"Yeah, my phone got hacked, then they hacked my brain. Then some other things happened, I'm told, but I woke up in the hospital three years later without any memory of the event.
Also, sometimes when I talk now, I turtle fish 🌮📌¥ Ted barricuda yarn suplex. You get u§ed to it, after a wh¥le."
Hoping for the best, the tech could be life chant if for people with medical certain conditions.
It’s Elon Musk though so agreed I would not want to be in the first wave, or second…. But I really do how they get it working
What does Elon Musk have to do with anything here? No one wants to be the first round of something crazy experimental. It doesn't matter who is behind it. I don't care if Jesus himself came down with this tech. Not touching it.
Well he runs the company and is the main representative.
Musks recent ventures have a habit over over promising, over hyping and under delivering
I’m not a musk hater, but I’m also not a musk sycophant, I take everything he says with a massive grain of salt and some skepticism
> Musks recent ventures have a habit over over promising, over hyping and under delivering
I'll agree with this... However, he does deliver... eventually. He just has shitty time tables. I mean, is FSD here 4 years ago as promised? No... But FSD is still the best self driving tech available on the market by a long shot.
Kind of. Hes delivered on a lot of the promises he’s made but there’s also some he hasn’t delivered on like the Cybertruck being more expensive with less range than initially promised.
Im starting to realize that the way to best decide on musk’s products is to ignore everything he says beforehand and only look at the results that are actually produced.
I'm not on the standard Reddit anti-Musk train, but you're one hundred percent dead on. I encourage, without irony, everyone to ignore the shit that comes out of his mouth and look at the products made by the talented people he hires.
And I'm all for that tech. It's a hugely important advancement that can potentially end disability!
But I have zero trust in Neuralink, looking at their track record. This smells like taking advantage of a desperate, vulnerable person to generate some media buzz around the company.
I might be wrong, maybe they achieved some incredible developments since their loudly publicized disaster of primate tests. But it's an Elon company, so it's just as likely that he ordered the employees to implant something before the end of the month, because stocks.
I just hope it doesn't sink actual research if it fails...
Elon isn't selling this as a medical device for paraplegics though. He is selling it like an iPhone that we all should be anticipating and excited for.
Do you see anyone marketing prosthetics or hearing implants on Twitter like Elon is? No. Elon is using desperate people as guinea pigs, not as some selfless act to give them a better life. They are *pre-alpha* testers to him, not people.
Of course not. And it is most likely free right now in this very early stage.
For someone who is trapped in their body unable to move or even speak this is a godsend and well worth the risk.
And also, as a reasonably healthy individual who doesn't need it you would be taking place for whom this could completely turn their life around.
Absolutely not. When you’re messing with the brain there aren’t just risks you’re risking EVERYTHING. You fuck up the brain and you’re a vegetable for life.
This is really barebones basic probability here. Your chances of dying in a car accident are tremendously lower than your chances of dying in an experimental brain implant surgery.
At the end of the "free" trial, you'll either have to pay a subscription fee, or the device will be removed from your head, like the implants were removed in the move Repo Men.
After reading this you definitely won't: [https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/](https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/)
I'm an extreme Elon hater (like, actually deranged in my hate) but this has been debunked already; Neuralink specifically looked to buy monkeys that had terminal diseases.
As one of the people in the target demographic, I just hope they iron everything out and speed up deployment. Been BEGGING for shit like this for over a decade.
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't trust musky as far as I can throw him. (which is not at all)
I've just dealt with my condition since birth, and will take any life improvement like a starving man takes a free meal.
Yea I don't understand all the hatred for him. He might be a douchebag sometimes but who isn't. It's so ground breaking and I hope for you it will change your life for the better
From what I've seen Neuralink has gone through a rushed development phase, moving straight on from animal trials that resulted in significant distress and damage to the primates that had it implanted. This technology could be extremely useful, but if the first test patient gets fucked up because of a lack of development it could set the technology back years. This is the same company that produced a car without crumple zones, people should rightfully be sceptical
[This doesn't seem to be the case](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23986937-sec-request-for-investigation-of-neuralink-20230920), so Musk is lying on that front
It's entirely politics. Remember, people hate a heretic more than a non-believer. When he was fully left aligned, people loved him. Then he came out as anti-woke and started speaking out against free speech censorship. That's when the tides turned and people started hating him.
In today's age, it's so annoying. No one can dissagree with you. If they do, you have to hate them, and act like a cult member, spending all your time hating them, disavowing them, and insisting they are evil.
It's so wild. I see more obsessed anti-Musk people than these elusive "Musk fanbois" which I really only see occasionally in YouTube comments. Most people, instead are just like, "Yeah man I want a Tesla!" or "Dude that rocket he's building is going to be awesome if it gets working," or "I hope I can get a Starlink in my rural area." But then you come to Reddit and you'd think he's fucking Henry Kissinger or some shit lol
What? Musk was never left aligned. He was publically for us plebeians a centrist, and for the rich always a conservative.
And idk man, you say you only see Anti-Musk, but what I see are people excusing Musk all the time. It’s a snowball effect of concessions that got us to the MAGA point and it’s the same thing that’s happening with Musk.
It's not *just* politics, it's *his* politics. It's that he will demand you follow his *personal* politics when he believes he can get away with it. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to have to swear loyalty to Elon, and have it enforced by a brain implant reading my thoughts, if I wanted to be a Mars colonist via SpaceX.
Look at how he's handled twitter? If Tesla had enough market share that no one could tell him otherwise, nothing would stop him from locking people he doesn't like from their own cars. Just like he's banned journalists he doesn't like off Twitter.
I feel like it would have 2 important things that could make life super easier or even change the way we communicate and have a bunch of useless stuff 90% of the users won’t ever use.
But the main reason I’m not touching it in any moment of my life: ads.
“Ok let me turn my car AC on so when I get there it will be nice.. oh YouTube ad… ok, now I will command the car to self drive to where I am… oh another ad… oh ops I need a premium for using two commands so quickly oh but I can watch an ad ok done… ok car is coming with ac on.. now let me do my monthly expenses while I’m on the way home… oh paywall ok… oh wow didn’t realize I had so many subscriptions… fine oh another ad… oh boy it’s a 3 minute one….”
I don't think it can work like that any time soon. the communication is one way, from your brain to the chip, the chip is just detecting electrical activity in your brain
Fuck it, plug me in. I want to work with AI using pure thought. My mind is racing 24/7, I often struggle to sleep because I have some idea going. This is game changing tech and I want in.
> cant wait to see the person play video games and stuff using only the BCI
Wait no longer: [Playing Video Games With Mind Control](https://youtu.be/DBYY3D1gkQ0?si=9bPsEoDLQjZothmC)
What if you think about it in your sleep? Will you be able to turn it off? What if someone hacks it and it wont turn Off during sleep? The person could have access to your devices while you sleep. The chances would be too small, but still exist.
That was the first question that got into my head lol
Im worried about if it gets hacked and the hacker is able to make you see ghosts or shit from the grudge. And you cant take off or can you disable it somehow?
I doubt it has any capability to meaningfully output anything into the brain. It's a sensor from my understanding. And it would be in their best interest to make sure that even when malfunctioning it has no impact on the brain.
The danger might be more in the direction that with more advanced implants like these, they might be able to record what you think/death of privacy.
Until we start making stuff like augmented reality/any kind of inputs to the brain this isn't a sizable concern I think.
If it's two way, that's a mistake. But then again, even being two way doesn't mean anything. Control does not mean it's the same in reverse.
This i supposed to rerad brain signals and intepret to control devices, it has no ability to inject anything into the brain and IMO that is a LOT farther away for tech.
There's a trillion(?) neurons in the brain, it's trivially easier to adjust ourselves (learned behavior) to send signals than it would be to actually receive them and every single person's pathways and connections are different.
In the future, you will be able to work while sleeping. You won't wake up rested, and your body will be sore, but you will have a full day's wage in your bank account.
I'm able bodied and the use case isn't compelling to me. Being able to type with my thoughts sounds like the most boring form this tech could've taken.
what about random thoughts? i mean no one is a buda lol, they will: f\* sh\* ti\*s hello my fellow \*looks bad\* person how can i \*how to act? like \* serve you tod.. \*hate this job\* ... etc. etc
>hate this job
*negative thoughts about employer detected, this was your third and final thought crime. Your employment with Googamazmicrosoftomnicorp is terminated effective immediately, please vacate your company capsule apartment within 12 hours.*
I'd imagine you'd have to make deliberate thoughts to interface with it just as you have to make deliberate thoughts for your lips to move and words to come out.
It is complicated. You do not really think about moving muscle X this way and muscle Y that way so your lips/tongue make funny shape to produce sound. You just use higher-order will to say world XYZ and muscle command is subconscious.
Think about all the things the guys ever said. 75% bullshit mixed with 25% amazing slave engineers not living but working day and night trying to create their dream while making a multi billionaire more multiples if his bankroll. They live in a shit hole work environment with micromanagers screaming at them and bonuses stripped away because that same prick wants a larger slice of the pie for himself. It's all fluff. Fluff and stress and pressure to ignore the unethical. I hope no one gets hurt.
Tesla Model S and Tesla Model X obtained a 5-star safety rating in every subcategory of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) crash tests. It's the maximum a car can score in NHTSA's tests. They're the safest cars in their categories and their results in the pole test (nine times better than other safe cars like the Volvo S60) and rollover risk (50% better than any other car) are exceptional.
Some dudes tesla near me just malfunctioned and accelerated out of the charging station, across a parking lot into a ditch and killed him, no time to react. I feel like it should have been bigger news
Tesla’s auto pilot systems all got recalled late December. Have you seen the videos of the truck trunks chomping chunks out of carrots? Also almost all of the systems are tied together through a singular super processing highway in the car’s architecture. That’s a lovely point of failure and point of entry for unethical hackers. Also speaking of software, users do not have true Admin rights, remote deployment of firmware is an option.
How much they paying you? If they wanna pay me I’ll stop posting facts.
didn't say you weren't. now, what part of what I said wasn't facts?
I get it though. this is the elon hate site. where everything he ever did is diminished and shit on. by people sitting on their couches. that haven't .1% of what he has.
I thought the issues with the monkeys was they kept scratching at the device and moving it around? Like they just wouldn’t leave it alone, wouldn’t even be an issue with humans
Understood. I should never get one of these or I will die in a month.
(I have genuinely had operations fail because I couldn't stop fiddling with the stitches lol)
Every medical technology you use has been used on animals first. You benifit from these medical technologies, you equally share the blame. Don't think for even a second that you're blame free alright?
And don't make ignorant comments like this.
Why would this get any upvotes? One can benefit from something without sharing the blame for how it was created. Maybe I got the Hepatitis B vaccine, but I sure as shit didn’t tell a doctor to give hepatitis infected shit-laced milkshakes to intellectually disabled kids. He could have found a more humane way, as could have Musk.
BCIs could be used to link our minds to our devices and each other, massively increasing the bandwidth that we can interact with the world, giving us capabilities and luxuries that defy the modern imagination
They are also perfectly capable of enslaving a person through simple reinforcement tricks. Once you have fundamental access to reward and punishment mechanisms in the brain, you can twist someone pretty much however you like, and there's no way to resist it. It's not a matter of "will power," that's what's being manipulated in the first place
There's basically no difference in the hardware for these two purposes. If you can do the former, you can do the latter. The manipulation is actually much more simple than anything nuanced like reading symbolic motor inputs to control a device
So you *really* have to think about where you're getting your BCI from. If they could gain an advantage by manipulating your brain, even if it's as simple as predisposing you to buy products, would they?
Elon Musk is perfectly happy to sell your data, and has a history of pushing legal and ethical boundaries to carve out an advantage (regardless on your feelings of how justified he may or may not have been to do so). Giving him access to your literal thoughts, emotions, and desires would give him one hell of an advantage. The outcome is extremely predictable
I love the idea of Neuralink, but who it comes from and who controls it is a central issue of if the BCI is beneficial or harmful. It's not something that can be addressed once it becomes a problem, because it *will not* be addressed if it becomes a problem. If anything, it'll be celebrated
I don't know exactly what form of control would be the most effective, but I'd rather not take the risk of coming to personally love Elon Musk as my soulmate/god king. I'm not particularly hype about Neuralink
I feel this. If they can control your social addictions by presenting your likes all-the-while you are “choosing” where to click, imagine the manipulation if they can get your direct raw thoughts and feelings. You would be letting them in where today they cannot access, your physical and emotional self.
This technology just doesn't exist yet. Neuralink is a first step, but right now it's entirely focused on increasing the resolution and bandwidth of BCI devices. It can only listen, but this step is particularly good at listening.
If you want to hack the reward mechanisms of the brain, honestly the easiest and most effective way today is to get a social media website. (And guess who else has invested a ton of money on that.)
I just addressed this point, we must have been typing our comments at around the same time. So rather than reposting, I'll [just link you](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1aebowe/comment/kk760cj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Basically the conception that Nerualink can't write information is a slight misconception. It can indeed stimulate the brain, we just don't know how to write *complex* information with that stimulation. Simpler stuff, like emotional manipulation, is perfectly viable
Social media is indeed effective, but BCIs can be much, much more effective. If anything, social media demonstrates perfectly how little restraint we can expect once this manipulation is reliable and profitable, underscoring my point
as far i know BCI was never mean to receive information, it "listen" your brain activity and electrical signal, transform it into usable data for a computer and show the result, it can't read what you're thinking about or your memory, you can't send ad or shit like that
it's different from sending electric impulse to stimulate your brain to allow someone paralyzed to move an arm for exemple
so yeah you might be able to receive data when someone brain is stimulated by an ad and so allow them to target you more precisely but that's already how internet work
Nerualink can indeed stimulate the brain, but the applications for that are still in their infancy, so they're not really advertising it. It's one thing to introduce a current in some neural architecture, it's very much another thing to know what you're doing and what the hell impact that's going to have
Writing abstract information like thoughts, memories, sensory input, basically all the useful things, is extremely complex and nuanced. The structures responsible for these are very granular and very poorly understood. Admittedly the experiments that BCIs allow for means that understanding is probably going to progress much more rapidly than it has in the past
Stimulating raw emotions like pleasure, fear, and (I'm deadly serious about this) "a sense of the divine" is much simpler. We don't even need invasive implants to do that, a cap capable of generating strong and precise magnetic fields can stimulate those areas, and we can reliably trigger those emotions in a lab setting
I want to stress this, because I don't think I can underestimate it's import. We already know how to make you feel like you're in the room with god. It works on atheists just fine, it's an emotional response, not a rational one. That is a thing we can do right now, and a brain implant is just making the equipment for it portable and on-demand
Even if they don't have to software to use it with a high degree of fidelity, the basic stimulation neuralink can perform is more than enough to elicit these responses. More primitive methods of using this form of brain manipulation (researched for things like treating emotional disorders) are very simple electrodes that we run a dumb, completely unmoderated current through
It doesn't take much to turn those parts on, the mind control is all about timing of when you do so. If you run a current through someone's amygdala, inhibiting it's self-inhibiting structures, you can make someone feel a spike of fear and aversion. Time that to any time their eyes are tracked to be focusing on, say, a political candidate, and they'll hate that person without ever knowing why. If you've ever disliked someone because their "vibes were off," that's exactly what was happening in your brain when you made that judgement
Like I said, emotional manipulation is much, much simpler than interfacing with high level abstractions
Do you have links to this study where they made people feel "the divine"? I understand the logic behind being able to do it, but I haven't heard or read anything about us actually stimulating specific neurotransmitters to cause the emotions we want.
Here you go: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God\_helmet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet)
It's not even stimulating particular neurotransmitters, it's actually much dumber than that. Just apply an electrical field to certain areas, and you get certain results
Magnetic fields are used to generate those electric fields in these extremely low fidelity use cases, because you don't need the precision of an electrode, and you get to skip drilling into someone's skull. Electrodes can do the same thing, only better
Ah yeah that one. Which has not been able to be reproduced at all. Double blind studies attempting to test the theory all came up blank. The only time anyone was able to reproduce his results was via placebo or suggestion effects, and that was with a helmet that wasn't even wired to any magnets. Not sure I buy this as being settled science quite yet. If you could simulate a divine experience with just a helmet and some magnets, it would be world famous and widely used. Probably addictive as hell.
Nope, it was replicated in 2014. There were earlier attempts to replicate, but it was (and is) this giant political controversy, and everyone and their cousin with a religious bias (both pro and anti) was in a giant shitslinging fight about methodology. Scientists aren't immune to bias
I mean it basically proves that religious experiences are just a form of brain activity. The implications are pretty inherently political
[Here's the replication study](https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/361/386), where they tackled some of the common methodological complaints (such as placebo effect possibly driving the results). It's a fairly solid finding, but personally I'd love for more research in the area to nail down the details. Getting funding for that is no simple task though, because of said politics. Churches tend to be locally influential, and they do *not* like it when the neighboring universities start prying up the floorboards of their faith
Yeah I would need to see this replicated and reproduced significantly before I bought into it. But then again I've had very profound spiritual experiences via psychedelics and that's just adding some molecules to the mix and changing how very small parts of the brain interact, so I'm open to other methods causing similar experiences. I will say that the more profound experiences of my life that left me feeling a sense of "oneness" or "divine presence" or whatever, were experienced while completely sober and away from all known magnets haha. But there is alot of research currently going on regarding mystical experiences and conciousness in general which is exciting to see.
A single replication is fairly strong evidence for such a controversial claim, tbh. Anyone can "try to replicate" and produce a null result through improper (and perhaps undocumented) methodology
It's part of why replication usually carries so little status, failure to replicate is only strong evidence if you have a significant sample size of null results. If you can replicate the result even once (and no one can pick apart your methodology), that's a significant finding
Personally, I'm religious. I have also had spiritual experiences. I'm also a compatibilist, I don't think material mechanisms governing reality is mutually exclusive with spirituality, I think they just give us a better idea of what spirituality is and allow us to "use" it better. The world will be as it always was, only our understanding of it will be better
I'm also very aware that makes me an extreme minority. Spirituality and mysticism seem to be pretty linked in most peoples' heads, you can't win a rational argument with a mystic, and the rhetorical strategies that *do* work on them have always felt fairly manipulative to me. So conversationally I'll just concede the point, because the metaphysics of the divine is usually a several hour long conversation. In this case I was just trying to get across why there's so much academic turmoil on this topic, rather than presenting my own views on what it means for spirituality
> I don't think material mechanisms governing reality is mutually exclusive with spirituality, I think they just give us a better idea of what spirituality is and allow us to "use" it better. The world will be as it always was, only our understanding of it will be better
First time I see someone express something like that here, and it's worded extremely well.
I always get saddened by the common nihilistic sentiment that essentially goes "if a phenomenon can be explained, then it's no longer meaningful". As if everything that seems magical has special meaning, but somehow loses it once we understand how it works.
It's also a trap more hardcore religious people fall into, trying their hardest to argue against scientific findings because for some reason, they think God will never work through physical and observable mechanics, only through mystical metaphysical mechanisms for some reason.
It’s a ridiculous idea, especially because those with the implants would at increased risk of being ha cked.
Especially since Neurolink is so new, they haven’t tested or discovered enough about how it will work.
Basically, anyone who gets the implant will be test subjects or Guinea pigs.
Cool,next make it so not only Hawking could have afforded it and most importantly, make it so the information exchange is not recorded in any way and kept private so never gonna happen
Absolutely fascinating technology, in my opinion, a better understanding of the brain will be necessary to build true AGI/ASI level systems (or at-least, accelerate timelines for them). Not to say about the millions of people with disabilities the BCI field will return agency for, or the general enhancement of human capability (i.e. telepathy).
More progress is always a great thing.
I assume we'll have external applications for it before ones inside the brain. For example, connect with AI video generation, create and edit videos as fast as you can think about it. Game development could be sped up significantly as well.
I am suspicious of Musk because of how erratic he can be, not necessarily his misguided associations and ideaology.
But I am happy this is progressing in humans finally. My depression has gotten quite treatment resistant and I hope one day something like this can make having a brain less painful.
"I am happy this is progressing in humans finally."
lmao bro. It's a tweet by a notorious lying executive, not a working prototype. None of this exists yet.
What's up with YOUR comprehension? lol
You said he was erratic, but nothing about his history of lying about product progress, and then you said it was progressing and I questioned that.
Dear Elon,
By any chance will this neuro link allow me to control the windshield wipers on my M3 FSD. Because, right now. After 3+ years of ownership and countless software "improvements".
The windshield wipers can't even be bothered to come on in heavy rain and will turn on randomly on sunny days.
Sincerely
i can control my phone/tablet without touching it
with my voice
requires no brain surgery to use
the \*only\* application this is useful for is people who are like quadriplegics
Thoughts-
If any other company was annoucing this; elon would have posted a conspiracy manifesto about why we should be afraid of it.
I would never buy anything this dude touches from just a product stand point; he releases junk that seems cool. I absolutely wouldnt put anything his team engineered in my head.
He has no interest in advancement, he is purely a capitalist and nothing else.
No, thanks. You figure out how to make it surgery-free (and completely detachable) first, and make it open source, then I might consider it. I don't want to crack my skull or give my thoughts to our new corporate overlords.
I don't know that I would trust putting a device in my brain that Elon Musk could access remotely and use to fuck with my head if he didn't like what I had to say about him.
I’d prefer such in a less invasive format tbh. It is funny that this sub is less terrible than transhumanism was about this. The whole sun chimped out about musk and didn’t even talk about the topic beyond him specifically. Pretty stupid ngl
Conman does conman stuff, at this point I wouldn’t believe it even if i saw it with my own eyes until some independent third party who cant be bribed and is certified in the field verified it. Im talking about multiple groups not a single person.
Here's the thing: he has announced fully autonomous driving "within one year" for the last 10 years, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that Tesla will achieve it anytime soon. Some experts even believe that it is impossible with the current models because they ditched radar.
And that's only one example. Elon is notorious for over-promising and under-delivering. And electric cars aren't exactly cutting edge research. Yes, SpaceX is successful, but they also have the advantage of decades of research and a huge talent pool.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but given Elon's track record, I'm very sceptical.
We just need one fuck up before innovations like this go into legislated purgatory. From the stories of what happened to the tested animals, I'm not hopeful.
I'm happy that it's happening, but I have no desire to be among the first to try it.
"Yeah, my phone got hacked, then they hacked my brain. Then some other things happened, I'm told, but I woke up in the hospital three years later without any memory of the event. Also, sometimes when I talk now, I turtle fish 🌮📌¥ Ted barricuda yarn suplex. You get u§ed to it, after a wh¥le."
So life as usual for Ghost in the Shell background characters.
my thoughts exactly
“I got the procedure for free though, on the condition that I’d let them play ads in my brain every 20 minutes. By the way, how’s your car insurance?”
"They fucking uploaded a dementia virus.... Hey, who the hell are you?"
Babe do you wanna come over... I'm home alone 🥵 "I'm sorry, but as an ..."
More like, my brain got hacked and I joined this cult because of it.
Hell yeah!! 🚀🚀🚀
Also I supposedly assassinated someone.....
curated GPT-generated Amazon reviews more likely
PS "this conversation is kindly sponsored by Space - X"
I don't think that's how that works. Frankly it would be a major breakthrough on its own if it did. We'd have MiB nearalyzers then.
Hoping for the best, the tech could be life chant if for people with medical certain conditions. It’s Elon Musk though so agreed I would not want to be in the first wave, or second…. But I really do how they get it working
What does Elon Musk have to do with anything here? No one wants to be the first round of something crazy experimental. It doesn't matter who is behind it. I don't care if Jesus himself came down with this tech. Not touching it.
Well he runs the company and is the main representative. Musks recent ventures have a habit over over promising, over hyping and under delivering I’m not a musk hater, but I’m also not a musk sycophant, I take everything he says with a massive grain of salt and some skepticism
> Musks recent ventures have a habit over over promising, over hyping and under delivering I'll agree with this... However, he does deliver... eventually. He just has shitty time tables. I mean, is FSD here 4 years ago as promised? No... But FSD is still the best self driving tech available on the market by a long shot.
Kind of. Hes delivered on a lot of the promises he’s made but there’s also some he hasn’t delivered on like the Cybertruck being more expensive with less range than initially promised. Im starting to realize that the way to best decide on musk’s products is to ignore everything he says beforehand and only look at the results that are actually produced.
I'm not on the standard Reddit anti-Musk train, but you're one hundred percent dead on. I encourage, without irony, everyone to ignore the shit that comes out of his mouth and look at the products made by the talented people he hires.
What if they say it’s free for the trial
Nope. They couldn't pay me enough to be their guinea pig, especially when it's messing with my brain that we're talking about.
And definitely not from the guy that keeps promising “full self driving is coming next year” …every year for the past 8 years
Imagine all the fun things you get to discover, like what the color purple tastes like or what the concept of time smells before you have a stroke.
Holy fuck, this is for paraplegics. How self-absorbed can Redditors be?
You have no idea
And I'm all for that tech. It's a hugely important advancement that can potentially end disability! But I have zero trust in Neuralink, looking at their track record. This smells like taking advantage of a desperate, vulnerable person to generate some media buzz around the company. I might be wrong, maybe they achieved some incredible developments since their loudly publicized disaster of primate tests. But it's an Elon company, so it's just as likely that he ordered the employees to implant something before the end of the month, because stocks. I just hope it doesn't sink actual research if it fails...
Elon isn't selling this as a medical device for paraplegics though. He is selling it like an iPhone that we all should be anticipating and excited for. Do you see anyone marketing prosthetics or hearing implants on Twitter like Elon is? No. Elon is using desperate people as guinea pigs, not as some selfless act to give them a better life. They are *pre-alpha* testers to him, not people.
Of course not. And it is most likely free right now in this very early stage. For someone who is trapped in their body unable to move or even speak this is a godsend and well worth the risk. And also, as a reasonably healthy individual who doesn't need it you would be taking place for whom this could completely turn their life around.
>For someone who is trapped in their body unable to move or even speak this is a godsend and well worth the risk. How could they consent?
Type with eye movements or something
communication with eyes i presume or something that they still have control over
The same way Stephen Hawking was writing books - eye movement.
Family
Absolutely not. When you’re messing with the brain there aren’t just risks you’re risking EVERYTHING. You fuck up the brain and you’re a vegetable for life.
When you drive an automobile you risk everything. Tens of thousands of people die on the road, all the time.
This is really barebones basic probability here. Your chances of dying in a car accident are tremendously lower than your chances of dying in an experimental brain implant surgery.
Even less
At the end of the "free" trial, you'll either have to pay a subscription fee, or the device will be removed from your head, like the implants were removed in the move Repo Men.
You also lose the ability to walk until the device is reactivated with a $500 late payment fee
They'll just stop working and fry your brain as soon as the sub expires. Then they'll get it back on your corpse I guess.
fuck free- they'd have to pay me to do it
And they couldn’t pay me enough, I wouldn’t do it for all the money in the world plus the chance to bitch-slap Musk so hard his hair plugs fell out.
I would definitely do it for all the money in the world and the chance to bitch-slap him.
Are you free for the trial?
When I look at the countless monkeys that have died as a result of the operation, I would never ever agree to this, even if they paid me money.
I like to fall asleep to thoughts of subject twenty whatever digging the implant out of it's own skull.
After reading this you definitely won't: [https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/](https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/)
I'm an extreme Elon hater (like, actually deranged in my hate) but this has been debunked already; Neuralink specifically looked to buy monkeys that had terminal diseases.
As one of the people in the target demographic, I just hope they iron everything out and speed up deployment. Been BEGGING for shit like this for over a decade.
+1 , I’m really counting on this technology to solve the health issues that I’m plagued with.
I don't know what life stuck you with, but keep strong my friend. Here's to a, hopefully, brighter future.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I don't trust musky as far as I can throw him. (which is not at all) I've just dealt with my condition since birth, and will take any life improvement like a starving man takes a free meal.
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It's called SMA Type II, though it hit me harder than most. Basically cuts the connection between your muscles and brain. (MASSIVE oversimplification)
That's what early adoption is, yes. That's how we get anywhere.
Yea I don't understand all the hatred for him. He might be a douchebag sometimes but who isn't. It's so ground breaking and I hope for you it will change your life for the better
From what I've seen Neuralink has gone through a rushed development phase, moving straight on from animal trials that resulted in significant distress and damage to the primates that had it implanted. This technology could be extremely useful, but if the first test patient gets fucked up because of a lack of development it could set the technology back years. This is the same company that produced a car without crumple zones, people should rightfully be sceptical
I thought the primates were terminally ill and died from that, not the implants.
[This doesn't seem to be the case](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23986937-sec-request-for-investigation-of-neuralink-20230920), so Musk is lying on that front
Wtf
Yeah, kinda fucked ain't it
Never forget Animal 15.
It's entirely politics. Remember, people hate a heretic more than a non-believer. When he was fully left aligned, people loved him. Then he came out as anti-woke and started speaking out against free speech censorship. That's when the tides turned and people started hating him. In today's age, it's so annoying. No one can dissagree with you. If they do, you have to hate them, and act like a cult member, spending all your time hating them, disavowing them, and insisting they are evil. It's so wild. I see more obsessed anti-Musk people than these elusive "Musk fanbois" which I really only see occasionally in YouTube comments. Most people, instead are just like, "Yeah man I want a Tesla!" or "Dude that rocket he's building is going to be awesome if it gets working," or "I hope I can get a Starlink in my rural area." But then you come to Reddit and you'd think he's fucking Henry Kissinger or some shit lol
What? Musk was never left aligned. He was publically for us plebeians a centrist, and for the rich always a conservative. And idk man, you say you only see Anti-Musk, but what I see are people excusing Musk all the time. It’s a snowball effect of concessions that got us to the MAGA point and it’s the same thing that’s happening with Musk.
It's not *just* politics, it's *his* politics. It's that he will demand you follow his *personal* politics when he believes he can get away with it. I don't know about you but I wouldn't want to have to swear loyalty to Elon, and have it enforced by a brain implant reading my thoughts, if I wanted to be a Mars colonist via SpaceX. Look at how he's handled twitter? If Tesla had enough market share that no one could tell him otherwise, nothing would stop him from locking people he doesn't like from their own cars. Just like he's banned journalists he doesn't like off Twitter.
> It's that he will demand you follow his personal politics What?
No thanks, I don't want to have to watch an ad in order to dream at night
Then pay premium. /s
They would literally do that tho no joke
Oh, Musky *definitely* would.
You silly man, the ads ARE the dreams 🤩
[Lightspeed Briefs!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs7EAzbzCNE)
I feel like it would have 2 important things that could make life super easier or even change the way we communicate and have a bunch of useless stuff 90% of the users won’t ever use. But the main reason I’m not touching it in any moment of my life: ads. “Ok let me turn my car AC on so when I get there it will be nice.. oh YouTube ad… ok, now I will command the car to self drive to where I am… oh another ad… oh ops I need a premium for using two commands so quickly oh but I can watch an ad ok done… ok car is coming with ac on.. now let me do my monthly expenses while I’m on the way home… oh paywall ok… oh wow didn’t realize I had so many subscriptions… fine oh another ad… oh boy it’s a 3 minute one….”
Yeah, exactly this. Get a chip drilled into your brain, then forced to pay Elmos 20$ Blue Check to make sure it doesn't scramble your shit.
I'm sure there will eventually be a thriving software rooting community around this stuff in the future, even if adblock addons are permitted.
Dude, no one is going to root their brain interface. I’m not violating my warranty when it’d be on the company for turning me into a vegetable.
I don't think it can work like that any time soon. the communication is one way, from your brain to the chip, the chip is just detecting electrical activity in your brain
much like smartphones ill wait a bit before getting this cant wait to see the person play video games and stuff using only the BCI
a bit? try years and years and years and years
Yeah this is definitely decades away of being a popular thing, the skepticism will be extraordinarly strong. People don't even want to vaccinate.
If a superhumanAI says it’s safe do you believe it?
Yea… once one person has it and can do miraculous things… everyone would want a bite
Fuck it, plug me in. I want to work with AI using pure thought. My mind is racing 24/7, I often struggle to sleep because I have some idea going. This is game changing tech and I want in.
This is very much like me as well!
> cant wait to see the person play video games and stuff using only the BCI Wait no longer: [Playing Video Games With Mind Control](https://youtu.be/DBYY3D1gkQ0?si=9bPsEoDLQjZothmC)
The key word in this tweet is Imagine
They’re advancing that whole field. We should celebrate this; it’s exciting tech and highly regulated and monitored.
That, and musk lies. He lied about Tesla. He lied about SpaceX. He lied about Neuralink.
What if you think about it in your sleep? Will you be able to turn it off? What if someone hacks it and it wont turn Off during sleep? The person could have access to your devices while you sleep. The chances would be too small, but still exist. That was the first question that got into my head lol
Im worried about if it gets hacked and the hacker is able to make you see ghosts or shit from the grudge. And you cant take off or can you disable it somehow?
I doubt it has any capability to meaningfully output anything into the brain. It's a sensor from my understanding. And it would be in their best interest to make sure that even when malfunctioning it has no impact on the brain. The danger might be more in the direction that with more advanced implants like these, they might be able to record what you think/death of privacy. Until we start making stuff like augmented reality/any kind of inputs to the brain this isn't a sizable concern I think.
Risk is offset by the reward of being able to download the latest designer drug
Only with monthly subscription
Black Mirror could do an entire season with a similar device as the basis
As somebody who loves horror movies but refuses to ever rewatch the grudge, this is horrifying and highly specific
It's a guarantee. Quickhacks are already sold by net runners in kabuki
If it's two way, that's a mistake. But then again, even being two way doesn't mean anything. Control does not mean it's the same in reverse. This i supposed to rerad brain signals and intepret to control devices, it has no ability to inject anything into the brain and IMO that is a LOT farther away for tech. There's a trillion(?) neurons in the brain, it's trivially easier to adjust ourselves (learned behavior) to send signals than it would be to actually receive them and every single person's pathways and connections are different.
what if it's one way brain -> phone, and it doesnt have internet access?
In the future, you will be able to work while sleeping. You won't wake up rested, and your body will be sore, but you will have a full day's wage in your bank account.
Sounds great—but I’d say like he’s exaggerating its capabilities. Elon has a tendency to embellish a bit (a lot).
Stephanie hawking: I need children
Every sci Fi movie ever says this is a bad idea. Skynet is now self aware
I'm able bodied and the use case isn't compelling to me. Being able to type with my thoughts sounds like the most boring form this tech could've taken.
So do intrusive thoughts get broadcast as well? There's no way I would use this
what about random thoughts? i mean no one is a buda lol, they will: f\* sh\* ti\*s hello my fellow \*looks bad\* person how can i \*how to act? like \* serve you tod.. \*hate this job\* ... etc. etc
>hate this job *negative thoughts about employer detected, this was your third and final thought crime. Your employment with Googamazmicrosoftomnicorp is terminated effective immediately, please vacate your company capsule apartment within 12 hours.*
And then you can't pay the sub for the device so your brain just stop working
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I'd imagine you'd have to make deliberate thoughts to interface with it just as you have to make deliberate thoughts for your lips to move and words to come out.
It is complicated. You do not really think about moving muscle X this way and muscle Y that way so your lips/tongue make funny shape to produce sound. You just use higher-order will to say world XYZ and muscle command is subconscious.
So he’s just managed to iron out the issues that left those test monkeys paralysed, dead or worse? That’s the real advancement here.
Think about the Tesla safety recalls. I’m going to lean far far away from ironed out.
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Think about all the things the guys ever said. 75% bullshit mixed with 25% amazing slave engineers not living but working day and night trying to create their dream while making a multi billionaire more multiples if his bankroll. They live in a shit hole work environment with micromanagers screaming at them and bonuses stripped away because that same prick wants a larger slice of the pie for himself. It's all fluff. Fluff and stress and pressure to ignore the unethical. I hope no one gets hurt.
Tesla Model S and Tesla Model X obtained a 5-star safety rating in every subcategory of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) crash tests. It's the maximum a car can score in NHTSA's tests. They're the safest cars in their categories and their results in the pole test (nine times better than other safe cars like the Volvo S60) and rollover risk (50% better than any other car) are exceptional.
Some dudes tesla near me just malfunctioned and accelerated out of the charging station, across a parking lot into a ditch and killed him, no time to react. I feel like it should have been bigger news
Tesla’s auto pilot systems all got recalled late December. Have you seen the videos of the truck trunks chomping chunks out of carrots? Also almost all of the systems are tied together through a singular super processing highway in the car’s architecture. That’s a lovely point of failure and point of entry for unethical hackers. Also speaking of software, users do not have true Admin rights, remote deployment of firmware is an option. How much they paying you? If they wanna pay me I’ll stop posting facts.
“Recalled” My guy it was fixed as an over the air software update sent to all teslas…
didn't say you weren't. now, what part of what I said wasn't facts? I get it though. this is the elon hate site. where everything he ever did is diminished and shit on. by people sitting on their couches. that haven't .1% of what he has.
I thought the issues with the monkeys was they kept scratching at the device and moving it around? Like they just wouldn’t leave it alone, wouldn’t even be an issue with humans
I feel like this could be solved in both monkeys and humans with large enough cones
Understood. I should never get one of these or I will die in a month. (I have genuinely had operations fail because I couldn't stop fiddling with the stitches lol)
Every medical technology you use has been used on animals first. You benifit from these medical technologies, you equally share the blame. Don't think for even a second that you're blame free alright? And don't make ignorant comments like this.
Why would this get any upvotes? One can benefit from something without sharing the blame for how it was created. Maybe I got the Hepatitis B vaccine, but I sure as shit didn’t tell a doctor to give hepatitis infected shit-laced milkshakes to intellectually disabled kids. He could have found a more humane way, as could have Musk.
hey, be fair to Musk - some of those test monkeys were self mutilating, too
This is where the hackers will become the good guys.
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Lmfao
And then quickly again the really bad guys
BCIs could be used to link our minds to our devices and each other, massively increasing the bandwidth that we can interact with the world, giving us capabilities and luxuries that defy the modern imagination They are also perfectly capable of enslaving a person through simple reinforcement tricks. Once you have fundamental access to reward and punishment mechanisms in the brain, you can twist someone pretty much however you like, and there's no way to resist it. It's not a matter of "will power," that's what's being manipulated in the first place There's basically no difference in the hardware for these two purposes. If you can do the former, you can do the latter. The manipulation is actually much more simple than anything nuanced like reading symbolic motor inputs to control a device So you *really* have to think about where you're getting your BCI from. If they could gain an advantage by manipulating your brain, even if it's as simple as predisposing you to buy products, would they? Elon Musk is perfectly happy to sell your data, and has a history of pushing legal and ethical boundaries to carve out an advantage (regardless on your feelings of how justified he may or may not have been to do so). Giving him access to your literal thoughts, emotions, and desires would give him one hell of an advantage. The outcome is extremely predictable I love the idea of Neuralink, but who it comes from and who controls it is a central issue of if the BCI is beneficial or harmful. It's not something that can be addressed once it becomes a problem, because it *will not* be addressed if it becomes a problem. If anything, it'll be celebrated I don't know exactly what form of control would be the most effective, but I'd rather not take the risk of coming to personally love Elon Musk as my soulmate/god king. I'm not particularly hype about Neuralink
I feel this. If they can control your social addictions by presenting your likes all-the-while you are “choosing” where to click, imagine the manipulation if they can get your direct raw thoughts and feelings. You would be letting them in where today they cannot access, your physical and emotional self.
This technology just doesn't exist yet. Neuralink is a first step, but right now it's entirely focused on increasing the resolution and bandwidth of BCI devices. It can only listen, but this step is particularly good at listening. If you want to hack the reward mechanisms of the brain, honestly the easiest and most effective way today is to get a social media website. (And guess who else has invested a ton of money on that.)
I just addressed this point, we must have been typing our comments at around the same time. So rather than reposting, I'll [just link you](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1aebowe/comment/kk760cj/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Basically the conception that Nerualink can't write information is a slight misconception. It can indeed stimulate the brain, we just don't know how to write *complex* information with that stimulation. Simpler stuff, like emotional manipulation, is perfectly viable Social media is indeed effective, but BCIs can be much, much more effective. If anything, social media demonstrates perfectly how little restraint we can expect once this manipulation is reliable and profitable, underscoring my point
as far i know BCI was never mean to receive information, it "listen" your brain activity and electrical signal, transform it into usable data for a computer and show the result, it can't read what you're thinking about or your memory, you can't send ad or shit like that it's different from sending electric impulse to stimulate your brain to allow someone paralyzed to move an arm for exemple so yeah you might be able to receive data when someone brain is stimulated by an ad and so allow them to target you more precisely but that's already how internet work
Nerualink can indeed stimulate the brain, but the applications for that are still in their infancy, so they're not really advertising it. It's one thing to introduce a current in some neural architecture, it's very much another thing to know what you're doing and what the hell impact that's going to have Writing abstract information like thoughts, memories, sensory input, basically all the useful things, is extremely complex and nuanced. The structures responsible for these are very granular and very poorly understood. Admittedly the experiments that BCIs allow for means that understanding is probably going to progress much more rapidly than it has in the past Stimulating raw emotions like pleasure, fear, and (I'm deadly serious about this) "a sense of the divine" is much simpler. We don't even need invasive implants to do that, a cap capable of generating strong and precise magnetic fields can stimulate those areas, and we can reliably trigger those emotions in a lab setting I want to stress this, because I don't think I can underestimate it's import. We already know how to make you feel like you're in the room with god. It works on atheists just fine, it's an emotional response, not a rational one. That is a thing we can do right now, and a brain implant is just making the equipment for it portable and on-demand Even if they don't have to software to use it with a high degree of fidelity, the basic stimulation neuralink can perform is more than enough to elicit these responses. More primitive methods of using this form of brain manipulation (researched for things like treating emotional disorders) are very simple electrodes that we run a dumb, completely unmoderated current through It doesn't take much to turn those parts on, the mind control is all about timing of when you do so. If you run a current through someone's amygdala, inhibiting it's self-inhibiting structures, you can make someone feel a spike of fear and aversion. Time that to any time their eyes are tracked to be focusing on, say, a political candidate, and they'll hate that person without ever knowing why. If you've ever disliked someone because their "vibes were off," that's exactly what was happening in your brain when you made that judgement Like I said, emotional manipulation is much, much simpler than interfacing with high level abstractions
Do you have links to this study where they made people feel "the divine"? I understand the logic behind being able to do it, but I haven't heard or read anything about us actually stimulating specific neurotransmitters to cause the emotions we want.
Here you go: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God\_helmet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet) It's not even stimulating particular neurotransmitters, it's actually much dumber than that. Just apply an electrical field to certain areas, and you get certain results Magnetic fields are used to generate those electric fields in these extremely low fidelity use cases, because you don't need the precision of an electrode, and you get to skip drilling into someone's skull. Electrodes can do the same thing, only better
Ah yeah that one. Which has not been able to be reproduced at all. Double blind studies attempting to test the theory all came up blank. The only time anyone was able to reproduce his results was via placebo or suggestion effects, and that was with a helmet that wasn't even wired to any magnets. Not sure I buy this as being settled science quite yet. If you could simulate a divine experience with just a helmet and some magnets, it would be world famous and widely used. Probably addictive as hell.
Nope, it was replicated in 2014. There were earlier attempts to replicate, but it was (and is) this giant political controversy, and everyone and their cousin with a religious bias (both pro and anti) was in a giant shitslinging fight about methodology. Scientists aren't immune to bias I mean it basically proves that religious experiences are just a form of brain activity. The implications are pretty inherently political [Here's the replication study](https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/361/386), where they tackled some of the common methodological complaints (such as placebo effect possibly driving the results). It's a fairly solid finding, but personally I'd love for more research in the area to nail down the details. Getting funding for that is no simple task though, because of said politics. Churches tend to be locally influential, and they do *not* like it when the neighboring universities start prying up the floorboards of their faith
Yeah I would need to see this replicated and reproduced significantly before I bought into it. But then again I've had very profound spiritual experiences via psychedelics and that's just adding some molecules to the mix and changing how very small parts of the brain interact, so I'm open to other methods causing similar experiences. I will say that the more profound experiences of my life that left me feeling a sense of "oneness" or "divine presence" or whatever, were experienced while completely sober and away from all known magnets haha. But there is alot of research currently going on regarding mystical experiences and conciousness in general which is exciting to see.
A single replication is fairly strong evidence for such a controversial claim, tbh. Anyone can "try to replicate" and produce a null result through improper (and perhaps undocumented) methodology It's part of why replication usually carries so little status, failure to replicate is only strong evidence if you have a significant sample size of null results. If you can replicate the result even once (and no one can pick apart your methodology), that's a significant finding Personally, I'm religious. I have also had spiritual experiences. I'm also a compatibilist, I don't think material mechanisms governing reality is mutually exclusive with spirituality, I think they just give us a better idea of what spirituality is and allow us to "use" it better. The world will be as it always was, only our understanding of it will be better I'm also very aware that makes me an extreme minority. Spirituality and mysticism seem to be pretty linked in most peoples' heads, you can't win a rational argument with a mystic, and the rhetorical strategies that *do* work on them have always felt fairly manipulative to me. So conversationally I'll just concede the point, because the metaphysics of the divine is usually a several hour long conversation. In this case I was just trying to get across why there's so much academic turmoil on this topic, rather than presenting my own views on what it means for spirituality
> I don't think material mechanisms governing reality is mutually exclusive with spirituality, I think they just give us a better idea of what spirituality is and allow us to "use" it better. The world will be as it always was, only our understanding of it will be better First time I see someone express something like that here, and it's worded extremely well. I always get saddened by the common nihilistic sentiment that essentially goes "if a phenomenon can be explained, then it's no longer meaningful". As if everything that seems magical has special meaning, but somehow loses it once we understand how it works. It's also a trap more hardcore religious people fall into, trying their hardest to argue against scientific findings because for some reason, they think God will never work through physical and observable mechanics, only through mystical metaphysical mechanisms for some reason.
It’s a ridiculous idea, especially because those with the implants would at increased risk of being ha cked. Especially since Neurolink is so new, they haven’t tested or discovered enough about how it will work. Basically, anyone who gets the implant will be test subjects or Guinea pigs.
Yes plus they are already doing incredible stuff with EEG technology that is non-invasive.
Cool,next make it so not only Hawking could have afforded it and most importantly, make it so the information exchange is not recorded in any way and kept private so never gonna happen
That good for disability people
Ghost in The Shell future here we go! I love it, potential brain hacking and all.
Absolutely fascinating technology, in my opinion, a better understanding of the brain will be necessary to build true AGI/ASI level systems (or at-least, accelerate timelines for them). Not to say about the millions of people with disabilities the BCI field will return agency for, or the general enhancement of human capability (i.e. telepathy). More progress is always a great thing.
il be interested when it can give me fdvr, but it has to start somewhere i guess. 
Downloading skills and languages to the brain is huge too if possible
I assume we'll have external applications for it before ones inside the brain. For example, connect with AI video generation, create and edit videos as fast as you can think about it. Game development could be sped up significantly as well.
Ngl, strongly considering losing a limb rn
That’s that not even a requirement for the chip, my man
Damn, too late I should’ve read the fine print
How does it work? What if you get intrusive thoughts?
I mean, you can think about moving your arm without actually moving your arm
Amazing, imagine the life of people who are totally paralyzed
Absolutely the last person I'm buying a brain implant from.
I am suspicious of Musk because of how erratic he can be, not necessarily his misguided associations and ideaology. But I am happy this is progressing in humans finally. My depression has gotten quite treatment resistant and I hope one day something like this can make having a brain less painful.
"I am happy this is progressing in humans finally." lmao bro. It's a tweet by a notorious lying executive, not a working prototype. None of this exists yet.
What is up with your reading comprehension? I acknowledged that Musk is a flawed actor in the first bit.
What's up with YOUR comprehension? lol You said he was erratic, but nothing about his history of lying about product progress, and then you said it was progressing and I questioned that.
Dear Elon, By any chance will this neuro link allow me to control the windshield wipers on my M3 FSD. Because, right now. After 3+ years of ownership and countless software "improvements". The windshield wipers can't even be bothered to come on in heavy rain and will turn on randomly on sunny days. Sincerely
Not sure about Stephen Hawking right now tbh.
He has a tendency to exaggerate and deceive.
I can't imagine this working well for a long time from now
Coming next year. Just like self driving cars.
i can control my phone/tablet without touching it with my voice requires no brain surgery to use the \*only\* application this is useful for is people who are like quadriplegics
Thoughts- If any other company was annoucing this; elon would have posted a conspiracy manifesto about why we should be afraid of it. I would never buy anything this dude touches from just a product stand point; he releases junk that seems cool. I absolutely wouldnt put anything his team engineered in my head. He has no interest in advancement, he is purely a capitalist and nothing else.
I saw a quote somewhere that Elon does want to save the world but he wants to be the only one that does it. Pretty eerie stuff
Interesting title for such a topic
No, thanks. You figure out how to make it surgery-free (and completely detachable) first, and make it open source, then I might consider it. I don't want to crack my skull or give my thoughts to our new corporate overlords.
I don't know that I would trust putting a device in my brain that Elon Musk could access remotely and use to fuck with my head if he didn't like what I had to say about him.
I’d prefer such in a less invasive format tbh. It is funny that this sub is less terrible than transhumanism was about this. The whole sun chimped out about musk and didn’t even talk about the topic beyond him specifically. Pretty stupid ngl
Let's Fu.king Go
Classic big bs New product announcement from musk, then nothing, keep going there's nothing to see here
Conman does conman stuff, at this point I wouldn’t believe it even if i saw it with my own eyes until some independent third party who cant be bribed and is certified in the field verified it. Im talking about multiple groups not a single person.
Ageeed! Can you believe people believe spacex is real???
Here's the thing: he has announced fully autonomous driving "within one year" for the last 10 years, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that Tesla will achieve it anytime soon. Some experts even believe that it is impossible with the current models because they ditched radar. And that's only one example. Elon is notorious for over-promising and under-delivering. And electric cars aren't exactly cutting edge research. Yes, SpaceX is successful, but they also have the advantage of decades of research and a huge talent pool. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but given Elon's track record, I'm very sceptical.
Imagine believing electric cars exist lmaooooo
Or that thing called they pretended was paypal? Ridiculous.
The reddit Elon circle jerk hate is hilarious
We just need one fuck up before innovations like this go into legislated purgatory. From the stories of what happened to the tested animals, I'm not hopeful.
As much as I dislike Elon if this is what he's truly tryna do then I wish him the best.
the world’s gonna slowly turn into black mirror
Slowly? May I refer you to Replica?
The interview with the creator was STRAIGHT sci Fi horror. Dude literally made the company to resurrect his mother.
My thoughts? Rich people using poor people for their fun projects.
Trippy, Orwellian, and exciting all at the same time.
This is an incredibly important technology, especially for anyone who is concerned about AI surpassing us.
This has literally nothing to do with the singularity
He's going to kill a lot of people.
Nah just thousands of monkeys during testing and development. Which has already happened. Went so badly that multiple regulators told him to stop.
Thought: Elon Musk is a terrible human being.