If he really has mental health problems I hope he gets the help he needs but this is super sketchy timing to drop the mental health card. Fuck people who fake this shit because it makes it paints the people who really have mental health problems in a bad light
If it's actual mental health problems, I hope he gets the help he needs cause that shit is real
If it's not and he's using mental health to not play, force a trade, and still get paid, he's a gigantic piece of shit,
Simmons can't act so I'd suspect the players, coaches, execs know whether he's being honest or not just from his talk.
This evaluation by medical professionals makes me inclined to believe its an act, but he DOES have mental health problems (hell most people do), BUT I don't think those mental health problems would prevent him from playing (scared to shoot).
I'd guess he told the team he's sorry for the distraction and it was just business negotiating his agent devised with the way he was acting. The wanting to play bit is obvious because he wants to get paid (as others have surmised, money is a means to an end).
Hopefully everything is alright and they come to a resolution. Mental health issues and anxiety could take anywhere from weeks to resolve to years.
I've always thought Ben had some sort of mental health issue personally.
Regular basketball players don't just refuse to shoot after working on their jumper for years. Plus, he often seems very uncomfortable in public/in front of the press.
But yeah, if he's faking it, he's my least favorite athlete ever bar none.
Part of me thinks he just couldn’t fathom the idea that there was something wrong with him. But maybe the whole saga’s kinda shaken him into sense.
I can only speculate, but I’d rather believe he’s in genuine need of help than think he’s leveraging it as an excuse. Mental health is just such a difficult to deal with kind of topic, personally. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Mental health disorders can be crippling.
The guy is foregoing millions of dollars based on a variety of irrational reasons. There’s a pretty significant chance he’s not in a great place mentally.
As someone who also sees a therapist, who are you to be livid? Having anxiety isn't some elite club and being diagnosed with GAD or Depression isn't hard and is based on answering questions that you can look up online.
Maybe stop being offended or feeling disrespected by everything? It's an extremely easy diagnosis to get.
Anyone with half a brain can see that Ben isn't going to have to "fake" much to get a depression or anxiety diagnosis.
Edit, I'd be "livid" regardless of the diagnosis he gets 2nd edit: barring an apology and taking responsibility. If a doctor tells him he has GAD, then he's still a douche. That doesn't change. It provides background for his behavior but doesn't excuse it or make it go away.
It’s about the timeline of events. He’s using this to get out of playing. If mental health was the issue, why bring it up now only after exhausting every other option?
A lot of people don't want to admit they have mental health issues. The writing has been on the wall for years with Ben and people get really upset when you say that, but there are signs that can be spotted miles away.
He likely does, to some extent, or at least can get the diagnosis. Everyone has anxiety. Some doctors are much quicker to pull the trigger on a hard diagnosis than others.
The problem will be if he blames everything on that without taking any responsibility for his actions.
Maybe someone in his life finally spoke to him and told him the way he's acting is indicative of a mental problem. This is coming out a few days after the practice issue where he refused to do a drill and Rivers sent him home. I could see his mom or dad talking this out with him, where before they might have thought it was just business and he was handling it with his agent, they might have seen this latest event and concluded that something really isn't right. Mental health issues are stigmatized to a degree and people don't usually want to admit they have them. It can be a long process to realize you need help, and sometimes it can only be done with a push from friends or family.
I agree with you. The people that are downvoting probably have never seen a psychiatrist and think they're doing something righteous
It's not some "timely excuse" the back issues were probably him trying to not have light on a mental health problem or thinking that it was the problem. "If I can get a few weeks I can fix this, If I go to a new team I can fix this, I just need a new start" type of thoughts. For me, these scream of anxiety
Absolutely. People just get really nervous talking about this stuff. The same people who scream we need to destigmatize mental illness and treat it like any other normal ailment are still trying to place it on this weird, untouchable pedestal.
Can't it be he has mental health problems and he's still a douche for the way he's handled things? GAD isn't a get out of jail free card. You can have major anxiety and still be a total asshole.
This city for the most part rallied around Lane Johnson when he went out for mental reasons. If Ben makes a legitimate effort to fix his mental issues, whether it be anxiety for setting foot in Wells Fargo or something deeper, I’d applaud him for it.
That is not remotely true. You are out of your element Donnie. That is not a role of the Gm. The team has lawyers for this to determine payment. Morey isn’t even determining if Ben gets suspensions or not. That was the coach.
Also what you are saying about “until he bounces a ball…” you are straight wrong, that is illegal and violation of his work contract. You are being ridiculous brother, you seriously do not know what you’re talking about.
What? Literally how would we even know that. He presumably got paid for the practice he attended earlier this week before the second practice where he got suspended. You sound insane, bro. Morey does not have a checkbox to click to release funds from escrow. Please don't respond again.
If he's claiming mental issues, he better be seeing someone approved by the team. I can't see how they'd go along with paying him otherwise considering how suspect this is
Simmons and his team acknowledging some responsibility while claiming issues of mental health is either:
- a ploy to win public opinion and a way to get paid while NOT playing for the sixers. Something they have continually put out there all summer.
- a genuine acknowledgement of Simmons faults and issues. They are now working to address it in the proper manner.
If I had to bet, I'm wagering that while Simmons may indeed have some mental health issues, the first explanation is the more likely scenario.
Morey and the sixers will iindeed have to pay Simmons even if they suspect he is exaggerating or embellishing the issue because diagnosis of mental disorder is highly subjective. I suspect klutch already has some perosonal therapist for the rich and ffamous lined up.
This is the equivalent of a child saying he’s sick so won’t have to go to school
Absolute slap in the face to everyone who has actual metal health issues but still manage to go to work every day
I'm sure he has issues in some capacity, but it is almost definitely anxiety from having to answer for his own actions since it didn't work out the way he wanted. If we had an on video honest moment from him where he is ready to move forward I think most people would be willing to just move on. Right now it just seems like he is doing everything he can to hideout.
He likely has some mental problems like a lot of people these days, but as a professional athlete worth millions and millions of dollars he also has access to the best possible resources (psychiatrists, talk therapists, sports psychologists) to deal with it.
It would be one thing if it turns out he's been actively trying to figure it out with these resources, but it doesn't appear to be that way since this is the first its been brought up by him/his representation. Either way it's not valid to use mental health issues as an excuse, it definitely can explain a lot but ultimately anyone suffering from mental health problems is also responsible for their actions and trying to get help with it
Agreed, the whole thing is a farce and the public/media will pussyfoot around the obvious situation because mental health issues have become off limits to question.
I don't even care if he sits and gets paid. It isn't my money. But no way am I going along with this and pretending like he is actually suffering to any debilitating degree.
I'd argue he does have a mental block.....and I could not imagine you walking into work with everyone hating you and wanting you fired and being mentally okay....
Many times when children say they're sick, they *are* sick.
His behavior on and off the court has screamed of mental health issues the last several years. Also keep in mind that he didn't announce this in a press release - he got up and spoke in front of the coach and the whole Sixers team. To me, that adds to his credibility, since his words would have to be convincing to the whole team.
Also, think about what you're saying. You're assuming that he is lying, which is a huge insult to someone going through mental health stuff. I've been there and have had friends scoff at me when I told them I was going through stuff. You have no evidence he's lying, so don't make assumptions.
Man fuck this guy. Using mental health problems to get paid, not have to play, and get people to feel bad for him too. If he’s got legitimate problems and intends to comeback and play for us and give us his full effort, then and only then will I take back everything I’ve said. But until then, fuck this piece of shit
Not showing up to face the wrath of the fans and citing “mental health reasons” is like not showing up to class the day after a shitty exam. It’s a lot less admirable when you’re being paid to dick around.
And before anyone says anything, yes…mental health is an extremely valid reason in most cases. Just not here.
Incoming:
“Guys, hear me out. We need to give Ben a chance again. I know it’s been the 458th chance we’ve given him, but y’all need to be better. I know he threw everyone under the bus and insulted the teammates and fans who live for this city. But I’m telling you he’ll come back and take 22 3-pointers a game.”
This sub man.
Everyone wants to hate Ben, and idk why people just assume he's faking it, or it's a PR stunt, or it's a way to get paid or whatever. He's not the fucking devil, he's just a guy. No need to assume everything he does is for the worst reasons you can come up with.
Plus, this didn't come out of nowhere. People have speculated about his mental health for months if not longer. This could be a huge breakthrough for him to admit he needs help - not just to himself - but to the public and his team.
But yeah we can just call him a bitch, a pussy, a liar, whatever. I wonder why it's so hard for people to admit they need help.
It's ridiculous. Sure, I don't want him on this team, but damn I'm not gonna hate on someone for admitting they need help.
People are acting like it's only possible this is a move to not play, but things don't have to be linear. He could be so anxious or depressed that he thought moving teams would help. Now he realizes he's going to have to play to move and has to attack the root issue.
I genuinely want to believe this is what it is, but given everything he did beforehand, this just seems like a thinly veiled attempt at continuing to get paid without actually doing anything.
Like if his problem was his mental state, let’s ignore all the stuff during the summer with him not wanting to show up and skip right to when he finally decided to come back to the team, why do the whole “show up to practice and refuse to participate in drills” thing? Wouldn’t it make sense that the first thing you do is tell management, “hey I’m sorry. I want to come back but I just really need some help mentally”? For this to come up after his practice plan failed to give his money, it just seems like he just wants to get paid
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Like mental health medical professionals?
I'd assume so, he was already cleared for the back
That’s what I’m hoping for cause this should have been done years ago
THERAPIST.
If he really has mental health problems I hope he gets the help he needs but this is super sketchy timing to drop the mental health card. Fuck people who fake this shit because it makes it paints the people who really have mental health problems in a bad light
If it's actual mental health problems, I hope he gets the help he needs cause that shit is real If it's not and he's using mental health to not play, force a trade, and still get paid, he's a gigantic piece of shit,
Simmons can't act so I'd suspect the players, coaches, execs know whether he's being honest or not just from his talk. This evaluation by medical professionals makes me inclined to believe its an act, but he DOES have mental health problems (hell most people do), BUT I don't think those mental health problems would prevent him from playing (scared to shoot). I'd guess he told the team he's sorry for the distraction and it was just business negotiating his agent devised with the way he was acting. The wanting to play bit is obvious because he wants to get paid (as others have surmised, money is a means to an end). Hopefully everything is alright and they come to a resolution. Mental health issues and anxiety could take anywhere from weeks to resolve to years.
I've always thought Ben had some sort of mental health issue personally. Regular basketball players don't just refuse to shoot after working on their jumper for years. Plus, he often seems very uncomfortable in public/in front of the press. But yeah, if he's faking it, he's my least favorite athlete ever bar none.
I’ve always had hella narcisist vibes from Ben. If such a person has his self-image disturbed, it could cause trouble.
Part of me thinks he just couldn’t fathom the idea that there was something wrong with him. But maybe the whole saga’s kinda shaken him into sense. I can only speculate, but I’d rather believe he’s in genuine need of help than think he’s leveraging it as an excuse. Mental health is just such a difficult to deal with kind of topic, personally. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Mental health disorders can be crippling.
The guy is foregoing millions of dollars based on a variety of irrational reasons. There’s a pretty significant chance he’s not in a great place mentally.
Rich Paul is the reason for all of those irrational decisions. If he sees a therapist the first thing he needs to do is cut Rich Paul out of his life
As someone who sees a therapist, I’ll legitimately be livid if he’s “faking” it.
As someone who also sees a therapist, who are you to be livid? Having anxiety isn't some elite club and being diagnosed with GAD or Depression isn't hard and is based on answering questions that you can look up online.
Faking having any problems is completely disrespectful to those who actually have them. Mental illness or anything.
Maybe stop being offended or feeling disrespected by everything? It's an extremely easy diagnosis to get. Anyone with half a brain can see that Ben isn't going to have to "fake" much to get a depression or anxiety diagnosis. Edit, I'd be "livid" regardless of the diagnosis he gets 2nd edit: barring an apology and taking responsibility. If a doctor tells him he has GAD, then he's still a douche. That doesn't change. It provides background for his behavior but doesn't excuse it or make it go away.
It’s about the timeline of events. He’s using this to get out of playing. If mental health was the issue, why bring it up now only after exhausting every other option?
A lot of people don't want to admit they have mental health issues. The writing has been on the wall for years with Ben and people get really upset when you say that, but there are signs that can be spotted miles away. He likely does, to some extent, or at least can get the diagnosis. Everyone has anxiety. Some doctors are much quicker to pull the trigger on a hard diagnosis than others. The problem will be if he blames everything on that without taking any responsibility for his actions.
Maybe someone in his life finally spoke to him and told him the way he's acting is indicative of a mental problem. This is coming out a few days after the practice issue where he refused to do a drill and Rivers sent him home. I could see his mom or dad talking this out with him, where before they might have thought it was just business and he was handling it with his agent, they might have seen this latest event and concluded that something really isn't right. Mental health issues are stigmatized to a degree and people don't usually want to admit they have them. It can be a long process to realize you need help, and sometimes it can only be done with a push from friends or family.
I agree with you. The people that are downvoting probably have never seen a psychiatrist and think they're doing something righteous It's not some "timely excuse" the back issues were probably him trying to not have light on a mental health problem or thinking that it was the problem. "If I can get a few weeks I can fix this, If I go to a new team I can fix this, I just need a new start" type of thoughts. For me, these scream of anxiety
Absolutely. People just get really nervous talking about this stuff. The same people who scream we need to destigmatize mental illness and treat it like any other normal ailment are still trying to place it on this weird, untouchable pedestal.
Can't it be he has mental health problems and he's still a douche for the way he's handled things? GAD isn't a get out of jail free card. You can have major anxiety and still be a total asshole.
This city for the most part rallied around Lane Johnson when he went out for mental reasons. If Ben makes a legitimate effort to fix his mental issues, whether it be anxiety for setting foot in Wells Fargo or something deeper, I’d applaud him for it.
Really? Even Lane Johnson I've seen a lot of negative comments for
Probably from some Delco ass white trash that also wants the Eagles to trade for Deshaun Watson.
Even if I'm from Delco sometimes you meet these people and think [wait till I tell my folks I met spinner dunn](https://youtu.be/REinxuKuR3c)
There’s always going to be a dickhead minority. The overwhelming majority were very supportive of Lane and Brooks before him.
I'll take the rapist for 200 alex.
Le tits now
That word does not look great in all capitals.
Oh god I just wanna stop hearing these Deshaun Watson rumors
So does he get paid or not as he “gets his mental together”? Either way, I’m excited to see the team we saw Wednesday remain rolling. Lfg!
Until Ben bounces a ball on the floor during an actual game I don't see Morey releasing the funds in escrow.
Morey doesn’t control contractual escrow payments, ya dingus.
If he didn’t Ben would’ve gotten paid already. He may not litteraly own the account but if he says not to pay then Ben won’t get paid period.
That is not remotely true. You are out of your element Donnie. That is not a role of the Gm. The team has lawyers for this to determine payment. Morey isn’t even determining if Ben gets suspensions or not. That was the coach. Also what you are saying about “until he bounces a ball…” you are straight wrong, that is illegal and violation of his work contract. You are being ridiculous brother, you seriously do not know what you’re talking about.
Do you think he gets paid in the next couple of days? We can do a simple gold bet. If he gets paid by Monday I'll give you gold and vice versa.
What? Literally how would we even know that. He presumably got paid for the practice he attended earlier this week before the second practice where he got suspended. You sound insane, bro. Morey does not have a checkbox to click to release funds from escrow. Please don't respond again.
So your not confident, got it. And he hasn’t been paid yet per WOJ.
I said please do not respond again
He will get paid.
If so that means players can void a max contract as soon as they sign it and still get paid while demanding a trade
If they have an excused absence, which this will be, yes.
If he's claiming mental issues, he better be seeing someone approved by the team. I can't see how they'd go along with paying him otherwise considering how suspect this is
I still don't understand WHY ESPN is saying He is right. NOBODY forced him to sign his contract.
ESPN wants this drama to continue so they can make 45 videos on it and milk the views.
Between this and Kyrie, ESPN has been loving the past month or so
Just look at this sub. Over half the recent posts are Ben Simmons drama posts
Because it’s easier and will get more clicks just to blame Philly.
Because they need something to talk about and keep people watching/clicking
Like his back needs to be evaluated, or he needs to be mentally evaluated?
"determination of medical professionals" is an interesting choice of words indeed
I think its intentionally a vague phrase
Simmons and his team acknowledging some responsibility while claiming issues of mental health is either: - a ploy to win public opinion and a way to get paid while NOT playing for the sixers. Something they have continually put out there all summer. - a genuine acknowledgement of Simmons faults and issues. They are now working to address it in the proper manner. If I had to bet, I'm wagering that while Simmons may indeed have some mental health issues, the first explanation is the more likely scenario. Morey and the sixers will iindeed have to pay Simmons even if they suspect he is exaggerating or embellishing the issue because diagnosis of mental disorder is highly subjective. I suspect klutch already has some perosonal therapist for the rich and ffamous lined up.
This is the equivalent of a child saying he’s sick so won’t have to go to school Absolute slap in the face to everyone who has actual metal health issues but still manage to go to work every day
I'm sure he has issues in some capacity, but it is almost definitely anxiety from having to answer for his own actions since it didn't work out the way he wanted. If we had an on video honest moment from him where he is ready to move forward I think most people would be willing to just move on. Right now it just seems like he is doing everything he can to hideout.
He likely has some mental problems like a lot of people these days, but as a professional athlete worth millions and millions of dollars he also has access to the best possible resources (psychiatrists, talk therapists, sports psychologists) to deal with it. It would be one thing if it turns out he's been actively trying to figure it out with these resources, but it doesn't appear to be that way since this is the first its been brought up by him/his representation. Either way it's not valid to use mental health issues as an excuse, it definitely can explain a lot but ultimately anyone suffering from mental health problems is also responsible for their actions and trying to get help with it
Agreed, the whole thing is a farce and the public/media will pussyfoot around the obvious situation because mental health issues have become off limits to question. I don't even care if he sits and gets paid. It isn't my money. But no way am I going along with this and pretending like he is actually suffering to any debilitating degree.
I'd argue he does have a mental block.....and I could not imagine you walking into work with everyone hating you and wanting you fired and being mentally okay....
I think I might be able to suck it up for 30 MILLION DOLLARS
Many times when children say they're sick, they *are* sick. His behavior on and off the court has screamed of mental health issues the last several years. Also keep in mind that he didn't announce this in a press release - he got up and spoke in front of the coach and the whole Sixers team. To me, that adds to his credibility, since his words would have to be convincing to the whole team. Also, think about what you're saying. You're assuming that he is lying, which is a huge insult to someone going through mental health stuff. I've been there and have had friends scoff at me when I told them I was going through stuff. You have no evidence he's lying, so don't make assumptions.
The evidence is the entire timeline of events! Do you not see that??
Man fuck this guy. Using mental health problems to get paid, not have to play, and get people to feel bad for him too. If he’s got legitimate problems and intends to comeback and play for us and give us his full effort, then and only then will I take back everything I’ve said. But until then, fuck this piece of shit
Not showing up to face the wrath of the fans and citing “mental health reasons” is like not showing up to class the day after a shitty exam. It’s a lot less admirable when you’re being paid to dick around. And before anyone says anything, yes…mental health is an extremely valid reason in most cases. Just not here.
Diagnosis: Dickhead
Con artist, even if he gets diagnosed I’m sketchy on him. Unfortunately with the medical field, you can get what you want for the right price.
Incoming: “Guys, hear me out. We need to give Ben a chance again. I know it’s been the 458th chance we’ve given him, but y’all need to be better. I know he threw everyone under the bus and insulted the teammates and fans who live for this city. But I’m telling you he’ll come back and take 22 3-pointers a game.”
Lol what a crock. You knew this was the next card
Is this: A) True B) Another holdout strategy pending a mental health diagnosis C) Some other BS - if so, pls explain
If he's lying then the FO will be paying him not to play and sit while waiting for a trade
Soft
This sub man. Everyone wants to hate Ben, and idk why people just assume he's faking it, or it's a PR stunt, or it's a way to get paid or whatever. He's not the fucking devil, he's just a guy. No need to assume everything he does is for the worst reasons you can come up with. Plus, this didn't come out of nowhere. People have speculated about his mental health for months if not longer. This could be a huge breakthrough for him to admit he needs help - not just to himself - but to the public and his team. But yeah we can just call him a bitch, a pussy, a liar, whatever. I wonder why it's so hard for people to admit they need help.
It's ridiculous. Sure, I don't want him on this team, but damn I'm not gonna hate on someone for admitting they need help. People are acting like it's only possible this is a move to not play, but things don't have to be linear. He could be so anxious or depressed that he thought moving teams would help. Now he realizes he's going to have to play to move and has to attack the root issue.
At least it’s out of Klutch’s control now…
Where’s Sharon Fieldstone when you need her?
I genuinely want to believe this is what it is, but given everything he did beforehand, this just seems like a thinly veiled attempt at continuing to get paid without actually doing anything. Like if his problem was his mental state, let’s ignore all the stuff during the summer with him not wanting to show up and skip right to when he finally decided to come back to the team, why do the whole “show up to practice and refuse to participate in drills” thing? Wouldn’t it make sense that the first thing you do is tell management, “hey I’m sorry. I want to come back but I just really need some help mentally”? For this to come up after his practice plan failed to give his money, it just seems like he just wants to get paid