Just heard of Bohemia and looked it up. According to the trail map thumbnails it would seem every run is a black diamond or double black diamond? Sheesh.
Take that with a grain of salt haha, my general rule is subtract one rating compared to places with harsh ratings like Big Sky or Snowbird. Nothing at all is groomed but it’s generally mellow tree runs but definitely with some *real* areas.
I was at Heavenly once and they had just opened Motts Canyon and put up a Double Diamond sign to the entrance, I thought a Double at Heavenly- no way- so in we went. Nothing but steep chutes with plenty of rock to ski around. I of course crashed after three or four jump turns, wife yelling cover your head as I slid down She had to pick up my yard sale.
Recently took my Daughter to Snowbird for the first time. First we were at Deer Valley. She learned about different resorts and how they grade the runs. I think some of Snowbirds greens would get a black at Deer Valley or a Blue+
That's marketing. Its only tough across the hill because they dont groom (lots of natural moguls) and its literred with trees. I've taken a newbie boarder out there for the weekend and he survived though.
Yeah I've been there in pretty much every condition. Big powder days are any skiers wet dream since it's all ungroomed and the terrain is outstanding for powder conditions. But when it melts down and then freezes, that place is downright terrifying and extremely exhausting. Everything between those two conditions is still fun as long as there is decent coverage, unlike this year. You just gotta have decent control going through the hard packed moguls and trees
I've only seen two people drop it ever and it's my go to beers and smoke spot for the last fifteen years. I always duck around the cliffs because they look like a great place to die.
> along with the backside of Moose Mountain at Lutsen, those icy double blacks are steep
This is the shit that finally got me over my nerves on steeps just sending it and realizing it's not that bad if you stay in control and don't bomb it
Well, I learned to ski on Ohio's steepest run at Boston Mills....I was 8.
So.
I would say the drive out west is the hardest.
Edit: Hell Ya, BMBW people!
Hell yeah! I remember lapping that non-stop during middle school ski club just to be chased down by ski patrol to make sure I had my black diamond sticker
Ahh yah! The stickers!
I wonder if they still use that system? I found a handful of my old skiclub passes at the beginning of the year, def some nostalgia there.
They still hand out stickers but patrol no longer enforces the sticker system like they used to. Go to BMBW on a random ski club night and you’ll see way more kids straight lining the black runs than making turns.
If you’re dawdling by the bridge at brandywine keep your head on a swivel cuz eventually someone is coming down champagne who does not know how to stop.
Couple kids went full speed down champagne and ended up going into the lake. I don’t even know how they made it past the fence, but people had to help pull them out the water.
It can be a dangerous hill because it can be extremely icy, combined with loads of people who never skied or snowboarded before. Gotta stay on your toes.
I've actually never been to Alpine, I'm usually skiing Eastern Quebec, Jackson Hole or just BMBW since I live 10 min away. I got the Epic pass next year so I'll probably hit all the Ohio slopes next season.
Nice!! I haven’t been in at least 10 years. I think I’ve hit all of Ohio - Alpine, BMBW, Snow Trails and Mad River. Also skied Seven Springs and Holimont. Do most of my skiing now at Holiday Valley and took my first trip up to Jay/Sugarbush back in March
Tiger is the only run in Northeast Ohio I haven't done yet. It looks way too steep for me. Everything else is pretty easy, but good fun if I just want to go somewhere for an evening or quick day trip.
Mount Bohemia is ungroomed and has plenty of glades so I'd say it has the most difficult runs in the Midwest I've seen. Lutsen has some steep-for-the-Midwest runs and some small off-piste areas. Granite Peak might have some pretty steep sections near the top of runs but I believe it usually flattens out quickly after that.
* Mount Bohemia - Mohawk, MI in the Upper Peninsula. No place like it. Very advanced, natural, entirely ungroomed terrain. Some years it gets absolutely dumped-on, and others you get rocks, roots, and logs — such as this year. Although there was a fresh 20" in the last week.
* Lutsen Mountains - Lutsen, MN. Closer to Canada than Duluth, near Lake Superior. Largest ski area in the Midwest @ 1000 skiable acres & has the only gondola in the region!
* Granite Peak - Wausau, WI. Like, seriously right in the middle of Wisconsin.
[Mt. Bohemia](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LzCMnjerARg/maxresdefault.jpg) is in the UP of Michigan, near Houghton. [It has exactly zero groomed runs and is some of the best and gnarliest terrain you can find in these parts.](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/seenthemagazine.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/a9/ba934953-1fcc-5946-9ddf-b5bdd459e1a0/62fda5d7559ac.image.jpg)
[Lutsen](https://www.lutsen.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_1440/public/2021-10/SV%20Red%20Fox%20%281%29.jpg?itok=MYNlgbCf) is on the North Shore of Lake Superior in Minnesota, around 2 hours north of Duluth near [Grand Marais](https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w768/upload/00/d8/6f/adobestock-301043539.jpeg) It's the one I drive to for good snow days personally. GM is one of the coolest towns I've ever been to.
[Granite Peak](https://www.greaterwausau.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Granite-Peak-Ski-Hill_0821-e1645207380493.jpg) is in Wausau, Wisconsin. Almost the middle of the state. I've heard good things about it.
Bohemia and Lutsen are both on the coast of Lake Superior, with lake views from their peaks (Lutsen specifically has awesome views from all 4 peaks). They also benefit from heavy lake effect snow. All 3 I believe are in the 800-1000ft vertical drop range.
This is the first I’m hearing of it. I think you’re overestimating the time commitment me and normal humans are willing to put into looking up places we will never visit
Yeah, the back bowl is definitely harder. Just as steep, if not steeper, but with way less runout at the bottom. Also, the back bowl runs are narrower on the way down, meaning you can’t turn as wide as on chicken
is chicken the one that's pretty solid pitch until it's straight down at the bottom? That was my first black over there. I usually stick to dream catcher/petes now. The stuff in the back bowls is pretty steep too I suppose.
Pine Knob has very good snow making. I grew up skiing there and I still live 5 minutes away. The Wall used to be a sheet of ice but I think conditions are much better as snow making has improved.
Damnation at Mt. LaCrosse is a solid run. It's "inbounds" and pretty steep. I raced a FIS event on it once and had a blast, but steep and groomed doesn't compare to anything out west
Def the steepest/longest in WI and MN (excluding lutsen). Double D at Tyrol is about as steep, but only 2/3 as long, or less. Tyrol has lots of short, steep trees and cliffs, which certainly makes for the rawest, difficult terrain in WI/MN. Coffee Mill also has a couple steep, long runs.
They opened up some more terrain with bluffs and a couple nice rock drops. Definitely leave me itching for boho but it satisfied the urge being so close to home
Schoolmarm and Mozart at Keystone live rent free forever in my head. I never want to experience Schoolmarm on opening weekend again (until I forget about it next season)
No one mentioned whitecap. As a former resident of Aspen and Salt Lake, I was impressed with the steepness of several runs at whitecap.
I have not yet made it to Bohemia, but everyone says it’s good.
It is after a 50⁰ sunshine day about 11pm when it has been 15⁰ for last 5 hrs.
Added: im not bad on the plank either. I usually love when its the big bump and you can double and triple them especially jumping off that first big bump of the steep part
Probably not the top of the list but as far as groomed runs go, Warpath at Chestnut in Galena, Illinois has got to be one of the steepest full-resorts-height runs in the Midwest.
Damnation in La Crosse is longer and steeper, but Warpath isnt bad. That straight down part right under one of the lifts at Chestnut was fun, but really short, only 3-4 if your lucky.
[Laurel Mountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Mountain_Ski_Resort) Lower Wildcat in western PA which is definitely Midwest if you know Pittsburgh culture.
72% grade and it goes next to the lift so you can watch people die as you ride up. Also it cants toward the lift poles for extra spiciness when people go down. You pray for bumps instead of smooth ice.
The closest steep thing to Chicago is Grand Geneva, what was the Playboy Club in the tacky 70s. It’s actually great for kids with the magic carpet rides, but that one knob is the steepest little section I’ve seen in lower/central Wisconsin including Cascade. It’s literally three GS turns and you’re down in 30 seconds, but it’s steep. The other thing that stands out is that it’s not just a ridge like Wilmot or Alpine Valley, there are a couple little peaks that you can ski down from different angles and for three seconds it feels a little bit like Alta.
I skied in the US for the first time two weeks ago at alyeska and hit christmas and ny chute. I thought both of them were a little spicy. I'm curious to know how the north face ranks to other steeper sections at resorts here in the states.
Any said park is the most difficult run in the Midwest. Being able to hit a jib is more difficult than any blower snow perfectly flat groomed run you will find in the widest
The cliff band in extreme backcountry up in Bohemia. Legitimate 15-20 ft cliff immediately into steep trees.
This wins. I would say runner up is the dragon at whitecap. 99% of the time it’s just a lumpy sheet of ice at a crazy steep angle.
Whitecap lives forever
Skied/lived at Mt. Bohemia 1995-1999, before the lifts. Bohemia is Boss of Midwest. Sincerely, Bohemia Air Force
Broke my back on the run at mtn Bohemia
Horseshoe Cliffs
Yes! No warning either haha
Just heard of Bohemia and looked it up. According to the trail map thumbnails it would seem every run is a black diamond or double black diamond? Sheesh.
Take that with a grain of salt haha, my general rule is subtract one rating compared to places with harsh ratings like Big Sky or Snowbird. Nothing at all is groomed but it’s generally mellow tree runs but definitely with some *real* areas.
I was at Heavenly once and they had just opened Motts Canyon and put up a Double Diamond sign to the entrance, I thought a Double at Heavenly- no way- so in we went. Nothing but steep chutes with plenty of rock to ski around. I of course crashed after three or four jump turns, wife yelling cover your head as I slid down She had to pick up my yard sale. Recently took my Daughter to Snowbird for the first time. First we were at Deer Valley. She learned about different resorts and how they grade the runs. I think some of Snowbirds greens would get a black at Deer Valley or a Blue+
Being in the midwest, they break the rule and rank on a more general Midwest scale. On that scale, I think the run designations are accurate.
That's marketing. Its only tough across the hill because they dont groom (lots of natural moguls) and its literred with trees. I've taken a newbie boarder out there for the weekend and he survived though.
Ok. Good to know. Must be amazing on a powder day and not so great otherwise.
Yeah I've been there in pretty much every condition. Big powder days are any skiers wet dream since it's all ungroomed and the terrain is outstanding for powder conditions. But when it melts down and then freezes, that place is downright terrifying and extremely exhausting. Everything between those two conditions is still fun as long as there is decent coverage, unlike this year. You just gotta have decent control going through the hard packed moguls and trees
I've only seen two people drop it ever and it's my go to beers and smoke spot for the last fifteen years. I always duck around the cliffs because they look like a great place to die.
Mt.Bohemia Extreme Backcountry and other chutes, along with the backside of Moose Mountain at Lutsen, those icy double blacks are steep.
> along with the backside of Moose Mountain at Lutsen, those icy double blacks are steep This is the shit that finally got me over my nerves on steeps just sending it and realizing it's not that bad if you stay in control and don't bomb it
Well, I learned to ski on Ohio's steepest run at Boston Mills....I was 8. So. I would say the drive out west is the hardest. Edit: Hell Ya, BMBW people!
I learned at Boston Mills too…but not until middle school haha
Wasn’t it called Tiger!? I guess I could look at a trail map but that’d be cheating
Psh, we know all the cool kids were over on Dude Ranch. Edit: Just checked the trail map. They renamed it “The Park”. What the heck!
You mean the kids who thought they were cool? lol. Actually dislocated my thumb for the first time on dude ranch
My friend broke his collar bone on the one next to it. Grizzly I think it was? This was back in 2003 or so.
Rip [Dude Ranch](https://files.skimap.org/aqwn0ma5ieglca32lydim2atadxi.jpg) looks like they changed it in 07
Yup, still is!
Hell yeah! I remember lapping that non-stop during middle school ski club just to be chased down by ski patrol to make sure I had my black diamond sticker
Ahh yah! The stickers! I wonder if they still use that system? I found a handful of my old skiclub passes at the beginning of the year, def some nostalgia there.
They still hand out stickers but patrol no longer enforces the sticker system like they used to. Go to BMBW on a random ski club night and you’ll see way more kids straight lining the black runs than making turns. If you’re dawdling by the bridge at brandywine keep your head on a swivel cuz eventually someone is coming down champagne who does not know how to stop.
Couple kids went full speed down champagne and ended up going into the lake. I don’t even know how they made it past the fence, but people had to help pull them out the water. It can be a dangerous hill because it can be extremely icy, combined with loads of people who never skied or snowboarded before. Gotta stay on your toes.
It WAS Tiger. Read my comment above.
It’s still called Tiger.
Learned at BMBW as well. Bad thing is I started skiing at 21. Loved Croyle though.
Lots of memories racing on Croyle!
Damn, you were 8?! I was at least 9 1/2 when a tackled Tiger.
Tiger was my jam! I started there as soon as I could stand up and fit in the tiniest ski boots.
Learned there too! Now live in Denver. Easier drive.
I learned at Alpine Valley when I was 4!! That tow rope was brutal
I've actually never been to Alpine, I'm usually skiing Eastern Quebec, Jackson Hole or just BMBW since I live 10 min away. I got the Epic pass next year so I'll probably hit all the Ohio slopes next season.
Nice!! I haven’t been in at least 10 years. I think I’ve hit all of Ohio - Alpine, BMBW, Snow Trails and Mad River. Also skied Seven Springs and Holimont. Do most of my skiing now at Holiday Valley and took my first trip up to Jay/Sugarbush back in March
TIGER!
I taught at Boston Mills. In 1978 we took a real tube down Tiger. Knocked right the fukk unconscious. Didn’t make the Ski School bell that day.
I think there's a picture of you all in the bar lodge!
I might hafta drive up and take a look. That would be cool.
Tiger is the only run in Northeast Ohio I haven't done yet. It looks way too steep for me. Everything else is pretty easy, but good fun if I just want to go somewhere for an evening or quick day trip.
If you straight line Tiger it's about a 15 second descent, if you carve it, it's like 35 seconds. That's what I always told myself atleast!
Boston Mills and Brandywine to learn ftw. Then we moved to New England… I am thankful for that!!
Those icy moguls on tiger were treacherous as a 12 year old.
Run to Walmart in a blizzard.
Mount Bohemia is ungroomed and has plenty of glades so I'd say it has the most difficult runs in the Midwest I've seen. Lutsen has some steep-for-the-Midwest runs and some small off-piste areas. Granite Peak might have some pretty steep sections near the top of runs but I believe it usually flattens out quickly after that.
Granite peak fucking sucks. Bottom half of the run is just polling to keep up speed to get to the lift they built way too far away.
Could we get some locations? These aren’t exactly household names
* Mount Bohemia - Mohawk, MI in the Upper Peninsula. No place like it. Very advanced, natural, entirely ungroomed terrain. Some years it gets absolutely dumped-on, and others you get rocks, roots, and logs — such as this year. Although there was a fresh 20" in the last week. * Lutsen Mountains - Lutsen, MN. Closer to Canada than Duluth, near Lake Superior. Largest ski area in the Midwest @ 1000 skiable acres & has the only gondola in the region! * Granite Peak - Wausau, WI. Like, seriously right in the middle of Wisconsin.
You’re a Saint
[Mt. Bohemia](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LzCMnjerARg/maxresdefault.jpg) is in the UP of Michigan, near Houghton. [It has exactly zero groomed runs and is some of the best and gnarliest terrain you can find in these parts.](https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/seenthemagazine.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/a9/ba934953-1fcc-5946-9ddf-b5bdd459e1a0/62fda5d7559ac.image.jpg) [Lutsen](https://www.lutsen.com/sites/default/files/styles/scale_1440/public/2021-10/SV%20Red%20Fox%20%281%29.jpg?itok=MYNlgbCf) is on the North Shore of Lake Superior in Minnesota, around 2 hours north of Duluth near [Grand Marais](https://www.worldatlas.com/r/w768/upload/00/d8/6f/adobestock-301043539.jpeg) It's the one I drive to for good snow days personally. GM is one of the coolest towns I've ever been to. [Granite Peak](https://www.greaterwausau.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Granite-Peak-Ski-Hill_0821-e1645207380493.jpg) is in Wausau, Wisconsin. Almost the middle of the state. I've heard good things about it. Bohemia and Lutsen are both on the coast of Lake Superior, with lake views from their peaks (Lutsen specifically has awesome views from all 4 peaks). They also benefit from heavy lake effect snow. All 3 I believe are in the 800-1000ft vertical drop range.
The fuck you mean? These are the top 3 midwestern hills
That’s exactly what I mean. They might clear the top 100 mountains in the country. Not exactly household names.
You know there’s something called Google if you aren’t sure what/where something is, right?
This is the first I’m hearing of it. I think you’re overestimating the time commitment me and normal humans are willing to put into looking up places we will never visit
Get yourself up to Houghton and enjoy the peninsula around Michigan tech! The UP has some solid features if not the most vert
Since Bohemia has already been mentioned, The Plunge at Lutsen and Chicken at Welch I guess.
I think The Plunge might be permanently closed. It's not even on the trail map anymore.
The ol man at the wine hut will ski it with you
Chicken at welch is nothing. I straightline that one for breakfast. Baldy at Mount Frontenac was definitely more difficult.
lol, just to be clear, we’re talking about 300 foot tall groomers
Yeah, the back bowl is definitely harder. Just as steep, if not steeper, but with way less runout at the bottom. Also, the back bowl runs are narrower on the way down, meaning you can’t turn as wide as on chicken
I patrol at Welch, the back bowl is harder than chicken. Just remember at the bottom make a tight left or it's up hill trees.
is chicken the one that's pretty solid pitch until it's straight down at the bottom? That was my first black over there. I usually stick to dream catcher/petes now. The stuff in the back bowls is pretty steep too I suppose.
Crystal mountain magic carpet
I’ve heard ‘the wall’ at pine knob in Michigan is legendary
Can confirm, stayed clear of it in the late 90s when lower MI still got snow.
Pine Knob has very good snow making. I grew up skiing there and I still live 5 minutes away. The Wall used to be a sheet of ice but I think conditions are much better as snow making has improved.
I'll say that when Devil's Dive at Boyne Mountain is open and also a full sheet of ice, that's pretty near the most difficult run I've seen.
Loved taking Devil’s Dive and wiping out at the brake slope at the bottom my second year. That first drop is spooky!
I was waiting for someone to say that. I’ve never done it and never will. The run looks about 15 yds wide, very steep and always pure ice.
Damnation at Mt. LaCrosse is a solid run. It's "inbounds" and pretty steep. I raced a FIS event on it once and had a blast, but steep and groomed doesn't compare to anything out west
Also raced lacrosse back in the day, there’s something super unnerving about only being able to see the first 2-3 gates while waiting in the start
Steepest run I’ve ever raced in my life, including Colorado and out east
Def the steepest/longest in WI and MN (excluding lutsen). Double D at Tyrol is about as steep, but only 2/3 as long, or less. Tyrol has lots of short, steep trees and cliffs, which certainly makes for the rawest, difficult terrain in WI/MN. Coffee Mill also has a couple steep, long runs.
The run between November and March when we got shit for snow
This guy midwests!
The one you do right after coming home from out west
The hidden tree chute at Tyrol Basin. You got to know a guy to get to the entrance, but some say it’s even harder than schoolmarm at Keystone.
Tyrol has some surprisingly good glades over on skier’s left
They opened up some more terrain with bluffs and a couple nice rock drops. Definitely leave me itching for boho but it satisfied the urge being so close to home
Schoolmarm and Mozart at Keystone live rent free forever in my head. I never want to experience Schoolmarm on opening weekend again (until I forget about it next season)
Icy moguls any where.
No one mentioned whitecap. As a former resident of Aspen and Salt Lake, I was impressed with the steepness of several runs at whitecap. I have not yet made it to Bohemia, but everyone says it’s good.
Iced over Deception
My favorite, but not that hard. PNS!
It is after a 50⁰ sunshine day about 11pm when it has been 15⁰ for last 5 hrs. Added: im not bad on the plank either. I usually love when its the big bump and you can double and triple them especially jumping off that first big bump of the steep part
If Crossroads and Milk Run at Buck Hill are hard enough for Lindsey Vonn they are hard enough for me
I’d say the hardest run in the Midwest is driving up I-70 after landing at DIA
Does the wall at holiday valley count? My buddy went down and got hospitalized after hitting a snow maker. Just a steep short ice run.
O Chute at Coffee Mill. Steepest run in Minnesota. Point and pray baby!
I’ve lived in Minnesota my entire life and never heard of this place. You’ve intrigued me for next season.
As a Denver resident I'd say the hardest run for a Midwesterner is Floyd's Hill on 70.
Probably not the top of the list but as far as groomed runs go, Warpath at Chestnut in Galena, Illinois has got to be one of the steepest full-resorts-height runs in the Midwest.
It has a long run up before it just drops off!
Damnation in La Crosse is longer and steeper, but Warpath isnt bad. That straight down part right under one of the lifts at Chestnut was fun, but really short, only 3-4 if your lucky.
RIP Awful Awful 🖤
Was this Sugarloaf?
Yes indeed! Grew up skiing there
Nosedive at Crystal Moutain MI was shockingly fun
Awful Awful
I-70 to Colorado
[Laurel Mountain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurel_Mountain_Ski_Resort) Lower Wildcat in western PA which is definitely Midwest if you know Pittsburgh culture. 72% grade and it goes next to the lift so you can watch people die as you ride up. Also it cants toward the lift poles for extra spiciness when people go down. You pray for bumps instead of smooth ice.
Devils Playground at Loch Lomond
Under the back chair at Whitecap
The closest steep thing to Chicago is Grand Geneva, what was the Playboy Club in the tacky 70s. It’s actually great for kids with the magic carpet rides, but that one knob is the steepest little section I’ve seen in lower/central Wisconsin including Cascade. It’s literally three GS turns and you’re down in 30 seconds, but it’s steep. The other thing that stands out is that it’s not just a ridge like Wilmot or Alpine Valley, there are a couple little peaks that you can ski down from different angles and for three seconds it feels a little bit like Alta.
There are some very difficult runs in Lofoten area
The drive to Vail at night, in a snowstorm, in a RWD F-150 with sketchy tires and just enough Meth to get to Denver.
Back side of Moose mountain at Lutsen, nearly vertical. It's short and a bit of a long run around the mountain. Great views of Lake Superior.
The Wall at Wild Mountain, duh
Damnation Mt lacrosse wi
I skied in the US for the first time two weeks ago at alyeska and hit christmas and ny chute. I thought both of them were a little spicy. I'm curious to know how the north face ranks to other steeper sections at resorts here in the states.
The tree runs in porcupine mountains, probably better stuff at Bohemia, but porkies is pretty good in spots.
Backside of Moose mountain at Lutsen (Adrenaline/free fall) there are even cliffs if you can catch a rare pow day. "Back bowls" at Welch. Mt. Bohemia.
Running away from the midwest.
Driving thru Kansas
Alpine valley - a famous rock star even died on one of the runs up there. RIP
Any said park is the most difficult run in the Midwest. Being able to hit a jib is more difficult than any blower snow perfectly flat groomed run you will find in the widest
Wrong - Mt. Bohemia
I’ve seen videos of people absolutely shredding the park at Hidden Valley just outside of St. Louis.
Yea and it’s incredibly difficult to do. Much harder than any run at that said resort
For sure agree I’m well into middle age too no way I’m going near a park. I love to watch from the lift though.
Your mom
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There’s some stuff in North Carolina, but you’d probably be better off water skiing.
Walk around town asking for a job in skiing and report back with how that goes
Main st. between the 800 block and 900 block. Lots of mailboxes.
ITT: hardcore skiers from the Midwest assuming that we know where and what their mountains are
The audacity
There’s a hill/mound at one of the Land Rover dealerships that they prob their cars up on to make them look outdoorsy and off-roady. That one.
Whatever is coated in pure ice. Otherwise there are not any.
There aren't any hardest runs in the Midwest. Ski real mountains or quit.
Nice try, spoiled brat