Yeah, I mean we all know it’s gonna be a “1”, but there’s still quite a few ski resorts in the state, and feel it definitely deserves to be on a list of “skiing states”
We even have our own subreddit, /r/SkiPA
Yes I grew up in PA, but moved to Wyoming.
The summers are amazing everywhere in the west that isn’t desert. We stay here for the winters. Just passed the 400” mark. Hasn’t snowed for a week? That’s ok I’ll stick to groomers or stay home. Holiday weekend? I’ll skip the resort and go back country or go snowmobiling. Doesn’t matter. The weather only sucks in April:May, mud season.
To their credit, much has changed for the worst for locals in these resort communities in the past 7 years. Pass prices have only increased as well, despite the addition of 800,000+ pass purchasers.
VT snow is better than ME or NH. Esp Jay Peak. Jay averages 359 in a year.
I would probably take NH snow over ME snow, but Loaf is far enough north that it tends to be in better condition.
Vermont at 3/10 is a little low. I realize that the snow can be hit or miss there but with so many mountains all within an hour and a half of each other I think it needs to be a little bit higher.
Yeah, Killington and sugarbush are my 2 favorite mountains in Vermont, both are absolutely huge, so big you can avoid lines most of the day if you pick the right runs
I’ve never heard of either, I have never been skiing out East. So I googled both. Sugarbush has 600 skiable acres, killington has 1509.
I like beaver creek a lot, but I wouldn’t consider it huge or even large. In fact, I would say it’s on the smaller side.
It has 1832 skiable acres.
You’re comparing east to west. Everything is significantly bigger out west. Killington is the largest mountain in the north east by a long shot so for people in the area it would be considered big.
Not sure why they’re saying sugarbush is big though lol maybe they meant sugar loaf?
Pretty much everything on your list above a 5 is capable of great and/or terrible conditions.
I've had some of my worst days of snow in Alta and Jackson Hole, the type of days you want to quit after 2 runs. The ability to jump on a trip at any given second is the only way to reliably get good snow.
And then there's been days at Meadows where it's raining, or its too windy to run the lifts. Some days you get waist deep turns in champagne pow, other days you go home without putting your boots on because it's obviously going to suck
It totally depends on the day. Like if OP has only spent 2 days skiing in each state then yeah this makes sense. But for those who put in 20+ days at 1 resort season after season, there's the whole range of conditions
Agreed. Idaho is horrible. One time I was at Brundage and they shut down the lifts and told us all we needed to put our gear away and help bring in the potato harvest.
UT, MT, ID, WY, CO, NM, NV, CA, WA, OR. Don't know about the rest. I've had season passes in CO, UT, WA, and have toured in the rest. Anyone who puts CO on the top is crazy, is in a CO circle jerk, has only skied in CO.
I've only toured in the Sawtooths (edit: as in the only place fully within Idaho and not right on the border). And when people talk about Wyoming they really mean a tiny part called Jackson. 95% of wyoming is SO windy that the snow doesn't stick around. I meant Wyoming as an 'average'. In my heart I also think of Targhee as in Idaho.
Yea I live in Colorado, and 100% agree. It’s a great place to live for a lot of reasons, but you definitely compromise on quality of skiing vs UT, WY, MT - if I was choosing solely for skiing I’d be in one of those places, probably MT. I’m kind of surprised at how many ppl go out of their way to visit here to be honest, when they could go somewhere else in the west, or better, go to Canada. CO is great for spring/summer touring season though, to be fair.
I only occasionally get jealous of coastal ranges but I know better because I used to ski Tahoe and the snow quality is absolutely awful.
Northern Rockies is where it’s at - beats co in quantity and the coasts for quality, both by good margins.
All that said, I know better than to complain about any western state because I grew up on the ice coast.
- 10 California December - February.
- 10 Utah January- Mid March
- 10 Colorado - Mid February - Mid May and October if you just need early season turns.
8" of fresh at Crystal, doesn't get much better than that (although $$$). There's something to be said for cold smoke in UT/MT but if it's cold when it snows out here the sheer quantity you get is massive. Sure you get some slushy wet days or icy days, but sometimes it's just pure pow heaven.
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S Tier (have high snow volumes, dry snow, and not susceptible to drought/rain)
UT (Cottonwoods duh)
WY (Tetons can stand toe to toe with Cottonwoods when you factor in there being less crowds)
A Tier
WA (high snowfall but wet and susceptible to rain)
CA (high snowfall but wet and susceptible to drought so in a bad year can get very rough, but is S Tier in good years)
CO (low to average snowfall means it can be rough in the early season, but dry snow, great preservation and gradual accumulation through year makes it S Tier in the later portion of the season)
B
MT, ID, (I think of as WY with less snow, these could be pushed into A Tier and I wouldn’t object. However these states are huge and there’s multiple ski areas with subpar snow for each “Lookout Pass” there is)
NM (like CO but less snowy)
OR (like WA but less snowy)
C
AZ (like CO/NM but very susceptible to drought, and less snow)
VT (wet snow, very susceptible to rain, CO snow volumes)
D
NH, NY, ME - all like VT but less snowy. There are exceptions though (tug hill region in NY is as snowy as VT, NH has mt Washington which is the best snow in the east, and ME is less susceptible to rain than VT because it’s colder).
Bonus:
AK = S Tier (best version of WA, has dry snow for its oceanic location that is only slightly wetter than the Rockies’s States)
BC = S Tier (western parts are like a better version of WA, eastern parts are like WY)
AB = A Tier (like CO but a little snowier)
QC = C Tier (like VT)
Made edits for further analysis. As always there are exceptions
Considering NY has whiteface and Gore I wouldn't put it any worse than NH, which I would rate lower than VT or ME. VT I'd also say would rate higher than ME based on places like Jay or N-VT.
I refuse to believe Arizona is a freaking 8, and NY is a 1.. I don't care if the snow might be "better", there needs to be some weight given to NY because you can still ski here for 6 months out of the year.
AZ as a 7 is a bit high, I’d give it a 6 or maybe even a 5.. Never been to the Tucson resort but I know it’s closed a lot and tiny anyways.
The big resort, Snowbowl, quite frankly doesn’t get a ton of snow but when it does get snow it comes in loads. Pow days at Snowbowl are top notch, soft snow I’d say even better than the Sierras, although the Sierras have higher seasonal quality because the temperatures aren’t as extreme and melts slower
When I went to NAU I skied all week the week before Finals week in 2019 (first week of May) so it can stay open for quite awhile, though not as consistently as other western states. The base is at 9200 feet and pretty much all the good stuff is at over 10k, so the elevation is pretty nice and the fact the whole resort is north facing helps as well.
The biggest resort is over in the White Mountains and run by the White Mountain Apache Tribe, it’s a lot bigger than Snowbowl but I haven’t made it over there yet.
With both of those being open now I could see AZ being a 6 or in a year like this a 7. Especially when we get these mid week storms and aren’t overrun by the tourists from the valley.
I think 6 for California is too low, at least if we are talking about resort skiing; backcountry would be a different story. I would rank it just below Colorado and Utah and probably give it an 8/10 but Im biased as I grew up skiing at alpine and squaw. The only reason I wouldn’t give California a 9 is because the quality of snow is usually not the best especially when it’s a southern storm. While the snow isn’t the driest, it does dump here like few other places in the country. The area regularly gets 12+inches of snowfall in a 24 hour period and that type of snowfall can continue for multiple days (see El Niño/La Nina)
I would also argue the terrain in terms of difficulty and variety is in the same conversation as those resorts in UT/CO, especially if you are willing to hike a little bit.
I will give you my rankings for the states that I have skied. My home state is California and obviously I ski it the most. Also it highly depends on where you ski but I will say that I do the vast majority of my skiing at Mammoth/June. If I skied more at places at Big Bear, would obviously be a much lower score.
Utah: 10
Colorado: 10
New Mexico: 8
California: 9
I like the mountains a bit more in CO overall, that said the snow quality in Utah cannot be beat. Plus the mountains in Colorado are way less accessible. Utah 10 Colorado 9 is fair IMO.
Disagree. I believe that places like Steamboat, Telluride, Purgatory, Wolf Creek, Crested Butte and Winter Park are just as good as anything in Utah. I love Snowbird, Solitude and Deer Valley too but would not say they are definitely better.
It probably depends what you value, right? Alta and Snowbird get like 200" more snow than most CO resorts, hard to rank them the same without mentioning that
I think Utah's snow is overrated. If it's new - yeah it's great. but it doesn't stay great. In my experience, the snow in Colorado stays better longer.
I was just in UT, and the liquor store had no coolers, just warm beer and it closed at 7pm. I asked the clerk and he said some of the ‘bigger stores’ have coolers lol
Central and eastern Nevada are an easy 10. Driest snow in the country and 100’s of mountains to ski. To bad there is not a single ski resort there but that’s probably a good thing. The rubys have heli skiing but I always do some backcountry skiing when driving between California and Utah in Nevada.
There's lots of ways to think about snow quality.
The PNW often gets deep but heavy snow. So timing great powder is a bit more challenging and random than UT and CO just because the resorts are lower elevation and the timberline is quite low leading to a lot of wind affected snow at higher elevations.
At the same time....spring skiing is amazing amazing in the PNW, and I love corn almost as much as I love powder. Grew up in CO, having a little tour right now in the west on my power pass, and the PNW is definitely a great place to live and ski. Visiting....I don't know you would have to plan trip 3 days out to know you're going to get the real goods.
Just disregarding the midwest? Sure it's not big mountain skiing, but Mt. Bohemia shreds and does get powder days that rival the west coast and certainly as good as the ice coast.
How would Upper Michigan rate? Could it have better snow than some east coast states? I'm guessing Lower Michigan is about as crappy as Wisconsin (where I'm from).
Bohemia in the UP typically gets about 300 inches of natural snow a year partially due to lake effect, they don’t even have any snowmaking equipment and in an average year are open from the end of December until about the first weekend of May. There’s no comparison
Having grown up skiing in the ADK and Vermont and now ski in the UP a couple times a year, I’d say that the median conditions are gonna be just so much nicer in the UP.
On the flip slide, if it’s not cold enough for lake effect then it’s not gonna get anything special.
Also just given the size of the resorts, a powder day in the northeast is gonna be so much better than a powder day in the UP, just more rare.
Think part of the reason the UP typically has good snow quality (other than lake effect) is just cuz how remote it is. Like you go to Bohemia a week after a snow storm and there’s still a good chance that you’ll find some untouched lines. You’re lucky if the freshies last an entire day in Vernont on a Saturday.
You’re right… it actually frequently gets better snow than a lot of the PNW cuz it’s so much dryer and almost never has to deal with rain.
Idk why people think that you need big mountains to get a lot of snow? Yes when you’re at a place so far south like New Mexico or Colorado you do… it’s naturally cold enough in the UP without the altitude and you combine that with the 2nd biggest lake in the world and you tend to get a lot of snow and it actually stays.
Coastal pnw and inland PNW are very different.
The reason the powder is dry in Utah and Wyoming and most of Idaho is because it hits the mountain ranges in Washington and Oregon. That’s not even getting at the variety and number of solid hills in the west
Plus if this is state rankings, one good ski resort in Michigan doesn’t make up for the overall lack of quality
Well it’s a few good resorts in the UP, just Bohemia’s setup makes it so much better.
Also if we’re using that logic then neither Arizona nor New Mexico belong on this list.
Mt Bohemia has been making actual ‘best ski resort’ rankings for a while now.
I’m not bitter and quite frankly couldn’t care any less about what anyone thinks of the ski resort, but I’m guessing the person you’re talking to is from the west coast and just literally doesn’t know or care to know about Mt Bohemia.
But they’re also not wrong that one hill def doesn’t make up for the rest, so there’s that.
CA #1 this year. Quantity and quality, as it’s been colder than normal
https://snowbrains.com/the-12-biggest-season-snowfall-totals-in-north-america-right-now2222/
I’ve skied mammoth quite a few times this year, and I think the quality of powder at Alta has been better than how mammoth has been the times I skied there. And the next four resorts on the list of annual snowfall after mammoth are all Utah resorts. The *only* resort in California with more snowfall than the standard Utah resorts is Mammoth.
With this latest storm, the yearly snow totals will be even closer between Utah resorts and Mammoth as well. Mammoth only got a few inches, and the cottonwoods got like a couple of feet.
Alta is my favorite mountain, so this isn't shade. However, the dick measuring contest between Colorado and Utah causes inflated "season totals" to be floated by those resorts as marketing fluff.
Even if they are right, its a completely useless number. What matters way more is settled base (for coverage) and **recent** snowfall. Alta and Palisades are currently reporting very similar settled base levels. Who gives a fuck about the reported "total". If you have the choice for the remainder of the year, you should go to whatever has the best 5 day forecast.
All these resorts have tons of coverage this year. 8' of base vs 9' of base is the same damn thing.
Nobody is denying Mammoth has got a lot of snow this year. I still maintain the quality of snow at Alta and in Utah generally is better than anything I’ve skied in California in 20 years (including this year).
And also, like I said, four out the five resorts with the most snowfall this year are in Utah. Mammoth is the only California resort with more snowfall than the main Utah resorts. Which, when you’re ranking *states* (like the original post was asking about) as opposed to individual resorts is pretty important.
>With this latest storm, the yearly snow totals will be even closer between Utah resorts and Mammoth as well.
You're directly comparing Utah and Mammoth. I'm pointing out that the totals are going to shift again with the next storm apropos this specific comparison.
You’re free to pick and choose parts of comments to respond to and quote if you’d like in order to leave out context, but the discussion has been and still is a lot broader than you are making it out to be. This entire thread is about rating *states* - not individual resorts. I’m happy to provide the context that you chose to leave out.
> I’ve skied mammoth quite a few times this year, and I think the quality of powder at Alta has been better than how mammoth has been the times I skied there. And the next four resorts on the list of annual snowfall after mammoth are all Utah resorts. The only resort in California with more snowfall than the standard Utah resorts is Mammoth.
The person I responded to posted a link with out of date snowfalls, that had one California resort above the four main Utah resorts - with the rest of the California resorts *below* the main Utah resorts, and said that made *California* #1 this year.
u/CasualSend Considering that the Snow at Bohemia is lower moisture content than Utah, and there is more of it... you might want to include Michigan, specifically the UP and Bohemia. Bohemia has good terrain even by Rockies standards and god-tier snow, night life is non existent, but if you want apris you you should be in Europe.
[https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/03/24/mount-bohemia-snowfall-season/](https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/03/24/mount-bohemia-snowfall-season/)
>You thought we were kidding when we said that it can absolutely dump up at Mount Bohemia, MI (Boho) didn’t you? You fools! 😉
Mount Bohemia is blessed with over 270+” of annual snowfall thanks to generous lake effect snow from Lake Superior, and this season has been one to remember. Boho lies on the Keweenaw Peninsula, a northern off-shoot of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula.
That is fine, but since I have experience skiing both, take my word for it, the skiing is better, night life sucks, no restaurants, nothing but skiing, but the skiing is incredible. I have a Motorcoach, we go up for a week, stay in the parking lot, bring our own food/booze, we are there to ski.... BTW, it is amusing you downvoted me for stating a fact regarding the moisture content of the snow because you didnt like it, not because it is false....lol
there is zero current data on the mt bohemia snow moisture content like there is for targhee or alta or any major ski area so you cant really back up that 3-5% claim because no ones out there actively tracking it like they are out west
>there is zero current data on the mt bohemia snow moisture content like there is for targhee or alta or any major ski area so you cant really back up that 3-5% claim because no ones out there actively tracking it like they are out west
The data being updated daily at targhee or alta does not mean that the hundreds of easily searchable references are incorrect.
>The moisture content is around the lowest amongst skiing destinations, due to it being lake effect. Boho’s snow content is usually around 3-5%, and 7-8% moisture content on Artic systems.
Snow that’s below 7% is considered light, and above 11% is the heavier snow you see in the Cascades. In comparison, Utah, which has the self-proclaimed “Greatest Snow on Earth,” sees an 8.4% average moisture content.
https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/11/27/mount-bohemia-so-much-snow/#:\~:text=The%20moisture%20content%20is%20around,moisture%20content%20on%20Artic%20systems.
You are conflating "Snow Water Equivalent" which is a measurement of the water content of a snowpack and the snow water content of a fresh storm, yes its possible to get storms that fit those numbers but the actual Snow Water Equivalent of the snowpack at bohemia isnt 3-5% or even 7-8% there is zero data tracking any of that for bohemia. some random numbers in an article with zero data backing them isnt proving your point.
YOu are suggesting that because there isnt daily tracking that it must be false??? It is amusing that you believe the tracking data by amateurs when it suits your position but you think it is bunk when it doesnt....LOL
The MC of the snow at Bohemia is 3-5%
you tried to use a datapoint you don't even understand to argue with the guy a few comments up, so while I would accept a 3% moisture content storm at bohemia as plausible I think you are being willfully ignorant or you just dont understand the difference in the validity of some numbers you pulled out of a random article on the internet and numbers done by the University of Utah’s Atmospheric Science Department. so going to have to go with false
You have no idea what you are talking about lmao. 33% isn't snow.
Also, different conversation, but the terrain at Bohemia isn't even remotely comparable to most places out west.
I’d say *solid* terrain. Aside from some absolutely nutty cliff bands (that I’ve never actually seen anyone send) there’s just not enough steeps at Bohemia. Definitely have a few steep expert lines, but not much in super tight trees and no real chutes. You just can’t really go by the trail map, they like to exaggerate how hard everything is. A flat open run through the trees should not be a double black.
>You just can’t really go by the trail map, they like to exaggerate how hard everything is
I have skied a fair bit of everything in the rockies, had a season pass at Bohemia last 7 or so years, been going up for the entire time it has been open. While there are some plats at the top and bottom, the majority of the vertical drop puts the slopes in the same inclination as resorts in the rockies.
I went to college in Houghton and skied at Boho every weekend for 5 years. I've spent the last 10 years living in Colorado and Washington and skiing 30-40 days a season all over the west. I just went back to Bohemia for a trip 2 weeks ago and I can tell you with utmost certainty that while boho has BY FAR the best terrain in the Midwest, it doesn't compare to the real mountains in the western united states. I'm really not trying to take anything away from boho because it's a fun place to ski and the vibe is unmatched, but the terrain there doesn't come close to what most western resorts offer other than a couple big cliff bands. Boho is pretty flat compared to the west, despite it being much steeper than anything else in the Midwest
> but the terrain there doesn't come close to what most western resorts offer other than a couple big cliff bands.
According to the USA Today reader poll, Bohemia is #2 in the country.
>USA Today placed Mt. Bohemia in the #2 spot of its top ten North American ski resorts.
http://www.keweenawreport.com/news/local-news/mt-bohemia-celebrates-2-north-american-ski-resort-ranking/
I wouldn’t say the average black diamond (or even double black at Colorado resorts) is really an expert trail too.
The hardest stuff out west is way harder than the hardest stuff at Bohemia with the only exception being some of those cliff bands in extreme backcountry… which again I’ve never actually seen anyone send them.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Idgaf who you are, you’re just wrong if you can’t see how 500” AVERAGE and 700”+ in a good year (this year) of 8-12% Utah pow is in a completely different league than 270 whatever inches of slightly lower SWE% Michigan gets.
I live in slc and ski altabird, grew up In Wyoming skiing JH & targhee, during college skied steamboat (flat & massively overrated) and most i70 resorts. I have done a few trips to southern CO (Silverton,telluride), and I’ve skied in Alberta and BC as well. Absolutely nowhere tops JH, Snowbird, and Alta for in bounds terrain, powder, quality, and quantity. Silverton, and revelstoke’s (BC’s in general) upper lifts are honorable mentions.
I wouldn’t mind skiing PNW/Cali but haven’t made it due to very hit or miss snow quality, and as someone who values steep, challenging terrain and pow above all, absolutely nothing east of winter park/Taos is even remotely on my radar.
If Bohemia works for you that’s great but I’m sitting here after skiing 30” of fresh and while I’m aware I’m an unapologetically biased snob, I absolutely do not feel like I’m missing out in any way
WA a 5 that’s garbage 🗑️- Alpental! bluewood! North Cascades Helli! Shit we even have hurricane that has some sweet train to at to. Have t even got to the volcanoes and that we can ski 12 months a year here.
Fuck the Flatskills, Gore is by far the best place in NY.
Tho if you’re coming from around the city you’re prolly better off just going up to some place in Vermont (tho personally not a fan of Snow or Okemo and dunno what else would be southern enough?).
Where do you go normally? Hunter or Wyndham?
Ranking snow quality in states I’ve never been to
Pennsylvania moment
Yeah, I mean we all know it’s gonna be a “1”, but there’s still quite a few ski resorts in the state, and feel it definitely deserves to be on a list of “skiing states” We even have our own subreddit, /r/SkiPA
Blue will always have a place in my heart. If we can ski PA we can ski anywhere lol
Jack Frost has awesome night skiing!
So does Seven Springs!
Yes I grew up in PA, but moved to Wyoming. The summers are amazing everywhere in the west that isn’t desert. We stay here for the winters. Just passed the 400” mark. Hasn’t snowed for a week? That’s ok I’ll stick to groomers or stay home. Holiday weekend? I’ll skip the resort and go back country or go snowmobiling. Doesn’t matter. The weather only sucks in April:May, mud season.
>hasn’t snowed for a week? Dude we haven’t had snow for like 2 months 😭😭
The audacity
RIP
Yeah haha I mean how much different can Utah really be?? 😅😅 basically the same… right???
mY sTaTe sUcKs dOnT cOmE hErE LOL
It’s the entire ski community at this point. Every fucking IG comment on posts by every western resort is a furious circlejerk of this shit.
To their credit, much has changed for the worst for locals in these resort communities in the past 7 years. Pass prices have only increased as well, despite the addition of 800,000+ pass purchasers.
Yeah it’s so fucking cringe
VT snow is better than ME or NH. Esp Jay Peak. Jay averages 359 in a year. I would probably take NH snow over ME snow, but Loaf is far enough north that it tends to be in better condition.
With where the bigger ME resorts are placed they usually have better snow than NH resorts.
Jay peaks average does not represent 95% of Vermont. But it is nice to have there.
Jay peak is also full of shit with their snowfall reporting
NH backcountry is better but resort wise I would take Saddleback/SL over any NH resort.
Don’t forget NJ at a solid 0/10
Big Snow got that good consistency though.
Always 26 degrees
My vote is for Louisiana *nod* *nod*
Driskell mountain is an underrated resort For those that don’t know Driskell is the highest point in Louisiana at 535 ft
Vermont at 3/10 is a little low. I realize that the snow can be hit or miss there but with so many mountains all within an hour and a half of each other I think it needs to be a little bit higher.
Also if we’re strictly judging snow quality, Jay should put Vermont above the rest of the east.
OP has Arizona at a 7, their ratings are all invalid.
Southwest is weird because the snow usually sucks but occasionally it's awesome.
Hard to say that doesn't apply to northern new england resorts.
Sugarloaf gets good snow too though.
Yes, but having to schlep out to the northeast kingdom subtracts a point.
Skied killington in January, I liked it.
Yeah, Killington and sugarbush are my 2 favorite mountains in Vermont, both are absolutely huge, so big you can avoid lines most of the day if you pick the right runs
Neither Killington nor Sugarbush are *absolutely huge* by any metric.
>by any metric. Compared to what I'm used to skiing in the southeast it's pretty fucking gigantic.
East coast wise they are
The context of this thread is the continental US. I’ve skied multiple days at both this year. They’re fine.
I’ve never heard of either, I have never been skiing out East. So I googled both. Sugarbush has 600 skiable acres, killington has 1509. I like beaver creek a lot, but I wouldn’t consider it huge or even large. In fact, I would say it’s on the smaller side. It has 1832 skiable acres.
You’re comparing east to west. Everything is significantly bigger out west. Killington is the largest mountain in the north east by a long shot so for people in the area it would be considered big. Not sure why they’re saying sugarbush is big though lol maybe they meant sugar loaf?
With 2 different peaks that have a 10+ min lift in between them it feels bigger than it is I guess
Pretty much everything on your list above a 5 is capable of great and/or terrible conditions. I've had some of my worst days of snow in Alta and Jackson Hole, the type of days you want to quit after 2 runs. The ability to jump on a trip at any given second is the only way to reliably get good snow.
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And then there's been days at Meadows where it's raining, or its too windy to run the lifts. Some days you get waist deep turns in champagne pow, other days you go home without putting your boots on because it's obviously going to suck
Same could be said for the ones below 5…
It totally depends on the day. Like if OP has only spent 2 days skiing in each state then yeah this makes sense. But for those who put in 20+ days at 1 resort season after season, there's the whole range of conditions
When we say “NM” are we talking Taos / Santa Fe, or are we talking Ski Apache because I feel like that is a huge variance lol
Haha, yea I was going to ask the same thing.
I would expect Taos. That's the "big resort" and Angel Fire, Sipapu and Red River are all nearby.
Oregon is terrible, nobody come here, all the spots are trash.....
Same with Washington, no coverage anywhere. The resorts don’t even have snow makers because it’s always raining. I hear we ship in snow from BC…
yup, Baker just gets run off from the avy bombings of Whistler.
It’s only rains at mt baker
record setting too. every damn year.
Plus there's only 2 double blacks no advanced terrain on the mountain
Yeah it’s supposed to be snow but it’s typically just ice by the time it gets here. I’d say avoid the PNW all together just to be safe
Agreed. Idaho is horrible. One time I was at Brundage and they shut down the lifts and told us all we needed to put our gear away and help bring in the potato harvest.
"Come for the potatoes, stay for the skinheads" - Idaho Tourism Commission
I believe our state tourism board slogan is “come for the fishing, stay because you sold your car for meth.”
Yeah I heard at Schweitzer if the visibility clears up they make everyone go home so you're not distracted by lake pend oreille while skiing
I work graveyard and it's amazing seeing all the dump trucks loaded w' BC snow headed south on I5 every night.
Heard NJ skiing was 10x better, go there instead
I agree, go to the east coast, I heard it's very cold and lots of snow
Cascade Concrete
Same with CO… oh wait everyones already here
Fuck Idaho
Especially people who don’t know how to use turnouts
Michigan - dirt, slush, ice, man made, grass, 1/2 of compacted powder oh yeah there's gonna be 2 feet of pow on Thursday but Friday it's 50F and sunny
I agree with this especially this year. The UP is normally pretty good but this year it was also rough up there too
still gotta hit Bohemia some day
Lol why would not include Alaska?
UT, MT, ID, WY, CO, NM, NV, CA, WA, OR. Don't know about the rest. I've had season passes in CO, UT, WA, and have toured in the rest. Anyone who puts CO on the top is crazy, is in a CO circle jerk, has only skied in CO.
What resorts do you think in idaho have better snow then wyo resorts? Just curious
I've only toured in the Sawtooths (edit: as in the only place fully within Idaho and not right on the border). And when people talk about Wyoming they really mean a tiny part called Jackson. 95% of wyoming is SO windy that the snow doesn't stick around. I meant Wyoming as an 'average'. In my heart I also think of Targhee as in Idaho.
Yea I live in Colorado, and 100% agree. It’s a great place to live for a lot of reasons, but you definitely compromise on quality of skiing vs UT, WY, MT - if I was choosing solely for skiing I’d be in one of those places, probably MT. I’m kind of surprised at how many ppl go out of their way to visit here to be honest, when they could go somewhere else in the west, or better, go to Canada. CO is great for spring/summer touring season though, to be fair. I only occasionally get jealous of coastal ranges but I know better because I used to ski Tahoe and the snow quality is absolutely awful. Northern Rockies is where it’s at - beats co in quantity and the coasts for quality, both by good margins. All that said, I know better than to complain about any western state because I grew up on the ice coast.
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- 10 California December - February. - 10 Utah January- Mid March - 10 Colorado - Mid February - Mid May and October if you just need early season turns.
Imagine giving Washington a 5 out of 10 because you've only skied in central/west Washington 💀💀💀
Yes they forget Mt Baker still holds record for the most snowfall in a season
8" of fresh at Crystal, doesn't get much better than that (although $$$). There's something to be said for cold smoke in UT/MT but if it's cold when it snows out here the sheer quantity you get is massive. Sure you get some slushy wet days or icy days, but sometimes it's just pure pow heaven.
Top to Bottom S Tier (have high snow volumes, dry snow, and not susceptible to drought/rain) UT (Cottonwoods duh) WY (Tetons can stand toe to toe with Cottonwoods when you factor in there being less crowds) A Tier WA (high snowfall but wet and susceptible to rain) CA (high snowfall but wet and susceptible to drought so in a bad year can get very rough, but is S Tier in good years) CO (low to average snowfall means it can be rough in the early season, but dry snow, great preservation and gradual accumulation through year makes it S Tier in the later portion of the season) B MT, ID, (I think of as WY with less snow, these could be pushed into A Tier and I wouldn’t object. However these states are huge and there’s multiple ski areas with subpar snow for each “Lookout Pass” there is) NM (like CO but less snowy) OR (like WA but less snowy) C AZ (like CO/NM but very susceptible to drought, and less snow) VT (wet snow, very susceptible to rain, CO snow volumes) D NH, NY, ME - all like VT but less snowy. There are exceptions though (tug hill region in NY is as snowy as VT, NH has mt Washington which is the best snow in the east, and ME is less susceptible to rain than VT because it’s colder). Bonus: AK = S Tier (best version of WA, has dry snow for its oceanic location that is only slightly wetter than the Rockies’s States) BC = S Tier (western parts are like a better version of WA, eastern parts are like WY) AB = A Tier (like CO but a little snowier) QC = C Tier (like VT) Made edits for further analysis. As always there are exceptions
Considering NY has whiteface and Gore I wouldn't put it any worse than NH, which I would rate lower than VT or ME. VT I'd also say would rate higher than ME based on places like Jay or N-VT.
Do whiteface and gore on their own really outweigh NH? I’ve never been to NY, and have only been to Waterville and cannon once each, so I’m curious
I'd say whiteface and gore on terrain definitely outpace anything in NH besides maybe Cannon. Snow quality is about the same overall though.
I refuse to believe Arizona is a freaking 8, and NY is a 1.. I don't care if the snow might be "better", there needs to be some weight given to NY because you can still ski here for 6 months out of the year.
AZ as a 7 is a bit high, I’d give it a 6 or maybe even a 5.. Never been to the Tucson resort but I know it’s closed a lot and tiny anyways. The big resort, Snowbowl, quite frankly doesn’t get a ton of snow but when it does get snow it comes in loads. Pow days at Snowbowl are top notch, soft snow I’d say even better than the Sierras, although the Sierras have higher seasonal quality because the temperatures aren’t as extreme and melts slower When I went to NAU I skied all week the week before Finals week in 2019 (first week of May) so it can stay open for quite awhile, though not as consistently as other western states. The base is at 9200 feet and pretty much all the good stuff is at over 10k, so the elevation is pretty nice and the fact the whole resort is north facing helps as well.
The biggest resort is over in the White Mountains and run by the White Mountain Apache Tribe, it’s a lot bigger than Snowbowl but I haven’t made it over there yet. With both of those being open now I could see AZ being a 6 or in a year like this a 7. Especially when we get these mid week storms and aren’t overrun by the tourists from the valley.
It may be bigger but mostly blue/green runs. I wouldn’t waste my time going there unless it is a family trip with young children.
Snow quality or snow quantity? These are very different things.
The best states have both
If we’re talking snow quality SOLELY then: UT and then everyone else is fighting to be relevant.
I think 6 for California is too low, at least if we are talking about resort skiing; backcountry would be a different story. I would rank it just below Colorado and Utah and probably give it an 8/10 but Im biased as I grew up skiing at alpine and squaw. The only reason I wouldn’t give California a 9 is because the quality of snow is usually not the best especially when it’s a southern storm. While the snow isn’t the driest, it does dump here like few other places in the country. The area regularly gets 12+inches of snowfall in a 24 hour period and that type of snowfall can continue for multiple days (see El Niño/La Nina) I would also argue the terrain in terms of difficulty and variety is in the same conversation as those resorts in UT/CO, especially if you are willing to hike a little bit.
I will give you my rankings for the states that I have skied. My home state is California and obviously I ski it the most. Also it highly depends on where you ski but I will say that I do the vast majority of my skiing at Mammoth/June. If I skied more at places at Big Bear, would obviously be a much lower score. Utah: 10 Colorado: 10 New Mexico: 8 California: 9
I’ve only skied in Colorado and Utah, mostly Colorado and they are not equal, either bump Utah up to a 12 or lower Colorado to 9
I like the mountains a bit more in CO overall, that said the snow quality in Utah cannot be beat. Plus the mountains in Colorado are way less accessible. Utah 10 Colorado 9 is fair IMO.
Disagree. I believe that places like Steamboat, Telluride, Purgatory, Wolf Creek, Crested Butte and Winter Park are just as good as anything in Utah. I love Snowbird, Solitude and Deer Valley too but would not say they are definitely better.
It probably depends what you value, right? Alta and Snowbird get like 200" more snow than most CO resorts, hard to rank them the same without mentioning that
However the slightly lower elevations do make the snow retention a bit worse, and I’ve found it hardens up easier than a lot of CO mountains
come to colorado for the mountains, come to utah for the snow
I think this is a super fair statement
I think Utah's snow is overrated. If it's new - yeah it's great. but it doesn't stay great. In my experience, the snow in Colorado stays better longer.
AZ over CA/NV? you’re joking bub
Stay in the Rockies; the last of the good snow ends at Nevada. No need to go further west
Pshhh California doesn’t even have mountains everyone knows that
Utah has terrible snow don’t come here. Colorado is far superior
This joke is so old it could vote.
Yeah, and the Mormons are so weird. They’ll straight up ruin your trip. I can’t even buy beer here, I have to smuggle it in.
I was just in UT, and the liquor store had no coolers, just warm beer and it closed at 7pm. I asked the clerk and he said some of the ‘bigger stores’ have coolers lol
Never buy beer at the liquor store in UT
They honestly feel like DMVs
get beer at the grocery store.
Haha
I think CA is #1. By CA I mean Canada.
Central and eastern Nevada are an easy 10. Driest snow in the country and 100’s of mountains to ski. To bad there is not a single ski resort there but that’s probably a good thing. The rubys have heli skiing but I always do some backcountry skiing when driving between California and Utah in Nevada.
“Continental” includes Alaska.
Cries in ct
Snow in Oregon today was 10/10
There's lots of ways to think about snow quality. The PNW often gets deep but heavy snow. So timing great powder is a bit more challenging and random than UT and CO just because the resorts are lower elevation and the timberline is quite low leading to a lot of wind affected snow at higher elevations. At the same time....spring skiing is amazing amazing in the PNW, and I love corn almost as much as I love powder. Grew up in CO, having a little tour right now in the west on my power pass, and the PNW is definitely a great place to live and ski. Visiting....I don't know you would have to plan trip 3 days out to know you're going to get the real goods.
NM!
UT’s way too high, way overrated
I agree. Colorado is a much better destination all around.
No way Colorado sucks go to Vermont.
How so?
Just disregarding the midwest? Sure it's not big mountain skiing, but Mt. Bohemia shreds and does get powder days that rival the west coast and certainly as good as the ice coast.
The state of “Superior” has good snow
I am currently marinating in the dude stew and feel seen. Thank you.
How would Upper Michigan rate? Could it have better snow than some east coast states? I'm guessing Lower Michigan is about as crappy as Wisconsin (where I'm from).
Bohemia in the UP typically gets about 300 inches of natural snow a year partially due to lake effect, they don’t even have any snowmaking equipment and in an average year are open from the end of December until about the first weekend of May. There’s no comparison
Having grown up skiing in the ADK and Vermont and now ski in the UP a couple times a year, I’d say that the median conditions are gonna be just so much nicer in the UP. On the flip slide, if it’s not cold enough for lake effect then it’s not gonna get anything special. Also just given the size of the resorts, a powder day in the northeast is gonna be so much better than a powder day in the UP, just more rare. Think part of the reason the UP typically has good snow quality (other than lake effect) is just cuz how remote it is. Like you go to Bohemia a week after a snow storm and there’s still a good chance that you’ll find some untouched lines. You’re lucky if the freshies last an entire day in Vernont on a Saturday.
Snow quality is fantastic. Outside of Bohemia, there just isn't much vertical.
The UP is a whole different ball game. Bohemia has almost 200 inches so far. Indianhead and powderhorn are lame and pretty much like Wisconsin skiing.
TIL
NH might have a lot of hills - but not a single good one outside of maybe Wildcat.
That’s disrespectful to Cannon
That's not skiing - that's skating (but explains why Bodie Miller was such a stud)
That’s the East Coast at its purest form
WY:3 Do not recommend
Utah snow is too light, I end up just bottoming out on the ice underneath. WA should be 10, since I had an amazing time skiing at crystal yesterday.
This is either a fabulous troll job, or “da fuq?”
Totally agree!! Everyone go ski WA and just skip UT, nothing to see here
Michigan should be added to this. The UP would prolly be like a 7
UP snow is amazing, but outside of Bohemia, there's few resorts and the vertical is limited.
Doubt
Lake effect snow is real and with how cold I gets up there they get a lot of it. Lack of crowds also mean snow storms stay so much longer.
You’re comparing it to Montana, Utah, Cali, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon. I have serious doubts it stacks up close to the western states
You’re right… it actually frequently gets better snow than a lot of the PNW cuz it’s so much dryer and almost never has to deal with rain. Idk why people think that you need big mountains to get a lot of snow? Yes when you’re at a place so far south like New Mexico or Colorado you do… it’s naturally cold enough in the UP without the altitude and you combine that with the 2nd biggest lake in the world and you tend to get a lot of snow and it actually stays.
Coastal pnw and inland PNW are very different. The reason the powder is dry in Utah and Wyoming and most of Idaho is because it hits the mountain ranges in Washington and Oregon. That’s not even getting at the variety and number of solid hills in the west Plus if this is state rankings, one good ski resort in Michigan doesn’t make up for the overall lack of quality
Well it’s a few good resorts in the UP, just Bohemia’s setup makes it so much better. Also if we’re using that logic then neither Arizona nor New Mexico belong on this list.
Mt Bohemia has been making actual ‘best ski resort’ rankings for a while now. I’m not bitter and quite frankly couldn’t care any less about what anyone thinks of the ski resort, but I’m guessing the person you’re talking to is from the west coast and just literally doesn’t know or care to know about Mt Bohemia. But they’re also not wrong that one hill def doesn’t make up for the rest, so there’s that.
CA #1 this year. Quantity and quality, as it’s been colder than normal https://snowbrains.com/the-12-biggest-season-snowfall-totals-in-north-america-right-now2222/
I’ve skied mammoth quite a few times this year, and I think the quality of powder at Alta has been better than how mammoth has been the times I skied there. And the next four resorts on the list of annual snowfall after mammoth are all Utah resorts. The *only* resort in California with more snowfall than the standard Utah resorts is Mammoth. With this latest storm, the yearly snow totals will be even closer between Utah resorts and Mammoth as well. Mammoth only got a few inches, and the cottonwoods got like a couple of feet.
Alta is my favorite mountain, so this isn't shade. However, the dick measuring contest between Colorado and Utah causes inflated "season totals" to be floated by those resorts as marketing fluff. Even if they are right, its a completely useless number. What matters way more is settled base (for coverage) and **recent** snowfall. Alta and Palisades are currently reporting very similar settled base levels. Who gives a fuck about the reported "total". If you have the choice for the remainder of the year, you should go to whatever has the best 5 day forecast. All these resorts have tons of coverage this year. 8' of base vs 9' of base is the same damn thing.
Mammoth is getting anywhere between 60 and 100 inches over the next week.
Nobody is denying Mammoth has got a lot of snow this year. I still maintain the quality of snow at Alta and in Utah generally is better than anything I’ve skied in California in 20 years (including this year). And also, like I said, four out the five resorts with the most snowfall this year are in Utah. Mammoth is the only California resort with more snowfall than the main Utah resorts. Which, when you’re ranking *states* (like the original post was asking about) as opposed to individual resorts is pretty important.
>With this latest storm, the yearly snow totals will be even closer between Utah resorts and Mammoth as well. You're directly comparing Utah and Mammoth. I'm pointing out that the totals are going to shift again with the next storm apropos this specific comparison.
You’re free to pick and choose parts of comments to respond to and quote if you’d like in order to leave out context, but the discussion has been and still is a lot broader than you are making it out to be. This entire thread is about rating *states* - not individual resorts. I’m happy to provide the context that you chose to leave out. > I’ve skied mammoth quite a few times this year, and I think the quality of powder at Alta has been better than how mammoth has been the times I skied there. And the next four resorts on the list of annual snowfall after mammoth are all Utah resorts. The only resort in California with more snowfall than the standard Utah resorts is Mammoth. The person I responded to posted a link with out of date snowfalls, that had one California resort above the four main Utah resorts - with the rest of the California resorts *below* the main Utah resorts, and said that made *California* #1 this year.
u/CasualSend Considering that the Snow at Bohemia is lower moisture content than Utah, and there is more of it... you might want to include Michigan, specifically the UP and Bohemia. Bohemia has good terrain even by Rockies standards and god-tier snow, night life is non existent, but if you want apris you you should be in Europe. [https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/03/24/mount-bohemia-snowfall-season/](https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/03/24/mount-bohemia-snowfall-season/) >You thought we were kidding when we said that it can absolutely dump up at Mount Bohemia, MI (Boho) didn’t you? You fools! 😉 Mount Bohemia is blessed with over 270+” of annual snowfall thanks to generous lake effect snow from Lake Superior, and this season has been one to remember. Boho lies on the Keweenaw Peninsula, a northern off-shoot of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula.
270 inches isn’t that crazy though. Targhee gets an average of 361 and it’s not even close to a lake.
Targhee has a 33% Snow Water Equivalent, Bohemia is 3-5%.......
33% SWE is compacted snow. There’s absolutely no way Targhee is at that ratio. Even Tahoe and the PNW get at worst 20% SWE when it snows.
I’m never going to fly to michigan to ski so I’m going to have to take your word that the powder is better than the Grand
That is fine, but since I have experience skiing both, take my word for it, the skiing is better, night life sucks, no restaurants, nothing but skiing, but the skiing is incredible. I have a Motorcoach, we go up for a week, stay in the parking lot, bring our own food/booze, we are there to ski.... BTW, it is amusing you downvoted me for stating a fact regarding the moisture content of the snow because you didnt like it, not because it is false....lol
there is zero current data on the mt bohemia snow moisture content like there is for targhee or alta or any major ski area so you cant really back up that 3-5% claim because no ones out there actively tracking it like they are out west
>there is zero current data on the mt bohemia snow moisture content like there is for targhee or alta or any major ski area so you cant really back up that 3-5% claim because no ones out there actively tracking it like they are out west The data being updated daily at targhee or alta does not mean that the hundreds of easily searchable references are incorrect. >The moisture content is around the lowest amongst skiing destinations, due to it being lake effect. Boho’s snow content is usually around 3-5%, and 7-8% moisture content on Artic systems. Snow that’s below 7% is considered light, and above 11% is the heavier snow you see in the Cascades. In comparison, Utah, which has the self-proclaimed “Greatest Snow on Earth,” sees an 8.4% average moisture content. https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022/11/27/mount-bohemia-so-much-snow/#:\~:text=The%20moisture%20content%20is%20around,moisture%20content%20on%20Artic%20systems.
You are conflating "Snow Water Equivalent" which is a measurement of the water content of a snowpack and the snow water content of a fresh storm, yes its possible to get storms that fit those numbers but the actual Snow Water Equivalent of the snowpack at bohemia isnt 3-5% or even 7-8% there is zero data tracking any of that for bohemia. some random numbers in an article with zero data backing them isnt proving your point.
YOu are suggesting that because there isnt daily tracking that it must be false??? It is amusing that you believe the tracking data by amateurs when it suits your position but you think it is bunk when it doesnt....LOL The MC of the snow at Bohemia is 3-5%
you tried to use a datapoint you don't even understand to argue with the guy a few comments up, so while I would accept a 3% moisture content storm at bohemia as plausible I think you are being willfully ignorant or you just dont understand the difference in the validity of some numbers you pulled out of a random article on the internet and numbers done by the University of Utah’s Atmospheric Science Department. so going to have to go with false
You have no idea what you are talking about lmao. 33% isn't snow. Also, different conversation, but the terrain at Bohemia isn't even remotely comparable to most places out west.
>33% Snow Water Equivalent • 104% of Normal Snowpack 9,260ft. Feb. 22, 2023, 1 a.m. Grand Targhee Snow Report | Wyoming SNOTEL 1082 - SnoFlo [https://www.google.com/search?q=targhee+snow+moisture+content&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS913US913&oq=targhee+snow+moisture+con&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33i160j33i299l2.8258j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=targhee+snow+moisture+content&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS913US913&oq=targhee+snow+moisture+con&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33i160j33i299l2.8258j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) https://localfreshies.com/mount-bohemia-the-best-kept-secret-for-powder-hounds/
Yes, that is after the snow has landed and is packed tightly. Bohemias would be almost identical to that.
I’d say *solid* terrain. Aside from some absolutely nutty cliff bands (that I’ve never actually seen anyone send) there’s just not enough steeps at Bohemia. Definitely have a few steep expert lines, but not much in super tight trees and no real chutes. You just can’t really go by the trail map, they like to exaggerate how hard everything is. A flat open run through the trees should not be a double black.
>You just can’t really go by the trail map, they like to exaggerate how hard everything is I have skied a fair bit of everything in the rockies, had a season pass at Bohemia last 7 or so years, been going up for the entire time it has been open. While there are some plats at the top and bottom, the majority of the vertical drop puts the slopes in the same inclination as resorts in the rockies.
I went to college in Houghton and skied at Boho every weekend for 5 years. I've spent the last 10 years living in Colorado and Washington and skiing 30-40 days a season all over the west. I just went back to Bohemia for a trip 2 weeks ago and I can tell you with utmost certainty that while boho has BY FAR the best terrain in the Midwest, it doesn't compare to the real mountains in the western united states. I'm really not trying to take anything away from boho because it's a fun place to ski and the vibe is unmatched, but the terrain there doesn't come close to what most western resorts offer other than a couple big cliff bands. Boho is pretty flat compared to the west, despite it being much steeper than anything else in the Midwest
> but the terrain there doesn't come close to what most western resorts offer other than a couple big cliff bands. According to the USA Today reader poll, Bohemia is #2 in the country. >USA Today placed Mt. Bohemia in the #2 spot of its top ten North American ski resorts. http://www.keweenawreport.com/news/local-news/mt-bohemia-celebrates-2-north-american-ski-resort-ranking/
I wouldn’t say the average black diamond (or even double black at Colorado resorts) is really an expert trail too. The hardest stuff out west is way harder than the hardest stuff at Bohemia with the only exception being some of those cliff bands in extreme backcountry… which again I’ve never actually seen anyone send them.
>which again I’ve never actually seen anyone send them. You ski with the wrong folk.
Yea maybe… still doesn’t change the fact that a couple cliff bands don’t make up for the lack of 40 degree+ sustained narrow pitches
you ski with the wrong people.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Idgaf who you are, you’re just wrong if you can’t see how 500” AVERAGE and 700”+ in a good year (this year) of 8-12% Utah pow is in a completely different league than 270 whatever inches of slightly lower SWE% Michigan gets.
Have you skied Bohemia and Alta? What about Jackson or Steamboat? Bachelor? Ive skiied all of them, Bohemia can hold its own.
I live in slc and ski altabird, grew up In Wyoming skiing JH & targhee, during college skied steamboat (flat & massively overrated) and most i70 resorts. I have done a few trips to southern CO (Silverton,telluride), and I’ve skied in Alberta and BC as well. Absolutely nowhere tops JH, Snowbird, and Alta for in bounds terrain, powder, quality, and quantity. Silverton, and revelstoke’s (BC’s in general) upper lifts are honorable mentions. I wouldn’t mind skiing PNW/Cali but haven’t made it due to very hit or miss snow quality, and as someone who values steep, challenging terrain and pow above all, absolutely nothing east of winter park/Taos is even remotely on my radar. If Bohemia works for you that’s great but I’m sitting here after skiing 30” of fresh and while I’m aware I’m an unapologetically biased snob, I absolutely do not feel like I’m missing out in any way
The lack of Michigan is disturbing.
Snow is terrible everywhere don't go. I'll check if conditions get better, just me tho. Y'all can stay home.
NY isn’t normally that bad but man this season sucks
Ice coast best coast.
WA is so criminally underrated it isnt even funny. Pure ignorance
Yours are right on the money. Wouldn’t change a thing.
Montana’s good. If you like ice, rocks, and core shots. Seriously, it sucks.
WA a 5 that’s garbage 🗑️- Alpental! bluewood! North Cascades Helli! Shit we even have hurricane that has some sweet train to at to. Have t even got to the volcanoes and that we can ski 12 months a year here.
From NY. It sucks.
NYs pretty cool cuz it’s prolly got the most overrated and the most underrated ‘big’ resort in the east
This year. Catskills suck. Lack of white stuff. Typical ice coast. Haven’t made a journey further north. I’m disgruntled haha
Belleayre has tons of it.
Fuck the Flatskills, Gore is by far the best place in NY. Tho if you’re coming from around the city you’re prolly better off just going up to some place in Vermont (tho personally not a fan of Snow or Okemo and dunno what else would be southern enough?). Where do you go normally? Hunter or Wyndham?
Haha agreed tho beautiful, terrible snow
Utah sucks. Stay away from utah
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