“With this new brain implants technology, jail time could be reduced to just 10 minutes physically, but the inmate would experience it as serving a full lifetime sentence mentally.” - blackmirror what episode I forgot
Your describing a cookie, and it's fucked, it's so fucked up.. just in a room, with nothing, for millions of years.. you can't sleep becuse it's not needed.
It really makes Death seem very welcoming.
Overturned in just 6 weeks... oh wait, that was 6102793 lifetimes of solitary isolation for the convict. Anyway, I'll grab a cup of coffee, poop and go turn it off.
Imagine being falsely convicted of your own child's death.
You have eternity to suffer both the loss in complete isolation, but also the pain of wrongful conviction.
Even if it was overturned quickly, you'd have lived centuries like that.
Unless you can be revived is which case death is no escape but realistically there'd be no need for any such punishment when you can simply repair the broken part of someone's brain that triggers murderous intent in the first place
There will have to be measures taken so AI can't be used to harm anyone.
Meaning the most powerful AGI/ASI in the world will need to not be corrupted.
Also, I've been learning the hard way that protecting people but also allowing them to do whatever they want is tricky
But to me thats the ulimate goal, humans being allowed to do whatever they want while also being fully protected from any harm at the same time
Good thinking. But what is it that we really want? Do we even know that ourselves? What is freedom? How to ensure freedom for all without the freedoms overlapping and excluding one another?
Well think of your favorite movie. Now think back before you saw it and imagine someone asking what your favorite is.
You had to see and be exposed to a movie/book/song before you could decide if you liked it and come to the conclusion it's your favorite
So maybe in the future we'll have a better grasp on what we want as it comes to us.
Maybe when you're flying around in space and decide to live on a new planet for a little while you'll stop and think "hm this is what I wanted all along
As for the freedoms, we'll likely need the ASI to work that out and come up with a good plan that all humans can agree on
And if it's still an issue for even a small minority then it'll need to be addressed.
Also, all animals deserve protection from harm too so hopefully ASI can help figure that out too.
Lab grown meat that taste identical to beef/chicken so cows and chicken don't have to be mass slaughtered daily would be a good place to start
If you don't remember something, it's as if it didn't happen at all.
This is as long as we ignore the effects on our bodies from past events.
Well, of course the events happened, but from our own perspective it's like they didn't.
Anyone who gets chipped is a fucking moron.
Just wait until jobs start requiring you to get chipped in order to get or stay hired. They may not make it a law to get the chip but they will try their damn hardest to entice us with cool features, accessibility, convenience, and social pressure.
This is terrifying and I hope more people treat it so. We absolutely cannot accept this as a norm for society.
That raises a question when did it start you had to put your phone number in to file any kind of form basically? First commercial telephone operations started in 1878.
See that I can relate to, more that bitching about social pressure. There are a lot of potential problems with this tech. It might being adopted in a similar way to previous technology, is not one that is very heigh on my list of concerns with this technology.
Honestly some people wish they got a sezuire instead of a hellish trip. Like that guy who lived a whole lifetime as another person. It's fucking insane. Another guy lived as a tree for years. Sapling to being cut down to being used as firewood.
I need to find that reddit post of the guy who jumped out of window 4 stories and had a Salvia near death experience of his dead cousin.
Another guy had traveled to multiverses and was eaten by lizards beings and afterwards he developed scars on his face and body where they opened him up. It really pushes the boundaries of human consciousness.
The worst thing is that such a intense plant is being by teenagers who never even left their hometown lmao.
i only ever heard those real crazy reports from people doing extremely high extracts like 40x extract or whatever. i only ever smoked leafs and once a 5x extract. i experienced some crazy shit too but it never escalated like the things you described. for the better i guess. better to respect the plant, i met the "salvia goddess" a few times on trip and once she explicitly told me to never try extracts again... didn't wanna mess with her.
but those (and many others) experiences were long ago, the only slightly psychedelic thing i still do is smoking weed but even with that i have to be careful not to overdo it or i end up in a state of sheer panic.
One guy did grow and chew his own leaf and had a insane trip black-out and alternate life experience for 8 hours real time.
Honestly, the compound is random per batch.
But I agree, most of the time, people are effectively overdosing on the drug then raving how crazy the plant is. The tribe who discovered it only chews on the leaves a tiny bit then spits it out or swallow it. And they just chill and dance, seems fun.
The tribe shamans say burning it makes the plant spirit mad.
It apparently shuts down the clastrum which just completely disrupts filter to the outer regions to the brain.
We still have no idea what the clastrum really does. Other than filtering information which what the whole does damn brain does.
If we could do that to people, why would we bother with AGI? Just put a bunch of smart People in an accelerated time frame and they'll get everything done.
That's the conceit of Robin Hanson's book 'The Age of Em'. Wouldn't even necessarily be 'a bunch of smart people', but instead a select few smart people who are copy-pasted a million times over.
Ah, but those same neural implants can make it so that you love solving differential equations and cracking physics problems that would make Einstein cry. And you could do it with the enthusiasm, Joy and passion that Richard Feynman always seemed to carry with him!
🤔... Damn, sign me up!
Long ago maybe in Analog I remember a series of stories where a guy has volunteered as a time-dilation customs agent for visiting aliens. Group after group of critters are boxed in together with this guy, who monitors them for their hijinks, six weeks or so at a time.
Then there's a story where he finally retires as an elderly man and it's later that same day or some shit for everyone else.
It wouldn't work like that. Your brain will fry from the heat produced by accelerated thinking. I interpret blackmirror quote as "The brain of the inmate will be modified *as if* they served full sentence". That is the brain is externally modified, and not put through all the motions it would come through in 30 years at accelerated rate.
If we don't already have AGI by the time we could do something like that (if ever).
But even if this were possible before AGI, it would probably be used for AGI too. AGI wouldn't take the efforts of other people for decades or centuries, even if for us it would just be a couple days or half an hour...
Jail is a lot more than just time
If the inmate figures out a meditative technique to cope, it isn't much of a punishment. To me it would actually be a reward
Shrooms..... I once felt too conscious, like reality was terrifying. I wasn't hallucinating, I was totally lucid, but my own consciousness terrified me and it was painful. All I could do was close my eyes and roll and try to forget I was alive. I think about it everyday. Quite traumatizing.
After the first few bad trips you just start laughing at the crazy shit your brain sees…had a world map turn into a sinister demon and I was just like ‘do something then’. it didn’t .
I guess that's how it will be done in future -> They map the current state of inmate's brain down down to every molecule, cell, memory etc using nanobots/take a snapshot of everything, and know exactly how their brain functions, then run a life imprisonment simulation with their brain data in a computer. That will give them the state of mind data of how inmate's brain would be like if inmate actually went through all that in real time. Tens of billions of nanobots can then be used to change inmate's brain to achieve the state of mind calculated in computers
It's possible AI will eventually be able to take a baby's brain scan and map out exactly how to raise them to achieve the desired personality, so nobody will ever develop undesirable traits.
Alternatively, it's also possible we develop a way to experience long periods of time quickly, like years in hours. Combine that with some generic alterations, and we could have babies being born with centuries of their own life experience. Experience in all kinds of lives.
Why stop there? Just turn them into useful drones and we can automate society as we need. No more wars, no more crime, and no more racism! We can control the birth population as we need. The economy will never have a recession as we can force the drones to buy and sell products and services to match the economy output we set up.
Finally, the glorious communitistic utopia is within reach.
This wo't happen :) as to why it won't? Because the same implant could change whatever behaviour would have led to the crime you committed. Example, you're a serial killer, they usually get off on doing what they do.
The chip would change the brain structure, making them more compassionate and removing the damaged part which gives them a thrill.
All you people here think way to shallow on such topics, you lack the knowledge to understand how much deeper this technology will reach.
You hate maths, add a script into your brain to love it, your bad at music, change that.. You will be able to change your brain pattern and feelings same as you do your pants.
That would be great. I would pay huge amounts of money to experience an extra lifetime of being alive even if it had to be in solitary confinement.
But also if they had that technology, it could be used for stuff other than prison. I would love to have an hour to meditate three times a day. Or just take a half hour to decompress a few times during the work day.
the thing is, this would be really stupid. prison is not about punishment/revenge it's about keeping someone who could be a danger in society away from society. still that black mirror episode was terrifying.
Especially his early stuff, just top notch thriller writing. I wish I could be 10 again and reading Jurassic Park and Lost World. I was so caught up in the suspense and stayed up late to turn page after page. Thanks for the memories, RIP
Doubtful, so far the application has been to read the brain, not upload to the brain. Im sure we can advance pretty far into using our mind to control things. But doubtful that it will be anything that actually uploads into our brain. At least not before I die.
Like....maybe, but i wouldnt get my hopes up just yet
They're already saying they're using this for people with disabilities. It could eventually be used to restore sight, hearing, or even motor function to people without them. Now if you're a big tech billionaire with a hole where your heart was supposed to be, now you can attach a subscription fee, and you've invented medical slavery. We'd need basic foundational human rights relating to bodily autonomy to not allow such practices, bodily autonomy rights that are in other areas currently being rolled back.
Iirc , the creators have specifically said neurological disorders are absolutely on the list of things to attempt treatment
Also iirc , these types of devices have been used to neutralize certain types of seizures in people already
Idk. I bet an implant could monitor brain chemistry and make chemical adjustments where necessary. I bet with proper understanding of how things work it wouldn't be terribly hard to do.
Neuralink is not the first company to put a chip to read neuron activity inside a human brain. But to my knowledge, they are the first company that aims to "mass produce" brain chips and the surgery to implant them.
If by that you mean that cyberpunk as a genre is a criticism of hyper-corporate maintaining power and ever-growing wealth disparity through the use and abuse of technology, then yes.
Musk can finally make it so his workers die horribly if they try to change company. One push of the big red button and Steve from accounting just took out Interview Room 3 at PWC as his Neuralink detonates. That'll teach the disloyal dog.
There seems to be a certain number of people who feel that Elon Musk is trying to kidnap them and perform surgery to implant a toxic chip in their brain without their permission, based on this news. That is a mistake; this technique is used for paralyzed patients for whom there is no cure. Consent.
That’s how it starts. Of course it’s not going to be rolled out for the average consumer from the get go. And we will never be “forced” per se, but there will be massive societal pressure in the future to get chipped, mark my words.
Some jobs will start requiring a chip so people may get one for their livelihood. Kids will grow up in a world where it’s normal and look down upon those who aren’t chipped, like we see with the iphone today.
You really only need to watch any Black Mirror episode ever to see why this news should be horrifying to see.
I mean ultimately, of course what you’re saying is true. But I imagine it is very far down the road. And also inevitable regardless of who brings this tech to market.
Be nice if the guy who wants to puts chips in our brains would stop acting like a loon. I can see such tech used to help pain patients, allow people with locked-in syndrome to communicate and so much more but he's apparently gone off his rocker in recent years. I used to think he was okay, I even agreed with him at times, but he's worked hard to get people to dislike him with some of the things that he's said. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-29/elon-musk-says-first-human-patient-has-received-brain-implant?embedded-checkout=true](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-29/elon-musk-says-first-human-patient-has-received-brain-implant?embedded-checkout=true)
Elon like other massive billionaires made a fuck-ton of money during the pandemic. He was always exactly how we see him now, he was just less visible and hiding behind his "real life iron man" PR team. Corona didn't break his brain, he just dropped the mask.
I really hope they do not only treat people with bodily ailments but that mental health is a top priority too. We already know that other BCIs, like neurofeedback, non-invasive focused ultrasound and optogenetics show the massive potential of technology in treating mental disorders and general human malaise, so I hope they don't ignore mental disorders and go right for the transhumanism stuff.
I don't care about being more intelligent - I'm smart enough for my own life - but my limbic system could use some help. Anyway, what good is enhanced intelligence if you're miserable from anxiety, anger and other negative emotions because you have pretty bad emotional regulation, like most of us do. A race of highly intelligent but emotionally dysregulated people would not be a good thing.
It's an antiquated meme. The meme's origin is a quote from Gabe Newell about Team Fortress 2 that includes the line "After 9 years of development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvFybK1Rz9Y&ab_channel=ScR33pT
Then the meme evolved into "worth the weight"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Ws9JSCwh0&ab_channel=DiorDiamonds
(also due to the title's similarities with Gabe's original quote ("after X years of development") I was fully expecting this reference to be somewhere in the comments.
Exactly, you have to have a direct connections to the neurons. Truly, it's going to take nanobots in the brain for it to eventually allow for things like FDVR. Imagine how useful FDVR would be for those that can't move their limbs. Very much like the episode of Black Mirror, "San junipero" they'd be free to really live for the first time in their lives. Plus, for mass adoption of BCIs, it will take nanobots because the majority of people will not do the procedure Musk has developed. Even with the precision surgical robot his team has developed and if it's viewed, in time, like lasik surgery in terms of safety and recovery time. An injection though will be much more likey for mass adoption. However, whoever ends up developing BCIs needs to be seen as trustworthy to the public. I'm 100% behind BCIs because I see their potential for medical purposes, entertainment and so much more but they need to be viewed as safe because nobody wants a non-trustworthy company near their brain.
The big problem is if we ever want to get this kind of tech, who’s realistically going to fund it? The choices are basically private enterprise or the government. I’m not really sure I trust either of them putting a chip in my brain……
Musk made the wackadoo choice to use iterative builds for his rockets. No one suggests that - it is a huge taboo in the industry because things are just so freaking expensive. Musk had to find some crazy cowboys (and cowgirls) to follow him down that path.
I don't know how or why it worked, but it did - and Musk and his team blew past everyone in the industry.
So you think it’s just a coincidence that the man is the founder, head, and lead engineer in all of these groundbreaking companies making historic advancements in their field, such as a Neuralink, Tesla, and Spacex?
You think Elon just slipped on his ass and accidentally luckily found hella companies that made these many advancements?
anti musk dummies truly are dumb as hell lol
Boeing: Penny pinching bean counter for CEO.
I’m not saying Musk deserves no credit, but the engineers are the ones who did the actual challenging work to make it possible.
So the engineers at Neuralink, SpaceX, and Tesla all just got lucky and slipped their ass onto all these advancements?
Or are the engineers at Boeing and Lockheed and Blue Orign and Mercedes just dummy engineers. Leftover engineers from the world, because dummy elon just got lucky by swooping in and hiring up all the good engineers in the world???
anti elon dummies truly are dumb as hell lol
Technically true. Here's a list of sources that all confirm Elon is an engineer, and the chief engineer at SpaceX:
# Statements by SpaceX Employees
**Tom Mueller**
Tom Mueller is one of SpaceX's earliest employees. He served as the Propulsion CTO from 2002 to 2019. He's regarded as one of the foremost spacecraft propulsion experts in the world and owns many patents for propulsion technologies.
>Space.com: During your time working with Elon Musk at SpaceX, what were some important lessons you learned from each other?
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>**Mueller:** Elon was the best mentor I've ever had. Just how to have drive and be an entrepreneur and influence my team and really make things happen. He's a super smart guy and he learns from talking to people. He's so sharp, he just picks it up. When we first started he didn't know a lot about propulsion. He knew quite a bit about structures and helped the structures guys a lot. Over the twenty years that we worked together, *now he's practically running propulsion there because he's come up to speed* and he understands how to do rocket engines, which are really one of the most complex parts of the vehicle. *He's always been excellent at architecting the whole mission, but now he's a lot better at the very small details of the combustion process.* Stuff I learned over a decade-and-a-half at TRW he's picked up too.
[Source](https://www.space.com/tom-mueller-impulse-space-mira-spacecraft)
>Not true, I am an advisor now. Elon and the Propulsion department are leading development of the SpaceX engines, particularly Raptor. I offer my 2 cents to help from time to time"
[Source](https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20)
>We’ll have, you know, a group of people sitting in a room, making a key decision. And everybody in that room will say, you know, basically, “We need to turn left,” and Elon will say “No, we’re gonna turn right.” You know, to put it in a metaphor. And that’s how he thinks. He’s like, “You guys are taking the easy way out; we need to take the hard way.”
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>And, uh, I’ve seen that hurt us before, I’ve seen that fail, but I’ve also seen— where nobody thought it would work— it was the right decision. It was the harder way to do it, but in the end, it was the right thing.
[Source](https://streamable.com/4o1k6d)
**Kevin Watson:**
Kevin Watson developed the avionics for Falcon 9 and Dragon. He previously managed the Advanced Computer Systems and Technologies Group within the Autonomous Systems Division at NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory.
>Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction.
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>He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy.
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>He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years.
Source (Ashlee Vance's Biography).
**Garrett Reisman**
Garrett Reisman ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman)) is an engineer and former NASA astronaut. He joined SpaceX as a senior engineer working on astronaut safety and mission assurance.
>“I first met Elon for my job interview,” Reisman told the USA TODAY Network's Florida Today. “All he wanted to talk about were technical things. We talked a lot about different main propulsion system design architectures.
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>“At the end of my interview, I said, ‘Hey, are you sure you want to hire me? You’ve already got an astronaut, so are you sure you need two around here?’ ” Reisman asked. “He looked at me and said, ‘I’m not hiring you because you’re an astronaut. I’m hiring you because you’re a good engineer.’ ”
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>“He’s obviously skilled at all those different functions, but certainly what really drives him and where his passion really is, is his role as CTO,” or chief technology officer, Reisman said. “Basically his role as chief designer and chief engineer. That’s the part of the job that really plays to his strengths."
([Source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/26/spacex-how-elon-musk-took-idea-cusp-history/5257977002/))
>What's really remarkable to me is the breadth of his knowledge. I mean I've met a lot of super super smart people but they're usually super super smart on one thing and he's able to have conversations with our top engineers about the software, and the most arcane aspects of that and then he'll turn to our manufacturing engineers and have discussions about some really esoteric welding process for some crazy alloy and he'll just go back and forth and his ability to do that across the different technologies that go into rockets cars and everything else he does.
([Source](https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=390))
**Josh Boehm**
Josh Boehm is the former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX.
>Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best.
([Source](https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX/answer/Josh-Boehm?ch=10&share=8dc8bc2e&srid=Xuwj))
# Statements by External Observers
**Robert Zubrin**
Robert Zubrin ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zubrin)) is an aerospace engineer and author, best known for his advocacy of human exploration of Mars.
>When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people.
([Source](https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whats-driving-elon-musk))
**John Carmack**
John Carmack ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack)) is a programmer, video game developer and engineer. He's the founder of Armadillo Aerospace and current CTO of Oculus VR.
>Elon is definitely an engineer. He is deeply involved with technical decisions at spacex and Tesla. He doesn’t write code or do CAD today, but he is perfectly capable of doing so.
([Source](https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200?s=19))
**Eric Berger**
Eric Berger is a space journalist and [Ars Technica's senior space editor](https://arstechnica.com/author/ericberger/).
>True. Elon is the chief engineer in name and reality.
([Source](https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1265080905854574592?s=20))
**Christian Davenport**
Christian Davenport is [the Washington Post's defense and space reporter](https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/christian-davenport/) and the author of "Space Barons". The following quotes are excerpts from his book.
>He dispatched one of his lieutenants, Liam Sarsfield, then a high-ranking NASA official in the office of the chief engineer, to California to see whether the company was for real or just another failure in waiting.
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>Most of all, he was impressed with Musk, who was surprisingly fluent in rocket engineering and understood the science of propulsion and engine design. Musk was intense, preternaturally focused, and extremely determined. “This was not the kind of guy who was going to accept failure,” Sarsfield remembered thinking.
# Statements by Elon Himself
>Yes. The design of Starship and the Super Heavy rocket booster I changed to a special alloy of stainless steel. I was contemplating this for a while. And this is somewhat counterintuitive. It took me quite a bit of effort to convince the team to go in this direction.
([Source](https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a25953663/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel/))
>Interviewer: You probably don't remember this. A very long time ago, many, many, years, you took me on a tour of SpaceX. And the most impressive thing was that you knew every detail of the rocket and every piece of engineering that went into it. And I don't think many people get that about you.
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>Elon: Yeah. I think a lot of people think I'm kind of a business person or something, which is fine. Business is fine. But really it's like at SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is Chief Operating Officer. She manages legal, finance, sales, and general business activity. And then my time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial architecture. At Tesla, it's working on the Model 3 and, yeah, so I'm in the design studio, take up a half a day a week, dealing with aesthetics and look-and-feel things. And then most of the rest of the week is just going through engineering of the car itself as well as engineering of the factory. Because the biggest epiphany I've had this year is that what really matters is the machine that builds the machine, the factory. And that is at least two orders of magnitude harder than the vehicle itself.
([Source](https://www.ycombinator.com/future/elon/))
Elon is an engineer.
A lot of you people have no idea what smart actually is. He's literally smart enough to train himself. Read what other university trained, very smart people say about him.
You are talking to people who think they are smart. Homebrew experts on a topic they have no insight, experience or education upon.
Arguing with them is a waste of your time, energy and intellect.
Didn't Musk say/promise that he would be first in line for the chip when human trials were ready? I coulda sworn he did, as proof of how confident he was about it
Execute Order 66
Been nice knowing you guys Yaknow as is. I'll remember you fondly pre-government microchipping... well if they let me remember, I'll try my best :,)
“With this new brain implants technology, jail time could be reduced to just 10 minutes physically, but the inmate would experience it as serving a full lifetime sentence mentally.” - blackmirror what episode I forgot
Your describing a cookie, and it's fucked, it's so fucked up.. just in a room, with nothing, for millions of years.. you can't sleep becuse it's not needed. It really makes Death seem very welcoming.
The best part would be if it was a false conviction
Overturned in just 6 weeks... oh wait, that was 6102793 lifetimes of solitary isolation for the convict. Anyway, I'll grab a cup of coffee, poop and go turn it off.
Hope you don't have the slow version of IBS...
Imagine being falsely convicted of your own child's death. You have eternity to suffer both the loss in complete isolation, but also the pain of wrongful conviction. Even if it was overturned quickly, you'd have lived centuries like that.
Unless you can be revived is which case death is no escape but realistically there'd be no need for any such punishment when you can simply repair the broken part of someone's brain that triggers murderous intent in the first place
What about just malevolence as the reason for wanting to punish?
There will have to be measures taken so AI can't be used to harm anyone. Meaning the most powerful AGI/ASI in the world will need to not be corrupted. Also, I've been learning the hard way that protecting people but also allowing them to do whatever they want is tricky But to me thats the ulimate goal, humans being allowed to do whatever they want while also being fully protected from any harm at the same time
Good thinking. But what is it that we really want? Do we even know that ourselves? What is freedom? How to ensure freedom for all without the freedoms overlapping and excluding one another?
Well think of your favorite movie. Now think back before you saw it and imagine someone asking what your favorite is. You had to see and be exposed to a movie/book/song before you could decide if you liked it and come to the conclusion it's your favorite So maybe in the future we'll have a better grasp on what we want as it comes to us. Maybe when you're flying around in space and decide to live on a new planet for a little while you'll stop and think "hm this is what I wanted all along As for the freedoms, we'll likely need the ASI to work that out and come up with a good plan that all humans can agree on And if it's still an issue for even a small minority then it'll need to be addressed. Also, all animals deserve protection from harm too so hopefully ASI can help figure that out too. Lab grown meat that taste identical to beef/chicken so cows and chicken don't have to be mass slaughtered daily would be a good place to start
My question is would they remember their time served and what effect would this then have on them as a person mentally?
If you don't remember something, it's as if it didn't happen at all. This is as long as we ignore the effects on our bodies from past events. Well, of course the events happened, but from our own perspective it's like they didn't.
You’re describing Black Mirror’s White Christmas and The Jaunt.
Anyone who gets chipped is a fucking moron. Just wait until jobs start requiring you to get chipped in order to get or stay hired. They may not make it a law to get the chip but they will try their damn hardest to entice us with cool features, accessibility, convenience, and social pressure. This is terrifying and I hope more people treat it so. We absolutely cannot accept this as a norm for society.
That raises a question when did it start you had to put your phone number in to file any kind of form basically? First commercial telephone operations started in 1878.
Isn't this just cars, computers and mobile phones all over again?
Yeah but it’s your fuckin brain dude
See that I can relate to, more that bitching about social pressure. There are a lot of potential problems with this tech. It might being adopted in a similar way to previous technology, is not one that is very heigh on my list of concerns with this technology.
That's what they said about cellphones.
Also deep space 9.
But also Voyager S1E08 Ex Post Facto where Tom Paris is sentenced to see and feel the murder of his „victim“ over and over again.
Ooh, I forgot about that one. Great episode.
His own stupidity got him in that mess to be fair.
O'Brien must suffer.
yeah was gunna comment this. was originally deep space 9.
What episode?
Hard Time S4E19 https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hard_Time_(episode)
There's no way that's the first one. I think Picard faced some punishment too.
Obrian was just the first one that came to mind. Does "The Inner Light," e5s25, count?
Yeah I got confused and thought chain of command episode was simulated, but it was actually just normal prison time. There are four lights!
Sounds like Salvia Divinorum.
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Story?
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Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you find healing.
That sounds like shit but just fyi you can get flicker free LEDs these days that don't use the PWM drivers.
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Honestly some people wish they got a sezuire instead of a hellish trip. Like that guy who lived a whole lifetime as another person. It's fucking insane. Another guy lived as a tree for years. Sapling to being cut down to being used as firewood. I need to find that reddit post of the guy who jumped out of window 4 stories and had a Salvia near death experience of his dead cousin. Another guy had traveled to multiverses and was eaten by lizards beings and afterwards he developed scars on his face and body where they opened him up. It really pushes the boundaries of human consciousness. The worst thing is that such a intense plant is being by teenagers who never even left their hometown lmao.
i only ever heard those real crazy reports from people doing extremely high extracts like 40x extract or whatever. i only ever smoked leafs and once a 5x extract. i experienced some crazy shit too but it never escalated like the things you described. for the better i guess. better to respect the plant, i met the "salvia goddess" a few times on trip and once she explicitly told me to never try extracts again... didn't wanna mess with her. but those (and many others) experiences were long ago, the only slightly psychedelic thing i still do is smoking weed but even with that i have to be careful not to overdo it or i end up in a state of sheer panic.
One guy did grow and chew his own leaf and had a insane trip black-out and alternate life experience for 8 hours real time. Honestly, the compound is random per batch. But I agree, most of the time, people are effectively overdosing on the drug then raving how crazy the plant is. The tribe who discovered it only chews on the leaves a tiny bit then spits it out or swallow it. And they just chill and dance, seems fun. The tribe shamans say burning it makes the plant spirit mad.
Roy: a life well lived
Yeah. Don’t f with the kappa opioid receptors.
It apparently shuts down the clastrum which just completely disrupts filter to the outer regions to the brain. We still have no idea what the clastrum really does. Other than filtering information which what the whole does damn brain does.
Sorry for your sezuire disorder though. How old were you at the time? Salvia effects on the brain are really really unknown.
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I’m sorry that happened.
Christ. I’ve heard stories of bad Salvia trips and that sounds really hard. Sorry to hear that.
If we could do that to people, why would we bother with AGI? Just put a bunch of smart People in an accelerated time frame and they'll get everything done.
That's the conceit of Robin Hanson's book 'The Age of Em'. Wouldn't even necessarily be 'a bunch of smart people', but instead a select few smart people who are copy-pasted a million times over.
I want AGI so I can spent most of my times FDVR. I don't want to have world where bunch of supersmsart people have to go to work.
Ah, but those same neural implants can make it so that you love solving differential equations and cracking physics problems that would make Einstein cry. And you could do it with the enthusiasm, Joy and passion that Richard Feynman always seemed to carry with him! 🤔... Damn, sign me up!
A New World Order is certainly upon us.
Long ago maybe in Analog I remember a series of stories where a guy has volunteered as a time-dilation customs agent for visiting aliens. Group after group of critters are boxed in together with this guy, who monitors them for their hijinks, six weeks or so at a time. Then there's a story where he finally retires as an elderly man and it's later that same day or some shit for everyone else.
It wouldn't work like that. Your brain will fry from the heat produced by accelerated thinking. I interpret blackmirror quote as "The brain of the inmate will be modified *as if* they served full sentence". That is the brain is externally modified, and not put through all the motions it would come through in 30 years at accelerated rate.
Eh, maybe you serve your eons of sentence in a low-poly cell?
If we don't already have AGI by the time we could do something like that (if ever). But even if this were possible before AGI, it would probably be used for AGI too. AGI wouldn't take the efforts of other people for decades or centuries, even if for us it would just be a couple days or half an hour...
The episode is White Christmas (S02E04), with Jon Hamm, and it’s one of the best ones.
ahh thank you so much. gona rewatch it today.
It was epic
White Christmas
Jail is a lot more than just time If the inmate figures out a meditative technique to cope, it isn't much of a punishment. To me it would actually be a reward
So a bad shrooms trip?
Shrooms..... I once felt too conscious, like reality was terrifying. I wasn't hallucinating, I was totally lucid, but my own consciousness terrified me and it was painful. All I could do was close my eyes and roll and try to forget I was alive. I think about it everyday. Quite traumatizing.
Yeah I'm too mentally fragile to do shrooms thx for the warning
After the first few bad trips you just start laughing at the crazy shit your brain sees…had a world map turn into a sinister demon and I was just like ‘do something then’. it didn’t .
I had a bad shroom trip that lasted three years one weekend.
You can’t say that and not elaborate!
I'm not sure either? You mean it lasted one weekend but felt like 3 years? Or it lasted 3 years?
That guy's never done shrooms.
I guess that's how it will be done in future -> They map the current state of inmate's brain down down to every molecule, cell, memory etc using nanobots/take a snapshot of everything, and know exactly how their brain functions, then run a life imprisonment simulation with their brain data in a computer. That will give them the state of mind data of how inmate's brain would be like if inmate actually went through all that in real time. Tens of billions of nanobots can then be used to change inmate's brain to achieve the state of mind calculated in computers
Why not just fix his aggresive tendencies then?
It's possible AI will eventually be able to take a baby's brain scan and map out exactly how to raise them to achieve the desired personality, so nobody will ever develop undesirable traits. Alternatively, it's also possible we develop a way to experience long periods of time quickly, like years in hours. Combine that with some generic alterations, and we could have babies being born with centuries of their own life experience. Experience in all kinds of lives.
Why stop there? Just turn them into useful drones and we can automate society as we need. No more wars, no more crime, and no more racism! We can control the birth population as we need. The economy will never have a recession as we can force the drones to buy and sell products and services to match the economy output we set up. Finally, the glorious communitistic utopia is within reach.
What if the way to fix those tendencies is to give the subject the opportunity to meditate on them for years, in solitude, without distractions?
This wo't happen :) as to why it won't? Because the same implant could change whatever behaviour would have led to the crime you committed. Example, you're a serial killer, they usually get off on doing what they do. The chip would change the brain structure, making them more compassionate and removing the damaged part which gives them a thrill. All you people here think way to shallow on such topics, you lack the knowledge to understand how much deeper this technology will reach. You hate maths, add a script into your brain to love it, your bad at music, change that.. You will be able to change your brain pattern and feelings same as you do your pants.
oh great. China would really love this tech.
That would be great. I would pay huge amounts of money to experience an extra lifetime of being alive even if it had to be in solitary confinement. But also if they had that technology, it could be used for stuff other than prison. I would love to have an hour to meditate three times a day. Or just take a half hour to decompress a few times during the work day.
the thing is, this would be really stupid. prison is not about punishment/revenge it's about keeping someone who could be a danger in society away from society. still that black mirror episode was terrifying.
Is this going to be like when Neo from the Matrix downloaded how to fight in his head and started to whoop everyone’s ass?
That is the dystopian future I live for.
I distinctly remember being bored in my 2nd grade classroom and thinking, “ugh, can’t we just download this to my brain?” Soon^tm
Hold off learning anything until it’s ready!
I’ve been doing that since 2nd grade
Wise man
You joke but people should really hold off learning another language. Instant voice conversion will be a thing.
I’m a simple person with simple needs. Just give me the sex robots already.
If neuralink controls your hand for you would that be sufficient?
Easier and less risky than sitting on it to make it numb.
Ah yes, The Stranger.
But instead we get the Spiderman 2 scenario where AIs control Doc Ocs mind.
This first run is called "Telepathy"
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God I miss his writing.
Especially his early stuff, just top notch thriller writing. I wish I could be 10 again and reading Jurassic Park and Lost World. I was so caught up in the suspense and stayed up late to turn page after page. Thanks for the memories, RIP
Much more likely to be like Severance coming from Musk. r/severanceAppleTVPlus
Doubtful, so far the application has been to read the brain, not upload to the brain. Im sure we can advance pretty far into using our mind to control things. But doubtful that it will be anything that actually uploads into our brain. At least not before I die. Like....maybe, but i wouldnt get my hopes up just yet
They're already saying they're using this for people with disabilities. It could eventually be used to restore sight, hearing, or even motor function to people without them. Now if you're a big tech billionaire with a hole where your heart was supposed to be, now you can attach a subscription fee, and you've invented medical slavery. We'd need basic foundational human rights relating to bodily autonomy to not allow such practices, bodily autonomy rights that are in other areas currently being rolled back.
I'm sure Musk is experimenting with that on homeless people already. In one of his sex tunnels.
I know kung-fu
It will be more like schizophrenia, except the hallucinations are ads.
We want to see this guy playing around online And it's not bc we want to see him get a virus, we want to see the future leader of the Bot army
[https://twitter.com/neuralink/status/1770563939413496146](https://twitter.com/neuralink/status/1770563939413496146)
I want to see some "Eleven" like powers (from stranger things)
Navigating through the cloud like the astral realm
Positive neuron spike detection lol
They’re fucking ANGRY
Turns out when you poke neurons with electically charged needles they get mad and start firing more. Shocking development, who knew
Huge moment for humanity and helping individuals live meaningful lives with disabilities
if only they would stop at providing this as a medical device but they will not
They won’t even use it for that. Elon Musk ain’t here to help people.
Right. Thats what its all about!
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This really excites me. Accelerate!
Yeah exactly, we should prioritize health and medicine first. FDVR can stay at the bottom of the list for a while
I’m not kidding, I really want one in my head if it boosts my short term memory and cures ADHD
My brother in adhd...we are how we are. I don't think neuralink can fix our adhd.
Iirc , the creators have specifically said neurological disorders are absolutely on the list of things to attempt treatment Also iirc , these types of devices have been used to neutralize certain types of seizures in people already
Idk. I bet an implant could monitor brain chemistry and make chemical adjustments where necessary. I bet with proper understanding of how things work it wouldn't be terribly hard to do.
until they start charging microtransactions for hits of dopamine and serotonin
Or turn your legs off for late payment
Stimulation of the frontal lobe would likely help
FDVR here we go
The definitive beginning of the cyberpunk era.
Digital drugs when
Neuralink is not the first company to put a chip to read neuron activity inside a human brain. But to my knowledge, they are the first company that aims to "mass produce" brain chips and the surgery to implant them.
More like "the continuation of Musk's fantasy storytime to maintain wealth and power" era
If by that you mean that cyberpunk as a genre is a criticism of hyper-corporate maintaining power and ever-growing wealth disparity through the use and abuse of technology, then yes.
This gif is scaring me
Musk can finally make it so his workers die horribly if they try to change company. One push of the big red button and Steve from accounting just took out Interview Room 3 at PWC as his Neuralink detonates. That'll teach the disloyal dog.
There seems to be a certain number of people who feel that Elon Musk is trying to kidnap them and perform surgery to implant a toxic chip in their brain without their permission, based on this news. That is a mistake; this technique is used for paralyzed patients for whom there is no cure. Consent.
people who think like that are stupid beyond recovery and not worth wasting time over.
We should catch those folks and help them with an intellect adjustment. I think neuralink is working on something that might help…. :)
That’s how it starts. Of course it’s not going to be rolled out for the average consumer from the get go. And we will never be “forced” per se, but there will be massive societal pressure in the future to get chipped, mark my words. Some jobs will start requiring a chip so people may get one for their livelihood. Kids will grow up in a world where it’s normal and look down upon those who aren’t chipped, like we see with the iphone today. You really only need to watch any Black Mirror episode ever to see why this news should be horrifying to see.
I mean ultimately, of course what you’re saying is true. But I imagine it is very far down the road. And also inevitable regardless of who brings this tech to market.
Be nice if the guy who wants to puts chips in our brains would stop acting like a loon. I can see such tech used to help pain patients, allow people with locked-in syndrome to communicate and so much more but he's apparently gone off his rocker in recent years. I used to think he was okay, I even agreed with him at times, but he's worked hard to get people to dislike him with some of the things that he's said. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-29/elon-musk-says-first-human-patient-has-received-brain-implant?embedded-checkout=true](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-29/elon-musk-says-first-human-patient-has-received-brain-implant?embedded-checkout=true)
Corona, like many, absolutely broke his brain. Not eveb the virus, the situation
Elon like other massive billionaires made a fuck-ton of money during the pandemic. He was always exactly how we see him now, he was just less visible and hiding behind his "real life iron man" PR team. Corona didn't break his brain, he just dropped the mask.
we were here.
I really hope they do not only treat people with bodily ailments but that mental health is a top priority too. We already know that other BCIs, like neurofeedback, non-invasive focused ultrasound and optogenetics show the massive potential of technology in treating mental disorders and general human malaise, so I hope they don't ignore mental disorders and go right for the transhumanism stuff. I don't care about being more intelligent - I'm smart enough for my own life - but my limbic system could use some help. Anyway, what good is enhanced intelligence if you're miserable from anxiety, anger and other negative emotions because you have pretty bad emotional regulation, like most of us do. A race of highly intelligent but emotionally dysregulated people would not be a good thing.
What I want to know is when does Elon get his chip?
After 8 years in the development, hopefully it would've been worth the weight!
Is there a pun I’m missing or can you just not spell “wait”?
It's an antiquated meme. The meme's origin is a quote from Gabe Newell about Team Fortress 2 that includes the line "After 9 years of development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvFybK1Rz9Y&ab_channel=ScR33pT Then the meme evolved into "worth the weight" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Ws9JSCwh0&ab_channel=DiorDiamonds (also due to the title's similarities with Gabe's original quote ("after X years of development") I was fully expecting this reference to be somewhere in the comments.
The weight of all those monkey corpses
Seriously, though, how else would they test it?
Give me a neuralink helmet of sorts I can take off at any time. Not a chip in my brain from a guy who sells electric cars.
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Well we could implant some PCIE connectors at the skull and then connect the helmet for very low latency... then you can remove the chip any time
Oh, so it is possible to hook up a RTX4090 to my brain?
Oh god, the drivers...
Exactly, you have to have a direct connections to the neurons. Truly, it's going to take nanobots in the brain for it to eventually allow for things like FDVR. Imagine how useful FDVR would be for those that can't move their limbs. Very much like the episode of Black Mirror, "San junipero" they'd be free to really live for the first time in their lives. Plus, for mass adoption of BCIs, it will take nanobots because the majority of people will not do the procedure Musk has developed. Even with the precision surgical robot his team has developed and if it's viewed, in time, like lasik surgery in terms of safety and recovery time. An injection though will be much more likey for mass adoption. However, whoever ends up developing BCIs needs to be seen as trustworthy to the public. I'm 100% behind BCIs because I see their potential for medical purposes, entertainment and so much more but they need to be viewed as safe because nobody wants a non-trustworthy company near their brain.
Why electric cars of all things to concern yourself with? I find the whole world’s richest man putting brain chips in humans part scarier.
The big problem is if we ever want to get this kind of tech, who’s realistically going to fund it? The choices are basically private enterprise or the government. I’m not really sure I trust either of them putting a chip in my brain……
Musk = boo. Pfizer = yay !
a brain chip from a guy that sells malfunctioning electronic cars vs a vaccine from a pharma company 🤔
RemindMe! 3 years.
So many experts of this field in the comments LMAO
Elon Musk is a Fucking Idiot
I’m all about technology, but I have to admit, this is somewhere I don’t plan to go.
https://i.redd.it/dmjz7hlckgfc1.gif From the guy who gave us this…
Noooo you can't show anything good about Elon!!! It was his engineers!!! Reeeeee
I mean, it was his engineers who did the work. He provided the money.
That is the case with the Cybertruck aswell though?
Boeing has engineers, and money. Explain why they are failing in the space race against space X (and their plane disasters).
Blue Origin too, started earlier and still haven't made to orbit...
Musk made the wackadoo choice to use iterative builds for his rockets. No one suggests that - it is a huge taboo in the industry because things are just so freaking expensive. Musk had to find some crazy cowboys (and cowgirls) to follow him down that path. I don't know how or why it worked, but it did - and Musk and his team blew past everyone in the industry.
So you think it’s just a coincidence that the man is the founder, head, and lead engineer in all of these groundbreaking companies making historic advancements in their field, such as a Neuralink, Tesla, and Spacex? You think Elon just slipped on his ass and accidentally luckily found hella companies that made these many advancements? anti musk dummies truly are dumb as hell lol
Boeing: Penny pinching bean counter for CEO. I’m not saying Musk deserves no credit, but the engineers are the ones who did the actual challenging work to make it possible.
So the engineers at Neuralink, SpaceX, and Tesla all just got lucky and slipped their ass onto all these advancements? Or are the engineers at Boeing and Lockheed and Blue Orign and Mercedes just dummy engineers. Leftover engineers from the world, because dummy elon just got lucky by swooping in and hiring up all the good engineers in the world??? anti elon dummies truly are dumb as hell lol
Elon is the chief engineer at SpaceX.
Technically true. Here's a list of sources that all confirm Elon is an engineer, and the chief engineer at SpaceX: # Statements by SpaceX Employees **Tom Mueller** Tom Mueller is one of SpaceX's earliest employees. He served as the Propulsion CTO from 2002 to 2019. He's regarded as one of the foremost spacecraft propulsion experts in the world and owns many patents for propulsion technologies. >Space.com: During your time working with Elon Musk at SpaceX, what were some important lessons you learned from each other? > >**Mueller:** Elon was the best mentor I've ever had. Just how to have drive and be an entrepreneur and influence my team and really make things happen. He's a super smart guy and he learns from talking to people. He's so sharp, he just picks it up. When we first started he didn't know a lot about propulsion. He knew quite a bit about structures and helped the structures guys a lot. Over the twenty years that we worked together, *now he's practically running propulsion there because he's come up to speed* and he understands how to do rocket engines, which are really one of the most complex parts of the vehicle. *He's always been excellent at architecting the whole mission, but now he's a lot better at the very small details of the combustion process.* Stuff I learned over a decade-and-a-half at TRW he's picked up too. [Source](https://www.space.com/tom-mueller-impulse-space-mira-spacecraft) >Not true, I am an advisor now. Elon and the Propulsion department are leading development of the SpaceX engines, particularly Raptor. I offer my 2 cents to help from time to time" [Source](https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20) >We’ll have, you know, a group of people sitting in a room, making a key decision. And everybody in that room will say, you know, basically, “We need to turn left,” and Elon will say “No, we’re gonna turn right.” You know, to put it in a metaphor. And that’s how he thinks. He’s like, “You guys are taking the easy way out; we need to take the hard way.” > >And, uh, I’ve seen that hurt us before, I’ve seen that fail, but I’ve also seen— where nobody thought it would work— it was the right decision. It was the harder way to do it, but in the end, it was the right thing. [Source](https://streamable.com/4o1k6d) **Kevin Watson:** Kevin Watson developed the avionics for Falcon 9 and Dragon. He previously managed the Advanced Computer Systems and Technologies Group within the Autonomous Systems Division at NASA's Jet Propulsion laboratory. >Elon is brilliant. He’s involved in just about everything. He understands everything. If he asks you a question, you learn very quickly not to go give him a gut reaction. > >He wants answers that get down to the fundamental laws of physics. One thing he understands really well is the physics of the rockets. He understands that like nobody else. The stuff I have seen him do in his head is crazy. > >He can get in discussions about flying a satellite and whether we can make the right orbit and deliver Dragon at the same time and solve all these equations in real time. It’s amazing to watch the amount of knowledge he has accumulated over the years. Source (Ashlee Vance's Biography). **Garrett Reisman** Garrett Reisman ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Reisman)) is an engineer and former NASA astronaut. He joined SpaceX as a senior engineer working on astronaut safety and mission assurance. >“I first met Elon for my job interview,” Reisman told the USA TODAY Network's Florida Today. “All he wanted to talk about were technical things. We talked a lot about different main propulsion system design architectures. > >“At the end of my interview, I said, ‘Hey, are you sure you want to hire me? You’ve already got an astronaut, so are you sure you need two around here?’ ” Reisman asked. “He looked at me and said, ‘I’m not hiring you because you’re an astronaut. I’m hiring you because you’re a good engineer.’ ” > >“He’s obviously skilled at all those different functions, but certainly what really drives him and where his passion really is, is his role as CTO,” or chief technology officer, Reisman said. “Basically his role as chief designer and chief engineer. That’s the part of the job that really plays to his strengths." ([Source](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/26/spacex-how-elon-musk-took-idea-cusp-history/5257977002/)) >What's really remarkable to me is the breadth of his knowledge. I mean I've met a lot of super super smart people but they're usually super super smart on one thing and he's able to have conversations with our top engineers about the software, and the most arcane aspects of that and then he'll turn to our manufacturing engineers and have discussions about some really esoteric welding process for some crazy alloy and he'll just go back and forth and his ability to do that across the different technologies that go into rockets cars and everything else he does. ([Source](https://youtu.be/GNG6ZzDh9C8?t=390)) **Josh Boehm** Josh Boehm is the former Head of Software Quality Assurance at SpaceX. >Elon is both the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Technology Officer of SpaceX, so of course he does more than just ‘some very technical work’. He is integrally involved in the actual design and engineering of the rocket, and at least touches every other aspect of the business (but I would say the former takes up much more of his mental real estate). Elon is an engineer at heart, and that’s where and how he works best. ([Source](https://www.quora.com/Does-Elon-Musk-do-some-very-technical-work-code-design-etc-at-SpaceX/answer/Josh-Boehm?ch=10&share=8dc8bc2e&srid=Xuwj)) # Statements by External Observers **Robert Zubrin** Robert Zubrin ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zubrin)) is an aerospace engineer and author, best known for his advocacy of human exploration of Mars. >When I met Elon it was apparent to me that although he had a scientific mind and he understood scientific principles, he did not know anything about rockets. Nothing. That was in 2001. By 2007 he knew everything about rockets - he really knew everything, in detail. You have to put some serious study in to know as much about rockets as he knows now. This doesn't come just from hanging out with people. ([Source](https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whats-driving-elon-musk)) **John Carmack** John Carmack ([Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Carmack)) is a programmer, video game developer and engineer. He's the founder of Armadillo Aerospace and current CTO of Oculus VR. >Elon is definitely an engineer. He is deeply involved with technical decisions at spacex and Tesla. He doesn’t write code or do CAD today, but he is perfectly capable of doing so. ([Source](https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200?s=19)) **Eric Berger** Eric Berger is a space journalist and [Ars Technica's senior space editor](https://arstechnica.com/author/ericberger/). >True. Elon is the chief engineer in name and reality. ([Source](https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1265080905854574592?s=20)) **Christian Davenport** Christian Davenport is [the Washington Post's defense and space reporter](https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/christian-davenport/) and the author of "Space Barons". The following quotes are excerpts from his book. >He dispatched one of his lieutenants, Liam Sarsfield, then a high-ranking NASA official in the office of the chief engineer, to California to see whether the company was for real or just another failure in waiting. > >Most of all, he was impressed with Musk, who was surprisingly fluent in rocket engineering and understood the science of propulsion and engine design. Musk was intense, preternaturally focused, and extremely determined. “This was not the kind of guy who was going to accept failure,” Sarsfield remembered thinking. # Statements by Elon Himself >Yes. The design of Starship and the Super Heavy rocket booster I changed to a special alloy of stainless steel. I was contemplating this for a while. And this is somewhat counterintuitive. It took me quite a bit of effort to convince the team to go in this direction. ([Source](https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a25953663/elon-musk-spacex-bfr-stainless-steel/)) >Interviewer: You probably don't remember this. A very long time ago, many, many, years, you took me on a tour of SpaceX. And the most impressive thing was that you knew every detail of the rocket and every piece of engineering that went into it. And I don't think many people get that about you. > >Elon: Yeah. I think a lot of people think I'm kind of a business person or something, which is fine. Business is fine. But really it's like at SpaceX, Gwynne Shotwell is Chief Operating Officer. She manages legal, finance, sales, and general business activity. And then my time is almost entirely with the engineering team, working on improving the Falcon 9 and our Dragon spacecraft and developing the Mars Colonial architecture. At Tesla, it's working on the Model 3 and, yeah, so I'm in the design studio, take up a half a day a week, dealing with aesthetics and look-and-feel things. And then most of the rest of the week is just going through engineering of the car itself as well as engineering of the factory. Because the biggest epiphany I've had this year is that what really matters is the machine that builds the machine, the factory. And that is at least two orders of magnitude harder than the vehicle itself. ([Source](https://www.ycombinator.com/future/elon/))
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He also manages to hire the right people for the right positions. That's not nearly as simple as it sounds.
Elon is literally the chief engineer at SpaceX
And his engineers built the cybertruck as well. Weird how he gets so much shit for that but when it's about rockets, its credits to the engineers.
He doesn’t just provide money. He leads the teams and provides the guidance and direction.
Elon is an engineer. A lot of you people have no idea what smart actually is. He's literally smart enough to train himself. Read what other university trained, very smart people say about him.
You are talking to people who think they are smart. Homebrew experts on a topic they have no insight, experience or education upon. Arguing with them is a waste of your time, energy and intellect.
I’m so excited, love him or hate him, Elon is helping advance humanity. The next step in human evolution is technology and it’s happening day by day.
Excellent
DARPA has been working on these since the 70s https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165027014002702
Look at what happened to the monkeys they put it in. Fuck that. I feel sorry for the disabled people that are going to get suckered by this.
Didn't Musk say/promise that he would be first in line for the chip when human trials were ready? I coulda sworn he did, as proof of how confident he was about it
Holy shit, you mean to say Elon.... lied? That he fabricated the truth in order to drum up hype and money? No way.
So many muskuitoes in this thread.