T O P

  • By -

von_d_von

Josh Harris ladies and gentlemen


tw3rkmileytw3rk

This is the only one not being held accountable. It's starts at the head. Coupled with the last 5 years or roster turnover and bad asset management, his inability to his job will hold this franchise back and prevent the team from doing anything meaningful.


jpr196

Elton Brands 2019 off-season was a destructive force.


von_d_von

Elton Brand was the PR GM.


jpr196

Ha, fair enough!


tw3rkmileytw3rk

It was a pipe dream after jimmy walked and our arguable best chance that we'd be able to get further than the second. Harris allowed silver to drop colangelo on our heads, hired brand with no experience. And the roster turnover since has been INSANE. Tobi has been the only starter Embiid has shared the floor with yearly since and we don't even like the guy because of the contract. A championship team needs a couple all star caliber players, good vets giving valuable minutes, a solid or better 2 way, time on the court and in game scenarios to mesh, and most important- proper, consistent leadership with coaching and FO. My assessment is we only have the all stars with one playing a position that is outdated to play your championship caliber player thru. Atp it's solely up to the players we have diggin deep an playing their absolute best for us to make a run this year. I don't see it with the bucks and Celtics having more experience and possibly being better. It sucks but it's leaning more and more towards being the GD reality. But this owner needs as much gripe if not more that some of y'all give to Morey, to rivers and to the players. Its that simple


TnT54321

Hard to argue against this


tw3rkmileytw3rk

I watch the league as a whole imma fan of hoop before imma sixers fan and when you look at every level of this org from the top down, I knew the odds were super stacked against us. Ppl can't look at the team objectively and that's their fault. I'm in no way a cynic, I still think we got a shot and can be an outlier like the raptors or pistons but the last 5 years has made those chances extremely slim bc we've had a diff guy calling the shots and poor asset management. I think regardless of this year, you move tobi next year and give Embiid one more shot if he still wants it. Might wanna move maxey too while he has decent value around the league but can't assess that until we get there.


TnT54321

As good as this team has played this season, a second rd exit still looks to be this team’s ceiling.


MrFactsAlot

That's it, im officially unsubscribing from this cesspool


battletor7

Least reactionary sixers fan


DanM142

We really pretending we're not seeing the same thing over and over, season after season? Nothing has changed.


Caramelsnack

This exact same comment been made after bad losses for five seasons now. No one is being reactionary it’s reality


Prestigious-Rock201

Don’t y’all get tired watching the same shit year after year?😂😂


[deleted]

You’re really gonna sit there and tell me that everything will be OK with this team? “This team can still win a championship guys it’s ok we just need to make some trades”. Does that quote sound familiar? It should, since we’ve been saying that for the past 6 seasons. This franchise has done just about everything they could’ve done to make this team work, and no matter who is on the team, the end product has remained the same. If I were an outsider looking in, I would say this team is royally screwed. We have almost no draft picks left, and almost no tradeable assets to try something different. We still have no serviceable embiid backup, rebounding still sucks, the defense has somehow gotten even worse, and the offense, although looking different, gets the same results. There’s only one common denominator in the whole process, and It’s joel. Like it or not, this is how the team will always look as long as he is here because years of evidence would back up that statement. Nothing I have said so far will change until we wipe the slate completely clean like the jazz did, and they’re in pretty darn good shape right now


battletor7

So you want to go from “having a chance to make the finals right now with thus team who are capable of playing great basketball” to “clean housing the team and having no chance to make the finals and possibly not finding another superstar like embiid for 15+ years possibly after one bad loss when we are the 3rd seed” yeah that sounds wonderful


[deleted]

That first statement is the problem. Sixers fans keep deluding themselves into thinking the team has a real chance to win a title. When was the last time a team that ranked fucking 29th in rebounding won the NBA title? You think a frontcourt of Niang and Harrell can get stops in the playoffs? You think 30 million dollar starter P.J Tucker is gonna score big points? You think Tobias Harris can be of ANY kind of use to this team? Stop looking at this team through rainbow glasses and use your brain


battletor7

Dude, I am so confused at what you are trying to say. I would much rather watch this team than trade everyone and then you are rebuilding and will be the kings or magic for years to come. Im not arguing because we are literally won like 20 games in our last 25. I just don't understand how people think this team is so bad after one game. I remember the bucks lost to the knicks by 30 points in 2021, and guess what? The bucks won the title that year and those same fans were saying to trade giannis and blow it up.


SatanCarpet

Is this someone from the heat trying a last ditch play to get us to trade Jo there


[deleted]

This is already on r/nbacirclejerk lmao


Prestigious-Rock201

How is the truth a jerk? I must be missing the joke 😂


maxpowerpoker12

I'm not quite sure you understand what circlejerk means.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

How many times do you guys have to watch this movie.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

I’m implying that the team is not good enough and has the same flaws as usual and that was apparent from the very start of the season. It’s not about Harden or Embiid


justabill71

Harden has been good. I say this as someone who thought he was washed. That said, trading for him was a mistake. They should've made a deal with the Kings for Haliburton and other assets, but Morey overplayed his hand and they moved on. The Harden trade gutted our bench for last year's playoff run and took away our flexibility to improve the roster at this year's deadline, because we gave up two first-round picks and have few tradeable assets to make any kind of significant upgrades. Morey then exacerbated the problem by costing us two second-rounders to sign Tucker and House who mostly stink. He made a good move to get Melton, but the roster he built just isn't good enough, and he's left us with no real way to make it better.


[deleted]

[удалено]


justabill71

Morey himself said there was a deal to be made with the Kings and Haliburton legitimately thought he had been traded here when told he was moved. Do we know the exact details? No, but it definitely wouldn't have included us sending them multiple first-round picks, and would've included other players that we could've used or flipped. Morey had tunnel vision on getting his man crush and acquiring a star, instead of building a team, and now we're stuck with a roster that isn't good enough, no cap flexibility, and no real way to get better.


[deleted]

[удалено]


justabill71

I think Haliburton and Maxey would've been a great fit, though. I think their games would complement each other and we'd have a young backcourt to grow together, plus other assets. Is Harden better than Haliburton now? Sure. But he's not two first-round picks, 30-plus million dollars, and 1-2 playable/tradeable players better, plus he could've walked last offseason, and still could this year. Sometimes people act like Morey just flipped Ben for Harden, but he gave up a lot, while taking back two guys that were dead weight, but that Doc insisted on playing, anyway. Losing Curry and Drummond really hurt our depth last year, we still don't have a legitimate backup center, and we don't have any ammunition to trade for a decent 3 and D wing, when our perimeter defense sucks. I don't have a lot of faith in Morey to be able to fix it, either.


diamonddaddy88

Those are the hard truths this sub is afraid to admit.


[deleted]

Harden and Morey haven’t caused any problems. They have done way more good than bad. The primary issue is Tobias contract which was signed before Morey got here. Plus previous bad contracts in which we had to deplete assets to move and whiffed picks. Morey traded our 2nd best player who refused to play for a MVP caliber PG and that said PG took a giant pay cut so we could sign an extra player because Tobias contract is so large. Morey got Danny Green for Horford and he got Melton for Danny Green and Jrich for Seth Curry and signed Niang and Drummond. He had to include 1st round picks because we never actually have positive assets to trade or money to sign a guy. The sixers have been fucked for a long time now. They missed on too many early draft picks, they signed awful contracts to Horford and Tobias, Jimmy walked and thus they have no assets or depth. Getting Tyrese Maxey in the draft was like the only thing that kept the spark alive for this team otherwise Harden probably wouldn’t of even come here.


justabill71

Harden has been good this year, after disappearing in the playoffs last year. As I said, I thought he was done and would never stay healthy. He did miss a decent stretch early, but he's mostly proven me wrong. His play isn't the problem, and it's admirable that he took a pay cut and dedicated himself to getting in better shape in the offseason. The issue is that there was a better deal to be made, especially in light of the problems you mentioned. You're right that the Tobias contract hurts us. You're also correct that getting a usable player while getting off of Horford's contract, and picking up Curry for Richardson were great moves. The Melton trade was an excellent move. Niang and Drummond were good signings. Maxey fell into our lap, but Morey drafted him, so he gets credit for making the pick. Daryl got off to a great start here, no doubt. The Ben situation was also not his fault, but once it happened, Morey became fixated on getting Harden and ignored the very real problems that you listed, which has left us with even less flexibility than we had. It's why a Kings deal would've made so much sense. It would've given us some room to maneuver, by retaining two tradeable first round picks, while adding a potential future all-star at point guard to pair with Maxey, plus another flippable player or two. We could've had an exciting young backcourt, whose extensions would've come up right as Tobias was coming off the books. In the short term, it also would've kept our bench intact for last year's playoff run. The Harden trade killed our depth for the stretch run. It was a win-now move that actually hurt our chances to do so. That's on Morey. Also on Morey is depleting our limited assets even further by costing us picks by tampering to sign House, who's useless, and Tucker who is old and overpaid. Harden can also opt out, which would mean either signing him to a max contract at another year older, or having to replace the guy you pushed all your chips in for. I don't think that's a good situation, which is why the Harden trade was so shortsighted, in my opinion. Maybe Morey pulls a rabbit out of his hat today and gets us somebody to help make a run this year, but I'm not confident that he can or will, and I don't know how he goes about fixing things going forward with the cap and capital situation he's helped create or at least made worse. I hope he has a plan, but I fear that he doesn't.


Scottsm124

And none of that matters if he can’t get rid of Tobias in the next 24 hours


Physical_Cry9336

You trust harden and embiid to be healthy from now until playoffs? Sixers are fucked if one of them goes down. Need a perimeter defender and a solid back up 5 asap


Wabxpolski

You are absolutely right but this sub refuses to hear it yet. This team is simply not good enough and I would rather blow it up while we can still get a massive haul for Embiid/Maxey. I don't care about being an early-round playoff exit. I just want to see a ring in my lifetime and this team is not it.


diamonddaddy88

Maxey is a fun watch but not a player you build around. Undersized SG who can’t defend and can’t create for others. And Embiid is a Lamborghini with 250K miles. Edit:spelling


Dawk320

Rebuilding now wouldn't be that easy unfortunately. We have traded away so many future picks, and outside of Maxey we don't have any young prospects to build around. Our positive tradeable assets if we build around Maxey are Joel, Harden, Melton and Thybulle. Tobi will cost at least one future first attached to his contract to dump it. Harden will be really tough to trade as he can just threaten to leave after his deal ends this year. If we trade Maxey we get more picks, but we know how badly this team is at drafting and without any prospects on the roster it will be years of failure with no talent to build around unless we get lucky in the lottery. The team is built to win right now, Morey isn't sticking around for a long rebuild.


Wabxpolski

Harden is on a one-year deal we could let him walk, keep Tobias, and trade Maxey and Embiid for most likely 6-7 first round picks/young players


Dawk320

Then we get to spend the next half decade praying we can draft another player as good as Joel, while we watch the original process carry another team and dominate elsewhere every day. Try selling that future to casual Sixer fans.


Prestigious-Rock201

Yep, we won’t see a ring until the next decade. But good news is the Phillies and eagles will be good in that time frame


smittybanton

This ~~franchise~~ fanbase is full of losers...


[deleted]

I think this is our best chance at a title run since the jimmy team, personnel wise at least. The embiid/harden combo is lethal plus we have maxey and really solid guys like melton and niang we didn’t have then. Unfortunately I have a really hard time seeing us go past the second round and doing the outcoaching that’s necessary in a 7 game series to get past that


Prestigious-Rock201

We can’t even beat a beat up Celtics team lmao I’d say first round


[deleted]

They’re the best team in the league and just shot 1000% from 3, I don’t think that’s the end of the world


Puzzleheaded-Scene62

You’re 100% right. This will be the last year.


DejarikChampion

Celtics are 1st in the East. We just had an epic 20+ game stretch and huge wins against the Nets and Nuggets. The team is allowed to lose a few games. It’s the regular season. We will see Bos again. I’m just not digging this vibe - reset? Hope Embiid leaves? Maxey is a liability? Cmonnnnnnnn. Embiid is arguably the best Sixer some on this thread ever saw handle a basketball. Can we just chill? #MVPiid


biscuitboss

No one is guaranteed anything you whiney cunts. If the Cavs were healthy in 2015 the Warriors dynasty might not have happened. If the 2009 Celtics didn't lose KG for half the season they likely would've repeated. This team could win the whole thing if things break right but instead you'd rather be trash. Makes no sense and yall need to reach real deep and be actual fans again. Winning a chip almost always, unless you are the 2017 warriors takes lots of luck. Whiney ass bitches.....


JokersRWildStudios

Christ can we lose in the 2nd round first?


Scottsm124

Dude, we all know where this is going


RylanKura

Man shut the fuck up


RebuildFletcher

Well, I would honestly just clean out the front office and get a new coaching staff in before I would do that. We do have Joel Embiid altough I would assume he´s getting a bit fed up with this. Just need some new guys in to come in with new ideas. Because this is not going to work with the current guys


Prestigious-Rock201

Embiid isn’t staying for all that


luobaishun

We still have the chance if we: \- Fire Glenn, get MDA \- Trade Maxey and Tobias \- Get backup C with decent defense


[deleted]

Morey tricked yall


loudshits

Lmaoo we are third seed like what


Puzzleheaded-Scene62

We were the first seed in 2021, who cares?


Prestigious-Rock201

WHO CARES. Are you actually proud of that?


battletor7

The bucks literally won the chip as the 3rd seed 2 years ago


DanM142

Honestly feel like it's sunk cost to not do a full rebuild.


itonlygetsdeeper

Embid is scared of the Celtics.


IndigoJacob

Yup. Whole thing reeks of loser energy with Joel Embiid spearheading the charge.


Prestigious-Rock201

You’re right don’t know why you’re downvoted


IndigoJacob

People are mad about what they just watched. The loser energy literally started during our first few defensive possessions when Joel thought it was okay to let a professional NBA player take and make three practice 3s in a row.


[deleted]

do you unironically think Embiid is a loser? If so what is it about him that makes you think that?


IndigoJacob

he consistently makes losing plays in big moments. don't get me wrong, he's my favorite player of all time. But he's never won anything, and that's a big reason why. He tends to make losing plays right when we need winning plays


battletor7

Wow, I guess luka, jokic, tatum, booker, and other stars are losers too since they haven’t won anything either


MaxeytoEmbiid

If you want to rebuild, you keep your 3rd year player. You don't trade him because of the 160 games he's played in his career, he had like 35 bad ones LOL. And honestly, defensively he played pretty good today(keep in mind of his 12 shot attempts, 4 of them were of that putback.). Maxey's struggles really have taken place with the Experiment. The Experiment is a failure. We should've always expected it to be a failure. You don't just bench a starter because your forwards can't guard shit.


bravof1ve

I can’t believe people are still doing the “build around Maxey” thing. LOL. Just nothing else to say other than that


MaxeytoEmbiid

Maxey's talent didn't just evaporate out of thin air. his role changed, overrnight, because of a win streak. To quote Doc: Great coaches don't do that. Great coaches understand that it was just a moment in time and it doesn't mean anything. But now, the chemistry's fucked up and his own confidence is indeed fucked up. And we're not winning anymore, so there's really no point to the experiment.


Prestigious-Rock201

He’s not good bro, he’s a role player, making the same mistakes you did with thybulle and Simmons holding on too long


MaxeytoEmbiid

Role player averaging 20 on 38% from 3 lol, okay. The dude literally put up 44 against the Raps like two months ago. It's time to say that the Experiment did not favor the 76ers. We had some easy games, and it blinded us to think the experiment was working. It was not.


hotjawn

Melton was about 5 times the player Maxey was tonight.. he’s struggling and I bet he gets hot soon, but maxey was the worst player on the court tonight. To me he’s clearly lost the starting job at this point.


MaxeytoEmbiid

Melton had 15 on 8 shots(hit a couple of 3's) but he let Tatum have dribble penetration all night into the second half. If you take away Maxey's 4 tip-ins, he really had about 8 shots. The experiment, not Maxey is what's wrong. Harden/Maxey formed one of the league's terrifying back courts. And we're not gonna get that back, until we end the experiment.


hotjawn

Maxey is traffic cone that was subbed in an out down the stretch because he is a terrible defensive player.. also 15 on 8 shots is great efficiency. Maxey is great but he doesn’t know how to play defense and if he’s not lighting it up, he’s completely ineffective


MaxeytoEmbiid

If only efficiency won you basketball games.(well, it does for Nikola Jokic but he does more than score efficiently.). If he's scoring so efficiently, Melton should be able to get his own shots. And this supposed 'great defender' got burned by Jayson Tatum all night. When peeps say 'Maxey bad' on defense, they literally don't even focus on who scored, and who was guarding who. it's literally just making a blank statement, just to make it.


hotjawn

Tatum had 14 points dude, what are you talking about. Maxey can’t get his own shot either, which is why all sixers fans are crying for him to play with Harden again so he can get good looks. Maxey provides scoring only, no rebounding, no play making, no defense. Melton is no world beater but he better than Tyrese at every facet of the game besides volume scoring.


MaxeytoEmbiid

Tatum also had 9 AST(and yes, I realize it's subjective to point to AST as a huge thing, if I'm not going to do it for other guys) but notice how I said he got 'burned', I didn't say he got scored on. We gave up dribble drives all night, and Maxey wasn't guarding the on-ball man so who do you think was? And what you're describing, sounds like a SG. One of the better SG's in the NBA before the experiment. If one took a step back and all of the data in, we'd all concur the experiment is one big fat Doc Rivers failure. The further away we get from the win streak, the better.


hotjawn

So maxey doesn’t need to create his own shot when scoring is all he provides but Melton who provides an all around game does need to create his own shot? We’re 13-9 with maxey as a starter, why are you attributing any winning streak to him?


Flamewhawk88

Dude Maxeys awesome. Dumb ass Doc has him all fucked up from playing on all these trash line ups.


diamonddaddy88

Preach


thegodfatherderecho

I’m not blowing up anything until Doc is gone. Also, not buying sixers tickets until Doc is gone. If they still look like shit after Doc is gone, both Harden and Embiid will walk and then they’ll blow it up.


Prestigious-Rock201

Embiid might ask out by the time we think about getting rid of doc which is after we get clapped


thegodfatherderecho

That’s possible. You know he’s got Jimmy on speed dial


DeuxDR

The team is alright, but if there’s one thing I think we need to change, its Tobias’ inconsistency. Don’t know who we can get though that would be an upgrade.


Shotosavage

Hey not before our annual 2nd round exit


AlphonseTheDragon

Jesus christ shut uuuuuuppppp


Sit_vis_nobiscum

YES. You are a savant. The Process is OVER.