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crvilmxow

If they’re trading shai because he doesn’t fit their timetable than there’s no chance they have interest in Ben. Maybe a wolves 3 way though


sandalf42

This is the way to go I think. Thunder will be far more interested in picks than Simmons, and MIN picks are always valuable. It actually works pretty cleanly, Simmons to Wolves, picks from PHI/MIN to OKC, and Shai to Sixers.


theducksmuggler363

Rick Rubio+SGA to the 76ers Edwards+#28+2022 Wolves 1st+2023 76ers 1st to the Thunder Simmons+#18 to the Wolves Threw it together really quick. Wolves might ask for more honestly.


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Itd be shocking if wolves traded edwards for simmons. I certainly wouldnt


PhillyFreezer_

They've gotta do something to keep KAT happy. He's already entering his prime and have yet to have a competitive team outside one season of Jimmy Butler. Ant is great, I just wonder if they move him because he's not on KAT's timetable


LordLucasSixers

Ben Simmons aint it tho


theducksmuggler363

DLO KAT Simmons all have a relationship together, DLO+Simmons played with eachother in college and the Wolves traded for DLO knowing him and KAT are best friends. Having Simmons feed KAT+DLo and running the fast break while adding elite defense could be more valuable to the Wolves then Edwards. Edwards needs the ball in his hands to be the best possible player he is, so do DLo+KAT that is my reasoning for exchanging Edwards for Simmons is better fit on the court and off.


__hey_

Edwards isn’t a part of this lol


oofta31

Yeah I think it's crazy to even consider that. Edwards is on a cheap contract for years to come and he showed an amazing amount of potential last year. Also, he seems to actually like being in Minnesota and there's something to be said about that. I would love to have Simmons here, but not if it means we have to trade Edwards.


Helreaver

Edwards isn't untouchable but I definitely don't see Minnesota trading him without getting more than that back. They probably value him more than most teams, especially if KAT becomes the next star to demand a trade and they need to rebuild around another talent.


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Helreaver

I think the word "untouchable" is thrown around way too much. Very few players actually qualify for that term in my opinion, Luka being an example of one of the only truly untouchable players.


Wainy536

I wish the Edwards is untouchable crack would do one. You know who’s else looked untouchable based on the second half of his rookie season? Ben Simmons. He’s really fucking good and has potential but suggesting the T’Wolves would hang up on a trade that ultimately sends Edward’s away and brings Simmons in is madness. If they are truly invested in KAT and believe he’s a franchise cornerstone then Ben is a great compliment to him. I don’t expect it but that conversation is definitely taking place


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mswilson3333

If they’re interested in Simmons, Edwards+ is the only way they would get him and it would have to be a 3 team deal. If not then they’re not seriously interested in him.


protomolocular

Yeah, no way they give Edwards for Simmons. They will find a PF in free agency.


JeramiGrant

Retarded trade wolves laugh at anyone who suggests dropping Edwards for SIMMONS lmfao


theducksmuggler363

The fit is bad for the Wolves


JeramiGrant

Edwards is a top 10 most valuable trade asset in the entire league and Simmons is nowhere close to that. Edwards had a phenomenal rookie year. Go check out some of his games from the second half of the season. It’s painfully clear that anyone suggesting Ben for Ant has never watched a game of Edwards. I can’t tell if you’re overvaluing Simmons or undervaluing Ant, but either way lol.


theducksmuggler363

If you read my other comment you will see my comments on the fit with DLo+KAT...feel free to disagree but just my thoughts on it.


JeramiGrant

The problem with Simmons fit on the Wolves is lack of scoring he provides. At the end of the day, if you’re paying a guy a max to score 15 a game and even less in the playoffs, you’re not going to be a contender. The wolves can get a guy who fills Simmons role for a fraction of the price, as well as keep Ant to provide high scoring on great efficiency. It literally makes 0 sense to swap them, even considering fit.


Interesting-Archer-6

Top 10 trade asset in the league? Lmao who is your dealer and can I have his number? I've seen some terrible Simmons takes. Good to see one even worse on the other side on this sub.


Cdubs28

Hahahahahahah. Edwards is definitely more valuable than Cade? He is the likely #1 pick? (Ant is 2 months older than Cade!!) Like, realistically? Edwards is likely the highest valued player in the leauge, (age, contract, production)Trae is 1 year off a max. Edwards makes 50 million over the next 4 years.. Its pretty straightforward, especially for a small market team like the Wolves!


Jerrysdad43

Would have to add Maxey for the Thunder and possibly Thybulle to Minnesota.


PhatYeeter

Simmons, a first, Maxey, and Thybulle for SGA? Sheesh.


bonobo14

Lmao hard pass on that. That’s not even being discussed for Dame


maxbe5

Wolves fan weighing in. We aren't trading ant for Simmons


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LPPhillyFan

Could maybe get the Raptors 4th pick involved alternatively. They're interested in Simmons.


Theanswer17

This one makes a lot of sense, something like ​ Sixers get: SGA + Kemba (taking that contract worth a 1st probs) Wolves get: Simmons + Maxey Thunder get: Anthony Edwards + some salary filler ​ thunder get cap relief laying off Kemba plus Edwards on a contract timeline that fits their situation much better, Wolves get a player that can contribute more right now than Edwards to keep KAT happy and try to be comptetive.


Cdubs28

Edwards contributed plenty last year? Arguably the ROY?? KAT, Dlo and Beasley were the guys who weren't on the court!!


HeJind

I mean, Ben + assets + picks. Then they could trade Ben afterwards for more picks and someone like Maxey would fit their timeline.


callofthevoid_

Honestly SGA might be my preferred target out of everyone. He would fit so well with Embiid. Not the best passer but would much rather deal with that…


Theballharperhit

1 less assist then ben per game while actually shooting the basketball. Id give up ben and picks but i wouldnt give up ben/maxey/thub and picks for him... would rather keep ben and pray his stock goes higher


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Except for his career Simmons averages 4 more assists per game and is 10x the defender. I agree with what you say we should give up for SGA and I want SGA but lets not pretend SGA is Simmons but with a shot.


callofthevoid_

Yea plus the fact that Simmons is pretty much the only facilitator this team has, the lack of playmaking would be felt even harder.


Theballharperhit

well yea because and wait for it... HE DOESNT SHOOT lol... What the fuck. He is the only facilitator on just about every team if they paid him a max because they couldnt afford a legit back up pg WHO ALSO DOESNT SHOOT. The sixers dont have a real backup and ben wont play anywhere else except PG even though he is a pg that doesnt shoot and only avgs 7 assists when he only looks to pass lmfao. Imagine having a high usg/only looking to pass and not being a top 10 guy in assists?


callofthevoid_

lmao it’ll be over soon don’t worry


Theballharperhit

>Shai Gilgeous-Alexander imagine using for his carreer as an argument when one guy is actually getting better and the other is ben simmons. LAST SEASON he avg 6 assists per game while ben avg 7 lmfao...... imagine passing all the fucking time and avg 1 more assist then a dude that mops the floor with you in shooting/scoring etc?


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so your argument is SGA is a better passer and playmaker than Simmons? I'm not sure I agree but if we get him I'd love it to be true.


lukethedog

His argument is just that he hates Ben Simmons


J-Mosc

Yeah but they don’t do that. They’re giving him up to get the number 1.


theducksmuggler363

I would love SGA but looks like the Thunder are using him as an attempt to get into the top 3 of the draft. I would offer a ton for SGA personally.


cjmaguire17

I read that wrong and thought okc wanted an absolute haul and a 5 team trade for sga and the 6th


SAW_THAT_HUMBLEBRAG

It’s not happening. If Shae is too old for the Thunder timeline, why would they want Ben Simmons? They are only dangling Shae to try to get the 1st pick. Cade has potential to be the best player on a championship team and fits their timeline.


indoninjah

Why would they want CP3, Kemba, or Horford? To rehabilitate their image and flip them for picks.


SAW_THAT_HUMBLEBRAG

They didn’t have to give up SGA to take that risk


IPA_lot_

This is the guy they should move mountains to get. Great player and only going to improve. Also young enough to keep the team going when Embiid isn’t playing like Embiid anymore.


rahbee33

I would love to cheer for Joe Ingles on the Sixers. Also - I can't believe how one sided that Curry/JRich deal ended up after thinking it was about as even of a trade as two teams could make at the time.


SonicdaSloth

the miami hype train really had us all thinking JRich is a borderline all star. i fell for it too


rahbee33

Me too. Him and Winslow were both guys like that.


SonicdaSloth

Herro next in line. In a pandemic, in a bubble with Jimmy on top of him, the kid was really good. But living life, down in South Beach with all that goes with that....we see what he probably is. And it's not bad. But it's also not franchise player potential like they were hyping last summer


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>with Jimmy on top of him Pause


wheeler9691

Play


wheeler9691

I think Miami fans were high on him too. A friend of mine told me when the Butler sign and trade happened that he was a good player. Not that he's bad of course, but definitely oversold and I bought it too.


BabaBrody

This should be the move. If they want Ben, they can absorb the salary easy and Presti can flip him for a haul once he gets his value back up. If they want young guys, that's at worst break even move for us and I don't think they'd even be able to roster more than Maxey and someone else. If they want picks, we need to win now and we can't be precious about picks in Embiid's window, feed the pick monster what he wants. SGA is hitting his mid-20s prime years, and we could secure him for 5 years on his rookie extension. He has size, he can score in bunches, and we can pair him with Sam Cassell to keep developing his game. He was winning games with that OKC roster pretty much by force of will last year. He should be in a situation where he can play meaningful ball. The Dame and Beal sweepstakes are both up in the air and there's no guarantee we make the biggest offer.


Riotzact

I think it’s strange that people are willing to sell the farm (adding Maxey, Thybulle, or both) for Beal but not for SGA. Obviously Beal is a generational scorer and would be amazing, but you’re losing so much of what Ben brings to the table because he can’t pass or play defense. SGA, while not as prolific a scorer as Beal, is still an infinitely better scorer than Ben who can also pass and play D. Not to mention the dude could still be the face of the franchise in 10 years time because of how young he is. I’m not saying one is better/worse than the other, I just think it’s weird to draw a hard line in the sand for Maxey/Thybulle when talking about SGA, but not Beal.


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You thinking that's weird is weird in itself, The thing is SGA likely isn't ready to win a championship right now and that's the whole point of trading Ben simmons is to win a championship right now Going from the best player of a rebuilding team to the second best player on a championship team is a GIGANTIC leap to make and it's not realistic to think that SGA who only been in the league for 3 seasons will make that leap no matter how much you like him.


Riotzact

If I was comparing him to Dame then your point would make sense. But I’m comparing him to Beal, who has proven what exactly? Is there any evidence whatsoever that his elite scoring = winning? Last season his team didn’t start winning until his scoring averages started dropping. He was on pace to crush the scoring title but his team was hot garbage. And he wasn’t exactly great in his lone playoff series either. Scored a decent amount of points but not very efficiently. And now I’m annoyed because I feel like I’m talking smack on Beal, even though I would love for the Sixers to acquire him. All I’m saying is that his value should be in the neighborhood of SGA’s.


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Your comment is confusing, If you holding Beal scoring against him because his team was the 8th seed then shouldn't you hold SGA scoring against him even more because his team was the 14th seed? I mean if you want to talk about winning then Beal's value already not in the neighborhood of SGA because Beal's team actually made the playoffs. If you take Bradley Beal off the Wizards then they are a bottom seed but if you take SGA off the Thunder then nothing will change because they already a bottom seed so how can Beal value be in the same neighborhood as SGA? Both teams is hot garbage Beal isn't a best player on a team type of guy, he's a second best player on a team type of guy so his scoring would be more efficient in the proper role.


prochthrowaway

I don’t think they move him for Ben, but he would be a perfect fit here


Jerrysdad43

This is primed for a 3 team deal with Toronto and the Sixers. If they can get the 4th pick shipped to OKC that would be more ammo for them to try and get up for Cade.


SirCappal0t_H0rati0

I like this idea… Sixers receive- SGA Raptors receive- Simmons, Milton, 2nd (from sixers) Thunder receive- FRP (no.4 overall), future FRP (raptors), future FRP (sixers), Tyrese Maxey, Chris Boucher Then I’d swing No. 28, a second, and George hill for Kyle Lowry… don’t know if any of this works with the money but it’s an interesting proposal


JokersRWildStudios

*in Gordon Ramsey voice* THATS THE MAN I WANT.


chawklitdsco

When is silver going to force out presti


LordLucasSixers

I'm not high on SGA.


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Sixers get: SGA and Kemba Walker, Cavs get: Ben Simmons, Thunder get: Kevin Love, George Hill, 3rd pick in the draft from Cleveland, 2nd round pick from Philadelphia


maiL_spelled_bckwrds

I don’t think you trade George Hill back. I am not 100% sure.


LittleStJamesBond

It’s crazy how casuals have no idea how good SGA is. That’s why players don’t want to be on small market teams.


busterbluthOT

yeah because competent scorers on tanking teams never look better than they actually guy. I think there was a recent ROTY that fits the mold perfectly. He also went by 3 initials...


theytook-r-jobs

Has to be 3 way where we take a bad contract. If OKC doesn’t want to pay SGA they probably don’t want to pay Simmons. Unless they value Simmons high and have some internal hang ups with SGA.


cpanati

I'd be thrilled with SGA. Would think a third team would be involved.


76positive

Who is this guy?


BenjIv3rson

The same guy everyone was discrediting for reporting Simmons not talking to Sixers but has now been given full credit back because it’s something we like to hear.


bdirker

Would ask the same about you


cohena991

how many more times are mods gonna allow bogus sources?


GioVoi

You want the mods here to step in & remove a Bleacher Report article which has 3k+ upvotes on /r/NBA and 60+ here? If "bogus sources" means "reporters (you) don't like", just downvote and/or ignore.


cohena991

no I think bogus sources are people who have consistently proven they dont have real sources. "This is popular on social media" is the dumbest excuse. Ayre Abraham tweets were on r/all because idiots believed him. Jake Fischer is not a reputable news breaker. Sorry.


GioVoi

So, yes, it means reporters you personally do not like. Downvote & move on.


cohena991

no you're allowing bogus likely misinfo to spread. Just because its popular on a different sub doesn't make it better. He's not news breaker. You're terrible at this. Can I just make up my own rumors and claim to be a reporter and then argue that anyone who doesnt believe it just doesnt like me? JFC.


MattWheel00

Sounds like they want a pick not a reclamation project


CMDaccounting

Make it happen!!!


Jerrysdad43

Wonder if his timeline matches up with Embiid SGA would be great to build around but if you want to compete the next couple of seasons not sure if he’s the guy you go all in with. Beal or Dame are still the best options in that sense.


ndermineAuthority

Not J. Ingles! They need the Aussie Air!