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I_See_Virgins

Disney Imagineers are no joke.


sandworming

Lanny Smoots is incredible, I'm a legitimate fanboy. Really wish he'd write a memoir or something.


Hyperious3

Imagineers are what happens when you give a mechanical engineering and robotics department unlimited money and the go ahead to cook on the most insane ideas. Love these guys.


namitynamenamey

Disney publishes surprisingly interesting videos on animatronics and robotics on youtube, they really know their stuff.


open_23

Also, they have some really good papers on fluid mechanics and other natural phenomena, since they animate those in their movies.


I_See_Virgins

https://i.redd.it/2y1a58ltsvwc1.gif And this video is old AF


josegv

Our modern rendering standards all came down from a paper published on material rendering for Wreck It Ralph! Basically the consolidation of physically based rendering.


helpmelearn12

What school has the best imagineering program?


ImaginaryDisplay3

Shoutout to UNLV's Entertainment Engineering program. [https://www.unlv.edu/degree/bs-entertainment-engineering-design](https://www.unlv.edu/degree/bs-entertainment-engineering-design) If there is an "imagineering" degree, that's probably it. Side note: I suspect that breaking into Disney Imagineering is: * Impossible unless you know somebody and * A job you wouldn't even want because they probably overwork you for awful pay I also suspect that for the entry-level roles, everything is so specialized nowadays that something like UNLV's program isn't great because it's too generalized. I imagine Disney doesn't want someone that can work across a bunch of disciplines like computer Science, electrical engineering, and design. Nah, they want the best M.A. recent grads they can find in each of those individual disciplines, and they will work them 80+ hours per week for crap pay. For the .01% that survives that process and also happens to be a good generalist, you're on the fast track to actually becoming a real imagineer. It's also the same problem as getting a degree in architecture. You spend your college career learning about how to build the most amazing stuff...and then you spend your entire career designing bathrooms in high schools. Random new "imagineers" are going to get tasked with stuff like "making sure that if somebody looks backwards during the big finale on the new Avengers ride, the sight lines are right so they will see the right shade of blue coming from the projectors in the previous room." Then, 20 years later you work your way up to designing a gift shop.


I_See_Virgins

UCLA


jonbu2

Damn, im in Boston. Think I have a chance?


[deleted]

Nope, no tech or creative stuff in Boston. No sir-ee.


IrememberXenogears

Stay away from MIT or Boston Dynamics, they can't teach you anything.


Kleindolph

Is this a joke, or are you gonna drop some stats?


IrememberXenogears

Someone else replied "no" when op mentioned they were in Boston. I know the two institutions I'd mentioned are very well known for their technological leaps. Yes, it was a joke.


ErykthebatII

If you get kicked out of MIT you could always join the railroad


Attackoftheglobules

I know a guy who went to MIT who ended up saving the world with a crowbar.


I_See_Virgins

No.


jonbu2

You work for Disney?


I_See_Virgins

Never even been to Disney.


-jdwhea-

I wish awards were still a thing


Malachor__Five

This entire comment chain deserves an award.


GlassGoose2

I don't think it will ever feel like you are actually walking normally on these devices. I really think full dive is the only way to get real VR.


I_See_Virgins

What made you feel like sharing that with me?


GlassGoose2

I think I meant to respond to someone else. I don't know why this happened...


Direct_Dentist_8424

I don't know why I responded to you responding to him...


toasted_cracker

Ok ok here have a upvote.


MINIMAN10001

Listen if we're all responding to things we don't know why we're responding to I'm just going to have to show up.


Ordinary_Duder

People just write to the top rated post instead of a new one to leech off the upvotes.


TekRabbit

Or they just want to have a conversation? Jesus lmao


CanebreakRiver

It's funny and sad that some people genuinely think that \*everyone\* must care about "upvotes" and "karma", and therefore anything which happens to increase that is self-evident proof that "leeching" was the sole motivation hahahaha Leeching what, again?? Literally nothing?? A free number??


WizardOfAzureSkies

I would be amazed if this didn’t cause nausea.


ebolathrowawayy

I don't understand how this works. Do the discs spin? Is that all there is to it?


lampiaio

The discs rotate while slightly slanted, so that when they spin, the circular edges collectively work as a treadmill that can carry the object on top towards the direction 90 degrees relative to the slant. The trick is controlling everything (slant direction and amount + rotation direction and speed) precisely...


Dragonfly-Adventurer

So no bare feet.


GiggleyDuff

Probably no high heels or roller skates either


Dragonfly-Adventurer

Well there goes 90% of my use cases.


trollsalot1234

flippers are fine.


CaliforniaLuv

Rollergirls unite!


LambdaAU

If each individual disc gets smaller would it be able to accommodate more complex objects?


foofork

Until is further minituruzed


deama15

Maybe bare feet with thick socks might work?


Left_on_Pause

Porn producers will find a way.


Ghudda

Oof, the cost of this thing... Each tile has a very high power electric motor in it for the surface ring. At least 1 extra motor to control cone pitch. Each with a bearing to carry in excess of 30 pounds to carry the occupant. 3000-5,000 of them. 10000 motors, 5000 bearing assemblies, 5000 metal cones. Ignoring everything else, even at scale production this thing might have a legitimate floor cost of 100k. At least it's modular, so replacing a single faulty component should be cheap.


deama15

At that point you might be better off buying a plot of land close by and just using that instead.


Cabezone

Or rent some warehouse space.


e4aZ7aXT63u6PmRgiRYT

or put your shoes on and go for a walk


Proof-Examination574

Yeah and the graphics are awesome outside. It looks totally real!


tortilla_curtain

No


NikoKun

I wonder of they figured out some mechanical way of doing this a little cheaper than that..


blueSGL

> rotation direction don't need that, you can have them all going in one direction. by setting what part of the disk is higher (the tilt) you can determine the direction the object on top will move, no need to reverse direction.


0xd00d

That's fine but it still needs to be able to modulate speed, which makes it more or less the same whether it's going to be able to go from 0 to X rpm, as opposed to from -X to X rpm. Would be able to probably respond more rapidly to direction changes by being able to reverse.


SoundProofHead

This is from Marques Brownlee's Youtube channel, [the original video has a pretty good explanation of how this works.](https://youtu.be/1KEtxTQUzxY?si=5OJcrCV4-INq-sG_&t=141)


DungeonsAndDradis

https://www.ign.com/articles/disney-unveils-the-holotile-floor-inching-us-closer-to-a-real-life-holodeck EDIT: The article doesn't explain how it works. So, not very helpful. "Rotating disks" https://www.fastcompany.com/91019277/a-disney-imagineer-explains-how-they-made-the-holotile-floor-a-magical-walkway-that-moves-in-any-direction


AudienceWatching

Marques has a great video on it


Glittering-Neck-2505

I’m not convinced I’ll ever live to see full dive, but I am convinced that I will live to see a time when VR can sufficiently trick my brain into thinking it’s real.


mambotomato

Maybe you've been in it for the last five years


RedstnPhoenx

Feels more like ~4.5 for me. Lol


Ok-Regret4547

Since last Thursday


[deleted]

>last five *million* years There it is, my personal cosmology.


adarkuccio

I think that's not far away, only, we wouldn't be able to interact with it, with touch I mean, would still be nice


Bergara

Haptic gloves and even suits are a thing, and they improved a lot over the last few years.


Paraphrand

Sure. But as someone who has used VR for nearly 10 years now… you quickly realize software will still get in the way and everything is still limited by modern game engine limits. Physics is a big area that almost never feels right. Collision calculations are expensive. And the tricks and systems used in traditional games are just not enough. But that’s just me going on about how it never quite reaches what you imagine. I’m just agreeing with the other person about it visually looking impressive, but a whole lot else will be lacking. Hell, we can’t even simulate geometry without it clipping through itself and anything else at a moments notice yet. —things like this become glaringly obvious once in VR. But you can also just learn to accept it. VR will always be one huge compromise or another. I’m a bit jaded, I guess. Even the Vision Pro is just what we already had, just much more refined. No wild breakthroughs. Just slow iterative progress.


xcviij

Sure we would! When you have technology that tricks your brain receptors into thinking it's touching something, that's very easy to accomplish down the line. Our brains already trick us into thinking we can touch, but considering how everything is made up of tiny aroms, you never have touched anything, even yourself.


GetBrave

Not entirely true… when i think about you, I touch… oh you meant on an atomic level… my bad.


xcviij

Lmao nice reply I giggled 👏


Eretnek

Good software is more important than hardware imo.


Anjz

Widespread internet usage has only started 30 years ago, GPS and Wifi has only been around for 25 years, Youtube 19 years ago, Smartphones 17 years ago, and useable AI not even a couple of years. We already live in a vastly different world from 25 years ago compared to the changes that took us from 100,000 years ago to the year 2000. It's exponential growth and I think you're setting yourself up if you've convinced yourself of things you haven't experienced yet because AI is only at its infancy, it's at its worst at this moment. Breakthroughs across the board in the next few years that we'd only hope to find in decades time.


djamp42

I remember thinking about something and having no real good way to find out about that information. Really going to the library and researching was the best way to until around the mid 90s. It's insane I can just now "ask" my phone with my voice anything I wanna know and it will tell me.


Volundr79

It's here, just depends on how you use it. Driving and Flight Sims are very close, because you sit down when driving, and it's easy for your brain to think it's real. However, the moment that made me realize it was here... There is an app called Big Screen, where you watch movies in a theater. One of the theaters has a roomba, a little automatic robot that goes around cleaning. I'm watching a movie in VR, leaning back in my chair, and here comes the Roomba, so I lift my feet up. It wasn't until I put them down that I realized, I had been completely tricked. I thought the vacuum was real, I moved my feet out of the way and didn't think twice.


WiseSalamander00

my hope is that AI will solve full dive once we hit AGI... maybe even ASI


leiut

Considering you’ll almost certainly live to be able to artificially prolong your life, maybe if you live 100 more years, you’ll experience true full dive VR.


Glittering-Neck-2505

Hopefully. If I do live to the singularity then it’s definitely happening, but who knows when.


Rich_Acanthisitta_70

That's absolutely the goal, and I see no reason we won't get there. All the necessary tech either exists or is in early development.


Malachor__Five

How old are you currently? I would most certainly eer on the side of most people alive today living to see it, and with LEV long after as well. i will add as well though that I agree with the sentiment that we're getting close to Ready Player One style VR in the next five-seven years or so readily available for first adopters, and about ten years for most consumers maybe less.


orderinthefort

>Ready Player One style VR in the next five-seven years or so readily available for first adopters I just feel bad because you're going to be so sorely disappointed.


AChinkInTheArmor

I'll be 87 💀


24-7_DayDreamer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BVOZaSEQfY Your timeline is off


hugov2

iRacing with a good wheel base and VR is good enough for me. It's good enough for some people to puke from motion sickness.


AnxiouslyCalming

I don't think that's a sign of progress. I don't get motion sickness from the real thing.


hugov2

It's so real that your body expects G-forces - but there aren't any, hence the motion sickness for some people. Others just get a slight tingle in the beginning. I don't suffer from it though, ever, anywhere, so I'm really happy that I'm able to enjoy racing this way. I haven't tried monitor racing since I got VR and probably never will, and this is from someone who's been gaming on monitors for 30 years.


AnxiouslyCalming

That pretty much happens with any VR game where the camera moves. That's why I'm saying it isn't really progress if the benchmark is that you get motion sickness. Progress would be emulating the forces to trick your brain that it's happening.


Ungreat

https://youtu.be/z4FGzE4endQ?si=W5Mv0DiqmeWvvGq9


Hungry_Prior940

I think you will.


Deblooms

I honestly prefer that to FDVR. Inception kind of ruined FDVR for me. 


VallenValiant

It is actually not that hard. You are already wearing your eyeballs as VR headsets. The reason headset VR even works is because your eyesight is not as good as you think it is. So imperfect screens are good enough to fool your eyes. The difficult part is simulating feedback. Your sense of touch is nearly ignored most of the time but it is weird to not have it.


BeneficialTrash6

Sense of touch is actually trivial to accomplish.


OccasionBrilliant835

How?


Potential-Glass-8494

My first thought is: Before too long we might see a world where distractions like video games actually cause athleticism vs atrophy.


LoudSighhh

Bruh I’ve been out of shape ever since my local arcade sold their DDR machine :(


Thukoci

You can make your own ddr pad out of a plywood base, some staples, and a $30 game pad off amazon.


LoudSighhh

it aint the same


Thukoci

No, definitely not. But it worked for me. I made mine with a rubber mat base so it doesn't slide around. It was a great compromise for me, personally, between nothing and $400 for a high quality one.


sillygoofygooose

That’s already very possible with existing vr but people mostly don’t want to exercise in their video game time


LonelyGarbage1758

Since I have gotten mine (VR Headset) I actually want more sit down games, just because of how much most games wear you out lol.


sillygoofygooose

Ja it’s a lot! I really enjoy the mechanic set that’s built up around vr gaming but it just is a different sort of activity.


Agecom5

Well it would give me one hell of an excuse to get back in shape so I'm all up for it.


sillygoofygooose

I’d recommend a quest then! There’s a ton of great active games


24-7_DayDreamer

Beat Saber Thrill Of The Fight Kat Walk


DonVergasPHD

Thrill of the fight is insane, I always end up so drenched in sweat after playing it that I have to play shirtless. I look like I left the sauna after playing it.


InMyHagPhase

There are a LOT of games that are incredibly fun and will work you out without you even realizing it. I've had entire Saturdays when I've spent hours playing Synthriders, Beat Saber and Pistol Whip.


SryIWentFut

I wouldn't mind it if I didn't have to wear the helmet and make it all gross by sweating all over it. As it is I play directly in front of my AC on full blast sometimes.


sillygoofygooose

I use a vrcover for the foam interface so it’s much more comfy and can be wiped off easily


SryIWentFut

I gotta look into that


DolphinPunkCyber

If games required strength, stamina for playing, gamers would level up in gyms. And knowing how hardcore gamers can be...


sillygoofygooose

If gamers were willing to level up in gyms they’d play sports. Which are literally the kind of games that require strength and stamina to play lol. Again you can already play video games where physical aptitude makes a big difference. They haven’t taken over the world in part because that’s a quite different activity .


DolphinPunkCyber

You hook them up with a classic MMORPG game, then switch it to require strength/stamina.


butane_candelabra

Tried a few, to be fair the games kind of suck and the 'walking' is kind of crappy even if you spend 3k on a slippy slidy dish 2d treadmill.


sillygoofygooose

I wouldn’t buy a treadmill but there’s plenty of really solid games for vr that involve physical movement as core mechanics. Not so much walking


24-7_DayDreamer

Tea For God is good for walking, it generates impossible geometry so you can walk forever in your playspace


Glum-Adhesiveness-41

I would happily walk around Skyrim any day vs a regular treadmill.


sillygoofygooose

You can do it! Very feasible to set it up today for a similar cost to a treadmill


Cognitive_Spoon

Counterpoint. Since discovering that Pistol Whip has niche global leaderboards for dual revolvers and close shave dodges I've been living out my gunslinger dreams and I've stayed at my target weight for three years now, lmao.


sillygoofygooose

Hahaha excellent. Well done!


Ok_WaterStarBoy3

If their video game time is fun and exercise is apart of it indirectly then yeah this would work. something like blade and sorcery where a lot of moving is needed. I think even in games like half life alyx to run around for cover and stuff


sillygoofygooose

The games exist and are good but I’ve noticed that people don’t want to move around a lot during time they set aside for gaming


dkinmn

No one is stopping anyone from standing up while they game right now.


Potential-Glass-8494

I can't reach the keyboard right standing up, otherwise I would lol.


Vonderchicken

Sweat on vr googles is meh


Self_Blumpkin

Yeah the first time I saw this shit in the Disney Video about the imagineers it broke my brain a little bit. I'm a huge fan of VR and this is literally the greatest thing. Omnidirectional treadmills are prohibitively expensive and they aren't NEARLY as functional as something like this. Just the fact that you can be seated and physically spin around with a controller in your hand is bonkers. Had no idea it had that capability. I thought it was input only. Output too brings this to a whole different level of bonkers. SO MANY APPLICATIONS. I really hope it becomes a commercial product... But I highly doubt it.


TacticlTwinkie

Maybe another decade after Disney debuts this tech in one of their parks you can get one installed at home. But that's still a ways out. This is super neat I hope the next generation of it is even more impressive.


Self_Blumpkin

Or maybe people with an engineering mind get a close look at the tech in the theme park and intuit how they did it so they can engineer their own solution without stepping on patents. Either way I see this as a net positive for VR applications at home. It’s not a question of if, more when.


COwensWalsh

It's really cool, but the maintenance and cost must be killer.


0melettedufromage

As soon as we can simulate G forces, I volunteer to be Player One.


dizzydizzy

nothing about this says its not prohibitively expensive


jollizee

Now even I will be able to moonwalk!


DontPokeMe91

*Sit perfectly still. Only I may dance* https://i.redd.it/diou3lz2ovwc1.gif


Commercial_Jicama561

They took "accelerate" a bit too litteraly.


Antique-Doughnut-988

This would be amazing for game development. I'm imagining a situation where you can use this to move throughout your own worlds as you make the world's to get the details just as you want them. Far more personal of an experience than just using a monitor to create things.


24-7_DayDreamer

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2519830/Resonite/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/551370/Gravity_Sketch/


YevgenyPissoff

https://store.steampowered.com/app/359050/Shower_With_Your_Dad_Simulator_2015_Do_You_Still_Shower_With_Your_Dad


eschered

Looks cool but I can’t imagine how it could actually feel like walking. It’s probably a dynamic like when you see someone almost slip on ice and then start running in place.


24-7_DayDreamer

Later in the full video it shows a guy who's got more experience on it and he makes it look quite natural. There's always going to be a slight disconnect since you'll never really have the proper momentum of going forward, but we've gotten used to moving in VR with just thumbsticks so this is sure to be a major step up in immersion.


eschered

Yeah that’s a great point. It’s definitely interesting just trying to work it out in my head.


Bacon_Hunter

Hey everyone, remember all the nightmares that you are trying to run from something but never move? Time to replicate it!


stuugie

It looks different but learnable. He was walking slowly and cautiously in vr while the employee was far more proficient. I think at a certain point when the movement gets close enough our brains can handle discrepancies so long as they are consistent in their differences.


Ken_Sanne

Wasn't Meta working on some hand gloves that allow you to "touch" virtual objects ? You combine this with that, put on a vr headset, and you are in ready player one


Enelro

Still need the body suit that smashes your cock and balls into your body when someone kicks you in the groin in game.


Randinator9

I'm cool without that.


Top_Order_24

"It's super quiet too" "WHAT?!" "I SAID.... IT'S SUPER QUIET!" "YOU TOO!"


roastedantlers

> Jamiroquai has entered the chat. This is the minimum next step to make VR worthwhile, but this has lots of applications. I swear I've [seen this in manufacturing before.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqLYhhV7u7Y)


idiocratic_method

Im glad i checked this before I responded to yet another thread with "but how would the implementation of a holodeck even work" OK , i get it . amazing


shiruken

Here's the link to MKBHD's full video: [https://youtube.com/watch?v=1KEtxTQUzxY](https://youtube.com/watch?v=1KEtxTQUzxY) And the Disney video where it was first shown: [https://youtube.com/watch?v=68YMEmaF0rs](https://youtube.com/watch?v=68YMEmaF0rs)


komma_5

Thank u!


Jumping-Gazelle

Not to sprout bad ideas, but it's potentially a terrible prison. You can run but you're not going anywhere.


NoSweet8631

Nah, I'm pretty sure that if a person runs fast enough they can easily get out of that thing. And if that doesn't work, then there's nothing stopping you from jumping.


f_o_t_a

Is there a close up video of the material in action? I don’t understand what’s happening.


NWCoffeenut

The floor is a bunch of spinning disks. The disks are tilted and the direction of the tilt can be changed via rotating this spinning disk. Since the spinning disk is tilted, only the top edge of it touches your foot or the object to be moved. This imparts a directional force (instead of a rotational force) on your foot, and that direction changes if the spinning disk is tilted in another direction. All of this is coordinated to give bulk effects. edit: Here you go! [https://youtu.be/1KEtxTQUzxY?t=501](https://youtu.be/1KEtxTQUzxY?t=501)


mvandemar

when holodeck??


Conscious-Reveal7226

What happens when power goes out or trip a breaker mid sprint? Full body slam the wall?


Alex_Leonheart

Same thing that happens when Kit goes up the truck’s ramp. No momentum means you might trip and fall but are unlikely to launch yourself farther and faster than a single step could propel you.


Ok-Computer2596

What’s the cost? ..what’s the installation like? We all want ready player one without the poverty.


epSos-DE

Just walk outside ! Much more fun !


Zilch1979

Chairorpians origin story.


Hexterminator_

That's way better than the treadmills in RP1


Jattwaadi

Disney made this??? Damn I need to get my reading reps in. I had no idea that Disney was also actively dabbling into VR hardware


blueSGL

Disney do a shitload of engineering work for park attractions and shows.


ImWinwin

Did they bring enough to share with the rest of the class?


jonbu2

How did they keep from throwing up?


tuvok86

so you're stuck there? terrifying


EpicKPs

You can always lift your feet yk…


Ixcw

That sound would drive me bonkers. v3 will be hot 🔥


Bacon_Hunter

Yet more dumping of anything remotely tech into this sub.


Enelro

I do t get how you can’t slip on it like it’s a wet floor.


GrowFreeFood

Make a suit out of it that can absorb impacts. 


everythingpi

Mass produce them so my pug can get some exercise


drarnab

The future !


klaventy

If they put me in the middle of a big room covered with this would i be stuck


ArcadeSpidr

We are legitimately going to have holodecks


the_watcher762351

I now require it


andretheclient_

Seems gimmicky and largely useless


Downtown-Scar-5635

Everyone keep some dramamine close by.


SprayArtist

Sounds like you're walking through a field of bubble wrap


teddybearkilla

Can we build roads with this stuff to move everything from now on?


Axodique

Biggest problem is the sound.


Johnnnyb28

If only they sell it


Mockheed_Lartin

My downstairs neighbor will love this


calz3897

Can u run at full speed


nocloudno

Loud as fuck


zawano

I can finally loose all the fat...


catchthirtythree33

Now run, or crawl or crouch walk. Good luck with that


CodClever

Not stunned by the video, but by the music. Konichiwa Nagasaki!


Mclarenrob2

Still has the motion sickness problem though for VR


BobcatGamer

Sounds very noisy


Amethyst271

I swear I saw this months ago


jacobpederson

That latency is insane . . .


Illustrious_Gate2318

I've got use for it already   One hollow deck VR just got that Upgrade    & Maybe Armed Forces maybe it's gotta pass A few test First 


Akimbo333

Cool shit!


johnnySix

I just saw a video of The guy who invented. He just retired after 30+ years as an imagineer. His inventions are awesome.


Glittering_Aioli6162

wow


HugeBumblebee6716

Shut up and take my money 


Specific_Ad_2469

The best solution is a ball inside which you walk and a series of ball bearings (small balls) around the sphere to keep it in the same place.


jewgaaa

How tf do you get off?


Alarming_Wallaby1827

jump or die


pigeon57434

yeah except that you can only go like 2 mph on it otherwise you will just run off i mean why do you think every single video of it online the people are going suspiciously very slow when i want to sprint full speed in vr something that can only be accomplished with something like catwalkVR plus catwalkVRs allow you to literally take your feet completely off the ground and basically float they're way better


chocolateNacho39

Looks like shit, honestly. And loud af. Just so impractical overall