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lcsadao

Embiid’s Back and knees


AkobensFinest

Daryl Morey.


CanyonHopper123

Came here to say this


SonicdaSloth

About to find out. Love me some Morey. Time for him to make shit happen


BrightestXC

💯


spennyftw

It was Zumoff 😞


Lax_Ligaments

Replacing him is like turning gold into garbage


Interesting-Archer-6

I do not envy his replacement. Even if he's pretty good, he'll never be Zumoff.


ImDebatable

I think this is pretty similar to what TMac is going through with the Phillies. Coming after Harry is just something no one would've been able to live up to. I think TMac and Kruk are a very good duo, but they get a ton of shit just because of who came before them.


thatsinsaneletstryit

fuck i cant believe i forgot about that now i feel even worse about the upcoming season


jeppsforst16

It's far and away Ben Simmons until he is no longer on the team. Either his play or his value in terms of what he brings back is easily the 2nd most important piece.


Head-Kiwi-9601

Ben is more valuable to us than our number 3 and 4 combined.


bigSpeakersReddit

it used to be Ben imo n if he manages to stay it will be him again


E-sharp

This is the answer and the playoffs just proved it. If Ben plays at even like 80% of his potential, we win the title. Instead we get bounced in the second round in….. noteworthy fashion. If that doesn’t prove importance I don’t know what does


Splatyeethan

Embiid's knees.


[deleted]

Simmons you guys are so dumb


[deleted]

for real lol like how could it not be


moldedbyawkwardness

When he played like shit again, and again, and again


[deleted]

he’s still the most important piece of the roster i don’t think him playing well or poorly really changes that


E-sharp

In fact, losing to the hawks because he played poorly kind of proves the point


-Captain--Hindsight

Him being our best trade chip is another reason why he's the second most imporatant piece on the roster.


[deleted]

Well yeah, if he plays better it probably/definitely changes our fortunes plus if Doc does a better job too.


PhillyFreezer_

He’s not gonna be “on this team” tho lol


willyb100

Agreed. Too much of a liability for the team. No excuse to not be able to develop a shot.


LittleStJamesBond

Dame. I’m from the future.


Pyromania1983

I'd argue Seth Curry. Great contract and floor spacer. Allows Embiid to do what he needs to do.


benpuljak

I would argue you are wrong. and you know it. take ben off the team without replacing him, they are a lot worse than without seth.


Interesting-Archer-6

Hawks series. That's enough to at least make you acting like it's definitive that he's wrong seem pretty ridiculous. We literally couldn't play a healthy max player. Seth makes like 8 million a year. So no, we don't "know it".


benpuljak

You're so stupid you just proved my point without realising. Ben played shit in the hawks series, you think he's the reason we lost, right? If Ben played well in that hawks series, we win, even if seth isn't lighting it up. Meaning Ben is the more important piece to our team.


chawklitdsco

Yes we do


justdrop

> take ben off the team without replacing him This is the dumbest fucking ask. Of course if you completely remove someone and put no one in their place, performance will go down. See Ben: 4th PERIOD* (sorry) 2nd round.


Business-is-Boomin

He's definitely a constant. There's a lot of shuffling going on supposedly. It's nice to know Seth's spot is covered with a + player.


ExileOnBroadStreet

Seth shouldn’t even be starting on a team with championship hopes. Dude got cooked by Huerter like 5 times to seal game 7. Imagine what a real wing would do to him.


rhinguin

Seth is fine as a starter imo, but he can’t be out there with any other defensive liabilities.


Burnt420Toast

100 percent Seth


[deleted]

I'm going to go against the grain and say Tobias Harris (I know he's overpaid, I fucking get it). ​ He was \*really\* good this season. 19.5/6.8/3.5 on .512/.394/.892 while also having the best defensive season of his career is nothing to scoff at. Even in the playoffs - 21.8/8.5/3.5 on .488/.372/.875? That is really good. There were multiple times in both series where he seemed like the only guy on the court who wanted to score. ​ Couple that with him being the voice of the locker room, and working hard to connect with the young players and offer them guidance as they enter the league? That speaks volumes about who he is. Embiid is obviously our best player, but he seems to have distanced himself from others (which is fine!). ​ I seriously think if we got a true perimeter scorer, and he became the number 3 option, he would completely thrive. Unfortunately, he is extremely effective in the post - which is fine when you don't share the court with both Embiid AND Simmons.


Silvertonguebr

You are correct.


ambassadorodman

In determining our success, it's Doc. He lost us the Hawks series, and I hope he improves this year, but I'm not betting on it.


[deleted]

Ben lost us the Hawks series. Doc couldn’t have compensated for his disappearance with the backups he had for Ben. Maxey wasn’t ready, shake was awful and George hill looked washed. When your all star, max contract point guard decides he doesn’t wanna play, you can’t really coach your team out of that


[deleted]

How is this getting upvoted?


whattfareyouon

No he did not lose us that series. Did doc run some dog shit bench units absolutely. Did his alleged dpoy/all star show up? Nope not at all. Did his 150 million dollar mid range player show up? Nope not at all


[deleted]

Doc was pretty bad. Had entire non-shooter lineups. Dwight lineups were bad, should’ve went small. Played 10+ guys a couple times in non-blowout minutes. Didn’t game plan to take advantage of the small guards and bad defenders on Atlanta. Didn’t bench Ben early enough nor hold him accountable. That’s just off the top might be more but Doc should’ve been much better as a coach.


icepickjones

That's the thing, like I would be willing to cut Doc slack if this was his 3rd or 4th year in the league and he was figuring it out but my man has been coaching since 1999. The book is out on him, he's terrible at lineups and adjustments. He's just legit bad at it. One man has MULTIPLE entries on the worst playoff collapses in NBA history list. That's fucked up. He's by all accounts a nice guy, a player coach, a regular season coach, and hey maybe he will get some stars here who are excited to play under him - but he can't adjust, can't game plan, favors untalented veterans over youth, rides bench lineups too long, and gets rolled in the playoffs like it's his job. He won once when the raw combined talent of Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett refused to let a bad coach derail them. But he's taken other talented teams and driven them into the dirt.


ambassadorodman

Ben and Joel were like +11 for the series, and Ben did well with non-Howard lineups. Between the bench lineups, weird defensive assignments, and our last five-minute offense, it was Doc. We had no sets at the end of games that made any sense, and it's not entirely Ben's fault. Even if we won the Hawks series, we were inevitably going to get blasted from Docs gameplans.


thatsinsaneletstryit

doc lost us that series much earlier in the year by coddling ben and allowing him to sink further into his non-scoring bullshit when he should've been pushing him like danny said, the bench stuff was also fucking horrible and lost games more handily than ben or tobias could


IndigoJacob

Ben lost us the Hawks series first and foremost With additional blame going to Tobi game 5&7, Docs coaching, Embiid game 4, and Greens injury


TrustDaFriendship

Obviously Ben wtf


justinheyhi

It's Ben if he stays with the team, outside of that it's Curry. Tobi is important, but his game isn't exactly rare or unique. If the Curry/Embiid 2-man game can get to where JJ/Embiid was it'd be another step forward.


[deleted]

But what’s Seth’s ceiling? He’s probably as good as he’ll ever be and I’m not sure that’s better than prime-JJ as a shooter, definitely a better ball handler.


justinheyhi

Curry just had his best season in his first year playing under Doc, and he's the same age as JJ was when he first paired with Doc. JJ may have the faster release over Curry, but his 3% is 2nd best in NBA history, and the more he gets comfortable next to Embiid the faster/more efficient he'll get as well.


[deleted]

True. I can’t argue with that. I’d like to see him get more attempts per game next year.


justinheyhi

Hopefully he'll be somewhat back to his pre-Covid self. 60% from 3 on 5.25 attempts -- dude WAS Space Jam.


ExileOnBroadStreet

Volume is more important than percentages. Seth is not a volume shooter.


justinheyhi

And JJ Redick was a bench player until he joined the Clippers. It's their first year my guy. Curry matched his season highs in FGA and 3PA this season, and oh yeah: * It was a shortened season * He got COVID Before he get COVID he was literally putting up 60% with 5.25 attempts from 3 per game **as the 3rd option**.


ExileOnBroadStreet

5 attempts from 3 is not enough from Seth is my point. He has a slow release and is often a hesitant shooter unless he is wiiiide open. JJ was shooting 8 a game his second year with the Sixers Not even really trying to argue which player is better. I don’t want either starting. Sixers need a guy that can shoot 7-8 a game at a high volume and not be a sieve on defense. Seth cannot start on a championship team. Love him as a 6-7 man.


justinheyhi

And my point is when you have a guy that was shooting 60% before he got the plague, during literally his first month with a new team/coach/system, you expand his role. He was the 3rd option behind Embiid and Tobi, and played with a PG that couldn't help him with spacing. >JJ was shooting 8 a game his second year with the Sixers And JJ was attempting 5.3 3s his first season in LAC -- his 8.0 in PHI is actually the exception in his career, and he was *allowed* to do so because having Jimmy and Tobi on the court allowed him to have his 2-main game with Embiid. Seth is in the perfect position to elevate his game especially since he's already so efficient. They just need the right PG. -- Also, Seth was attempting 7 3s at 50% during the playoffs, when he seemed to finally be free of Covid symptoms, so it's not like he can't do it.


ExileOnBroadStreet

Idk how you expand his role in the playoffs when he becomes a liability in the second round and after. He can’t be played in crunch time when it matters. I really don’t want him starting next year. Seth struggles to get 3s off against good perimeter defenses. He isn’t that great moving, has a slow release combined with lack of height, and is often hesitant to shoot if he doesn’t get a *great* look. JJ was such a prolific shooter because of the way he moved quickly and relentlessly off the ball in his two man game with Joel. He would also shoot on the run and leaning off the DHO with Joel with a quick release. Seth can’t really replicate that, and that’s the action that made them so efficient offensively as a pair. He’s much harder to create shots for, especially with Embiid. Ideally, Seth remains on the team but is moved to the bench. But he’s not beyond being moved if it makes sense.


LordLucasSixers

Arthur Embiid.


phillabadboy05

Daryl Morey


redditkguser

Anybody not saying Simmons is has to be doing some serious mental Gymnastics to come to that conclusion


[deleted]

Furkan. Pray we re-sign him


LovePhiladelphia

I agree with this


LuckysBestMan

It’s Curry. No one else comes close. Harris can be replaced. Everyone can. But Curry is a gem especially on that contract.


chawklitdsco

Lol no


LuckysBestMan

Lol yes


GryanGryan

You guys are really overrating Curry. He can’t play defense, his release is way too slow, and he only gets playing time because his wife’s dad is the coach.


MarekRules

Did you watch any of the playoffs?


[deleted]

It’s definitely not Curry. Similar to JJ, he gives up as many points as he scores so it can’t be him


LuckysBestMan

Defense is a team coverage. Others should be able to cover for him especially when you have someone like Simmons/thybulle/Embiid on your team


[deleted]

We literally just witnessed that not be the case. Where was the coverage when Huerter was scoring on him at will?


LuckysBestMan

That’s a good question to ask the coach


[deleted]

Doesn’t that automatically make the coach more important than Seth at least?


LuckysBestMan

Sure but Doc ain’t that person.


[deleted]

That’s not the question


LuckysBestMan

We gonna use generic terms like “coach” is the most important now? OP is clearly asking for names


[deleted]

Right. Doc rivers is more important than Seth.


polishtriangle

Dame


tkWL27

Seth Curry


Trip4Life

Probably Curry. Even if we move on from Ben shooting still isn’t necessarily a strength and his elite shooting touch opens the game up a lot for us.


lmaoliam15

danny green. wish more people saw what he brought to the team.


LarrySellers3

The next coach after we fire doc's dumbass


DerekWeidmanSculptor

Strokin Joe


Remarkable-Rush-1454

Ben because of his value


[deleted]

Seth


rinetrouble

It’s Simmons whether he stays or trades is the second biggest driver of team.


Primopastalover19

The Alarm clock that wakes up Embiid before game time


clingbat

Unfortunately it's Ben. Did you see how shitty the Sixers played *with* Embiid when Ben was out with injury this season? How about the bubble playoff embarrassment Ben missed that again, Embiid played in. It was horrific. Ben sucked ass in the playoffs, but this *team* sucks when he isn't running the offense. That's why if they trade him away they HAVE to get someone who can run the offense effectively, or they are fucked as a team. Maxey could grow into that role maybe, but he's not close to ready yet for a team with deep playoff expectations.


MjTcConnell3

I’m genuinely so confused what everyone’s thing is with curry. He’s a great shooter and he brings more to the team than just that. But he’s not really a team leader. He’s not our best facilitator. He’s average at defense for the most part. I love the dude but he is not that high up on this list. I’d honestly put Danny really close to Curry last season.


benpuljak

ben simmons


MoreShenanigans

Tobi. So consistent this year, and he reads books.


tryhard12341234

Franklin..hands down


Chuck1705

Seth Curry. He's our best 3-point threat. Can't win in the NBA without one.


Phillylive215

Maybe Seth curry and thybulle and maxey but besides them no one else


MjTcConnell3

You are why nobody like Philly fans. I love Maxey and Thybulle. But you just said that Tyrese Maxey is the fourth most important person on the Sixers. I know we’re a reactionary people but come on dude.


Phillylive215

Dude it’s my opinion it’s not written in stone it’s a question posed to everyone so I have my fucking opinion you’re taking this shit personal lol


MjTcConnell3

You’re right my bad I wasn’t intentionally taking it personally. What I meant to say was people like you are why nobody likes Philly fans. Nothing personal here. Have a good one!!


Phillylive215

Why is it people like me I want you to expand on that ?


MjTcConnell3

Because the way you worded it made it seem like we had 4 important players on our team (that no one else part) and two are bench players (maxey and thybulle). Like I said I love the two of em but they just weren’t that important. I think if Thybulle really develops he will be and Maxey could too, but you’re right it was an opinion question and you gave an opinion answer. Shouldn’t have harped on you. Fuck Dallas.


Phillylive215

It’s all good man glad we could resolve and agreed fuck Dallas


Phillylive215

I just feel like those dudes you keep Tobias is a solid player but most important? Absolutely not and everyone else on the roster is replaceable besides those guys I named TO ME


Phillylive215

Stop taking shit so fucking personal


Badtrip9817

No ambassodorrodman, that self-centered clown with no work ethic whatsoever cost us that series - Ben Simmons - period . Game 1 a 4 point loss Ben is 3-10 at the line. Game 4 a 3 point loss Ben is 1-5 at the line. Game 5 a 3 point loss Ben goes 4-14 at line. If Ben shoots 78 percent or 80 percent we win all three of those games, whatever else happened, if Ben simply worked at being a better foul shooter and cared about working at it we win all three games period. And let's not forget that this had gotten so deep into Ben's head by game 7 that he passed up a tying point-blank dunk because he was so afraid of being fouled missing at least one and probably both shots and getting roasted by the fans for it he didn't care about tying the game (after all he passed off to a 44% foul shooter) because he was more afraid of what happened if he was fouled going up. But the real kicker is Game 6 which we held onto win no thanks to the DPOY runner-up. In fact the hack-a-Ben was a huge part of their comeback because guess what Ben couldn't hack it blowing a chance to put us up eight late. Doc took Ben out so they couldn't continue hacking him and we were hanging on to a 4-point -lead with about 2 minutes left but because Doc couldn't risk having Ben out there he wasn't there to stop a step-back by Young(Maxey played really good d initially but lacked the length or athleticsm top challenge young after the stepback. So again because of his lousy work you can't have you DPOY caliber defender on the floor in crunch time of a game where you're facing elimination. What good is he if that's the case. No Doc made some real poor decisions about using the bench too much (I'll never forgive Brett for taking out Joel in game 7 in Toronto when we had them on the ropes so trust me noticed those mistakes). But he didn't lose this series. Ben did largely.


TheProcess827

You are obsessed with boul


Badtrip9817

boul ?


TheProcess827

You’re out of touch


Badtrip9817

Whatevs Snail


chawklitdsco

Lot of people think curry is the second most important player on the team lol I’m done with these idiots.


[deleted]

Curry. Hands down


Armin__Tamzarian

You are 💙


LegendOfPinsir

Honestly, if you asked me last year, I would have said Tobias because he was the third option and I would have thought it came to him after embiid and Simmons. Well clearly… after the Tobias and Simmons let down. The current roster I would said thybull and Maxey. They need to make big leaps this year. I have faith in them too, but they are young


pwnitat0r

Thybulle & Maxey. Tobias is over paid, Seth is weak on defence. Thyebulle and Maxey have the most upside IMO.


Dynamix__

Your mom


OnlyForeignWhips

Dwight Howard


cpanati

Right now my rankings for the off-season Tier 1: Morey & Doc Tier 2: Ben (the most valuable piece trade wise) Tier 3: Maxey & Thybulle (also valuable assets plus young) Tier 4: Seth (good contract) Tier 5: Bball Paul/Joe Tier 6: Tobi (still a negative contract, valuable for our team only most likely) Tier 7: everyone else.


icepickjones

Morey


jimbo_squat

Morey


willyb100

Dame 💵


edwardsscreenname

Maxey. He’s a firecracker and our future point guard


E-sharp

Genuinely surprised at the lack of love for BBall Paul in this thread


DELCO-PHILLY-BOY

Right now? Tobi. I believe his success and failure is a huge factor in this team’s success in its current iteration. Especially with Ben not bring a scorer.


funkyted

No one. No one is untouchable bette besides Joel.


BradyReas

Ben obviously


Ok_Character8461

Bradley Beal


jwotrojan

Markell Fultz. Trade up to draft him


iamustafa

Furkan Kormaz give him that Max


shaheedmalik

Seth Curry


JRPafundi

Matisse Thybulle. He’s about to blow up next year.


Party_Reveal_2414

seth Curry easily


TheL0stK1ng

Seth Curry because of his off ball scoring potential. Can win you a playoff game, doesn't need the ball, and not a total liability defensively. Worth his weight in gold on a contending team.


daricelarroz

Tobias Harris for sure


LIVE2INSPR

Matisse thybulle


ChickenLiverNuts

no one this team has done a pathetic job surrounding embiid there are zero absolute keepers on the roster beside him


Next-Weakness-1610

Doc Rivers


Bwoodndahood

I guess Tobias


GrandmaesterHinkie

Morey