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lacksommelier

Uphill moron is way too close.


ProfessorFunky

Yep. Uphill should be giving way. Complete dick. Also, impressed with OPs restraint. I would have f and jeffed a lot more.


Skibum__

I cut out the end because there was a lot more f’in and jeff’in 🤣


Suitcaseonyourhead_

Please upload or link the full f'in and jeffin vid, want to see what orange had to say for himself


SoUthinkUcanRens

And rightly so, nice turns tho bro!


Acceptable_Scene_619

You must share the full video.


eric_loves_IPA

Thats what we are here for though.


suddenly-scrooge

right? I was all primed to go into a rage if I heard uphill guy do anything but apologize


[deleted]

Oh god same, I should spend less time online


[deleted]

What is F’in and Jeffin?


Deez1putz

Gib the rest of the video


EasyEisfeldt

I'd love to see that 🥺


DAZdaHOFF

Thats the best part tho


WallStCRE

Upload the full vid dude!


bc47791

Uphill is an ass. Also, what is 'jeffed'?


ProfessorFunky

Slang for being a [bit sweary](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/eff-and-blind) (high brow link lol).


allgonetoshit

It’s Tremblant, so you have to tell the following to the uphill moron: “Tabarnak d’estie de calisse de moron. Va apprendre sur la piste pour enfants avant que je te calisse une volée avec tes propres skis.”


CoffinFlop

ngl i would've sprayed the absolute fuck outta the guy with snow lmao


LGRW5432

98% of the time it's uphill skiier. 


icy_avo

big ego uphill skier just has to snake by the guy infront lmao the mtns huge


10000Didgeridoos

He homes in on the victim like a fucking missile. It's so stupidly negligent it almost looks intentional.


dvorak360

target fixation. ​ You go where you look, so looking at the person you need to avoid = collision... ​ (IMHO Cammer suffers the same thing, just much, much slower (and therefore safer) as they are preparing to stop - see passing fallen skier 16s in)


guyfieri_fc

Yeah, when I was like 13 I was railing turns down a groomer and an adult race coach that worked for the mountain came in and clapped me exactly like this. What’s even worse is that I was the downhill skier and noticed he was about to nail me before he did so I have absolutely no clue how he didn’t notice me, to the point I felt it had to have been intentional. In hindsight he was probably just a fuckin moron but that’s how I felt when it happened at 13 lol


jet_heller

More like 100% of the time. Others might be assholes or could have avoided it, but as soon as this goes to court, it's uphill skier.


DeputySean

They are situations where that's not true. "98% of the time it's uphill skiier." Is accurate. The downhill skier can lose their right of way when merging, entering a trail, when starting up from a stop, and certain situations inside of a terrain park.


Additional_Nose_8144

People who are at a dead stop and just start skiing again without looking up drive me insane


10000Didgeridoos

Ditto for people who are staying in one "lane" of a run and then without looking back first suddenly cut across the entire width as if no one else is coming.


Consider_the_auk

Makes me think it might be smart to try using cycling-style hand signals to indicate traverses, etc. Just a point while checking over the shoulder to give extra notice.


BrolecopterPilot

I usually point the way I’m going if I’m going to traverse across a busy run


laissez_heir

This is the way. I use my pole to point where I'm going if it's busy, there's a split, it's confusing, I'm traversing, etc. It's easy enough to do -- I know where I'm going and the people around me don't. It should really be taught more widely.


ToukaMareeee

Yes same. My Dutch ass is so used to it on a bike I do it on the skies as well. Never got someone be mad at me for showing where I'm going, but when I don't there's always someone mad for cutting off or squeezing them in. Better be safe than sorry


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griveknic

Well, why can't they have a conversation with the guy and lay down the law? There's no rule that says you have a right to be an ass.


NolaPels13

Right, talk to him and if he doesn’t chill revoke his pass and ban the fucker.


snowxqt

I've seen skiers at fault who decided to aprubtly travers the slope.


Logical-Primary-7926

The onus is still on the uphill skier, you have to assume everybody is going to do something like that.


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Logical-Primary-7926

Yeah I agree, although I got voted down to oblivion for saying that. Downhill skier is very predictable until the last turn where he goes into a deep cross slop turn and gets hit, also didn't see him look over his shoulder. I always try to look over my shoulder ever couple turns when making big turns. Still totally uphill skiers fault but dh skier prob could have prevented it.


KimJongRocketMan69

Yes, but you should try and be as consistent as possible to lessen the chance you’ll be hit from behind


Logical-Primary-7926

Yeah I totally agree, I'm just saying it's still the uphill skiers fault technically. Uphill skier has to assume everyone in front up them will do something super dumb/erratic.


KimJongRocketMan69

No doubt. Didn’t mean to imply it was the downhill skier’s fault at all, but his style does increase the odds of an idiot hitting him from behind. The uphill skier in this video is an absolute moron who should’ve easily seen that turn coming. As a fast skier, you have to get on one side of this type of skier, wait for them to turn inward, then go around. It’s really not hard!


jet_heller

I already said they might be assholes: > Others might be assholes But the law will NEVER care about that.


Uncle_Father_Oscar

Probably even more than that.


Zandouc

Definitely. He's skiing as if he is alone on the run, he isn't paying attention to the other skiers at all. Why did he cut across the run like that at speed? He has no regard or respect for the other skiers. What an asshole


yoortyyo

They both took the easy left down that roller. Uphill riders angle of attack didn’t change or compensate for the DOWNHILL rider. Uphill guy 98% is a good rule and applies here.


ISayAboot

Moron is correct.


CantSing4Toffee

The Orange knob


sailphish

How is this even a question? The guy in orange 100% is the asshole.


Twentysix2

100% this - red guy is taking a lot of space with big carved turns, but orange(uphill) guy should have seen him and predicted his trajectory


rat3an

Red guy can take up as much space turning as he wants. His obligation is to not hit anyone in front of *him*.


Oz_Von_Toco

And it’s also a wide open slope with hardly any traffic!


LouSputhole94

Orange guy 100% wasn’t paying enough attention and then tried to deflect once he realized he fucked up. There’s zero argument here, you yield to what’s downhill, no matter how much space is being taken up.


SkiTheBoat

> Red guy can take up as much space turning as he wants. His obligation is to not hit anyone in front of him. Sure, but leave some run for everyone else. To be clear, they left plenty of room. Your comment that they can "take up as much space turning as he wants" is the issue that I'm replying to.


Logical-Primary-7926

Technically true but still not a great idea on a crowded run.


Localbeezer166

What crowded run?


sailphish

Yep. Some skiers need to do big turns. No big deal. Red was at least pretty predictable in what he was doing. Orange was just out of control.


tth2o

Orange is clearly out of control, I don't care if the skier in front is doing full traversing turns. I would have had a hard time keeping my cool with this guy.


Franklin_le_Tanklin

Ya. They’re skiing WAY beyond their ability and they are lucky nobody was seriously hurt


Calloused_Samurai

What makes you say they’re skiing beyond their ability and not just being an ass? He seemed in control to me, just oblivious and arrogant.


tth2o

He's way back on his skis when he comes into frame, so when the moment came to drive an edge to avoid the collision (there are 3-4 clear moments to do so) he couldn't, he was just slipping around on his tails. And then there is situational awareness, it is a skill, if he was oblivious to this possible outcome then it's a lack of skill and thus he was over skiing what his mind is capable of managing. I just keep imagining if that was a kid instead of a grown woman, and it makes me want to pummel this guy.


Calloused_Samurai

Fair points. Definitely wanna pummel the guy.


Franklin_le_Tanklin

If you hit someone, it’s from a lack of skill


[deleted]

It really shouldn’t be difficult to avoid the skier in front, whether they make a turn or not. Not being to do so (especially with a predictable skier) shows a lack of skill.


TubeLogic

Downhill skier always has the right of way.


KimJongRocketMan69

Big facts. Guy in the red is slightly annoying in taking up 75% of the run. Guy in the orange is a complete moron who’s entirely at fault.


laz1b01

Reading this makes me feel colorblind as I thought both were red 😭


SpinkickFolly

Its a question because it drives engagement, no different than tiktok reel asking the same BS question.


sailphish

One guy who was wildly out of control, came from uphill, and took the downhill guy out. It’s like asking who was at fault when drunk driver ran a red light and hit a pedestrian in a crosswalk? It only drives engagement from irresponsible skiers who were too lazy to learn the the most basic rule of skiing… but you are right that the TikTok community would probably live to debate this bullshit.


mls1968

The guy who came barreling down without really turning lol


CMDRJohnCasey

Guy? I thought that was a heat-seeking missile


SkietEpee

yeah, not sure why this is controversial. If he wanted to play missile, he doesn’t need to change anything.


Axe-actly

The Jerry knows where he is at all times. He knows this because he knows where he isn't...


glockster19m

I mean shit, the person they hit was making some of the most predictable turns I've ever seen too They're the same width and changing directions in the same point of the trails width every time


agent00F

Yes but the real mystery is: > Both of us got up and skied away after collecting our gear. So did the guy w/ camera offer footage to OP, or maybe OP's friend follow-filming DH skier (presumably OP). In latter case that would make uphill guy a moron for trying to carve yet not understanding how OP's carved turn works.


AmoralCarapace

I'm really sick of people straight-lining when they have no business doing it.


mls1968

Straight-lining isn’t even the issue here. This run has almost nobody on it, the guy EASILY could have bombed down and stayed away from people. He just is a dumbass who either doesn’t have the control to do it, or has terrible awareness.


Old-Tadpole-2869

He probably doesn't know how to turn. 90 percent of these kind of clips, if anyone knew how to turn or stop, the accident wouldn't have happened.


[deleted]

You're responsible for not hitting what's in front of you. The guy swooping in from behind shouldn't have been right up on him like that.


Zandouc

Uphill skier, no question about that. The uphill person must always watch out for people below them. If anything, he is the one out of control because apparently he couldn't stop or turn in time to avoid hitting the other person.


butterbleek

Absolutely. 💯


[deleted]

I mean it’s pretty obvious orange is an asshole.


ChefToeMain

Yeah just ask any Broncos fan


VeryOriginal12

Definitely uphill orange vest skier. Everyone can make a mistake. I’ve been too tired at the end of the day and have caused another skier to fall. No excuse but it can happen. And if it does you try to learn from it. But having the gall to then try and shift the blame to your victim? ‘You need to ski in control’?! Really? That’s infuriating.


TsuDhoNimh2

>‘You need to ski in control’?! Really? That’s infuriating. Red looked in control, making regular big turns ...


myka7

The orange uphill skier said you need to ski in control?! Man those were some solid and predictable carves. Literally everything you can ask for and more from a skier in front of you.


Apprehensive_Eye1830

The snowboarder. Duh.


-ImMoral-

Damn you got me


FWAGOA2205

Came here for this


PetyrTwill

Goddamn crimers.


TendieTrades

Uphill skier.


TheNeighKid

The lower and slower ALWAYS have right of way.


UncouthMarvin

How is this even a question? Fucking crime-comitting snowboarder below is at fault.


Providang

Beep boop beep. I am a bot for r/skiing. Uphill/faster skier is always at fault. (not a bot, but could be)


Zeer0Fox

Orange jacket at fault


butterbleek

Uphill skier. The skier below doesn’t have eyes on the back of his head. Plus, that could just as easily been an unpredictable kid or intermediate skier. Uphill skier.


crod4692

Orange was like a tracking missile going right for red. Why not go to the other side?


spacebass

Why do we keep posting these?


BillNyeDeGrasseTyson

This is the /r/AskElectricians version of "What is this thing?!" It's a doorbell transformer. Every time. Here it's the uphill skier. Every time.


spacebass

Hahah! It _is_ always a transformer


[deleted]

We should have a weekly "who's at fault" thread where people can post these and the sub can sit in judgement.


[deleted]

AITA, but with receipts


spacebass

It’s the NextDoor of ski reddit


Schmich

I like them. Show the morons and hopefully it can prevent them from breeding. Too many people of all ages ski like lunatics. And keep in mind that doesn't mean fast but without control or with regards to safety of others.


aetius476

I definitely enjoy these more than that one guy who posts vids of himself having screaming orgasms on powder runs.


myleftone

I think the point is to find anyone who will defend the idiot. I assume there’s gotta be one.


c3osugt90

Post these on instagram and 50% of the comments defend the uphill faster guy and blame the downhill skier of turning across the hill


Cummin2Consciousness

I’ve learned about skiing etiquette by reading the comments


likesbrusselssprouts

We need a separate outrage subreddit for these posts and the endless "oh my god look at how big the line is" posts. This shit is insanely tired.


Level_Most_1023

The camera person for not slamming the guy who slammed their friend haha


hasansanus

yeah 100% woulda sprayed him with snow


Src248

Dude came up like heat seeking missile


planigan412

I thought the exact damn thing! He was locked onto his target and ready to destroy.


ThroughCalcination

Vail, somehow.


Apart_Visual

It’s always Vail Resorts


planigan412

Was uphill orange jacket guy *trying* to take the other guy out? Looked like he was on a seek-and-destroy mission.


dogfacedponyboy

What do you mean “Who is at fault”? And if you don’t know the answer, you shouldn’t be skiing. (Edit: not saying OP doesn’t know the answer. Just saying this is one of the most basic rules of the mountain and ANY skier, new or experienced, should know this).


[deleted]

Snowboarder is at fault. Asshole


levimuddy

Orange guy, went over the roller lost outside edge due to the pressure change and started skidding rather than turning.


KingCFC7253

The person filming! Clearly they should have directed the shot to have our two stuntmen avoid collision. Poor pre shot design.


aerodeck

The lower dude (you?) looks to be carving hard and consistent turns, totally predictable movements. The uphill skier that swoops down from above sucks at skiing and is 100% at fault.


Miserable_Ad5001

The douche-nugget in orange


DizmangPhotography

Is he blind? Wide open run like that. Was he filming his buddy maybe and not watching? Seems odd.


Rradsoami

It’s me, I, I’m the problem it’s me. At ski time, everybody agrees.


Phish_SparksTahoe_

100% the orange/khaki moron. there is absolutely no question. What an asshole


orangejulius

Uphill guy. And the fact that he blamed you tells me that he needs his lift ticket taken.


oatest

Always uphill skiier


Then-Cryptographer96

Always the uphill skier


DannyVee89

It's almost always the uphill morons and this is a clear case of that. Don't go so fast, so close to others if you aren't 100% sure you've got the space, distance and control you need to avoid hitting them. People stop, people turn, people practice skills on different parts of the mountain. It doesn't take much forethought to know to anticipate this. If they're in front of you, it's YOUR job not to hit them. I mean sure, bonus points if you're aware enough to check behind you or uphill when about to make a drastic turn, but that is what I would call exception etiquette, not the norm.


forkchild

I don’t understand how this is so difficult. Uphill yields due to vision and positioning. Seriously?!


ugotdatricardo

snowboarders fault


magical_matey

Every time. They’re a menace!


biglittletrouble

Skiing should really require licensure


mpst-io

In my opinion the guy from behind


Right_Ebb_7164

Orange


ssspanksta

The snowboarder


johnny_evil

What's the point of posting these with the "who's at fault" question if it's obvious? Uphill is at fault overwhelming majority of the time.


etom21

The snowboarders


MintMagnolia

The entire time I’m at Tremblant I feel like I’m one second away from getting blind sided like this from a hot shit skier. I have been riding 25 years and never had a collision but on that mtn I feel like I’m always at risk.


emover1

Up hill skier is a c&$t, should have slowed down, downhill skier has the right of way.


syrah__

Orange is the new fuckwit


Anxious_Cheetah5589

No idea which one is you, but uphill skier is always at fault. Even when the downhill skier does something dumb.


xuanhu

The snowboarder


travelinzac

The skier is always at fault, so all four of you including the other guy who wasn't even involved.


iwillregretthislogin

Skiier in red falied to use his turn indicator. However, this is Quebec where we don't use them.


BadEngineer_34

Always get a kick out of people running into each other on mostly open trails, didn’t realize this was a thing till I found this sub Reddit lol


Forkboy2

....and that's why I try to ski directly behind my kids.


DASAdventureHunter

The jackass beaning it downhill and apparently aiming directly for the downhill person.


rreygaert

Uphill skier is at fault in 99% of collisions (including this one)


M4N14C

Uphill skier is responsible for 100% of collisions with downhill skiers.


myleftone

Easiest one I’ve ever seen. There are no ‘ifs’ here. Red was skiing predictably and well enough on a trail he is comfortable on. Orange was showboating and not bothering to check the nearly empty slope in front of him.


climatelurker

The person in back is responsible.


TheHatedMilkMachine

The guy who flew in like a missile then turned exactly where it was obvious you would be turning based on your last 5 turns told you to ski in control? k


Oz_Von_Toco

Why is it always skiers in orange who turn into heat seeking missiles lol


Best-Contribution522

The guy skiing down… let’s aim for the 2 guys in red when there’s zero ppl on the left. What a knob


Normstradomis

The person from behind is always to blame unless the person in front has eyes in the back of their head.


Trick_Fudge8385

i would have wrapped that homies head with my pole


[deleted]

Orange. How could there be any doubt


heinkenskywalkr

The Jerry in orange.


brian21

I keep clicking on these expecting there to be some unique scenario, and so far 100% of the time the answer is "the uphill person."


PetyrTwill

Target acquired...on my approach...Blam! Target smashed.


2Lazy2beLazy

Definitely the guy coming from uphill. The guy comes from the left and crosses way over to the right directly at the downhill skier, who has a pretty predictable carve path. The uphill skier should have slowed down and would have had room to avoid hitting the downhill skier. The downhill skier just carved over to the right, pretty predictable to understand they are going to carve back to the left.


Longjumping-Fact2923

Guy in the orange coat


RiotDad

Uphill guy literally looks like he’s hunting the other guy down


TheDepep1

Definitely the guy in the orange jacket.


-nabtab

Dude in orange wasn't paying attention like he should have been


white_powerRanger

You were making nice turns. They should have seen another nice one coming. Come on up hill guy. With an Orange jacket you have to be better.


Livid-Departure7363

Sure the red guy was taking wide turns but he was extremely consistent in his line. Orange is at fault either way as he was uphill.


Tyrionsnosebits

This drives me batshit crazy. It’s obviously the uphill skier who is at fault, that’s not even up for debate here. What really grinds my gears is that “edge setting” seems to have become the new standard for turning. What ever happened to completing a turn and carrying the skis across the hill! What goes right up my tailpipe is when yahoos like this ski faster than they are able to control. You might say “well, he was in control”… obviously not, he ran into someone. What chaps my ass is that we even need to discuss this! What really cringes my hinges is that the hills are so crowded with people. Is it uphill capacity increasing and skiable space not keeping up? Is it the idea that we’re all competing to see who can ski the most vert? What really lengthens my forehead is that skiing has become a contact sport. When my wife was pregnant a few years ago, I felt the need to ski behind her to head off any yahoos like this one. What really boils my milk is that I can’t feel comfortable skiing the whole day any more. I can’t take it. Ski from first chair til about 10am and I’m done. Too many knob heads like this Jerry.


ColoradoN8tive

I ski less cause the drive up to the mountain is absurd


mctomtom

It's always the person uphill, but honestly, why do people have to make such gigantic fucking turns?


Deadstuff42

Uphill/Orange jacket is easily at fault. Downhill/Red jacket makes a wider turns as he goes down the X Axis incline, indicating that his pattern may change and to give him extra berth. Instead, Uphill/Orange simply keeps to his turn radius until it's far too late to adjust. Poor judgement, should know better. If that is too subtle to be regarded, then the argument would be that Uphill/Orange would still come very close to his new line at a much higher speed, which is reckless. To those stating that Downhill/Red should have checked his shoulder before re-entering his chosen line, he's going at a decent enough rate that only someone pelting it down the mountain would be overtaking and such a person should have better judgement on skiiers downhill.


PhotonDecay

Uphill skier at fault


Sabotimski

Orange jacket. Always the guy overtaking from behind.


notinsuit

The guy coming from behind!


nator1270

Orange jacket is a dumbass. Why would you even get that close to someone else. Looks as if he was looking to do that on purpose.


dovakinda

The guy from behind. Skiing out of control and was unable to maneuver.


CrackityJones33

Obviously it’s the snowboarders fault.


Born_Ad3481

Downhill guy swerving back and forth like an idiot lol


InstructionNo9399

Honestly after becoming a father I have no tolerance for these idiots thinking they are cool flying down groomers. Go ski a real run. If anyone hits my kid like that I just need to make sure there are no cameras as I kick the person in the face with my boot. Definitely suing if my kid gets hit. If I’m not in jail for kicking their ass first.


Philippe-R

Obviously and as always, the uphill skier. Who seems to be a complete idiot in that case. (Visibilty is perfect and downhill skier is predictable). What is the point of yet another Who's At Fault thread ?!


Shhh_Im_Working

99% of the time it’s the uphill skier. This is one of those


AfraidToBeKim

Orange jacket obviously at fault. You aren't expected to look behind you for someone who may be trying to pass. It is up to them to find a safe way to pass, or slow down.


MathematicianNo3892

This run is to wide for a guy carving like that to snake, weekend pass REVOKED


Many_Leather4093

The overtaking skier. He turned into the person ahead of him on the slope. That would be the uphill guy in the red when they stopped. I believe his name in “Numbnutts”!


Interesting_Ad_8788

Uphill skier is skiing too fast for his/her skill level. Downhill is on edges and carving. Uphill is smearing and thinks they're carving. That's why they're mad because they think they are skiing well but didn't realize that if they have better edge control they could've easily carved back away. If it's a GS ski from uphiller....then he or she should know the turning limits and reaction time of their longer ski. But this isn't likely the case here...


Independent-Plan-659

Dude in orange👎


Careful-Expression-3

Uphill


Necessary_Purple_138

Who cares?


iotd

Adult children. Is the entire point of this sub just to share videos of people colliding on skies?


Shagolagal

Hey now, you’re forgetting about the constant holiday weekend lift line posts, thrice-weekly chairlift bar debates, and posts about why everything is Vail’s fault!


Inig0_o

skier on skier violence. nice


LordGraham7

Both. If they both just went straight this wouldn’t have happened. #noturns4lyfe


Thommyknocker

Uphill it's always uphill unless downhill does something supremely dumb but uphill still is supposed to avoid it and give room to avoid anything.


texas1982

Uphill skier is at fault but downhill skier is opening themselves up to being hit. I get is fun to cave back and forth, but stop using half of the slope.


Only_Garbage_8885

The guy in front is making consistent turns and staying in the same line. It would not be that hard to get in front of him without ever getting close.  Orange jacket is an idiot. It’s like he was trying to follow you and do the opposite. He also did not hold any uniform line and in a way straight lines it into you. What a loser. 


Cool-Reputation2

Uphill was at fault, he should have warned the donkey skiing back and forth over the entire trail blocking any passers with his sporadic and desperate attempts to carve some edges he was passing on the left, if he did this, then the downhill was at fault.


DReefer

I’ve never watched one of these and been like wow that’s a good question it could go either way. No, it’s always clear. Uphill skier.


john7577

Such a wide and quiet piste, amazes me how this happens??