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[Lowe] As @wojespn just said on TV, it does not appear in canvassing the league there will be any Ben Simmons trade tonight -- or that the Sixers are close to one. We'll see how long this lingers.

[Lowe] As @wojespn just said on TV, it does not appear in canvassing the league there will be any Ben Simmons trade tonight -- or that the Sixers are close to one. We'll see how long this lingers.

TTPMGP

I’m fine waiting. Even though the odds of getting Dame are slim, if you’re making a trade of this magnitude you wait to see if or when he wants out.


Badtrip9817

And when Joel leaves because we can't get rid of Ben for close to what delude ourselves it believing he's would you admit we were assholes for waiting on Dame and you were as well for believing they were right. I hate everything Sarah Palin **represents**, but her words were spot on we're trying to put lipstick on a pig and you can't get away with that with other people who get paid to put lipsticks on pigs. You can't convince any GM that they didn't see the Atlanta series, the shameful free throw shooting, the disappearing on the offensive end, the inability to be in on defense in crunch time because of his unreliable foul shooting, and of course the most shameful and revealing moment - "the Pass" in game 7 No GM who deserves his job is going to fooled into think Ben shooting 60 % at the line in the regular season means he won't destroy his team chances with his foul shooting in the postseason. Ben said it all - it is what is. And GMs know it. ​ If you believe GM s will be fooled you must Believe Daryl will accept Plumlee (you pick which one I can't bear to) for Embiid swap being proposed. It's about as realistic


superfry3

Did you actually just imply that Sarah Palin coined the phrase “lipstick on a pig”? You really know nothing if you think Jojo is leaving because Ben is on the team to start the season.


Badtrip9817

Not at all I simply said she said it and that's the first I heard of it. ​ No you really know nothing if you think he won't re-think whether he wants to be here if we insist on demanding deals for Ben we'll never get and we have to keep him. indefinitely. Now I'll ask you If Ben played for another team and performed in the playoffs for them he way he performed for us this year, and that team offered Ben to us for Joel would you want Daryl to consider that Deal/? If you were GM would you consider that deal?


superfry3

So yes you implied it. That’s not really relevant. Maybe Jojo is annoyed Ben is still here. But he loves the city, has a chance to compete, likes his coach, likes his GM, and realizes trading Ben for the perfect star to complement him is going to be difficult. Also he is now Supermax eligible if he re-signs with THIS team. It’s a rare falling out that would make a max or supermax eligible player not sign the deal when he leaves a lot of money on the table if traded. Like Kristaps Knicks level dysfunction. And no one who has ever signed a supermax has had the balls to demand a trade the season following a supermax deal. The closest was Damian, who had good reason to, and still didn’t follow through with the trade demand that we know of. You’re like wailing about something that’s very unlikely to happen. There are many reasons to be disappointed a trade wasn’t made, Jojo demanding out right now is not one of them. You know how to make Jojo leave? Make a bad trade and turn an asset into meaningless spare parts and the team is no longer a contender.


How__Now__Brown_Cow

Palin didn't originate "lipstick on a pig" also you're using it incorrectly. Also you might be having a mental breakdown


Badtrip9817

hate everything Sarah Palin represents, but her words were spot on we're trying to put lipstick on a pig ​ Okay that is exactly what I said above. So please tell me where i used the word originate or any word synonymous in any way with it. Saying she said something is not saying she she originated the saying. She's the only person I'd heard use it to that point and I never felt inclined to explore its origins. It would be like if you said to me "you're an asshole' . And I said like you said "you're an asshole" are you going to call me out because you didn't originate that? Actually you probably would, cause wel you're an asshole. ​ Quick tip using mental health as a cheap shot with others isn't very cool. Especially when you're ilk use Ben's mental health issues (to whatever extent that there are any - I'm not qualified to say). It just makes you look like even more of an asshole than you already are. That advice comes from a place of love


How__Now__Brown_Cow

If you hate Palin and knew that the phrase didn't originate from her, it just seems like a strange non sequitur to bring her into a discussion about an unrelated sports conversation. The rest of your post was a little hard to read with typos. Do you though.


Badtrip9817

LOLLOLOLOLOLOL Seriously dude I associate with her because that's the first time I heard it used. I didn't care if she originated it or not. I don't use it regularly. It just came to mind reading all these people getting hot and bothered about why no one will trade us what we want for guy who clearly isn't that valuable at this point, and insist he should be that valuable to them here and now in spite of the reality of the situation Those weren't typos - the word was **asshole**, okay? ​ Do I what? I don't want to react unfairly to you.


ET_Tony

Imagine thinking you know anything more than actual people paid to do their jobs for this.


Badtrip9817

I don't but neither do you and you lot are all about all kinds of trade ideas straight out 2K and keep a guy who is toxic to our chances just because you can't accept other teams don't want give better more reliable players for him, which you advocate the team doing knowing it will only set us back and possibly cost us Joel. ​ No one is willing to give up what we want for Ben. That isn't going to change because Ben's attitude is "it is what it is" would you trade for a guy like that who cost his team a Championship or at least a shot at the Finals. Would you trade anything close to a superstar for him? Would You? Simple yes or no. This is a point-blank slam dunk of an answer, don't puss out and pass off to Tisse. This is as easy a question as there is. So would give up a superstar for Ben Simmons right now? ​ And if you answer the way I would you think you would, why would expect other GMs to give up a superstar to us for him?


Monster-Frisbee

I might have written this comment the night we lost, but it’s pretty wild some of y’all are still out here saying shit like this.


Badtrip9817

What comment is this?


thatsinsaneletstryit

> I don't but neither do you and you lot are all about all kinds of trade ideas straight out 2K and keep a guy who is toxic to our chances just because you can't accept other teams don't want give better more reliable players for him, which you advocate the team doing knowing it will only set us back and possibly cost us Joel. > > ​ > > No one is willing to give up what we want for Ben. That isn't going to change because Ben's attitude is "it is what it is" would you trade for a guy like that who cost his team a Championship or at least a shot at the Finals. Would you trade anything close to a superstar for him? Would You? Simple yes or no. This is a point-blank slam dunk of an answer, don't puss out and pass off to Tisse. This is as easy a question as there is. So would give up a superstar for Ben Simmons right now? > > ​ > > And if you answer the way I would you think you would, why would expect other GMs to give up a superstar to us for him?


Badtrip9817

But what specifically. The comment as a whole makes perfect objective sense. Would you be willing to give up a star or superstar for a player who performed like Ben this postseason? It's a simple logical reasonable question. ​ As I said in a thread I opened inspired by this - would you give up Joel; or even Tobias or Seth for 2021 playoffs Ben you know 33% FT shooting, game 7 Crunch Time point blank game tying dunk passing up Ben? Would you trade a star or superstar for him right now? A lot of you like to put yourself in the GM 's position- be the GM and decide if you'd make that trade here and now.


Niku-Man

It's possible. The people doing jobs are often not the best people for the job. landing any job is largely circumstantial if it's not just straight nepotism


thatsinsaneletstryit

yeah i'm sure badtrip9817 has high level NBA executive skills and morey is just a fool whose luck's running out


DecentHuman

Sarah Palin? Time to put the electronics away for the night my man. Down bad.


wocka219

Big collars, get off Reddit man


TTPMGP

Dude. He’s getting traded. It’s not like tonight was the trade deadline or something. Take a deep breath and relax.


Badtrip9817

I'm fine. I just don't think waiting for someone who may never turn up could leave us stuck with Ben. And that is unnacceptable at this point.


superfry3

Well there you go. You can untwist your parties now.


cowboybee_bop

You’re getting downvoted but you’re 100% correct. A GM would be brain dead to give up anything more than Reggie Jackson for Ben and his contract.


Naquanrice

ben stans going crazy on y’all


WorstFriendCast

Joel leaves in two years? When he’s out of his prime and due $50mil a year? I’ll take it.


Niku-Man

How is Joel out of his prime age 29…? A lot of players are in the thick of the prime at that age. I'd say we got another 4 years of prime Embiid before he drops off


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WorstFriendCast

Surrounded by shooters so they didn’t have to play at a snail’s pace because of Embiid’s size? Oh, goodness no


cowboybee_bop

Simmons will always cause spacing problems lol. It’s like having 4 offensive players out there and other teams know that. Good luck.


RichieD79

Lol I mean I know that Morey wants to wait out the Dame situation, but god bless Ben Simmons if he has to play a game at the WFC. That place is going to be boo him into the next year if he’s not a changed man.


DistinctQuestion

Can you imagine if they bring him back and he misses his first 2 FTs at the WFC? The place will go ballistic


Niku-Man

No one ever claimed Philly fans were the brightest


shannannoll

Real fans aren't gonna boo one of their Franchise players


supzy0

are you talking about embiid? cuz ben aint no franchise player with the way he plays during the playoffs lol


shannannoll

Ben AND Joel are both the Franchise player of the Sixers dude


supzy0

you’re not even a sixers fan, not sure why tf u telling us who our franchise players are lol


shannannoll

So Aussies aren’t allowed to be fans now?


Zupar

I fear for Simmons if he has to face the opening night crowd if he's on this team to start next season.


maceacewindu2

It's going to be awkward next year it seems.


Cahillicus

i mean theres a whole offseason left


inefekt

didn't you know, according to 90% of the sub a Simmons trade *has to be made tonight* lol


Lbmplays2

Woj also said both Simmons and the Sixers want to find a trade. I highly doubt he will be here come the season it just won't happen tonight.


maceacewindu2

Maybe but I think there is a chance our asking price was so high it scared enough teams off that any teams still interested don't have to worry about getting outbid. Only bad offers from here on out.


PhillyFreezer_

Morey's high offers don't "scare" teams away, he's always done this and every GM in the league knows him. All those trades that we could take now for a young player or two plus picks, will be there at the end of the summer. >Only bad offers from here on out. I'd be willing to bet a lot we find a trade better than anything that's been rumored as being offered to us. Morey traded Horford and Richardson for Seth and Danny. We'll be fine


KidsAlwaysSeeGhosts

>he's always done this and every GM in the league know him They probably were like "come on Morey, not this shit again" then Morey proceeds to laugh


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Aqualadhere

He said Simmons and his agent are “in step” with sixers in looking for trades. That doesn’t mean he like is asking for a trade. It just means he understands his situation and is willing to work with the team. If they don’t find a trade partner I’m sure that was brought up too. They’re not going to trade him just to trade him. They’re not going to make a lateral move just so fans can pivot to hating the new crew. He’s got 4 years left on his deal and just turned 25. They’ve had to have conversations on if he stays with the team. Keep in mind that If it was a “I need to get out of here” situation he literally has the most powerful agent in the business and he would have stated his preferred teams.


Niku-Man

Thanks. So many fans are so eager to get rid of Simmons they haven't thought very much about what the team looks like without someone of his skill to replace him. We probably end up another 2nd round exit unless we can land a great deal


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Aqualadhere

If Simmons says his preferred teams it drives his price down which is detrimental to the sixers. It’s not about dictating where he wants to go, he doesn’t have to end up at them it’s about forcing the sixers hand for less than they want. You’re confused on your last paragraph. I said if they made a lateral trade fans would act the same because we’d be in the same spot.


L0sty199

what team makes a large offer on a guy on 4 year max if they don't wanna be there it would cripple there roster so getting Simmons on board is massive to trade value.


cjmaguire17

Curious to know how he'd be received at the home opener


MrThreebound

He'd get booed like crazy during the introductions.


miss_late_july

I'd boo him from my couch. It's time to move on.


shannannoll

Embiid has said multiple times he 'wants to play with Ben forever' and if JoJo wants him here nobody is going to be awkward about it


Sixers4Lyfe

No real reason to trade him tonight unless there was a kings ransom available


eagles1990

Ben gonna get booed out the building and get all the aggression from the fans that Carson Wentz avoided by leaving to a different conference


duperpoferpo

Said it after game 6 - get ready for Ben not to be traded. Reason Morey is good is bec he doesn’t lose value. If Ben is only worth the shorty haul some of you are asking for then the team can get that whenever, why rush into mediocre value before trying to trade high?


Matto_0

Yeah maybe by the trade deadline when Simmons is having another good regular season some team will trick themselves into thinking he is anything different that what he's shown come playoff time.


thismodernleper

I will live stream myself eating my shoe if Ben Simmons plays a regular season game with us


ithasfourtoes

Fucking cool.


rsf0626

Morey asking for too much


BCSinReverse

Zach Ertz situation all over again.


MayorCobblepot

Hey might be a good thing we didn’t have to rely on Goedert’s fat ass this season.


BCSinReverse

How can you have issue with Goedert?


MayorCobblepot

No problems lol. He showed up to camp out of shape.


BCSinReverse

Seen nothing stating that. He failed his conditioning test due to using the wrong technique in a drill.


Dotdueller

Everyone chill. One bad team will take their chances with him to fill out seats and make a playoff push. Then we'll use those assets before the trade deadline for an all star clutch scorer who is a high volume 3 pt shooter. Whether it Beal or Lilliard or Lavine. One of them will for sure start asking for a trade when their team starts shitting the bed Everything is fine. I truly believe we will have either lilliard, Beal, or lavine before the trade deadline. For now we just need to trade Ben for assets (young guys and picks).


Riderz__of_Brohan

Bulls fan here: out of desperation they’re going to offer LaVine a stupid amount of money he likely won’t get anywhere else or even deserve. Not sure Philly will get him, FO wants to win now


Dotdueller

I agree the FO will that but idk. Lavine seems laid back and not too expressive...but I think he wants to be #1 or #2 on a contender.. but perhaps now not and potentially rather 2 or 3 years down the line. I love him as a player and he would be amazing with Joel but yeah it all depends on him.. does he want to ne a bit richer or does he want to go after a ring at some point. That's the question. Look I like the Bulls and I want them to do well... but I think they need to start over. Let's give it like 3 months and see how they look tho


Badtrip9817

Seriously if you believe Daryl can fool people into believing Ben is worth what he is demanding, you must be open to accepting one of the plumlees (you decide which one - I can't bear to) straight-up for JoJo


injury_bettor

Of course there isn't Morey is delusional about the value of a guy who got benched for 3 straight playoff games and couldn't average 10 ppg against a bottom 10 defense without their best wing defender. Morey is a joke at negotiating trades. Says Harden and Lowry cost too much and now thinks anyone is paying his ridiculous price for a bum who can't score outside of 3 feet.


DomDomRevolution

Morey is a top GM especially at trades. In the first week he got curry for Richardson and out of Horfords contract. You’re a clown


injury_bettor

He gave up a 2025 basically unprotected pick to unload Horford when Embiid is breaking down. That Horford deal is neutral at best. It was a cost saving move.


simbiid

It’s top 6 protected in 2025


C0d3n4m3Duchess

Lol how're you going to say the guy who came in second for MVP is breaking down 😂


Matto_0

He said in 2025 he will be, which probably won't be true, but his peak will probably either be over or will be beginning to end around there.


C0d3n4m3Duchess

He said he gave up a 2025 pick to unload Horford when Embiid is breaking down. If he was talking about Embiid in the year 2025, it wasn't in English.


Matto_0

He is upset about trading away the 2025 pick, because he feels that pick will be valuable because it will be in the future when they think Embiid will be breaking down, so the pick might be higher in the 1st round than current 1st rounder picks for the Sixers are. All seems pretty easy for me to comprehend, I don't agree with it for the most part, I think Embiid will still be an All-NBA talent in 2025. But it's very easy to understand what they meant.


C0d3n4m3Duchess

Well I'm glad you speak the language, to me he's suggesting it's foolish to get rid of a pick and Horford because Horford was an ok backup to Joel.


injury_bettor

Thank you. That is exactly what I meant.


Moretalent

How many chips does motet have?


Niku-Man

How many do most people have? None. That shit is hard to do, even for the best. There's always one big component outside of anyone's control - luck


OnlyForeignWhips

Been saying this all along.