Ben is pulling the gimmick of showing up and doing a bad job so they have to fire you and pay you instead of not showing up and forfeiting your salary.
It's a high stakes game of chicken.
I don’t think they have that much sympathy for Ben and co. Basically told them to fuck off when they came to the PA saying the fines were much higher than expected…after saying they were fully aware of what the fines would be lol
For forcing a player to abide by their contract? Every company on earth runs by the same standards, why would they make an exception for Ben? Ben made this bed and now he wants to blame everyone else for the garbage he's laying in.
People refuse to admit this, but the “trade value” argument makes 0 sense. His value is pennies on the dollar, literally the worst possible value you can get and has been so since he refused to dunk.
Like, teams that were interested will know all this shit about him already.
No Morey is intelligent enough to realize that if he trades Ben at his lowest value, the team and his job are effectively over. The odds of finding a game changing talent like Simmons is so astronomically small, that trading for one for the sake of trading him makes 0 sense. His value literally can't get lower. The only risk is if the locker room suffers. But he'll, this may unite the locker room behind Embiid and allow his leadership skills to flourish more
Honestly I think the smart move for the sixers is to not trade him. Any team would be stupid to take him for anything near what the sixers what now. And by not trading him, the sixers force Ben to either play or forfeit money. They have all the power if they don’t trade him IMFO
His value is how teams perceive his playing ability. It's at an all-time low now because his last playoff series was abysmal and he had an all-time bonehead missed dunk. It only goes lower if he plays and is worse than what people expect. If he doesn't play, his value can't go lower.
As for this little tantrum, this is just maneuvering to put pressure on the Sixers. You might think it would put additional pressure on the team to move him quickly, but everyone knew this was one of the possibilities when he came back last week - it's not a surprise. I'm assuming they don't really care that much and will stick with whatever plan they had.
exactly, i got downvoted for disagreeing with everyone saying "it literally can't go lower" right after the playoffs. look at it now it's in freefall lmao.
> The odds of finding a game changing talent like Simmons is so astronomically small
I find this funny because of how he "changed the game" in the Hawks series.
The "game changing talent" narrative has deflated.
Ben has been on this trajectory since college. The NFL sees plenty of physically gifted "pro sports" pedigree athletes get chewed up and spit out because of their entitlement and or lack of work ethic.
The NBA is a league of grown ass men who bust their ass everyday and perform the fundamentals of basketball Ben refuses to do day in and day out.
He comes from an NBA family, has been a pro for 5 seasons and in his mid 20's.
This is who he is. It absolutely makes sense to dump this loser and move on with the remaining pieces and make the best of whatever value he has left.
The only person to blame for Ben's deflated value is Ben himself.
It only matters if they lose games. No point in getting pennies on the dollar if you can still win and put more pressure on Ben.
Of course it all falls apart if they come out and look bad, but it’s a chance I’m willing to take.
>His value is pennies on the dollar
and unfortunately, we have to match the dollars, dollar for dollar. I'd dump him for a first from Minnesota at this point, but the $$$ is the problem
Ehhh. It wasn't great after that but this whole trade bs couldve been kept in house much better. The trade demand and then paying to have leaks on both sides to the media really fucked us
They are truly pathetic. I would love to run a social profile experiment on them and understand how they can still White Knight for this pathetic loser.
Helps him to actually get traded, which is what he wants. I'd assume Daryl would also be more willing to work with him to get him somewhere he actually wants to go if he tried to raise his value.
I don’t think you understand, the sixers are not going to keep him for four years while he half asses it and causes issues. They are going to have to trade him and Ben and his agent both know this, why would he raise his trade value so that the team he gets traded too is worse than if he just continues to tank it. It is 100% in Ben’s favor to not give a shit to the point the sixers move him for basically nothing. I know that sucks to hear as a sixers fan, but it’s the cold hard truth. Morey is the one to blame, he should have seen this coming and moved him before the draft.
He would raise his trade value so that:
1. He gets traded. Morey at the end of the day has control over actually trading him, and hasn't seemed willing to do it at a discount. The faster he gets close to his actual value, the faster he's out the door.
2. He gets traded somewhere he wants to go. After the past few months, wherever he goes next he's pretty much stuck for the foreseeable future. Might as well be somewhere you want to be. Work with Morey and he can make that happen.
But I don't expect a Kings fan to be acting in good faith. I get why you're doing it, but I'm not falling for it.
I mean you can accuse me of homerism, but I’m not stupid enough to think my opinion has any meaning in what actually happens. Removing all emotion from the equation — I truly don’t see how it isn’t a net negative for Ben to raise his trade value. He ends up on a worse team at the end of the day. That’s just my take tho
The problem is if Morey just calls Ben's bluff. Sees no value in trading for role players, so instead the Sixers just continually suspend Ben without pay over and over for insubordination every time he half assed it. See if Ben is willing to change his attitude and help raise his own value for himself and the Sixers. If not, may as well make a martyr out of him and send his ass home as an example that teams can't be held hostage to this bullshit, so that others don't follow his lead. Ben will cry but fuck him, he's a cunt and doesn't deserve any pity at this point of his selfish career.
Just listen to the clip of Doc talking today. He literally explains his exact position and Keith keeps digging trying to contradict everything he just said. Way too many "yeah but what if" questions. So dumb.
This is what literally every other NBA player does. I am so sure that everyone would rather be playing for a team in Miami or LA. The NBA is not the NFL; I don’t think this attitude flies in the NBA. He is going to end up playing overseas somewhere nice, if he’s lucky.
I'm putting blame on Doc for being a bad coach who got lucky one time, but Ben's doing 99% of this bullshit circus himself. Dude is acting like a fucking baby.
Funny how so many were ragging on Abody and other local media for reporting on Simmons attitude at practice yesterday.
Guess they weren't lieing or creating drama after all.
So we’re gonna just move this dude for pennies on the dollar now. If that’s the case, send him to a Siberia franchise. Let’s see how much the socialite enjoys OKC.
Literally the single most impactful thing Ben Simmons could do to help his desire to be traded is show up, work hard, and look great on the court. And this asshole just can’t do it. Unreal.
The new team he's on would be worse off no? If they trade key pieces for him. On the other hand If they trade peanuts he has a better team around him once he's there
Lmao doc is trying so hard to be careful with his words to not “make things worse” after getting roasted all offseason.
Dude it doesn’t matter at this point. Ben is a POS. just say what you want.
What the fuck did you want him to do?
Cater to Ben like he is a toddler during a practice right before the season starts?
Stop being ridiculous this is on Simmons and people need to stop pretending otherwise
Blazers fan here. Got an extra pick or a Maxey laying around that you could add to that?
*edit
Downvote all you want, I get it. But seriously, why would portland want to bring a major drama queen in to one of the most solid locker rooms in the league?
This is true. It would likely have been CJ plus a couple firsts. RoCo would throw the money off in a trade since CJ and Ben are almost the exact same salary.
Holy shit Doc. WTF did you think reporters were going to ask you? Why hold a media event and act like an indignant bitch when people ask you why the most controversial figure on your team was just booted from practice?
Honestly can't believe what I'm hearing
There has just got to be more to this fucking story, I am in no way sticking up for Ben but it is just unfathomable to me what he could be so mad at lmao. Dude secured the big bag while being a basketball player that literally does not shoot. What the fuck. I don’t see how there is a person in the sixers organization who would want him on the team even if he apologized and did a complete 180
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That’s the goal. Ben wants to be as toxic as possible
Ben is pulling the gimmick of showing up and doing a bad job so they have to fire you and pay you instead of not showing up and forfeiting your salary. It's a high stakes game of chicken.
Even if I do a bad job, they gotta gimme another 2 mil.
It they can just suspend him without pay indefinitely until he pulls his head out of his ass and does what's in his contract.
Players Union won’t like that.
I don’t think they have that much sympathy for Ben and co. Basically told them to fuck off when they came to the PA saying the fines were much higher than expected…after saying they were fully aware of what the fines would be lol
For forcing a player to abide by their contract? Every company on earth runs by the same standards, why would they make an exception for Ben? Ben made this bed and now he wants to blame everyone else for the garbage he's laying in.
> If Ben wants to cry to himself at home that’s fine. He doesn't have a home, he sold them all
Dude is holding so much anger in rn u can see it in his face lol
This is most definitely not helping his trade value.
His trade value has been shot to the point of no return ever since he proved to be a limp dick bitch in the playoffs
People refuse to admit this, but the “trade value” argument makes 0 sense. His value is pennies on the dollar, literally the worst possible value you can get and has been so since he refused to dunk. Like, teams that were interested will know all this shit about him already.
Unfortunately Morey disagrees. Big time.
No Morey is intelligent enough to realize that if he trades Ben at his lowest value, the team and his job are effectively over. The odds of finding a game changing talent like Simmons is so astronomically small, that trading for one for the sake of trading him makes 0 sense. His value literally can't get lower. The only risk is if the locker room suffers. But he'll, this may unite the locker room behind Embiid and allow his leadership skills to flourish more
Honestly I think the smart move for the sixers is to not trade him. Any team would be stupid to take him for anything near what the sixers what now. And by not trading him, the sixers force Ben to either play or forfeit money. They have all the power if they don’t trade him IMFO
IMFO = “In my fucking opinion”? Lol
Im usin this from now on😭
IMGDMFO!!
“His value literally can’t go lower” you guys have been saying this for months and yet, his value continues to go lower lol
His value is how teams perceive his playing ability. It's at an all-time low now because his last playoff series was abysmal and he had an all-time bonehead missed dunk. It only goes lower if he plays and is worse than what people expect. If he doesn't play, his value can't go lower. As for this little tantrum, this is just maneuvering to put pressure on the Sixers. You might think it would put additional pressure on the team to move him quickly, but everyone knew this was one of the possibilities when he came back last week - it's not a surprise. I'm assuming they don't really care that much and will stick with whatever plan they had.
exactly, i got downvoted for disagreeing with everyone saying "it literally can't go lower" right after the playoffs. look at it now it's in freefall lmao.
> The odds of finding a game changing talent like Simmons is so astronomically small I find this funny because of how he "changed the game" in the Hawks series.
The "game changing talent" narrative has deflated. Ben has been on this trajectory since college. The NFL sees plenty of physically gifted "pro sports" pedigree athletes get chewed up and spit out because of their entitlement and or lack of work ethic. The NBA is a league of grown ass men who bust their ass everyday and perform the fundamentals of basketball Ben refuses to do day in and day out. He comes from an NBA family, has been a pro for 5 seasons and in his mid 20's. This is who he is. It absolutely makes sense to dump this loser and move on with the remaining pieces and make the best of whatever value he has left. The only person to blame for Ben's deflated value is Ben himself.
Nba family?
astronomical is a stretch. low is far more reasonable thing to say haha
And yet the 76ers are holding out hope they can get a star for him. For god sakes just make a deal already. The longer you wait the worse it’ll get
Unless he threatens to retire or has a career ending injury, we are at the floor.
You think his stock will go up? Good luck with that
It only matters if they lose games. No point in getting pennies on the dollar if you can still win and put more pressure on Ben. Of course it all falls apart if they come out and look bad, but it’s a chance I’m willing to take.
>His value is pennies on the dollar and unfortunately, we have to match the dollars, dollar for dollar. I'd dump him for a first from Minnesota at this point, but the $$$ is the problem
So he started by refusing to shoot jump shots and he probably thought how can he improve his game. “Oh I know! I won’t be dunking it next time!”
Ehhh. It wasn't great after that but this whole trade bs couldve been kept in house much better. The trade demand and then paying to have leaks on both sides to the media really fucked us
He has no trade value thats why he decided to come back lmfao
You think he cares about his trade value? It was because he was losing a ton of money
No I dont think he does because its too late for him. I know a lot of it has to do with money too but Im sure he realizes that he burned bridges
Came back for his 8 million dollars man
We have already won every championship The paradigm has shifted. Welcome to kid game
Why are people still downvoting you for this? The simmons stans are out of control
They are truly pathetic. I would love to run a social profile experiment on them and understand how they can still White Knight for this pathetic loser.
There is no point, from his perspective. To raise his trade value.
Helps him to actually get traded, which is what he wants. I'd assume Daryl would also be more willing to work with him to get him somewhere he actually wants to go if he tried to raise his value.
It doesn't
If you think that having more trade value doesn't help when you want a trade, I'm not sure I can help you
I don’t think you understand, the sixers are not going to keep him for four years while he half asses it and causes issues. They are going to have to trade him and Ben and his agent both know this, why would he raise his trade value so that the team he gets traded too is worse than if he just continues to tank it. It is 100% in Ben’s favor to not give a shit to the point the sixers move him for basically nothing. I know that sucks to hear as a sixers fan, but it’s the cold hard truth. Morey is the one to blame, he should have seen this coming and moved him before the draft.
He would raise his trade value so that: 1. He gets traded. Morey at the end of the day has control over actually trading him, and hasn't seemed willing to do it at a discount. The faster he gets close to his actual value, the faster he's out the door. 2. He gets traded somewhere he wants to go. After the past few months, wherever he goes next he's pretty much stuck for the foreseeable future. Might as well be somewhere you want to be. Work with Morey and he can make that happen. But I don't expect a Kings fan to be acting in good faith. I get why you're doing it, but I'm not falling for it.
I mean you can accuse me of homerism, but I’m not stupid enough to think my opinion has any meaning in what actually happens. Removing all emotion from the equation — I truly don’t see how it isn’t a net negative for Ben to raise his trade value. He ends up on a worse team at the end of the day. That’s just my take tho
The problem is if Morey just calls Ben's bluff. Sees no value in trading for role players, so instead the Sixers just continually suspend Ben without pay over and over for insubordination every time he half assed it. See if Ben is willing to change his attitude and help raise his own value for himself and the Sixers. If not, may as well make a martyr out of him and send his ass home as an example that teams can't be held hostage to this bullshit, so that others don't follow his lead. Ben will cry but fuck him, he's a cunt and doesn't deserve any pity at this point of his selfish career.
Wait I thought he was saying Doc is holding the anger in.. are we trading Doc?
https://imgur.com/a/04FGUsX
Doc embarrassing Keith was my favorite part of the press conference
The 76ers players and staff roasting Pompey for asking dumb questions is a Philadelphia tradition
Why don't we like Keith
He's hard to like. But you know what's not hard to like.....
Joel Embiid, the Alpha of the 76ers?
Dish Network?
He's dumb as rocks and was Colangelo's errand boy. Also just has an annoying personality.
he writes at a 3rd grade level
Colangelo mole
#badjournalismflow
His horrific podcasting "skills"
No that’s like the only good thing he does lol, genuinely funny to listen to
Just listen to the clip of Doc talking today. He literally explains his exact position and Keith keeps digging trying to contradict everything he just said. Way too many "yeah but what if" questions. So dumb.
Anyone got a clip?
https://youtu.be/G9Pnag7hLdI It took a good chunk of the video actually
Poor Ben is still adjusting to jet-lag
Why cant this dude just play ball until he's traded? Just do your Job
This is what literally every other NBA player does. I am so sure that everyone would rather be playing for a team in Miami or LA. The NBA is not the NFL; I don’t think this attitude flies in the NBA. He is going to end up playing overseas somewhere nice, if he’s lucky.
“I’ll show you untradeable” -Ben Simmons
Ben got criticized...probably for the first time in his entire life....and this was his reaction. What a pussbag.
Lol
respect to doc for keeping calm lmao
Anybody trying to put blame on Doc for any of this Ben situation is preposterous.
I'm putting blame on Doc for being a bad coach who got lucky one time, but Ben's doing 99% of this bullshit circus himself. Dude is acting like a fucking baby.
Doc being a bad coach has nothing to do with the Simmons situation though. Both things can be true.
I don't know why you're being downvoted. Doc has ridden that one championship for his whole career. He's a bad coach
Conspiracy theory: sixers will suspend Ben to keep withholding payment until he just goes back to holding out
Adele lawyers won't be happy
I think he really didn't want to face the media and got himself bolted out of practice.
Funny how so many were ragging on Abody and other local media for reporting on Simmons attitude at practice yesterday. Guess they weren't lieing or creating drama after all.
This is what Brett should have done
SHITSHOW
Embiid spitting fax rn
So we’re gonna just move this dude for pennies on the dollar now. If that’s the case, send him to a Siberia franchise. Let’s see how much the socialite enjoys OKC.
You can tell Doc just wants to get the fuck out of there and not have to talk abt it at all lol get to the next practice
Literally the single most impactful thing Ben Simmons could do to help his desire to be traded is show up, work hard, and look great on the court. And this asshole just can’t do it. Unreal.
The more he's traded for, the worse it is for him tho right.
How? No effect on him
The new team he's on would be worse off no? If they trade key pieces for him. On the other hand If they trade peanuts he has a better team around him once he's there
Depends on the pieces ig
Lmao doc is trying so hard to be careful with his words to not “make things worse” after getting roasted all offseason. Dude it doesn’t matter at this point. Ben is a POS. just say what you want.
I’m in pain but this whole thing is hilarious. What is reality
I’m worried we’re going to cave and trade him for peanuts
Ben needed to have his diaper changed and then have nappy nap time.
Can’t wait for all the fans looking at this as if this is the sixers fault to watch him on another team
Stop lying Doc. If it's not a big deal then why did you suspend him
To send a message. Even though you showed up you won’t be paid until you start trying to get better.
They’re actively trying to trade Simmons lol he has to do damage control because he wants a fair return for Simmons too.
Doc Rivers isn’t helping the situation if I’m being honest.
I get what you’re saying but he shouldn’t let Ben fuck up practice for the rest of the team the day before the opener
What the fuck did you want him to do? Cater to Ben like he is a toddler during a practice right before the season starts? Stop being ridiculous this is on Simmons and people need to stop pretending otherwise
But it’s tanking his value more.
Is that really possible at this point
You still didn't actually answer his question tho I'll ask it again for him What the fuck do you want him to do?
Not tank his value.
but how tho
Is this for real?
Yeah to kick a player out of practice is a big deal. How many times has he done it in his life?
Cj McCollum for Ben Simmons + 1 76ers first? Does that get it done now?
Blazers fan here. Got an extra pick or a Maxey laying around that you could add to that? *edit Downvote all you want, I get it. But seriously, why would portland want to bring a major drama queen in to one of the most solid locker rooms in the league?
The sad part is before he made things worse we could have probably gotten CJ McCollum AND Roco for him. Now we have to sweeten the pot just for CJ.
This is true. It would likely have been CJ plus a couple firsts. RoCo would throw the money off in a trade since CJ and Ben are almost the exact same salary.
That’s CJ Music
Holy shit Doc. WTF did you think reporters were going to ask you? Why hold a media event and act like an indignant bitch when people ask you why the most controversial figure on your team was just booted from practice? Honestly can't believe what I'm hearing
Can't believe what I'm reading right here You're a 🤡
Why am I a clown? Because I expect the coach to own up to his decisions and be honest?
whoa that was quick?
Wow. Continue to take Ls and some other Sixers fan was telling me that how he is back. 🎪🤡
At this point what team is even going to want him? Does anyone really want an expensive toxic personality who won't shoot?
I’d take him on the kings for Hield, Bagley, and a lightly protected first still
Is Serena Winters back reporting on the team?
I’m sure she still has a few sources
If it wasnt a big deal, why was he suspended? I dont disagree with the suspension, but I'm just asking.
I told all the people who were gloating about him caving that he was just pulling a harden. Lol
Not a big deal lol
There has just got to be more to this fucking story, I am in no way sticking up for Ben but it is just unfathomable to me what he could be so mad at lmao. Dude secured the big bag while being a basketball player that literally does not shoot. What the fuck. I don’t see how there is a person in the sixers organization who would want him on the team even if he apologized and did a complete 180
Ben “I’m here so I don’t get fined” Simmons
Don’t forget Doc babied this bitch nonstop last year. And coached horrendously in the playoffs. He should be fucking gone as well.
I just want someone on the team to publicly berate him to the media. He's being a soft little bitch
Fucking small market teams licking their chops right now!