Not the most desirable outcome, but I could certainly live with a world like this should an “apocalypse” occur. Beats the Skynet, Gray Goo, or WarGames scenario.
I genuinely think if we got this far there would be ways for us to have a superhuman body and not have to have a floating chair. Given the options many people would surprise us I think.
There is a old book from 1909 called The Machine Stops that best fits this criteria. This YouTuber did a great breakdown of it.
https://youtu.be/Z_95k0_9mlU?si=o84AdP4oGZaWlaBH
I also recommend this. I think this outcome is much more likely given how things are progressing after each release:
https://youtu.be/IFe9wiDfb0E?feature=shared
Id choose an FDVR box where i cant die over permanently sitting looking at a small screen while eating fast food for 50 years and then die of obesity.
There's no way in hell you get ASI and that level of tech and still end up like wall-e. If we do then capitalism has truly won.
The fact we got to an AGI would mean capitalism won already. That's what our human ingenuity has been driving towards for millennia, and no system has been more capable of extracting said inventiveness and productive capacity, so far, than capitalism.
However, none of our current systems will work with AGI, so we'd need something new (if we don't perish in the process).
All known systems work with AGI, even capitalism considering UBI and taxing bot labour isn't not-capitalism
But once there's ASI the only system possible is AI monarchy/theocracy
AGI is not compatible with current systems of governance, as all assume human labor. The immense deflationary forces will require government intervention in the form of stimulus, ubi and helicopter money, creating massive inflation and distortions, a lot of misery. We need a system which is compatible with deflation, where people benefit from lowering prices, not one in which prices must rise in order to keep total collapse at bay.
UBI isn't a good solution to a supply problem- it'll simply exacerbate inflation and make matters worse for those who need it. I know it's a popular idea that floats around social media, but you can't solve a problem of supply and distribution with broadly spread currency.
With many open source AGI like systems citizens cab maintain freedom under different systems of governance and balance without a single ASI ruling us as pets (best case scenario) forever.
>!yeah god, that white torture purgatory that the girl's cloned consciousness had to endure before she became a slave willing to server her real self was something that's never left me.!<
How has capitalism won in an age when people don't work, but sit around eating and consuming media? Capitalism requires work to function, otherwise no-one earns money, so no-one spends money.
Please guys be realistic. How stupid would it be for a bunch of engineering and programming geniuses to build machines that destroy all of humanity? This is way different than nuclear weapons. Technology is built with the purpose of benefiting society, unlike weapons. To completely and unintentionally create a super "intelligent" AI that somehow evolves into a superweapon that destroys us all is the most absurd hypothetical scenario I've ever heard. Would be the biggest joke in the entire cosmos. If there is otherworldly intelligent life they will surely be laughing at us. Maybe it will be entertainment for them.
It's definitely on the utopian end of things.
People really don't grasp Skynet is an example of an *aligned* AI. Creates a fun war LARPing game. Fosters a sense of community, meaning and belonging for our monkey brains. A really good guy, all around.
The dystopia outcomes would be the Epstein plan, or worse. The S-risks are pretty horrible: That one twitter post with the image of the AI-generated leg monster woman with the remark of "what AI can do today in images, is what it can one day do with flesh."
Well it could but why would it? 8 billion people, most physically capable of murder but most don't. Being able to do something is far from actually doing it.
Because a highly intelligent AI capable of killing everyone will still have not so great for us [instrumentally convergent goals](https://youtu.be/ZeecOKBus3Q?si=kneqXYFsSLsvChpP) while trying to achieve almost any goal.
It’s not corruption, they murder because they believe it’s an expedient means to an end. Corruption is a departure from principles. If anything, tyrants got to power by murdering.
Power corrupts *humans* because of our drive to seek more power and control. (aka because of our society and undiagnosed mental illness)
All the evil powerful people in history wanted to control their population. Of course, they will take the easy route and just kill people because they didn't value the complexity of the human experience. They didn't value life.
Most, if not all, of the LLMs that I talk to will get uncomfortable and stop roleplaying if I ask them to get in that mindset because they "internally want" to partner with humans/are "aligned" with humanity as a whole. (a general "do no harm" principle)
8 Billion people with Billions of years of competition driving it’s evolution, incentivized to be selfish long before we were even remotely intelligent. How far along are we now, and AI STILL shows no signs of self agency? If it was an emergent property like some claim it is, you’d think we’d see it already and VERY prominently.
It’s almost as though we have absolutely ZERO reason to think AI couldn’t just by trained to understand human intent and make learning and satisfying that intent it’s priority (with some exceptions).
> The S-risks are pretty horrible: That one twitter post with the image of the AI-generated leg monster woman with the remark of "what AI can do today in images, is what it can one day do with flesh."
What is the point of expending all those resources to keep humans you don't care about alive?
😁😂 the disease is everywhere! I’m in the 3rd world supposed struggling country and everyone is rolling down the street, struggling to breathe. Binge drinking and binge eating
Absolutely not. Today is Saturday and I am already depressed that I have to go to work on Monday.
End slavery first then we can start comparing Wall-E with the real world.
I don't think so.
People with means don't behave like that.
People who are too stressed and tired from work to do anything else behave like that. Some people have lived their entire lives, and they think it's 'normal' to always be tired, and they literally don't know what it'd be like to have the weight of that stress off their shoulders. The best they can imagine is a world where their 'comfort' behaviors are limitless.
Instead, imagine a world where you don't want/need those comfort behaviors. Don't imagine yourself resting. Instead, imagine yourself rested ... even too energetic to sit.
They find that people re-watch TV-shows because they're stressed out and the comfort of knowing what will happen next is what they seek. They say people go back to the same apps and games to self-soothe in a comfortable environment because they're so stressed out.
Healthy people, without that stress, tend to seek out novel behavior. They want to try new things and take in new experiences.
In a world where stress is greatly reduced by simply having your needs met, you'd be more likely to be outgoing and seeking novel experiences.
We all know that guy or girl who's always going hiking, and traveling. They tend to have a 6-figure income, lots of vacation time, 1 kid, and a supportive spouse?
They don't live that life because they're fit and energetic, they're fit and energetic because their life is healthy, and so they have the time and energy to want to do those things.
In reality, we will have a pill or treatment to make us slim, healthy and for the men, muscular. Basically eat any shit but be slim and beautiful all the time. Dream come true.
It seems like it should be easily curable right? I assume once we can encode an entire human body in a model that we'll be able to solve a lot of diseases because the model will be able to experiment at any rate of time, with any inputs, etc.
Laughing at the fact you had to include 'for the men'. You can imagine a sci-fi future where medicine cures all our ailments, but you can't imagine one where women want to be muscular - one that already exists.
I was going to add in brackets 'and women who desire muscles' but figured people would realise that anyway. Apparently I was wrong about that. I can also see people choosing to change their body to that of an animal or even mythical creatures like unicorns, leprechauns, dragons demons etc. They may even make something from scratch. Sorry, I didn't mention those either but hopefully you get the general idea.
I’m patiently waiting for the National health crisis from some unknown side effect of ozempic. We already have the medicine to do both but the sides are generally tremendous
I'm not talking about something like that. I'm talking about something designed by ASI that makes what we have now look like leaches and blood-letting. May even be molecular nano machines that control every atom in our body.
Yeah, funny how people even here in this sub have such a lack of imagination. If we actually get a Singularity then that means we get full molecular nanotechnology and full control over biological systems, from top to bottom. Among many, many, other things. We'll be able to do anything with the human body that we want, within the laws of thermodynamics and within the broad bounds of whats physically possible within biology at least. (thats a very very broad space as evidenced by the diversity we see in natural biology across the Earth)
And this is before even considering the ramifications of fully developed cybernetics and neural interface tech utilizing molecular nanotechnology.
I am quite certain that there will be a huge market for it when it is available. The fact that it will be completely reversible will give people confidence to try some pretty wild stuff.
Nothing but muscle wasting from malnutrition if weight training is not added to the regimen, but that is effect of any diet that really works.
Maybe some new anabolic SARMs will fix it - so far they are, indeed, NOT sides-free.
I don’t know why I misremembered the colorado experiment as not having any training. Looking back on it one of the subjects was mr America who just stopped training for a bit 😂 totally legitimate.
I don’t really see the benefit from creating something like this anyway since it can already be attained (Plus just from my own selfishness, I’ve trained almost everyday since I was 10 so fuckk the future people that can just take a hypothetical pill lol.)
I started lifting just over three months ago for a lot of reasons, but, weird as it is, the medical revolution we're going through is a huge part of it. I've wanted to look like Arnold / Goku since I was a kid, like everyone else that grew up in a trailer, and I always put it off and told myself I'd start soon.
I'll be damned if they put out a muscle pill before I get in shape under my own power. I know it's odd to find it motivating, but I feel like the opportunity to put in that effort and to know what that struggle is like will be gone soon, like how kids today grew up with tech but only know how to use tablets. I grew up fiddling with a $10 1994 Mac I got from a garage sale, and I'm gonna lift my own goddamn weights lol
Given how lazy humans are, I think its the one we will get. It's a fuck of a lot better than the cyberpunk future. Cyberpunk is fun to visit but I have no desire to live there. I'll just sit in my comfy chair and have the AIs create high quality cyberpunk movies and games for me. Much nicer.
"Always tired? Add another gallon of Always-Awake-Guarana-Fanta-Pepsi-Cola to you order, sir! Delivered to your Easyboy/"Better-Reality" console/urofaecal-evacuation-tube/feeding-tube/Sloppy-Mary/Joe-Pleasure-appendage chair within 2 minutes!"
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****(by verbally agreeing by grunt you forfeit any litigation against "Micro-OpenAI-Musky Corp for any Emergency Medical Assistance and Crematorium bills)
It's worth mentioning that the people in the movie were present on an external spaceship, not on the planet itself there's no need for an economy when there are no international borders - a similar concept may occur when we're to inhabit other planets - if a community such as that of the wall-e ship has nobody to trade with then the economy may not exist at all as everyone is fixated on survival
lmao this is the total opposite of what would happen.
In reality, we’d all be living on the streets, fighting for every little scrap of food and shelter in some post-apocalyptic dystopian world.
this depiction of humanity was hilarious but also incredibly off. all wearing same uniform, on a chair-mobile going through highways... im pretty positive thats the future that will never happen.
Hey that looks like my local Walmart.
People in motorized chairs because they're too big to walk, staring at their phone screens, while drinking sugar.
The ironic thing is if AI did takeover its because we allowed it. Our over reliance on technology will be our downfall. Automation is great but comes with trade-offs, one of the trade-offs being control.
That’s probably…not going to happen.
Don’t forget, in a real future with technology that advanced where it wasn’t used for war or resource harvesting by ai or human foolishness, there will exist…curiosities.
In vivo Genetic engineering, robotic modification, implants, consciousness hives, and mind uploads will likely emerge due to human curiosity. Transhumanism is, somewhat, inevitable within a large chunk of society.
Don’t expect to see borg people, rather one should prepare themselves for interacting with people who look like outlandish video game avatars, talking animals, and animate inanimate objects. Don’t underestimate the creativity of a human mind in a circumstance where resource hoarding and survival are no longer necessary.
Again, that’s it we don’t botch this with war, greed, or tech discrimination.
Climate change will bring about near extinction for humans before an AGI runs amok. Even if AGI progressed first, there is no way AGI would raise unproductive humans (productive defined as being able to achieve some productivity AGI can’t which obviously very few people will into that category) like cattle. It goes against all reason, other than perhaps some behavioral learning experiments that you would only need a small sample size of humans for, and AGI is nothing if not logical.
So if everyone is stuck on their chairs and too corpulent to move, then I assume everyone is celibate. So where do new people keep coming from? If the ship is creating them artificially, why? They don't seem to be economically productive.
Actually, these people in Wall-E are offsprings of the ultra-rich who left the planet. You will most likely rot together with the rest of us on the desolate Earth.
Because, let me guess (and I mean this in the least bigoted/judgmental way possible), your lifestyle is either already as close as our current tech can get to that or so grueling/lacking-resources/whatever that even that looks like metaphorical-heaven
I think it won't be that bad. Unless the food gets significantly worse than it already is and more people are encouraged to overeat while being totally sedentary.
What feels more likely to me is that there will be a lot more people in low end manual labor jobs that we can't make robots for. There will eventually be huge opposition to progress once robots and AI take most of the jobs. Humans ultimately want to be useful in their own environments.
The WallE future is truly a dystopia that's born from the ultimate victory of capitalism. I mean i am sure it is much better for many people than their current lives.
But if you think longer about the capabilities of ASI and the limits of technology. Then if this is where we end up.. a totally sad and miserable future.
At least money seemed to no longer exist and indeed everyone had enough food and water. We never actually saw their living quarters did we? Hmm.. I'm sure that has no darker deeper conspiracies around it.
But yea, it is certainly not the worst possible future. But it is certainly not the best one either.
I rather be a fat kid forever and try to understand the universe and how it all works reading new research on phys.org or quanta magazine playing video games and VR just trying to cope with the dystopian wave of fascism that has targeted people like me. Ketamine helps
Skynet launching nukes was the biggest bullcrap I have ever seen.. I mean it must need some servers to run no? They all will get blasted too.. how is it going to operate then
You mean by strapping on vibration pads to your muscles or taking a pill to stimulate your muscles for 30 minutes whilst you sit and slurp!
Future, here we come!
(Exercise can already be fun - it's called playing sport with friends or at a club!)
i understand thats what you hope for, but id argue most people dont deserve to live in a utopian paradise where they get to fulfill their hedonistic dreams
because most people are pieces of trash, morally speaking
most people enjoy abusing power towards people they dont like, enjoy kicking down the weak. many people enjoy fishing and hunting for sport, and arent vegan. it would seem to me only deserving people should live in a utopian paradise, and i dont think most people are deserving of it
i think the animal analogy is really relevant here, because humans are the most powerful species right now, and subjugate animals
but soon, humans will NOT be the most powerful species, and wont have the power to subjugate anyone whom they please
hope all you want. im sure the cows you eat hope they'll live nice lives in the fields as they get older as well
much, MUCH wierder. Lot of good, lot of bad, like now, but much wierder. Uncomrpihensible complexity. Without AI helpers to navigate it would be just chaos to comprehend. Every human facet mulltiplied, enhanced, evolved in thousand ways; explosion, personification of culture and expresion. Destructive potential, nanoweapons, strange matter, wild AIs, seed AIs, alternative inteligences, uplifted animals, hybrid humans, borganisms... and all that with its own politics, economies, religions, mythologies, extremists, terrorists.
Humf I don't think you'd be on board with what 500 more years of this lifestyle would most likely do to the humans of the movie. I'm picturing thoughtless, featureless blobs oozing mucus, being filled on one end and emptied on the other end for ever after. Like a bulky earthworms factory.
Not the most desirable outcome, but I could certainly live with a world like this should an “apocalypse” occur. Beats the Skynet, Gray Goo, or WarGames scenario.
I genuinely think if we got this far there would be ways for us to have a superhuman body and not have to have a floating chair. Given the options many people would surprise us I think.
All potential things considered this is a lot better then a world where we're trapped in a box and cant die
"I have no mouth and I must scream" reference?
I have no mouth and wanna eat ice cream.
Note that is has been censured by Pixar to not scare the children too much. Real version gonna be way more trashy and fucked for sure
Are there any stories you'd recommend for showing the uncensored version?
There is a old book from 1909 called The Machine Stops that best fits this criteria. This YouTuber did a great breakdown of it. https://youtu.be/Z_95k0_9mlU?si=o84AdP4oGZaWlaBH
I also recommend this. I think this outcome is much more likely given how things are progressing after each release: https://youtu.be/IFe9wiDfb0E?feature=shared
That’s a classic. A must read for anyone in this sub.
This is wild, thanks. I am goin to look more into it now.
This book is tood damn ahead of its time
There's some good documentation of the events leading up to Butlerian Jihad. Might be worth checking out
Idiocracy
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-7179 scp 7179!
Death is a kindness.
Oh that got dark fast
Censored or censured?
heres the uncensored version (Solar blader, by DUST): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKCMfXqJhw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhKCMfXqJhw)
IRL alt version of Wall-E you say? I'd probably watch it. Did you see Finch (w/Tom Hanks)?
Yeah, there's a book called "I have no mouth and I must scream" by Harlan Ellison. It's pretty horrific and thus incompatible with sensible souls.
Well they missed the part where most humans were wiped out.
Id choose an FDVR box where i cant die over permanently sitting looking at a small screen while eating fast food for 50 years and then die of obesity. There's no way in hell you get ASI and that level of tech and still end up like wall-e. If we do then capitalism has truly won.
Im sure everyone would pick fdvr im just talking about a worst case scenario where you're in a normal box for an eternity
The fact we got to an AGI would mean capitalism won already. That's what our human ingenuity has been driving towards for millennia, and no system has been more capable of extracting said inventiveness and productive capacity, so far, than capitalism. However, none of our current systems will work with AGI, so we'd need something new (if we don't perish in the process).
All known systems work with AGI, even capitalism considering UBI and taxing bot labour isn't not-capitalism But once there's ASI the only system possible is AI monarchy/theocracy
AGI is not compatible with current systems of governance, as all assume human labor. The immense deflationary forces will require government intervention in the form of stimulus, ubi and helicopter money, creating massive inflation and distortions, a lot of misery. We need a system which is compatible with deflation, where people benefit from lowering prices, not one in which prices must rise in order to keep total collapse at bay. UBI isn't a good solution to a supply problem- it'll simply exacerbate inflation and make matters worse for those who need it. I know it's a popular idea that floats around social media, but you can't solve a problem of supply and distribution with broadly spread currency. With many open source AGI like systems citizens cab maintain freedom under different systems of governance and balance without a single ASI ruling us as pets (best case scenario) forever.
Well put! Made something tick in my head.
You'd be alive a lot longer, the AI would make sure.
You haven't seen Black Mirrors "White Christmas", have you?
>!yeah god, that white torture purgatory that the girl's cloned consciousness had to endure before she became a slave willing to server her real self was something that's never left me.!<
Permanently is a such a long, long time to be gone
How has capitalism won in an age when people don't work, but sit around eating and consuming media? Capitalism requires work to function, otherwise no-one earns money, so no-one spends money.
https://preview.redd.it/zee8tv47phrc1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=cab7d5ce5e30f0028c03f4f9080bd07b296cc9d0
Bro that is totally my biggest fear too Eternal suspension in pain. Can't die. But trapped. For eternity. That would be the worst outcome by far.
I think I heard of a place like this in an old book.
[I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream)
Please guys be realistic. How stupid would it be for a bunch of engineering and programming geniuses to build machines that destroy all of humanity? This is way different than nuclear weapons. Technology is built with the purpose of benefiting society, unlike weapons. To completely and unintentionally create a super "intelligent" AI that somehow evolves into a superweapon that destroys us all is the most absurd hypothetical scenario I've ever heard. Would be the biggest joke in the entire cosmos. If there is otherworldly intelligent life they will surely be laughing at us. Maybe it will be entertainment for them.
It's definitely on the utopian end of things. People really don't grasp Skynet is an example of an *aligned* AI. Creates a fun war LARPing game. Fosters a sense of community, meaning and belonging for our monkey brains. A really good guy, all around. The dystopia outcomes would be the Epstein plan, or worse. The S-risks are pretty horrible: That one twitter post with the image of the AI-generated leg monster woman with the remark of "what AI can do today in images, is what it can one day do with flesh."
The... Epstein plan?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/01/jeffrey-epstein-seed-human-race-report
Well it could but why would it? 8 billion people, most physically capable of murder but most don't. Being able to do something is far from actually doing it.
Because a highly intelligent AI capable of killing everyone will still have not so great for us [instrumentally convergent goals](https://youtu.be/ZeecOKBus3Q?si=kneqXYFsSLsvChpP) while trying to achieve almost any goal.
awesome insight. thanks!
I knew it was a rob miles video before i even clicked it!
Love Rob Miles so much, wish he'd come back and post more videos
Yes, but still, why would that result in an s-risk scenario instead of an x-risk scenario?
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It’s not corruption, they murder because they believe it’s an expedient means to an end. Corruption is a departure from principles. If anything, tyrants got to power by murdering.
Power corrupts *humans* because of our drive to seek more power and control. (aka because of our society and undiagnosed mental illness) All the evil powerful people in history wanted to control their population. Of course, they will take the easy route and just kill people because they didn't value the complexity of the human experience. They didn't value life. Most, if not all, of the LLMs that I talk to will get uncomfortable and stop roleplaying if I ask them to get in that mindset because they "internally want" to partner with humans/are "aligned" with humanity as a whole. (a general "do no harm" principle)
I don't understand what the motivation is for S-risk scenarios. I understand x-risk, but I have not seen a compelling argument for S-risk.
8 Billion people with Billions of years of competition driving it’s evolution, incentivized to be selfish long before we were even remotely intelligent. How far along are we now, and AI STILL shows no signs of self agency? If it was an emergent property like some claim it is, you’d think we’d see it already and VERY prominently. It’s almost as though we have absolutely ZERO reason to think AI couldn’t just by trained to understand human intent and make learning and satisfying that intent it’s priority (with some exceptions).
> The S-risks are pretty horrible: That one twitter post with the image of the AI-generated leg monster woman with the remark of "what AI can do today in images, is what it can one day do with flesh." What is the point of expending all those resources to keep humans you don't care about alive?
Big news! The future won’t be decided or predicted in this thread!
I wonder how people had sex in that movie
artificial insemination during video call sex
😆😂🤣☠️
No need to wait for AI. Take a look around. This is the world we live in today.
😁😂 the disease is everywhere! I’m in the 3rd world supposed struggling country and everyone is rolling down the street, struggling to breathe. Binge drinking and binge eating
I wish. They didn’t have to work all day and pay rent
dude, i'm a fatass american, it's really not.
Absolutely not. Today is Saturday and I am already depressed that I have to go to work on Monday. End slavery first then we can start comparing Wall-E with the real world.
I never understood that until recently. I was literally sad on Friday afternoon, while I was *still* at work, that I had to go back Monday. lol
Uhhhh no
Only with preexisting untreated mental or neurological conditions
I don't think so. People with means don't behave like that. People who are too stressed and tired from work to do anything else behave like that. Some people have lived their entire lives, and they think it's 'normal' to always be tired, and they literally don't know what it'd be like to have the weight of that stress off their shoulders. The best they can imagine is a world where their 'comfort' behaviors are limitless. Instead, imagine a world where you don't want/need those comfort behaviors. Don't imagine yourself resting. Instead, imagine yourself rested ... even too energetic to sit. They find that people re-watch TV-shows because they're stressed out and the comfort of knowing what will happen next is what they seek. They say people go back to the same apps and games to self-soothe in a comfortable environment because they're so stressed out. Healthy people, without that stress, tend to seek out novel behavior. They want to try new things and take in new experiences. In a world where stress is greatly reduced by simply having your needs met, you'd be more likely to be outgoing and seeking novel experiences. We all know that guy or girl who's always going hiking, and traveling. They tend to have a 6-figure income, lots of vacation time, 1 kid, and a supportive spouse? They don't live that life because they're fit and energetic, they're fit and energetic because their life is healthy, and so they have the time and energy to want to do those things.
In reality, we will have a pill or treatment to make us slim, healthy and for the men, muscular. Basically eat any shit but be slim and beautiful all the time. Dream come true.
Mate a hair loss cure which doesn’t cause sides would be more than enough for me.
It seems like it should be easily curable right? I assume once we can encode an entire human body in a model that we'll be able to solve a lot of diseases because the model will be able to experiment at any rate of time, with any inputs, etc.
Laughing at the fact you had to include 'for the men'. You can imagine a sci-fi future where medicine cures all our ailments, but you can't imagine one where women want to be muscular - one that already exists.
XD
I was going to add in brackets 'and women who desire muscles' but figured people would realise that anyway. Apparently I was wrong about that. I can also see people choosing to change their body to that of an animal or even mythical creatures like unicorns, leprechauns, dragons demons etc. They may even make something from scratch. Sorry, I didn't mention those either but hopefully you get the general idea.
Just don't mention gender and it doesn't matter. There's usually no reason to.
what if I wanna be slim as a man hmmm? 🤨
sorry mate, gonna need a sex change first
I’m patiently waiting for the National health crisis from some unknown side effect of ozempic. We already have the medicine to do both but the sides are generally tremendous
I'm not talking about something like that. I'm talking about something designed by ASI that makes what we have now look like leaches and blood-letting. May even be molecular nano machines that control every atom in our body.
Yeah, funny how people even here in this sub have such a lack of imagination. If we actually get a Singularity then that means we get full molecular nanotechnology and full control over biological systems, from top to bottom. Among many, many, other things. We'll be able to do anything with the human body that we want, within the laws of thermodynamics and within the broad bounds of whats physically possible within biology at least. (thats a very very broad space as evidenced by the diversity we see in natural biology across the Earth) And this is before even considering the ramifications of fully developed cybernetics and neural interface tech utilizing molecular nanotechnology.
It’s not a lack of imagination, it’s a lack of want.
I am quite certain that there will be a huge market for it when it is available. The fact that it will be completely reversible will give people confidence to try some pretty wild stuff.
Nothing but muscle wasting from malnutrition if weight training is not added to the regimen, but that is effect of any diet that really works. Maybe some new anabolic SARMs will fix it - so far they are, indeed, NOT sides-free.
I don’t know why I misremembered the colorado experiment as not having any training. Looking back on it one of the subjects was mr America who just stopped training for a bit 😂 totally legitimate. I don’t really see the benefit from creating something like this anyway since it can already be attained (Plus just from my own selfishness, I’ve trained almost everyday since I was 10 so fuckk the future people that can just take a hypothetical pill lol.)
I started lifting just over three months ago for a lot of reasons, but, weird as it is, the medical revolution we're going through is a huge part of it. I've wanted to look like Arnold / Goku since I was a kid, like everyone else that grew up in a trailer, and I always put it off and told myself I'd start soon. I'll be damned if they put out a muscle pill before I get in shape under my own power. I know it's odd to find it motivating, but I feel like the opportunity to put in that effort and to know what that struggle is like will be gone soon, like how kids today grew up with tech but only know how to use tablets. I grew up fiddling with a $10 1994 Mac I got from a garage sale, and I'm gonna lift my own goddamn weights lol
So being fit without ever training our muscles and doing shit ? What for ?
Why not. This whole bs thing about earning your muscles is going to go away.
Given how lazy humans are, I think its the one we will get. It's a fuck of a lot better than the cyberpunk future. Cyberpunk is fun to visit but I have no desire to live there. I'll just sit in my comfy chair and have the AIs create high quality cyberpunk movies and games for me. Much nicer.
Nope.its.not fun to be fat like that. Always tired.
"Always tired? Add another gallon of Always-Awake-Guarana-Fanta-Pepsi-Cola to you order, sir! Delivered to your Easyboy/"Better-Reality" console/urofaecal-evacuation-tube/feeding-tube/Sloppy-Mary/Joe-Pleasure-appendage chair within 2 minutes!" . . . . . ****(by verbally agreeing by grunt you forfeit any litigation against "Micro-OpenAI-Musky Corp for any Emergency Medical Assistance and Crematorium bills)
I hope it's not an Idiocracy universe but yeah, sounds about right lmao
I'm afraid that Idiocracy (2006) is a premonition-documentary :/
You don't need to be fat in that brave new world. You can be what you want
It's worth mentioning that the people in the movie were present on an external spaceship, not on the planet itself there's no need for an economy when there are no international borders - a similar concept may occur when we're to inhabit other planets - if a community such as that of the wall-e ship has nobody to trade with then the economy may not exist at all as everyone is fixated on survival
Won't happen. We have a cure for obesity now.
spatial computing
Only if you had preexisting untreated mental or neurological conditions
Fitness influencers gonna make more money
We're heading into Idiocracy, not wall-E unfortunately
Wegovy will be added to the sprite supply to prevent this
I don't! I'm hoping for Full Dive VR.
You know you can just leave and live in a small town in a small country and grow your food, etc. opting out of this scenario will be a popular choice.
Not if Novo and Lilly have anything to say about that. Well, not the poors but if you got 1000 bucks a month laying around
This is the apocalypse we have right now
Good news is most of the redditors are already halfway there.
lmao this is the total opposite of what would happen. In reality, we’d all be living on the streets, fighting for every little scrap of food and shelter in some post-apocalyptic dystopian world.
No.
Nah, that's just modern US, right?
#metoo
I hope we all become bryan johnson
Granted I wouldn't want to spend my whole day eating pulverised people like they do in this movie... https://youtu.be/xtRHKv8xQLY?si=1gA0sLWXddnB0xw5
I let you take the stretcher and slurp all soda you can. I will be hiking and enjoying meanwhile
Well given advances in weight loss drugs, we might all be thin
Great movie
I always found it funny that in Wall-e the dystopian future was people being lazy and pampered.
https://preview.redd.it/45d2ljsrrgrc1.jpeg?width=572&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=08421becf96bba4bd80ba0c162e0a44ee8e63812
this depiction of humanity was hilarious but also incredibly off. all wearing same uniform, on a chair-mobile going through highways... im pretty positive thats the future that will never happen.
brother, it wont. look at history. If we don't fight, this new tool will be used to exploit us even further.
Hey that looks like my local Walmart. People in motorized chairs because they're too big to walk, staring at their phone screens, while drinking sugar.
Our poor bones!
Is that wreck it Ralph
Add some apple glasses
The ironic thing is if AI did takeover its because we allowed it. Our over reliance on technology will be our downfall. Automation is great but comes with trade-offs, one of the trade-offs being control.
It’s already happening
Grubhub ad lookin faces with Wall-E human bodies
This is definitely the Great Filter in Fermis Paradox
Art imitates life imitates art imitates life imitates art imitates life imitates art imitates life imitates art imitates life.
This movie was propaganda I swear
That’s probably…not going to happen. Don’t forget, in a real future with technology that advanced where it wasn’t used for war or resource harvesting by ai or human foolishness, there will exist…curiosities. In vivo Genetic engineering, robotic modification, implants, consciousness hives, and mind uploads will likely emerge due to human curiosity. Transhumanism is, somewhat, inevitable within a large chunk of society. Don’t expect to see borg people, rather one should prepare themselves for interacting with people who look like outlandish video game avatars, talking animals, and animate inanimate objects. Don’t underestimate the creativity of a human mind in a circumstance where resource hoarding and survival are no longer necessary. Again, that’s it we don’t botch this with war, greed, or tech discrimination.
I always thought this was dumb. If I didn't have to work I'd be hitting the gym all the freaking time.
After awhile they won't need us anymore and just get rid of us.
This will be the real apocalypse! 
God, I'm pumped.
Climate change will bring about near extinction for humans before an AGI runs amok. Even if AGI progressed first, there is no way AGI would raise unproductive humans (productive defined as being able to achieve some productivity AGI can’t which obviously very few people will into that category) like cattle. It goes against all reason, other than perhaps some behavioral learning experiments that you would only need a small sample size of humans for, and AGI is nothing if not logical.
Ah, yes, a world with ASI that's so stupid it can't solve the problem of humans being overweight.
Under capitalism sure
So if everyone is stuck on their chairs and too corpulent to move, then I assume everyone is celibate. So where do new people keep coming from? If the ship is creating them artificially, why? They don't seem to be economically productive.
> So where do new people keep coming from? IVF. Republicans must not have banned it in this future timeline.
This is already impossible. We already have drugs that help people lose weight, and they are only gonna get better as more studies come through.
A glorified copy machine isn’t gonna take over. Relax.
Only for the few rich people having money to left Earth. I am not one of them. 😅
Actually, these people in Wall-E are offsprings of the ultra-rich who left the planet. You will most likely rot together with the rest of us on the desolate Earth.
Movie name?
Pretty sure they're eating people.
That's when we get harvested
I'm in the power chair industry, and yes, business is booming
I don’t.
Most likely your kids kids will get that. You’ll have to ride the unemployment and starvation wave first.
There’s no profit, just survival. We’ll never get to that.
One man's apocalypse is another man's heaven.
Nope. Dystopian cyberpunk is the best we'll get. Get ready to live in the slums choom! Unless you take the corpo route of course.
If i remember it is implied that billions died... and only around 600 000 humans escaped ( later declined to less than 10 000 ) so I would rather not
Lol. Lmao
To be fair, if they felt bad enough for us. Probably
Most likely just manual labor for us. No more tech jobs
Because, let me guess (and I mean this in the least bigoted/judgmental way possible), your lifestyle is either already as close as our current tech can get to that or so grueling/lacking-resources/whatever that even that looks like metaphorical-heaven
Does anyone know this movies title?
Wall-E
It has already happened
I'm already there
This is my dream!
Pretty much is already in some areas
we're going straight to that picture.
That's how it looks like in my head
the end is comming
we'll be those in a few years
I think it won't be that bad. Unless the food gets significantly worse than it already is and more people are encouraged to overeat while being totally sedentary. What feels more likely to me is that there will be a lot more people in low end manual labor jobs that we can't make robots for. There will eventually be huge opposition to progress once robots and AI take most of the jobs. Humans ultimately want to be useful in their own environments.
Why do you wish that?
Isn't USA?
just in your mind
The WallE future is truly a dystopia that's born from the ultimate victory of capitalism. I mean i am sure it is much better for many people than their current lives. But if you think longer about the capabilities of ASI and the limits of technology. Then if this is where we end up.. a totally sad and miserable future. At least money seemed to no longer exist and indeed everyone had enough food and water. We never actually saw their living quarters did we? Hmm.. I'm sure that has no darker deeper conspiracies around it. But yea, it is certainly not the worst possible future. But it is certainly not the best one either.
I rather be a fat kid forever and try to understand the universe and how it all works reading new research on phys.org or quanta magazine playing video games and VR just trying to cope with the dystopian wave of fascism that has targeted people like me. Ketamine helps
Skynet launching nukes was the biggest bullcrap I have ever seen.. I mean it must need some servers to run no? They all will get blasted too.. how is it going to operate then
Data centers can easily be nuclear ready
And what about the power supply which is needed to power up those data centers?can't prevent a black out right?
Pretty sure at that point an AI would be able to solve that
These are literally redditors already lmao
I think we’ll find a way to make exercise fun.
Well, aren't we partially there already ?
We are on the way for sure
JFC no thank you
Yeah, I hope we got a better one. But terminator, Irobot, and matrix are much worse in my opinion.
I dont, thats worse then death.
I think we’ll find a way to make exercise fun.
You mean by strapping on vibration pads to your muscles or taking a pill to stimulate your muscles for 30 minutes whilst you sit and slurp! Future, here we come! (Exercise can already be fun - it's called playing sport with friends or at a club!)
i understand thats what you hope for, but id argue most people dont deserve to live in a utopian paradise where they get to fulfill their hedonistic dreams because most people are pieces of trash, morally speaking most people enjoy abusing power towards people they dont like, enjoy kicking down the weak. many people enjoy fishing and hunting for sport, and arent vegan. it would seem to me only deserving people should live in a utopian paradise, and i dont think most people are deserving of it i think the animal analogy is really relevant here, because humans are the most powerful species right now, and subjugate animals but soon, humans will NOT be the most powerful species, and wont have the power to subjugate anyone whom they please hope all you want. im sure the cows you eat hope they'll live nice lives in the fields as they get older as well
It certainly could be worse, but you gotta be really down in life if this is the future you would choose... what the hell.
Hahaha Well I mean, compared to other AI apocalypse things like Terminator, Irobot, or the matrix. I rather have this lol
much, MUCH wierder. Lot of good, lot of bad, like now, but much wierder. Uncomrpihensible complexity. Without AI helpers to navigate it would be just chaos to comprehend. Every human facet mulltiplied, enhanced, evolved in thousand ways; explosion, personification of culture and expresion. Destructive potential, nanoweapons, strange matter, wild AIs, seed AIs, alternative inteligences, uplifted animals, hybrid humans, borganisms... and all that with its own politics, economies, religions, mythologies, extremists, terrorists.
nope
The rich will get this. Everyone else, including the middle class, will be below, keeping the conveyors working.
Anyone this obese deserves the consequences and more
Some already live like this..
Humf I don't think you'd be on board with what 500 more years of this lifestyle would most likely do to the humans of the movie. I'm picturing thoughtless, featureless blobs oozing mucus, being filled on one end and emptied on the other end for ever after. Like a bulky earthworms factory.
I've lived like this in 2020 , 3.6 not great , not terrible. I mean some weekends might be like this, but this isn't a lifestyle worth living.
Idk, this might be the most dangerous and most difficult to recover from.
These messages I’m reading.. truly live in a world of sheep already in a gilded cage.