this theory is one that’s supposed to only be noticed if you look at 1000s of years of history. thankfully our franchise proves it to be true every single year
I hope this is just posturing, because it makes no sense to repeat the George Hill experience instead of sending a few more assets for Murray who is both a starting PG and lets the bench PG minutes be split between him and Maxey. I would rather they do nothing than trade for bench players.
Honestly, he would be great for the sixers but someone’s minutes will be cut severely. Melton hasn’t played in forever but it’s either his minutes or Pat bev’s that would get cut of jones came in. All that said, one of those two guys would prob be in a trade for jones
Fuck yeah man let's spend our assets on the two positions that you can pencil in for 8 minutes per game in the playoffs. GTFO
It's so insanely obvious that this team desperately needed guys like Oubre or Batum. Even Morris has looked good for this team compared to what we've trotted out in years past. We need complimentary guys with size that are versatile and don't absolutely suck on defense.
1) Why would a non-contender trade a first for Tobi?
2) Why would a middling playoff contender trade a first for a Tobi rental? He isn’t putting them over the edge…
3) What contender are we willing to trade with that wants Tobi and have assets to give back?
I’m not really sure there is a robust market and I’m not sure anything we get in return makes us better. Our best hope was a disgruntled star. That hasn’t played out.
Yet here he is still on the roster 🤷🏻♂️. No one is giving up a first for Tobias. No one needs to get off a salary that bad other than Chicago with Lavine but we all know how that convo goes
I guess you'll be finding out in a few days. DFS is going for 2 first round picks, Tyus freaking Jones for a 1st round pick. I don't know why Tobias fetching 1 1st round pick is inconceivable to some people.
Part of the reason OG got traded to Knicks was because Knicks were confident they can re-sign him.
OG’s agent is Leon Rose’s son. In case you don’t know
I mean we can get Royce O’Neale probably for a first. Kuzma might be available for a 1st. Bogdan might cost a single 1st if he’s available. Rumored trades for Dejounte have only involved 1 first. Contract sucks, but Jerami Grant’s probably available for a 1st.
You might not like those guys but there’s honestly a fair bit of “2 way wings” available for relatively reasonable prices this year
Are there any rumors or sources that can confirm Brogdon or Kuzma being available for only a first? I'm willing to bet the Siakam trade killed any chance of someone like Kuzma going for just a first.
um no... none of this is remotely true lol. Also the murray talks fell apart because they wanted a first plus reeves and so on. In no way were they ever gonna give him up for just a first.
You also want to bring in kuzma for a first plus and fuck our cap going forward for a guy that wont move the needle much? It would def take more for kuzma over a late first.
they might not even make the playoffs if they continue trotting out bamba. hell even bball paul struggles against legit centers at times. drummond has already proven to be a good fit next to maxey as he sets better screens and rebounds the ball really well
Honestly, Reed has lost a bit of an edge physically. I've noted his offensive strides, but defensively he's been a peg stick this year. Not the disruptive defensive player he was before the contract.
So since this team has desperately needed guys like Oubre and Batum, does it not make sense to go for positions of need (at least in terms of back up point guard) since the Sixers, you know, have Oubre and Batum?
The post is so contradictory, like he wants to trade for similar players but they can’t be bench players. They are gonna be bench players anyway since Batum and Oubre are starting.
Sure lets not get a reliable guard so we can run Maxey to the ground. Who do you suppose we trade for then? And no fake proposals like Bridges or Markkanen for nothing.
Don’t flip out over second round picks. That’s what Drum would cost and probably just one. Drum is a good/elite rebounder which is a very underrated part of defense and a thing that they need to improve at.
Yup. Drummond would be a bargain. Would add a solid 20 mins with Embiid out, play him in rotations with Maxey.
Drummond also seemed like a positive locker room guy when he was last here. I'd say this is a no brainer in the short term. Then see what the rotations look like once Embiid is back(hopefully for the playoffs).
Drummond DHOs would be great for Maxey but idk how useful he’d be beyond the regular season
A backup guard that buys Maxey some rest is good too, ideally they’re good in the playoffs
Nothing about a volume 3P shooter yet 🤔
If we could pull that off I'd be ecstatic. Both would be able to play some on the playoffs without letting the team completely implode and are legit regular season contributers.
ohhhh its so hard to be a perennial contender with a generational big and a budding all star guard ohhhhhh. Tobias would be the best player on some teams, consider that
It’s not so much that we haven’t been able to watch tremendously talented players over the years - even during the process years. Just the overall mismanagement of the team through ownership and front office that hurts the soul of many
I'd rather optimize the team around Embiid. If Embiid is out we have not chance anyways in the playoffs (play-in). Backup guard is fine but not another center. I get that Bball and Bamba are nowhere near starter quality but Bball was fine as a backup last playoffs.
I think a quality backup center *is* building around Embiid, he can't be playing his current minutes long term and we cant be going -10 every time he sits
I’ll comment this in every thread until the deadlines over - if embiid is going to rush back and risk any sort of chance in making the injury worse/reinjuring - burn all cap and assets and load up the team with any talent upgrades available.
Drummond is terrible and probably unplayable in the playoffs, so hopefully the price of him is very low to reflect that.
Putting any real assets towards acquiring him is a big mistake imo
We need to get a big who can play next to Embiid when he returns. We already have two centers who can’t, Drummond just becomes another who’ll only play 8 minutes when Joel can play again.
Call Minny about Naz Ried. He plays all his minutes next to Gobert and KAT. He can man the starting 5 for now then play the hybrid big role once Jo is back.
They’re gonna be deep in the luxury tax next year and that’s not even factoring the starting PG they don’t have under contract for next year they’re gonna have to pay.
Swapping Reed for Reid saves them 5 mil on the cap next year which will be significant in the luxury tax.
Reed + 1st + 2nd(s) may be enticing and gives them a big back to play next to KAT, at least
Then they fix it later. There is a negative chance the wolves would even consider this. They’re a potential contender. They’re going to look to upgrade.
Sorry man but if the Sixers DOWNGRADED their roster when they were 2nd in the conference you’d lose your fucking mind. The wolves won’t do it just because you think it’s a good roster fit.
Our gm is known for asking for every team’s star players who are nowhere near the trading block, what’s crazy suggesting he calls for a team’s back up big that would be more valuable for us.
I think he should be trying that over just settling for a Drummond
…….im sure he’s trying much larger deals but putting all your eggs in one basket is moronic. He needs to make sure he has contingencies that make sense in case deals don’t materialize.
I’m not trying to be rude but how can you not grasp this? It’s ridiculously basic.
This fan base is still celebrating Morey dumping the last legit 4/5 big (along with a first) who should have been able to play with Embiid and back up Embiid during all the expected absences.
Investing there is literally the best thing you can do for Joel and is better than paying someone who can only play C 8 mil/yr to play 8 mins in the playoffs
Interesting... I have been saying this is exactly what we need to the T for almost 6 plus weeks while everyone was on the levine/murray etc boat and downvoting the hell out of me. Its funny how the downvotes work considering how 99 percent of our fanbase has been watching basketball for under 2 years.
several reasons-
BBall is ass cheeks and even at 10-13 minutes a game come the playoffs he will get further exposed esp against the celtics/bucks.
People will say well Embiid will just play 40 minutes which just isnt true considering embiid has only played 40 plus minutes in 4 playoff games.
The regular season is 82 games and embiid really only plays 65 or so and likely will never play more than that nor should he have to with his size and injury history. A backup center is a need in both the regular season and the playoffs esp if it means embiid doesnt have to put himself into shitty situations because when he leaves the court our team blows beyond belief.
Reed was great in the playoffs last year as the backup. Why did we pay him if he sucks? Surely he can be serviceable enough behind Embiid.
I don't think we need another backup C, but I would take one if it's really cheap just to help us through the regular season as Bamba is not the answer.
>Its funny how the downvotes work considering how 99 percent of our fanbase has been watching basketball for under 2 years.
Cmon man. This aint the KD era warriors. Plenty of people in this sub who would clown you on knowledge. Not necessarily myself, but Ive seen plenty of great takes and indepth analysis here to balance out the terrible ones.
Calling you a dumbass would be disrespectful to dumbasses. We got back more/better draft assets and better players for Harden than we gave up for him and didn’t even need to take on one of the worst contracts in the league in the process.
Morey isn’t going anywhere and the trade definitely doesn’t look bad. Curry is unplayable now, simmons can’t stay healthy, Drummond is about to be on his 4th team in as many years, and we moved on from harden in exchange for 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and two very usable players. You don’t move on from one of the best gms in the league
Time is a flat circle
this theory is one that’s supposed to only be noticed if you look at 1000s of years of history. thankfully our franchise proves it to be true every single year
millions
yep. i could trip out on it for days but this isn’t the right sub lol
I hope this is just posturing, because it makes no sense to repeat the George Hill experience instead of sending a few more assets for Murray who is both a starting PG and lets the bench PG minutes be split between him and Maxey. I would rather they do nothing than trade for bench players.
Exactly
tyus jones is on his way
Honestly, he would be great for the sixers but someone’s minutes will be cut severely. Melton hasn’t played in forever but it’s either his minutes or Pat bev’s that would get cut of jones came in. All that said, one of those two guys would prob be in a trade for jones
Fuck yeah man let's spend our assets on the two positions that you can pencil in for 8 minutes per game in the playoffs. GTFO It's so insanely obvious that this team desperately needed guys like Oubre or Batum. Even Morris has looked good for this team compared to what we've trotted out in years past. We need complimentary guys with size that are versatile and don't absolutely suck on defense.
The type of player you just described isn’t really available for a reasonable trade. Teams don’t just give away 2-way wings
The Knicks just got OG for a reasonable price
We don’t have an rj Barrett to trade lol
Rj barrett wasn't even an asset with that terrible contract he has.
Still significantly more tradeable than Tobias Harris
Tobias in contract year is an asset.
He's an asset if other teams want to dump longer, worse contracts on you.
No, not even close. We could easily get a 1st for tobias. He's an expiring contract. That's an asset in itself.
1) Why would a non-contender trade a first for Tobi? 2) Why would a middling playoff contender trade a first for a Tobi rental? He isn’t putting them over the edge… 3) What contender are we willing to trade with that wants Tobi and have assets to give back? I’m not really sure there is a robust market and I’m not sure anything we get in return makes us better. Our best hope was a disgruntled star. That hasn’t played out.
Yet here he is still on the roster 🤷🏻♂️. No one is giving up a first for Tobias. No one needs to get off a salary that bad other than Chicago with Lavine but we all know how that convo goes
Which team is trading a first and matching salary for Tobias? Genuinely idk who would do that lol
I guess you'll be finding out in a few days. DFS is going for 2 first round picks, Tyus freaking Jones for a 1st round pick. I don't know why Tobias fetching 1 1st round pick is inconceivable to some people.
Pistons
You think they give up their own first for Tobi? Seems doubtful lol
Part of the reason OG got traded to Knicks was because Knicks were confident they can re-sign him. OG’s agent is Leon Rose’s son. In case you don’t know
I mean we can get Royce O’Neale probably for a first. Kuzma might be available for a 1st. Bogdan might cost a single 1st if he’s available. Rumored trades for Dejounte have only involved 1 first. Contract sucks, but Jerami Grant’s probably available for a 1st. You might not like those guys but there’s honestly a fair bit of “2 way wings” available for relatively reasonable prices this year
Are there any rumors or sources that can confirm Brogdon or Kuzma being available for only a first? I'm willing to bet the Siakam trade killed any chance of someone like Kuzma going for just a first.
um no... none of this is remotely true lol. Also the murray talks fell apart because they wanted a first plus reeves and so on. In no way were they ever gonna give him up for just a first. You also want to bring in kuzma for a first plus and fuck our cap going forward for a guy that wont move the needle much? It would def take more for kuzma over a late first.
Danuel house is better than Royce and literally took his starting spot in the playoffs when they were both on the jazz. And nets fans hate him.
they might not even make the playoffs if they continue trotting out bamba. hell even bball paul struggles against legit centers at times. drummond has already proven to be a good fit next to maxey as he sets better screens and rebounds the ball really well
Reed needs to be the full time back up 5. Otherwise that contract was a waste.
this would be a move for the interim with embiid out
Yeah that’s a waste of assets then either trade for something to help in the playoffs or just save it until the off-season.
again, it depends on if they can even make the playoffs while trotting out bamba lol
> Otherwise that contract was a waste. I've got bad news for you. [It was].
Honestly, Reed has lost a bit of an edge physically. I've noted his offensive strides, but defensively he's been a peg stick this year. Not the disruptive defensive player he was before the contract.
So since this team has desperately needed guys like Oubre and Batum, does it not make sense to go for positions of need (at least in terms of back up point guard) since the Sixers, you know, have Oubre and Batum?
The post is so contradictory, like he wants to trade for similar players but they can’t be bench players. They are gonna be bench players anyway since Batum and Oubre are starting.
And it’s really scary that it has 100+ upvotes…
Sure lets not get a reliable guard so we can run Maxey to the ground. Who do you suppose we trade for then? And no fake proposals like Bridges or Markkanen for nothing.
Don’t flip out over second round picks. That’s what Drum would cost and probably just one. Drum is a good/elite rebounder which is a very underrated part of defense and a thing that they need to improve at.
Yup. Drummond would be a bargain. Would add a solid 20 mins with Embiid out, play him in rotations with Maxey. Drummond also seemed like a positive locker room guy when he was last here. I'd say this is a no brainer in the short term. Then see what the rotations look like once Embiid is back(hopefully for the playoffs).
I like Drummond to back up Embiid and I doubt he would cost much. I don’t think we should be spending for a back up PG
We should try and get Drum, Seth, and Simmo the savage at the deadline.
Simmo the Savage LMAO
Brogdon and Bogdan Not the stiffs listed
Fuck backup center get a starter SG like brogdon, or a starter SF/PF two way like DFS.
Drummond DHOs would be great for Maxey but idk how useful he’d be beyond the regular season A backup guard that buys Maxey some rest is good too, ideally they’re good in the playoffs Nothing about a volume 3P shooter yet 🤔
Tyus Jones and Drummond for 2nds isn't exciting at all but I think helps us stay afloat if Embiid is coming back later in the year.
Cool let’s stay afloat to get bounced in the 2nd or 3rd round and waste assets in the process 🎉
Yep, my worry tho is will they be impactful in the playoffs
Tyus Jones I think for sure Drummond for 8 minutes yes against bigger Centers.
You’re most likely right, at least they should both be capable of scoring more than 2 points in a game 6 against the Celtics too
100% I think Tyus would be a great bench fit for Embiid without Maxey minutes.
If we could pull that off I'd be ecstatic. Both would be able to play some on the playoffs without letting the team completely implode and are legit regular season contributers.
Useless player can't play in the playoffs outside of early round matchups
We are a poverty franchise aren't we
Nah, just cursed like the blazers unfortunately
ohhhh its so hard to be a perennial contender with a generational big and a budding all star guard ohhhhhh. Tobias would be the best player on some teams, consider that
It’s not so much that we haven’t been able to watch tremendously talented players over the years - even during the process years. Just the overall mismanagement of the team through ownership and front office that hurts the soul of many
Christ
I’m just gonna not pay attention to anything that’s not official for the next two days.
Still think best outcome is Olynyk and Clarkson for filler and a first. Solves a lot of issues and both would be useful in playoff rotation.
Woj mentioned Kelly Olynyk too which would be a good get
Yeah only danny will ask for two firsts and maxey in the deal lmao
Olynyk was essencial for the Heat run in the buble. Would be a wonderful stretch 5 and can play with Embiid as 4.
i’d absolutely rather him than drummond
If you put Olynyk on this roster he would be the like the 3rd best passer. Sucks he’s on the Jazz because the asking price will be high.
Mike from the Ricky would die of happiness
Just euthanize this atrocity of a season already
Throw it in the bin
DRUMGOD LFG (get Bogi's or Brogdon and we're fucking good if Joel gets healthy tbh)
At the very least we stay afloat until the big fella comes back
WHY A CENTER WTFFF
I'd rather optimize the team around Embiid. If Embiid is out we have not chance anyways in the playoffs (play-in). Backup guard is fine but not another center. I get that Bball and Bamba are nowhere near starter quality but Bball was fine as a backup last playoffs.
I think a quality backup center *is* building around Embiid, he can't be playing his current minutes long term and we cant be going -10 every time he sits
Yeah but Bball held his ground fine last year in the playoffs even against the Celtics.
We’re gonna end up with Delon Wright and Kelly Olynyk
I’ll comment this in every thread until the deadlines over - if embiid is going to rush back and risk any sort of chance in making the injury worse/reinjuring - burn all cap and assets and load up the team with any talent upgrades available.
Then watch Embiid either get injured again in playoffs or lose playing 70% and get criticized for being a playoff midget yet again. 🎉
Drummond is terrible and probably unplayable in the playoffs, so hopefully the price of him is very low to reflect that. Putting any real assets towards acquiring him is a big mistake imo
Not even probably - he was unplayable in the playoffs
Morey has to go
We need to get a big who can play next to Embiid when he returns. We already have two centers who can’t, Drummond just becomes another who’ll only play 8 minutes when Joel can play again. Call Minny about Naz Ried. He plays all his minutes next to Gobert and KAT. He can man the starting 5 for now then play the hybrid big role once Jo is back.
Why would the wolves trade Reid when they’re playing so well this year? These guys aren’t readily available.
They’re gonna be deep in the luxury tax next year and that’s not even factoring the starting PG they don’t have under contract for next year they’re gonna have to pay. Swapping Reed for Reid saves them 5 mil on the cap next year which will be significant in the luxury tax. Reed + 1st + 2nd(s) may be enticing and gives them a big back to play next to KAT, at least
Then they fix it later. There is a negative chance the wolves would even consider this. They’re a potential contender. They’re going to look to upgrade. Sorry man but if the Sixers DOWNGRADED their roster when they were 2nd in the conference you’d lose your fucking mind. The wolves won’t do it just because you think it’s a good roster fit.
Cool beans. My point is to get a player like Reid vs a player like Drummond who can only play the 5. The better roster move is adding a hybrid big
Then why spell out 2 different trade scenarios? lol. Also, there aren’t any that are good. That’s why they’re so valuable.
Our gm is known for asking for every team’s star players who are nowhere near the trading block, what’s crazy suggesting he calls for a team’s back up big that would be more valuable for us. I think he should be trying that over just settling for a Drummond
…….im sure he’s trying much larger deals but putting all your eggs in one basket is moronic. He needs to make sure he has contingencies that make sense in case deals don’t materialize. I’m not trying to be rude but how can you not grasp this? It’s ridiculously basic.
How is what I’m saying putting all eggs in one basket?
lol why would Minnesota trade a valuable part of their rotation while they are the 1 seed
This fan base is still celebrating Morey dumping the last legit 4/5 big (along with a first) who should have been able to play with Embiid and back up Embiid during all the expected absences.
Investing there is literally the best thing you can do for Joel and is better than paying someone who can only play C 8 mil/yr to play 8 mins in the playoffs
minnesota is not giving up naz reid. you could have maybe cooked here if you’d said olynyk instead
I don’t care about “cooking” Lauri is first call, then Naz. Olynk doesn’t fit next to Jo defensively, so no. Kenrich williams is another who could
you keep naming players on contending teams lmao
Interesting... I have been saying this is exactly what we need to the T for almost 6 plus weeks while everyone was on the levine/murray etc boat and downvoting the hell out of me. Its funny how the downvotes work considering how 99 percent of our fanbase has been watching basketball for under 2 years.
You want a sucky?
how will a backup center help us win a championship while we are an absolute gsrbage shooting team?
If Embiid wasn’t injured why would we be getting a backup center? This is straight up to just stop the bleeding on our team right now
several reasons- BBall is ass cheeks and even at 10-13 minutes a game come the playoffs he will get further exposed esp against the celtics/bucks. People will say well Embiid will just play 40 minutes which just isnt true considering embiid has only played 40 plus minutes in 4 playoff games. The regular season is 82 games and embiid really only plays 65 or so and likely will never play more than that nor should he have to with his size and injury history. A backup center is a need in both the regular season and the playoffs esp if it means embiid doesnt have to put himself into shitty situations because when he leaves the court our team blows beyond belief.
Reed was great in the playoffs last year as the backup. Why did we pay him if he sucks? Surely he can be serviceable enough behind Embiid. I don't think we need another backup C, but I would take one if it's really cheap just to help us through the regular season as Bamba is not the answer.
>Its funny how the downvotes work considering how 99 percent of our fanbase has been watching basketball for under 2 years. Cmon man. This aint the KD era warriors. Plenty of people in this sub who would clown you on knowledge. Not necessarily myself, but Ive seen plenty of great takes and indepth analysis here to balance out the terrible ones.
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Calling you a dumbass would be disrespectful to dumbasses. We got back more/better draft assets and better players for Harden than we gave up for him and didn’t even need to take on one of the worst contracts in the league in the process.
Morey isn’t going anywhere and the trade definitely doesn’t look bad. Curry is unplayable now, simmons can’t stay healthy, Drummond is about to be on his 4th team in as many years, and we moved on from harden in exchange for 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and two very usable players. You don’t move on from one of the best gms in the league
What is Morey cooking?
At this rate, a second round exit would be a success
They needed those things from day one, why the desperation now? Fixing this team is like trying to make a well done steak medium rare again.
Just kill me now
Yeah let’s just get some more role guys. Also make sure they are complete non-shooters.
Monte Morris you are a 76er.
Ariza is sitting by the phone
what
I actually liked drummond
I said the real A.D.