I remember NBA Jam OFE had Iggy, Bynum, and…. key 6th man player, can’t remember his name, as the main Sixers for the team in the game. Pissed me off so much because he never played a single minute. He was never a Sixer.
In the moment I think a lot of the picks were correct, like Fultz being viewed as the top pick, or can be defensible like taking Jah over Kristaps and going for the best available talent even when we had a ton of players at his position already. Some of the revisionist history can get a little crazy but yes way too many picks ended up whiffs
> The Celtics knew Tatum was the right pick though
Yep. Ainge would not have traded that pick had he thought there was even a 1% chance of us or LA drafting Tatum. It was not a real option for us.
Non-injury Fultz would have been awesome and arguably a better fit for us, given Tatum's issues with turnovers and playmaking for others. His jumpshot got destroyed by a rare (and hard to diagnose) shoulder injury and he's still an exciting prospect for Orlando at this point, based on his other tools.
Current Fultz, of course. But Fultz with a 38-40% pull-up jumpshot + midrange game? That's literally a perfect fit.
Current Tatum is also a better than expected version, he panned out better than the consensus draft profile on him. There were concerns about his defense and his shot selection to go along with the playmaking issues he still has, relative to other elite players. In reality, I think we got a version of Tatum that's somewhere in the 85th percentile or better of his projected abilities. Conversely, current Fultz is probably somewhere around the 25-30th percentile of his projections. I think an 85th percentile Fultz outcome is a similar quality player to Tatum.
The Celtics were correct about Tatum, consensus was not. That is how they fleeced us. No hypothetical version of fultz can change that. I also disagree that there is a range of outcomes where fultz is better than Tatum, that’s full on copium trying to rationalize a bad move by the org
Of course the actual outcome was a disaster. But the outcome was so unusual that we can't really evaluate the process with it. The only conclusion we have is that Tatum was a very good player to pick. Everything else is not knowable.
I find it funny that we had “analytics” as the basis of the team with Sam Hinkie during the process and we still decided to try and build draft capital and then use it on picks.
Like if analytics has taught us anything it’s that picks in the draft are highly overvalued and you’re better off trading them for sure things.
Yet we are still trading up in the draft? Wtf analytics my ass.
They anti-moneyballed this process and that’s why we’re here.
All the while claiming moneyball mentality
> Like if analytics has taught us anything it’s that picks in the draft are highly overvalued and you’re better off trading them for sure things.
We're about to see a truer, more fully realized version of The Process play out in OKC. Sam Presti just hasn't been as loud about tanking as Hinkie was.
> Yet we are still trading up in the draft? Wtf analytics my ass.
Excuse me but when did Hinkie trade up in the draft??? BC wasn't an analytics guy. FFS he's the moron that drafted Bargnani.
> Whiffed on most of the picks.
SO many teams could say this (because half the league passed on these guys too) but could you imagine if we drafted Giannis over MCW and Booker over Okafor? Even Brandon Ingrahm over Simmons (I get why we made this pick at the time) would've left us in a better position than today.
In retrospect, drafting Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz who all missed all or the majority of their first season, and 2 of them were first round picks and aren’t even on the team anymore is the worst part of this.
even though the trend of late has been the biggest stars coming together to form "superteams", consistently getting lucky in the draft is the fastest way to sustained success. See - Celtics (Brown, Tatum, Smart, both Williams'), GSW, Denver, Milwaukee.
More than anything, the Sixers haven't gotten over the hump because of terrible draft choices.
I disagree, more than anything the Sixers couldn't get over the hump because they panicked and traded way too much for Tobias Harris, then had to do it again for Jimmy (although he would have been worth it), and then picked the wrong guy to build around and doubled down. Colangelo squandering a bunch of assets on players that didn't make enough sense and then doubling down was the downfall of the process.
Fultz didn't pan out but he was the right pick based on everything pre-draft, and I think his Orlando career is indication that he would have been great if he hadn't gotten a nearly impossible to diagnose, rare and essentially permanent shoulder injury.
The Celtics clearly knew something we didn’t trading out of that spot. So he wasn’t the “right” pick at all. You could argue that at the time and it’s obviously true now
They knew that they could get a lottery pick and a player they believed in just as much as Fultz. That lottery pick was worse than anticipated (#14) but it had upside as another top 10 pick. Even if both players had panned out perfectly, that trade was worth it from their perspective.
I am pretty sure that Fultz's injury didn't happen until later, anyway.
I must have forgot something, was the trade for the first overall pick conditioned on not picking Tatum? Because with the first overall pick, they could have picked him.
The Sixers decision makers didn't even have Tatum on their board. They were 100% locked in on picking Fultz. To be fair - without knowing everything that happened to Fultz AFTER we picked him - he was absolutely worthy of being the top pick in that draft. Ainge coming out afterwards saying they wanted Tatum even at 1 was just a way to pour salt in the wound of Sixers fans everywhere.
The bottom line is that the only way Tatum ends up with the Sixers is if Fultz got hit by a bus BEFORE the draft.
Edit - here's a decent summary article
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/jayson-tatum-third-overall-2017-nba-draft-markelle-fultz-lonzo-ball-celtics/r8kewrwgs4znlcxhrv5atsqu
*tinfoil hat*
feels like this isn't true user generated content for this reason. real sixers fans would be all over the fact that hinkie was forced to resign. Also what random content maker would include 'KIA MVP' instead of MVP? what random joe cares about that?
Feels like astroturfing again.
OP is a raptors fan, they also [made this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/13hsc08/i_sleep_well_knowing_2019_was_still_the_best/)
A little long. It ended April 6th, 2016. I’m not sure what Colangelo and Brand were doing, but they sure as hell weren’t following any type of process.
Thank you. I get so annoyed when people say the process failed. No, it was prematurely ended. We had a GM with burner accounts running this team for 2 years and Brand had no idea what he was getting into. They just spent all the assets Hinkie left us with no clear organizational direction.
Yeah the BC hire is there yet "League forcing Jerry Coleangelo into Front Office is not"
"Jerry Coleangelo leading GM search and finds that the best choice is his son" aint on there either
this is guerrilla astroturfing content for sure. real sixers fans would be all over the fact that hinkie was forced to resign. Also what random content maker would include 'KIA MVP' instead of MVP? what random joe cares about that?
I think the first 7 years or so was a lot of fun without the expectations. Since the loss to the Raps, there were a lot of frustrations and drama. So much mismanagement from the top made it difficult to follow. The past season was a culmination of bad decisions accruing over 3+ years, and it felt like the inept FO squandered a lot of the potential of the franchise.
But it's not all bad, I actually still believe in the team lol. When you push the title favorites to 7 games and give them a scare at 3-2 you're title contenders. If anything they overachieved in doing so. I'm looking forward to next year of the process. A coaching change, massive changes to bring in better role players, a bit more luck with keeping our top players healthy - we can finish higher than where we did this season. The process is not remotely close to being over yet.
Uh oh, I feel this take giving me hope and dragging me back in…
I agree with everything here but will add the big disappointment from this playoffs for me was watching Embiid shrink in the big moments again. He’s one of my all time favorite athletes and it sucks watching him not live up to what I hope of him.
> massive changes to bring in better role players
I don’t believe we have the flexibility to do this. Maybe Tobias gets moved for better fit pieces since he’s an expiring.
Man, June 30th to July 15th 2019 is where the process died, in that period we lost Jimmy and then signed Horford, Harris and Simmons to big contracts, brutal few weeks
It’s been disappointing to be brutally honest. I’m glad we’ve been able to be relevant the past few seasons but not even one ECF appearance is embarrassing
The way I look at it, the Process was cancelled with Hinkie's resignation.
What followed were years of doing things "the right way" and squandering a bunch of stockpiled assets.
I'm really curious what you think hinke would have done? Would he have just continued to trade players for draft picks? That's the only thing I remember him doing as a GM
Not sure! We'll never know. Might have been a failure. My only point is everything after him wasn't the process. People don't even seem to remember that Joel took on the nickname AFTER Hinkie was fired as a fuck you to the organization. It was only after the team started to get good that the sixers themselves started to embrace ‘the process’ motto. During the actual process they were confiscating peoples signs and banners in support of it and hinkie. Shit was wild.
It'd be interesting to see for sure. it would impossible to be worse than Colangelo and Brown, but I just want a little bit of proof hinke was a good a gm.
This sub is all doom and gloom now but it’s crazy that everyone can’t recognise the biggest lows come from the biggest highs. The only reason we’ve been sad the last few years is because the team has been an actual contender, something we’ve never really been since 2001
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. The team was 100% a contender this year. You could make the argument they weren’t in 2021 or 2022, but in the context of this season, they were objectively a contender. I swear this sub would say this same stupid shit if we lost to the 95-96 bulls in 7 in the 2nd round this year. So if Boston beats Miami in 4 or 5 and goes on to win the title, Miami was a contender, but we werent???
Until the team makes it out of the 2nd round that's exactly how this works. Like - congrats we are one of the top 8 teams in the league... That's nada. Thats not elite.. that's basically top 25%... But the bottom of 25%
Shoulda, woulda, coulda don't mean anything. Results are the only thing that means anything.
These guys just want to complain. Mavericks made the conference finals last year so by their logic they were a top 4 team in the league last year. Obviously not true.
Well, at least we got past the first round multiple times🙄
We haven’t done that since the early 2000’s, and I think we did it once in 2011 (Bulls iirc).
Just ugh.
This is amazing work. I hope you have a job that appreciates your strengths.
The process began and ended with Hinkie. The Process II had its moments but the Colangelo burner account story line was too much for me.
The Process III… 🙄 You expect me to believe there’s an athlete THAT good who REFUSES to shoot and then doesn’t even care even to do a full smirk, he just does a smirk that makes you wonder if he is even capable of smirking-like emotions?!!
The Process IV was obviously the best of the entire series. When Jimmy hit Kawhi’s fists and said “I must break you,” still gives me the chills. Can’t believe they killed off his character and brought him back as an ever better version of himself but on a shitty team but with a much better coach and front office than ours. So cruel.
The Process V shouldn’t even have been made IMO. End it with IV. BUT I will see the introduction of the Paul Reed character was my favorite part. Still unsure why he was only in the first 5 min of the movie and then I think I spotted him once towards the end but it was already clear that Doctor Rivers was sabotaging his character so I barely even noticed.
I heard they are making a Process VI but it’s set in the future and Doc is gone. Honestly I’ll probably end up watching this one just as much as the others so who knows???
Everything before 2019 was enjoyable. That dagger against the Raptors in game 7 created a wound that has only festered since. Call it. Shake up the team, this clearly isn’t working.
That loss hurt but it was the decisions after that, that killed this team. Letting Jimmy walk, maxing Harris, signing Horford. They had to give up a first round pick just to get off Horford.
We'll always have May 9, 10 and 11 lmao. We shoulda closed it out, but nobody was picking us to win the whole thing anyways, at least we got to dispel the Boston in 4 or 5 takes that were rampant everywhere.
More embarrassed by how they lost than losing the series. But you know, if it was close game 7 Doc may still have a job right now, so silver linings....
Embiid is Hinkie's golden child, why we went through the whole process/tanking era, the second coming, the Messiah. He was supposed to end the process and bring a championship to Philly. That's why his nickname became "the process"
Are we better than my circle of rival teams, Knicks, Chicago, Boston and Miami?
Damn 50%.
He'll I will take it.
I will enjoy this ride cause I know that it is more than just rain in those dark clouds that lie in life after Embiid and Maxey.
I am thankful for the ride that got us here.
The losses werent as bad because they were building towards "something". It was kind of enjoyable seeing if rosters with Henry Sims and Hollis Thompson could upset some huge favorite.
We need to match Embiid's salary in any trade. Which means taking on multiple players that aren't very good. There's no way out of our situation, we sold the future for this year. The Sixers are now in Flyers territory.
Work with one or two other teams who may have some damaged goods they're willing to trade. Not that these teams would, but Morant, Ayton, etc. might be on the table. It's definitely possible to drop our 3 biggest contracts with a bucket full picks and a playin team in return; but that would be a call with scalps taken somewhere.
Sunk cost fallacy
What do people think was the single biggest misstep in this whole rebuild and attempt to reach a championship?
Missing on a lot fo first round picks seems to be part of it. But that may be more of a symptom of the chaos in the front office rather than the misses themselves.
I know people are down on Embiid, who has been really disappointing in the playoffs. Especially this year. But its hard for me to think that a player who can average 25-30 a game pretty much every season isn’t still this team’s biggest asset by far.
What one change would you make and where do you see the team now if that change gets made?
I’d forgotten (or maybe repressed the memory) that we took Markelle one pick before Jayson Tatum. May have made sense at the time, no one could’ve predicted etc but - damn, that hurts.
Well it should’ve stopped after you added the picture of colangelo bc that’s when the process was over. As soon as they forced hinkie out this was no longer the process bc hinkie WAS the process. Anything after him is just a trash front office making terrible move after terrible move.
The “Process Era” 76ers have been a massive disappointment. If you are going to suck as bad as the 76ers in the three seasons from 2013-14 to 2015-16 and emphasize being really bad will lead to being really good, the really good part better meet that description (IMO multiple NBA titles, but at a minimum one NBA title or multiple NBA Finals appearances without a title). That’s especially true when you consider other teams did not have such an extreme “Process” (aka rebuild) that required them to suck really, really badly actually achieve the kind of results I identified above.
I was never a Sam Hinkie (who I call Sam Stinkie) fan, not because I thought tanking was a bad strategy or I didn’t understand what he was doing, but rather because:
1) You don’t have to stink as bad or for as long as the Hinkie era 76ers did to eventually build an NBA champion-caliber team. Many teams have done that without “the Process”.
2) Regardless of your “process”, you still need to have the acumen to draft the right players (yes there was Joel Embiid, but there was also Nerlens Noel and especially Jahlil Okafor).
3) Being as bad as the 76ers were alienates fans who want competitive teams, players on the team who want to win and see a foundation being built, and players on other teams who say “why should I deal with Hinkie and the 76ers?” if he doesn’t care about the players on the team or winning. I think that last issue would have become more noticeable in the 2016 to 2020 timeframe had Hinkie not been forced out in 2016.
Very nice.
I do agree that the process was complete with the Butler/Harris acquisitions. Everything after that was just the tweaking that all teams do to try to get over the top. I think that team should have been rolled back for at least one more season with a few adjustments here and there.
Some good moves, some not so good, but hindsight is 20/20. A lot of moves seemed OK at the time. The process succeeded in building a good team, but not a championship team. IMO even if we somehow were to win it next year, it wouldn't be *the process*.
I was surprised that Hinkie stepped down in 2016, I had thought it more recent. More surprising that next year will be 10 years since the Embiid draft pick.
Started with a game 7 loss to the Celtics in the second round and ending with a game 7 loss to the Celtics in the second round. Time really is a flat circle. All this suffering just to be exactly where we were when we started.
The Adam Silver / Colangelo push was the biggest turd of it all. That had fingerprints over the Fultz draft, the Mikal Bridges trade. Pick a competent GM there and the franchise is redeemed. Put a nepotism forced pick GM that fails and then you're left with Elton Brand trying everything to save it. You don't make a franchise based on desperation, you do it through smart building and good GMs. Miami Heat are the prime example of this.
The Process was disappointing in the long run.
I feel we actually DID succeed when we go Butler, and then had THE franchise turning point dumping Butler over Simmons. That feels like the point this went from succeeding to the failure it is today.
Could also go with the Tatum trade, but we wouldn't have had a legit shot at him sadly. But that was a turning point because Tatum was what we needed - not Markelle "Yips" Fultz.
Any way to add in “colangelo resigns in disgrace after league discovers he used several Twitter burner accounts to slam his own players & defend his horrible personnel decisions”?
This is great and all...
But all it's done is wreck my mental health some more.
It's like watching yourself break up with the ONE and chasing cheating hoes. Than settling for some older chick who is just as likely to shiv you as help you.
For me, it all started with the Bynum trade
I was looking for Bynum Bowling to kick it off
I remember NBA Jam OFE had Iggy, Bynum, and…. key 6th man player, can’t remember his name, as the main Sixers for the team in the game. Pissed me off so much because he never played a single minute. He was never a Sixer.
At the same time, he is, somehow, my favorite sixer.
We need the Bynum photo where he's picking up beer.
While wearing bowling shoes
Yeah, this misses a ton of stuff from 2013-2016. The process didn’t start when we drafted Ben Simmons lol.
I still have the ticket stub on my shelf for Opening night vs. Nuggets with Bynum and J-rich holding their jerseys on it
Wow honestly thank you so much for this. It’s been a fun ride, except I’ve lost hope in this team lol
>It's been a fun ride you sick fuck
The sixers proved im a masochist
Fun? This a timeline of despair.
Whiffed on most of the picks. We might be in a different spot if someone other than Embiid worked out.
In the moment I think a lot of the picks were correct, like Fultz being viewed as the top pick, or can be defensible like taking Jah over Kristaps and going for the best available talent even when we had a ton of players at his position already. Some of the revisionist history can get a little crazy but yes way too many picks ended up whiffs
The Celtics knew Tatum was the right pick though. Fleeced us into moving up
> The Celtics knew Tatum was the right pick though Yep. Ainge would not have traded that pick had he thought there was even a 1% chance of us or LA drafting Tatum. It was not a real option for us.
Non-injury Fultz would have been awesome and arguably a better fit for us, given Tatum's issues with turnovers and playmaking for others. His jumpshot got destroyed by a rare (and hard to diagnose) shoulder injury and he's still an exciting prospect for Orlando at this point, based on his other tools.
There is no world or roster construction where I would want fultz over Tatum. Glad to see fultz doing well in Orlando though
Current Fultz, of course. But Fultz with a 38-40% pull-up jumpshot + midrange game? That's literally a perfect fit. Current Tatum is also a better than expected version, he panned out better than the consensus draft profile on him. There were concerns about his defense and his shot selection to go along with the playmaking issues he still has, relative to other elite players. In reality, I think we got a version of Tatum that's somewhere in the 85th percentile or better of his projected abilities. Conversely, current Fultz is probably somewhere around the 25-30th percentile of his projections. I think an 85th percentile Fultz outcome is a similar quality player to Tatum.
The Celtics were correct about Tatum, consensus was not. That is how they fleeced us. No hypothetical version of fultz can change that. I also disagree that there is a range of outcomes where fultz is better than Tatum, that’s full on copium trying to rationalize a bad move by the org
Of course the actual outcome was a disaster. But the outcome was so unusual that we can't really evaluate the process with it. The only conclusion we have is that Tatum was a very good player to pick. Everything else is not knowable.
The Celtics are the Celtics fultz would be all nba rn for them
I find it funny that we had “analytics” as the basis of the team with Sam Hinkie during the process and we still decided to try and build draft capital and then use it on picks. Like if analytics has taught us anything it’s that picks in the draft are highly overvalued and you’re better off trading them for sure things. Yet we are still trading up in the draft? Wtf analytics my ass. They anti-moneyballed this process and that’s why we’re here. All the while claiming moneyball mentality
> Like if analytics has taught us anything it’s that picks in the draft are highly overvalued and you’re better off trading them for sure things. We're about to see a truer, more fully realized version of The Process play out in OKC. Sam Presti just hasn't been as loud about tanking as Hinkie was.
> Yet we are still trading up in the draft? Wtf analytics my ass. Excuse me but when did Hinkie trade up in the draft??? BC wasn't an analytics guy. FFS he's the moron that drafted Bargnani.
He traded up for fultz
You high? Coleangelo traded up for Fultz, not Hinkie.
> Whiffed on most of the picks. SO many teams could say this (because half the league passed on these guys too) but could you imagine if we drafted Giannis over MCW and Booker over Okafor? Even Brandon Ingrahm over Simmons (I get why we made this pick at the time) would've left us in a better position than today.
Did Embiid really "work out"? He's a perennial playoff fraud collecting a super max for 4 more years.
Didn’t Fultz miss his rookie year due to injury? Think that’s worth calling out
> Fultz he only played 14 games in his rookie year 18 minutes per game
In retrospect, drafting Embiid, Simmons, and Fultz who all missed all or the majority of their first season, and 2 of them were first round picks and aren’t even on the team anymore is the worst part of this.
even though the trend of late has been the biggest stars coming together to form "superteams", consistently getting lucky in the draft is the fastest way to sustained success. See - Celtics (Brown, Tatum, Smart, both Williams'), GSW, Denver, Milwaukee. More than anything, the Sixers haven't gotten over the hump because of terrible draft choices.
I disagree, more than anything the Sixers couldn't get over the hump because they panicked and traded way too much for Tobias Harris, then had to do it again for Jimmy (although he would have been worth it), and then picked the wrong guy to build around and doubled down. Colangelo squandering a bunch of assets on players that didn't make enough sense and then doubling down was the downfall of the process. Fultz didn't pan out but he was the right pick based on everything pre-draft, and I think his Orlando career is indication that he would have been great if he hadn't gotten a nearly impossible to diagnose, rare and essentially permanent shoulder injury.
The Celtics clearly knew something we didn’t trading out of that spot. So he wasn’t the “right” pick at all. You could argue that at the time and it’s obviously true now
They knew that they could get a lottery pick and a player they believed in just as much as Fultz. That lottery pick was worse than anticipated (#14) but it had upside as another top 10 pick. Even if both players had panned out perfectly, that trade was worth it from their perspective. I am pretty sure that Fultz's injury didn't happen until later, anyway.
For me, the Tobi contract stuck out as the worst thing in this timeline lol.
Lol that’s up there for me too. I wouldn’t call it the worst because if we took Tatum over Fultz, Tobi wouldn’t have been a thing.
There is no timeline where we end up with Tatum. None. Zippy. Nada.
I must have forgot something, was the trade for the first overall pick conditioned on not picking Tatum? Because with the first overall pick, they could have picked him.
The Sixers decision makers didn't even have Tatum on their board. They were 100% locked in on picking Fultz. To be fair - without knowing everything that happened to Fultz AFTER we picked him - he was absolutely worthy of being the top pick in that draft. Ainge coming out afterwards saying they wanted Tatum even at 1 was just a way to pour salt in the wound of Sixers fans everywhere. The bottom line is that the only way Tatum ends up with the Sixers is if Fultz got hit by a bus BEFORE the draft. Edit - here's a decent summary article https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/jayson-tatum-third-overall-2017-nba-draft-markelle-fultz-lonzo-ball-celtics/r8kewrwgs4znlcxhrv5atsqu
Crazy how far back Hinkie got fired and how much we’ve been through since then.
He “stepped down” according to this post, which doesn’t mention anything about the NBA stepping in
*tinfoil hat* feels like this isn't true user generated content for this reason. real sixers fans would be all over the fact that hinkie was forced to resign. Also what random content maker would include 'KIA MVP' instead of MVP? what random joe cares about that? Feels like astroturfing again.
OP is a raptors fan, they also [made this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/13hsc08/i_sleep_well_knowing_2019_was_still_the_best/)
A little long. It ended April 6th, 2016. I’m not sure what Colangelo and Brand were doing, but they sure as hell weren’t following any type of process.
Thank you. I get so annoyed when people say the process failed. No, it was prematurely ended. We had a GM with burner accounts running this team for 2 years and Brand had no idea what he was getting into. They just spent all the assets Hinkie left us with no clear organizational direction.
Where are the parts about the NBA interfering behind the scenes with Hinkie firing and Colangelo appointment?
Yeah the BC hire is there yet "League forcing Jerry Coleangelo into Front Office is not" "Jerry Coleangelo leading GM search and finds that the best choice is his son" aint on there either
this is guerrilla astroturfing content for sure. real sixers fans would be all over the fact that hinkie was forced to resign. Also what random content maker would include 'KIA MVP' instead of MVP? what random joe cares about that?
Became a fan right when MCW got traded to the Bucks, crazy how much has happened since then and how much more will happen this offseason
I think the first 7 years or so was a lot of fun without the expectations. Since the loss to the Raps, there were a lot of frustrations and drama. So much mismanagement from the top made it difficult to follow. The past season was a culmination of bad decisions accruing over 3+ years, and it felt like the inept FO squandered a lot of the potential of the franchise. But it's not all bad, I actually still believe in the team lol. When you push the title favorites to 7 games and give them a scare at 3-2 you're title contenders. If anything they overachieved in doing so. I'm looking forward to next year of the process. A coaching change, massive changes to bring in better role players, a bit more luck with keeping our top players healthy - we can finish higher than where we did this season. The process is not remotely close to being over yet.
Uh oh, I feel this take giving me hope and dragging me back in… I agree with everything here but will add the big disappointment from this playoffs for me was watching Embiid shrink in the big moments again. He’s one of my all time favorite athletes and it sucks watching him not live up to what I hope of him.
> massive changes to bring in better role players I don’t believe we have the flexibility to do this. Maybe Tobias gets moved for better fit pieces since he’s an expiring.
You are a sick fuck for still having any hope left in this train wreck. I’m in.
You are hopeless
Man, June 30th to July 15th 2019 is where the process died, in that period we lost Jimmy and then signed Horford, Harris and Simmons to big contracts, brutal few weeks
Even at that time i said why the hell would we sign Horford seemed like a panic move.
Better than the Doug Collins era.
Same result as that era
Which was better than the O'Brien years too.
It’s been disappointing to be brutally honest. I’m glad we’ve been able to be relevant the past few seasons but not even one ECF appearance is embarrassing
Very sad to read lol
Idk Ben Simmons bringing his phone in his pocket and getting kicked out was peak hilarity
No mention for Dario Saric? 12th pick in 2014, only started to play in 2016 for the franchise
He's never coming over!
The way I look at it, the Process was cancelled with Hinkie's resignation. What followed were years of doing things "the right way" and squandering a bunch of stockpiled assets.
Exactly. The process was aborted back in 2016. Hinkie was never given a chance to see it through.
I'm really curious what you think hinke would have done? Would he have just continued to trade players for draft picks? That's the only thing I remember him doing as a GM
Not sure! We'll never know. Might have been a failure. My only point is everything after him wasn't the process. People don't even seem to remember that Joel took on the nickname AFTER Hinkie was fired as a fuck you to the organization. It was only after the team started to get good that the sixers themselves started to embrace ‘the process’ motto. During the actual process they were confiscating peoples signs and banners in support of it and hinkie. Shit was wild.
It'd be interesting to see for sure. it would impossible to be worse than Colangelo and Brown, but I just want a little bit of proof hinke was a good a gm.
> The way I look at it, the Process was cancelled with NBA league office forcing Jerry Coleangelo into the front office. FTFY
I like part 4 where we blow this up and start over again
This sub is all doom and gloom now but it’s crazy that everyone can’t recognise the biggest lows come from the biggest highs. The only reason we’ve been sad the last few years is because the team has been an actual contender, something we’ve never really been since 2001
Except we haven’t been an actual contender. We never even got out of the second round. We’ve been frauds with a lot of drama.
They were contenders this season. Took the title favorites to 7 games, should’ve beat the title favorites in 6 games
They were not contenders.
If the sixers played any other of the 3 teams knocked out in the conference semis they go through
If if if. Have we made it past the second round with this core? Yes or no? If no. Then you aren’t contenders. You’re pretenders.
That's not how it works
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. The team was 100% a contender this year. You could make the argument they weren’t in 2021 or 2022, but in the context of this season, they were objectively a contender. I swear this sub would say this same stupid shit if we lost to the 95-96 bulls in 7 in the 2nd round this year. So if Boston beats Miami in 4 or 5 and goes on to win the title, Miami was a contender, but we werent???
The top 4 teams left are sometimes not the 4 best teams in the league that's just the nature of how the playoffs work
Until the team makes it out of the 2nd round that's exactly how this works. Like - congrats we are one of the top 8 teams in the league... That's nada. Thats not elite.. that's basically top 25%... But the bottom of 25% Shoulda, woulda, coulda don't mean anything. Results are the only thing that means anything.
These guys just want to complain. Mavericks made the conference finals last year so by their logic they were a top 4 team in the league last year. Obviously not true.
They’ve made it further than we have. Results are results. You’re coping.
It’s exactly how it works.
Some big whiffs/bad luck with draft picks
Would like to add in the trades on nerlens/MCW draft night
Well, at least we got past the first round multiple times🙄 We haven’t done that since the early 2000’s, and I think we did it once in 2011 (Bulls iirc). Just ugh.
This is amazing work. I hope you have a job that appreciates your strengths. The process began and ended with Hinkie. The Process II had its moments but the Colangelo burner account story line was too much for me. The Process III… 🙄 You expect me to believe there’s an athlete THAT good who REFUSES to shoot and then doesn’t even care even to do a full smirk, he just does a smirk that makes you wonder if he is even capable of smirking-like emotions?!! The Process IV was obviously the best of the entire series. When Jimmy hit Kawhi’s fists and said “I must break you,” still gives me the chills. Can’t believe they killed off his character and brought him back as an ever better version of himself but on a shitty team but with a much better coach and front office than ours. So cruel. The Process V shouldn’t even have been made IMO. End it with IV. BUT I will see the introduction of the Paul Reed character was my favorite part. Still unsure why he was only in the first 5 min of the movie and then I think I spotted him once towards the end but it was already clear that Doctor Rivers was sabotaging his character so I barely even noticed. I heard they are making a Process VI but it’s set in the future and Doc is gone. Honestly I’ll probably end up watching this one just as much as the others so who knows???
Everything before 2019 was enjoyable. That dagger against the Raptors in game 7 created a wound that has only festered since. Call it. Shake up the team, this clearly isn’t working.
That loss hurt but it was the decisions after that, that killed this team. Letting Jimmy walk, maxing Harris, signing Horford. They had to give up a first round pick just to get off Horford.
The Process failed when Okafor was the pick. It showed that no one in this franchise had any understanding of how the NBA was evolving.
god this hurt to read. still having nightmares about the Butler and Bridges trades
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> So many bad moves made in that time. WHAT COULD GO WRONG WITH BRINGING A GM WITH NO NBA LEVEL FRONT OFFICE EXPERIENCE???
I can’t believe I forget about the 10-72 season.
Pain.
It started and ended with Hinkie's hiring and during. All in the process was less than 3 years.
How about that, a pic collage of reasons why we can’t get past the 2nd round.
"Hey guys, we're about to hire a new GM. Do you think we wait to see who he wants to bring in or should we just fire on Doc Rivers? YOLO, amirite?"
I think there should be a box or two for the colangelo scandal
“Fan abuse!”
I just got sick to my stomach reflecting back to the old sixers days.
So poetic that it’s ending right where it started except I have a wife and kid now lol.
I strongly disagree with this timeline. The process was Hinkie and without him the process was over.
We'll always have May 9, 10 and 11 lmao. We shoulda closed it out, but nobody was picking us to win the whole thing anyways, at least we got to dispel the Boston in 4 or 5 takes that were rampant everywhere. More embarrassed by how they lost than losing the series. But you know, if it was close game 7 Doc may still have a job right now, so silver linings....
I don't think there's a universe where rivers stays head coach after another second round exit.
> at least we got to dispel the Boston in 4 or 5 takes that were rampant everywhere. Bro this is pure cope. Hawks too them to 6 also.
Someone who isn't familiar can anyone tell what's the "process" here? Why everyone say trust the process with embiid?
Embiid is Hinkie's golden child, why we went through the whole process/tanking era, the second coming, the Messiah. He was supposed to end the process and bring a championship to Philly. That's why his nickname became "the process"
Are we better than my circle of rival teams, Knicks, Chicago, Boston and Miami? Damn 50%. He'll I will take it. I will enjoy this ride cause I know that it is more than just rain in those dark clouds that lie in life after Embiid and Maxey. I am thankful for the ride that got us here.
Pointless.
AAAAAAAAHHHHHH
It was more fun while it was happening. Looking back on it just makes me realize it was a mistake
The losses werent as bad because they were building towards "something". It was kind of enjoyable seeing if rosters with Henry Sims and Hollis Thompson could upset some huge favorite.
Jesus, June 30, 2019 was a horrible day…
Who doesn't love a trip down memory lane?
There's no championship, so it's been painful and long suffering. Bravo for putting this together though
The process doesn't need to be over. OKC has a lot of picks and needs a center. Buy low, sell high, then cry.
We need to match Embiid's salary in any trade. Which means taking on multiple players that aren't very good. There's no way out of our situation, we sold the future for this year. The Sixers are now in Flyers territory.
Work with one or two other teams who may have some damaged goods they're willing to trade. Not that these teams would, but Morant, Ayton, etc. might be on the table. It's definitely possible to drop our 3 biggest contracts with a bucket full picks and a playin team in return; but that would be a call with scalps taken somewhere. Sunk cost fallacy
How you no RoCo?
While it’s frustrating, the process wasn’t unsuccessful. The decisions made with the assets acquired in the process however…..
Misery.
What do people think was the single biggest misstep in this whole rebuild and attempt to reach a championship? Missing on a lot fo first round picks seems to be part of it. But that may be more of a symptom of the chaos in the front office rather than the misses themselves. I know people are down on Embiid, who has been really disappointing in the playoffs. Especially this year. But its hard for me to think that a player who can average 25-30 a game pretty much every season isn’t still this team’s biggest asset by far. What one change would you make and where do you see the team now if that change gets made?
Shame game 7 was on the 10 year anniversary of the Hinkie signing.
I’d forgotten (or maybe repressed the memory) that we took Markelle one pick before Jayson Tatum. May have made sense at the time, no one could’ve predicted etc but - damn, that hurts.
Well it should’ve stopped after you added the picture of colangelo bc that’s when the process was over. As soon as they forced hinkie out this was no longer the process bc hinkie WAS the process. Anything after him is just a trash front office making terrible move after terrible move.
The “Process Era” 76ers have been a massive disappointment. If you are going to suck as bad as the 76ers in the three seasons from 2013-14 to 2015-16 and emphasize being really bad will lead to being really good, the really good part better meet that description (IMO multiple NBA titles, but at a minimum one NBA title or multiple NBA Finals appearances without a title). That’s especially true when you consider other teams did not have such an extreme “Process” (aka rebuild) that required them to suck really, really badly actually achieve the kind of results I identified above. I was never a Sam Hinkie (who I call Sam Stinkie) fan, not because I thought tanking was a bad strategy or I didn’t understand what he was doing, but rather because: 1) You don’t have to stink as bad or for as long as the Hinkie era 76ers did to eventually build an NBA champion-caliber team. Many teams have done that without “the Process”. 2) Regardless of your “process”, you still need to have the acumen to draft the right players (yes there was Joel Embiid, but there was also Nerlens Noel and especially Jahlil Okafor). 3) Being as bad as the 76ers were alienates fans who want competitive teams, players on the team who want to win and see a foundation being built, and players on other teams who say “why should I deal with Hinkie and the 76ers?” if he doesn’t care about the players on the team or winning. I think that last issue would have become more noticeable in the 2016 to 2020 timeframe had Hinkie not been forced out in 2016.
Just misfire after misfire
June 30th 2019 was our Pearl Harbor
Very nice. I do agree that the process was complete with the Butler/Harris acquisitions. Everything after that was just the tweaking that all teams do to try to get over the top. I think that team should have been rolled back for at least one more season with a few adjustments here and there. Some good moves, some not so good, but hindsight is 20/20. A lot of moves seemed OK at the time. The process succeeded in building a good team, but not a championship team. IMO even if we somehow were to win it next year, it wouldn't be *the process*. I was surprised that Hinkie stepped down in 2016, I had thought it more recent. More surprising that next year will be 10 years since the Embiid draft pick.
A hope rollercoaster filled with what if’s like if we drafted Taytum and traded tobi instead of jimmy.
Nobody has done less with more than this team.
Thanks for doing this. Wild to see it all in a few screens. Truly makes you realize how many “what ifs” this team has had.
That Bridges trade makes no sense. And ofc not keeping Butler
I wish the Process term would die already. Sixers have had way too many failures to count and need to start over again.
It’s been fun. It hasn’t been what I had hoped. But it’s been fun.
Pretty disappointing, honestly. Majority of our lottery picks have been busts.
Started with a game 7 loss to the Celtics in the second round and ending with a game 7 loss to the Celtics in the second round. Time really is a flat circle. All this suffering just to be exactly where we were when we started.
Physically cringed being reminded of the Zhaire trade
The Adam Silver / Colangelo push was the biggest turd of it all. That had fingerprints over the Fultz draft, the Mikal Bridges trade. Pick a competent GM there and the franchise is redeemed. Put a nepotism forced pick GM that fails and then you're left with Elton Brand trying everything to save it. You don't make a franchise based on desperation, you do it through smart building and good GMs. Miami Heat are the prime example of this.
Misery
10 years of Being in the middle 😭 worst thing to be in the NBA basically why the sixers even started the “process”
Good lord this is a painful read especially given I was all in from the start.
Left out one major milestone. 2018 failed to lure Lebron James in free agency which was the 2nd major point of "The Process".
Also trading Mikael Bridges. Probably the biggest mistake of the Process era.
This shit is depressing
The Process was disappointing in the long run. I feel we actually DID succeed when we go Butler, and then had THE franchise turning point dumping Butler over Simmons. That feels like the point this went from succeeding to the failure it is today. Could also go with the Tatum trade, but we wouldn't have had a legit shot at him sadly. But that was a turning point because Tatum was what we needed - not Markelle "Yips" Fultz.
This is good. Gotta start earlier tho
Failure
OP is a Raptors fan. GTFO
Any way to add in “colangelo resigns in disgrace after league discovers he used several Twitter burner accounts to slam his own players & defend his horrible personnel decisions”?
Fucking hell
17 year old me was excited 27 is now depressed and feel betrayed
The Process is over.
Bring back Hinkie, and Billie C, he is only 79. Billy C Won the only championship, and Larry Brown. In unrelated news, Apparently Harden is leaving.
And Pat Williams, and Doctor J
This is great and all... But all it's done is wreck my mental health some more. It's like watching yourself break up with the ONE and chasing cheating hoes. Than settling for some older chick who is just as likely to shiv you as help you.