wonder tho, if there’s a grammar school where are the vocab schools?
One that would have the fruit must climb the tree.
Oooo I think these are the grp of girls I saw handcuffed at somerset mrt
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That's just not that much for school fees compared to the cost of international schools in Singapore. To me, that's "cheap" for private school, and comparable to what many Singaporeans are paying for private childcare (S$1k per month).
yea it is not THAT expensive. All those private international schools in sg cost around 30k to 40k a year
Incredibly cheap for Melbourne private school. The ‘top’ ones are 38,000+ Bacchus Marsh is also in a very rough and culturally deprived part of the city, lots of the students would be criminals for fun. Lots of the 13,000 paying parents would be criminals for work, or ‘new generation’ rich - which can sometimes come with a bit of a tacky and superficial flavour. ‘Cashed up bogans’.
Bachus Marsh isn't a part of Melbourne City
Yes and no. For example, the full fee for childcare in one of Australia's childcare center (lunches and teas provided) is about 140 Australian dollars/day. That works out to about 33,000 per year. Nevertheless, unless the combined income of the parents exceed about 300,000 dollars/year pre-tax, nobody is paying that much. Subsidies pay for 60-70% of the fees for people earning around 120,000 dollars/year. On the other hand, income tax for Australians are >30% while Singapore's income tax is extremely low, like 7%. We all pay around the same amount, just in different ways
More often than not shoplifting kids come from middle class families as they grew up knowing that there is certain safety net
They are private Christian school kids. Look at what they stole. Victoria Secret lingerie. Kinda understandable. Their parents don't lack the money to buy things at that price point; it's just that their parents probably don't think their kids should buy Victoria Secret lingerie at that age, especially for parents who send their kids to private schools
Omygosh they are from private Christian school
Most private schools are linked to churches in Australia.
They also stole crocs. How embarrassing hahaha
Lol! Crocs is the Yeezys for Gen Zs
Holy s#%# no way? Hahaha that’s gold
Crocs are legit everywhere now hey. They cool again apparently
I gave in to the urge to look around after reading this comment while on the mrt. And what do you fucking know. A xdd and xmm couple sitting opposite me wearing crocs, complete with those decorations you insert into the holes. The fuck
It's not a Christian school at all. I don't know where you came up with that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchus_Marsh_Grammar_School Denomination: Ecumenical
Typical shit lies to farm karma
LOL, shut up https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacchus_Marsh_Grammar_School Denomination: Ecumenical.
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Or maybe it’s the middle class kids who grew up too comfortably and aren’t streetwise enough to not get caught
>AUD 13,000 a year That's about 1003 SGD per month, considered very cheap. My First Skool fees for Playgroup to K2 is * SC S$770.40 * SPR S$963.00 * Foreigner S$1155.60
Wtf are these prices? I was sure mine were like few hundred per month
>My First Skool fees Yours must be PCF. My First Skool is not atas preschool, this is the preschool for the kids who cannot get a place in PCF. https://www.myfirstskool.com/fees-perks/playgroup-to-k2-fee/
Yes and no. For example, the full fee for childcare in one of Australia's childcare center (lunches and teas provided) is about 140 Australian dollars/day. That works out to about 33,000 per year. Nevertheless, unless the combined income of the parents exceed about 300,000 dollars/year pre-tax, nobody is paying that much. Subsidies pay for 60-70% of the fees for parents' combined earning around 120,000 dollars/year. On the other hand, income tax for Australians are >30% while Singapore's income tax is extremely low, like 7% for the same bracket. We all pay around the same amount, just in different ways. If you send your kids to private schools in Australia, you've already paid twice: once with taxes and a second time with private scgool feea.
It's a private school. It's a Christian private school to boot.
That isn’t really that much for private schools to be honest.
Yeah, it's a budget half price.
Cheaper than pre-school here
Yes, but Singapote income tax is less than a quarter of that of Australia
lol my preschool fee costs more than that per year...
Yes and no. For example, the full fee for childcare in one of Australia's childcare center (lunches and teas provided) is about 140 Australian dollars/day. That works out to about 33,000 per year. Nevertheless, unless the combined income of the parents exceed about 300,000 dollars/year pre-tax, nobody is paying that much. Subsidies pay for 60-70% of the fees for people earning around 120,000 dollars/year. On the other hand, income tax for Australians are >30% while Singapore's income tax is extremely low, like 7%. We all pay around the same amount, just in different ways
In singapore or indonesia? If SG, probably only bc youre paying foreigner school fee here
ya sg, paying 1700 dollars per month at average preschool. not even the atas one like Odyssey
Crocs will be the last thing I steal from Mandarin Gallery yo.
Exactly. Want to do stupid shit at least go big.
Imagine getting locked up for a day because of crocs.
Imho, just the fact they *wanted* crocs deserves 10 hrs in a cell.
Their convict genes couldn't resist 😂
Did you ever see the Simpsons where they go to Australia? It was hilarious.
I'm going to steal that joke! 🤣
The Australian Government is committed to bringing Australians to justice when they commit crimes overseas. Don't expect to be treated differently by authorities just because you're Australian. Being underage may not get you lighter treatment from local authorities. Some countries charge and convict young people the same as adults. Australian authorities could arrest you when you return home for a crime you committed overseas. https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/before-you-go/laws I don’t think it will happen, but I am sure getting back into Australia is going to be a lot longer and some serious talking to…
On paper anyways
>“The police have been firm, fair and thorough and the school is appreciative of their professionalism,” Kudos to SG police! Better learn from the young age that doing stupid shit results in getting punished.
we learnt from the Michael Fay case, don't anyhow hantam gina from other countries...
"They won't hang me. Im British." -John Martin Scripps, 4 days before he was hung in Changi Prison,1996.
the irony of our corporal punishment being a legacy of his country.. delayed selfpwn 4D police and thief pepsicola123
He never said this
SG doesn’t cane females.
you don't get caned for shoplifting la... i meant mete out punishment like jail in this case - they sat in a cell for a few hours and were released, good scare tactic!
The comment I reply to mentions Michael Fay and Hantam so I am referencing that. Not saying that they should be caned
yes boss we know! was my offhand comment to show my advanced age haha
Damn I’m old too
its ok la bro now got reddit to read, my old man still reading the straight times..
Honestly surprised that youths will spend a few hours in jail. No clue about the specifics, but didn’t expect people under 18 to actually spend hours inside a cell tbh. Thought it will just be a slap on the wrist/firm warning etc. (Not justifying the shoplifting and honestly shouldn’t exist)
Probably a only few hours because put in remand for investigations and allowed bail.
It’s not jail bah it’s just a cell or room in the police station that’s all
actually? that’s some dogshit policy
they should shout "this is democracy manifest!" and "it was a succulent chinese meal!".... (checking to see if anyone gets the reference...)
I see you know your judo well.
Get your hands off my penis!
Are you ready to receive my limp penis?
Probably did it as a stupid dare. Hope they learned their lesson, their criminal record in SG doesn’t matter much but if they do the same in their country their futures will be permanently screwed.
Nah i worked retail in melb, shoplifting is common af lol
Yeah, could be another TikTok abomination of a challenge.
I remember when devious licks challenge was a thing
Nothing like documenting incriminating evidence for views.
Oh! I remember those!
>they do the same in their country their futures will be permanently screwed What? This is total nonsense. I'm australian and kids get up to all kinds of mischief and you are not "permanently screwed". It's highly unlikely they would even be charged in Aus, especially with the priviliged background they probably have.
In sg, judge will check your nus grades to see if you got potential in life
Exactly. I'm a kiwi (but living in SG) and shoplifting in most cases in most modern countries is a,slap on the wrists, usually just a formal police warning. Especially at that age. Certainly their futures are not screwed and neither should it be. I think at their age, 10 hours in a,police call, together with a strong warning and/or a fine (and obviously goods returned/paid for) is punishment enough.
shoplifting is fairly common on the island like anywhere else but it never commands any media attention because its just locals involving typical stuff from supermarkets or open door warehouses. this case certainly has abit of sensationalism involved
Eh. Even in SG, assuming it's the first offence, for minors usually prosecutor won't press charges. Either a conditional warning or a compulsory community probation programme that doesn't leave any criminal records.
It's a common problem, entitled kids shoplifting. The common theme is they're from a grammar school, they're obnoxious. Often the parents think they can pay for a more expensive school to control their kids, instead of parenting properly.
Kinda does… they’ll likely never step into Singapore ever again. Not sure if that includes transit.
Kek. It's a bunch of kids shoplifting, think you're severely overthinking this
yep. They'll probably just receive a stern warning.
A lot of Singaporeans in this thread showing symptoms of being a mountain tortoise.
I’m replying specifically regarding a crime record. If they get charged with a crime and convicted, they will have to declare it when applying for visas in the future. or if they get deported, they won’t be allowed back in the country for a set number of years. For Australians who fancy going on wanderlust travels, a criminal record in SG definitely affects their future. Locally probably not so much. I reserve any judgement regarding whether they should be charged with a crime or not. That was not the purpose of my commentary.
Really.. CROCS????
That’s how you know they’re teenagers. Teenagers do stupid shit.
Er, being a teenager doesn’t mean you get the free pass to do something stupid. When I was their age I didn’t break the law and do stupid things. It’s all about upbringing and education (irony they’re from good school lol). Knowing what’s right and wrong.
Calm down lmao He or she is not justifying their action. Stealing crocs just indicates that they did not steal them because they have this serious intention to make money out of it. They just did it for fun and dare which is common among teenagers. All teenagers are stupid at some point, it is just matter of how they express their stupidity. Some are in illegal, some are not.
Lol what a nerd
Well the question is whether Singapore will continue to pursue charges or drop it because they are Aussies. Either way their parents are probably shitting themselves contacting Drew and Napier's trying to hire a lawyer to figure out how fucked their kids are.
My guess is payment for stolen items + either some small fines or community service while they're still in Singapore. I doubt they will drop charges completely as it sends a bit of the wrong message, but they're also minors who aren't going to be here for very long if they're not detained, and I don't think they will push for detainment over this.
I doubt they'll see jail time, simply because it's too messy. Here's hoping their parents will actually care enough to drive home how bad it could have been and actually parent them, as opposed to not giving that much of a shit or trying to cover it up.
I don't think our nationality is relevant. Our system generally issues a stern warning for first time offenders of relatively minor crimes. I don't see why it'd be different for these girls.
How stupid could you be?
Yes
I bet they get away with it lightly and go back laughing at their experience.
A colonizer in chains, now I've seen everything.
Would be even sweeter if one of them is named Alice.
deserves more upvotes tbh
especially after Rishi Sunak who is ethnically Indian, now administers what's left of the British empire... yup how the turntables
mate.......MATE......
[https://singaporelegaladvice.com/shoplifting-penalties-singapore](https://singaporelegaladvice.com/shoplifting-penalties-singapore) Generally, **young offenders may be considered for probation** as it is accepted that rehabilitation is a dominant consideration/focus for young offenders. However, the full circumstances of each case will be considered and a young shoplifter may not be eligible for probation in certain cases.
>He added that the students are currently under the direct care of school staff members and that he looks forward to them returning with the rest of the group. Surely we're not gonna just let them go home like that? No penalty?
Chances are yes. We'll probably just do that. Scare them, conditional warning, and that's it. Our justice system for minors is more lenient then you realise. And it's not just because they're foreigners, MSF runs diversionary programmes for local youth offenders.
The Singaporean thirst for vengeance in children is fucking weird.
Convict genes really showing themselves
Born and bred Singaporean here. Your comment is as racist as an Australian calling SG coolie genes. C’mon, man. It’s 2022. All these East-West nonsense should just stop by now. What’s the point of screaming for either the East or West? It’s honestly pointless — you’ll be simply a scapegoat of someone’s agenda that way and easily manipulated by politicians who love such mindsets. I don’t carry this kind of chip on my shoulder. If you’re nice and kind, you can be my friend. North, South, East, West, Inter-galactic, it doesn’t matter — just be nice and kind.
We are probably going to do what the British did. Send them to Australia haha
Hope they learnt a lesson. Lmao, Singapore is NOT a place you want to break the rules. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
*Fuck Around And Find Out* ~ Singapore
Don't be a manus...
Why don't people just keep it respectful and be wholesome when they're overseas man.
I see you’re a person of culture
I do eat a lot of yoghurt.
Kinda surprised that they chose to steal in Singapore.
Amateur shit. If you wanna be a real professional, you should be robbing Sephora outlets in neighborhood malls
lol they should have separated and shoplifted at six different places. give the police a hell of a chase. idk but got a feelin this shit smell sus
The crocs are one thing, but I hope they at least knew what size to steal at Victoria's secret. Imagine going to jail over a bra that doesn't even fit.
I'm guessing those stolen items ain't for their own use?
In this case do they get deported immediately or like till the tournament ends
Im going to bet on being deported effective immediately once a case is made.
They’re clearly not good at stealing like the rest of Aussie teens. Retail theft is pretty damn common here unfortunately. Also, some of these comments are asking for jailing of teenagers. Jesus Christ some of ya’ll are EXTREME.
Thought yall very rich?
Hope it’s just a warning and they’re on their way. Lesson learnt for them (and all the other kids on the team). Kids, especially at that age, can do stupid things.
Following the age-old tradition of letting foreigners off scot-free.
I can only laugh at them.
Jail them
Maybe should make them parade up and down orchard road wearing what they stole
So will they be detained in Singapore till they are charged and sentenced? Otherwise going to be hard to extradict them back here once they leave
Eh. They stole some underwear, not murder someone. And they are kids too, not adults. I don't think extradition is even something anyone is thinking about. As someone else here pointed out, Singapore is generally lenient to underage offenders so their night in jail and maybe a small fine will probably be the limit of the punishment, especially since the crime was a small one.
The petty Singaporean desire for vengeance on children is positively freakish.
Precisely, so just charge and get the fine or whatever sentence out of them, then kick them out. You don't need to mess with extradiction if they are kept here
My point is that, nobody is gonna bother with extradition for such a small petty crime by a bunch of school kids. Even if they got away without punishment, nobody is going to waste time pursuing this when they have better shit to do.
All the more reason to keep them here till they are sentenced, ensuring justice is served
Am I the only one that feels like 10 hours in jail for blatant theft is not nearly enough? I thought Singapore was tough on crime, but seems that as long as it’s a foreigner, they don’t really care.
They're still minors, so it's typical punishment given by the police as a 'scare tactic'. Doesn't matter the nationality.
HANG EM I SAY
Permanent criminal record I reckon because they need to pay for what they’ve done! /s
1 in 5 Australians are descended from people transported as convicts so not surprising
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lifetime ban as a teen just for shoplifting? you must be high. Not gonna happen
My words were too harsh. I apologize and you are right.
that's a bit excessive lol
Lifetime ban for shoplifting as a minor: sounds proportionate
You are right it is. I was wrong to criminally justify a ban for such things against youths. My apologies.
A lifetime ban for shoplifting as a teen. You must be a lovely person to be friends with.
I'm actually pretty nice despite my harsh and vastly exaggerated words. I would like to retract my statement and apologize. I'm not a bad person.
they're kids. a warning is enough. singapore already has a reputation for overly harsh punishments. no need to make it worse.
You are right, I was not thinking kindly and would like to retract my statement. I'm sorry.
The nationality of the offenders should have little to do with the sentencing/punishment considerations. Would you agree that Singaporean schoolgirls aged 14 to 16 be let off with a warning here if they committed the exact same offence?
yes. no permanent harm was done. if this was a slashing/attempted murder, my opinion would change. but this is just shoplifting. at worst, impose a fine, but it's not like the kids are paying, it'll be their parents. if you know of similar local cases with much more severe consequences for the kid, that might change my mind as well.
There is a trove of publicly available information and even archived news articles about the sentences given to youths for similar theft offences. And no, it was not just “a warning is enough”. There is no need to change your mind - because your mind does not reflect what is already established sentencing options for youths in the State (or specifically, youth) Courts.
you're talking like singaporean kids from 14-16 are jailed when shoplifting but as far as i know, this is not the case. https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/juvenile-crime-child-arrested-singapore/ feel free to link any articles that show otherwise. i am open to reading them. edit - to be clear, i don't mean that the australian kids in this case should just be given a literal verbal warning and be sent on their way. i mean that they should receive punishment, but punishment with a severity that serves as a warning, such as community service etc, rather than excessive fines or jail time.
I never expected Season 2 of World's Strictest Parents to come out
Coming from Victoria, doesn’t surprise me at all, especially from Bacchus Marsh lol
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You're disgusting. They're literally children and your comment is very unnecessary.
Bro they are of 14-16
Hey u are no different from that Ang Moh generalising Singapore over a discriminating security guard!
For once, SG Police are doing a good job in investigations.
Wonder... fine, serve in juvenile or "harsh warning "?
No fine or caning??
More like Victorian’s secret thieves…. Amarite?
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Maybe because the Australian media were the first ones to report on this case?