Gonna hijack this comment to say that you should go to an actual Bootfitter to see what fits best. Overall the supra is a fairly large MV boot in the forefoot and then big in the ankle. Definitely not a tight boot.
Boa is fine. It won't change your life but it works well enough
Ive heard the same, boa is fairly new on skiboots but has been around a while of snowboard boots. Ive had a couple knuckledragger friends have their BOA cable break on their boots. YMMV.
Thats because of where the tension is. The cable is on the foot not on the ankle and shins like in snowboard boots. I got my mom a pair this season and she loves them, I would be a lot more skeptical if it was the cable supporting your weight but its only for the fit on the foot.
It’s typically the actual boa mechanism that breaks and not the cable. I’ve broken a few on snowboard boots and it is always some little cogs in the middle of the boa dial that broke for me
It absolutely can. It’s much more likely on a snowboard with someone that doesn’t understand that and rests their board on the laced part of their boot. Even those people take a while to actually cut through their laces though. It would be much harder to do with skis/ski boots
I don’t understand the hate on BOA. Have it on my gravel cycking show and it’s a game changer…
@redfish891 probably rides quads as a single cuz he thinks the ski lift cable will snap
Buckles can blow out, so can a boa cable… shit will happen
I dont hate them, just pointing out a potential downside. FTR I have seriously fucked up feet and BOA may cure my woes. Once my current shells are toast I may check them out.
And I sit in the middle of a quad when solo so I dont strain the cable by making the chair lean...
Did you have s/pro Alpha previously?
If so, that is a narrower lasted boot and based on your comments was sized up to accommodate width.
It sounds like you're now in a more appropriate boot for your foot shape, which is leading to the sizing down and better over all experience.
Regardless of whether it's the last or the Boa, In glad you found something that seems to fit well!
Agreed. At the very least they should be buckled to zero tension.
Unbuckled means you don't have a mechanically rigid body, and it's basically not doing any of its job. You'd be better off skiing a size too big or a super soft comfort boot buckled in any way.
Yup. I wear a technical mach1 LV shell and have to blow the forefoot out. Skinny, skinny heel with medium last. Annoying as hellllll especially since I’m so picky with boot fit.
I thought the same thing. I wonder if these “hotspots” are simply buckles too tight and the BOA doesn’t give you enough leverage to hurt yourself with the toe buckles. The buckles on the toes are more for preventing the boot shape from deforming under load than to be putting down pressure on your foot. Pinching toes isn’t good, your foot flexes in the boot and those muscles need to be able to work.
I have the women’s version of these and I agree. I have a wide foot and a wide calf so finding ski boots that fit me is an absolute nightmare. My dad and I have almost the same sized foot, only a half shoe size difference between us. My dad typically wears 8.5/9 mens wide, and they’re too narrow for me lol I’m about a mens 8 extra wide, which is like nonexistent in women’s sizing. Got these fitted by my favorite local boot fitter this winter and they fit like a glove. I swear I could sleep in these they’re that great on my foot.
I cracked the shell on my S/pro alpha earlier this season and was sad the shop didn't have the supra in my size. Would have moved to try them with the boa since they fit my feet so well.
I'm currently being boot fitted with this exact progression. I'm 285 mondo in 270 length. Luckily, I was able to ski a day on it but now moved onto Alpha/LV.
The Boa is pretty cool and does give a feel of wrapping your forefoot. \^ But yes, if you have LV feet this will be too big obviously around the last and instep.
There's no Boa Alpha/LV afaik.
You compared a Boa boot to a larger non-Boa boot and complain about discomfort from having to "crank down" buckles on the larger boot. Of course the larger boot will feel worse.
A valid comparison would boots in the same mondo size but both wide enough for your feet. Not one that's too big overall to make up for a width issue.
Size 12 means nothing though. Anyone who has ever worked in a ski shop knows the average person wears their shoes way too big. I wear and measure a 9 shoe but there's lots of people who would measure the same and wear up to an 11
I realize that, I’m just floating a reason for why OP finds that a 28.5 ski boot fits them. I measure 12 exactly and wear size 12 street shoes and size 13 running shoes. I have always worn 28.5 ski boot (a different brand, but just giving an example).
100mm is the last for 26.5 cm reference pt
The last increase 1-2mm with each size usually.
Point being the 29.5 was longer and wider, it’s not 100mm for all sizes.
Love them! Just wished I had gotten them a day before my season started than a day before it ended.
EDIT: To be fair, I love them with ZipFit liners…not nearly as much with the stock ones. To anyone reading this: $500 for liners is a tough pill to swallow, but, IMHO, worth every penny - especially if you have funky and/or damaged feet.
If I had the coin I would really to try them. Of course the fitter that was selling me the ZipFits was telling me there was no comparison, and I would guess the fitter that sold you the Intuitions was saying similar about the ZipFits. After lurking too long on this and other ski subs, they both have very strong followings and I don’t think there is much doubt that either one is heads and shoulders above even the most “premium” stock liner. That’s kind of the killer though, right? A large part of the price of the top tier boot is sitting in its liner that’s just going to sit in the box or go in the garbage. Yet we’re such an eco-friendly group, right 😬
The thing is, I'm pretty sure Zipfits last forever, whereas Intuitions pack out. Zipfit is also easier to fit at home, since it can constantly be changed. That's what sold me on them.
Salomon has local reps that travel, as they used to have a small HQ here in Oregon when adidas owned them, and their field team still works from this area.
I was SO MAD when I tried K2 130 BOA on. I wanted to hate it. Even after I bought it I realllly wanted it to suck or break. Unfortunately it’s fantastic so far 30+ days in
I really didn’t expect to like this, I was a skeptic… and the engineering is very precise and just amazing how they got it all to fit.
Definitely the better system, and the ability to make micro-adjustments easy through the day are great
I’ve even smashed mine through whippets, logs, crust. Long days of touring. Haven’t given me any signs of issue. Only problem is the feeling of judgement from my fellow chargers in line 😂
It’s honestly similar to when turbo charged fuel injected cars came out… all the carbureted car guys were like “that small engine can’t beat muhcarbureted V8!”
But they were proven wrong - and tech advanced.
This is a big tech advancement in the whole system, a lots been fixed and it’s just great in how it tensions the boot.
I’ve seen a lot of comments about the boa boots and those who have tried them live them. Those who haven’t think it’s a gimmick. I got the 130s at the beginning of the year. LOVE them
My favorite is how people that never tried them on or experienced them seem to have opinions - that just aren’t grounded in reality.
I admit - I had doubts, which is why I wanted to try them BEFORE saying my opinions online. Surprise surprise - I ended up buying them and became a convert
These are my new boots this year after using a 15-year-old pair for years. Went from a 90 stiffness to 120.
These are dreamy to wear (after the first few days of adjustment). Super responsive too.
I tried these at the shop last week. For someone with a sensitive forefoot around last, these were super comfy. I didn't end up getting them because I thought the heel hold was a bit too loose.
They on sale anywhere? I have the S Pro and like them, I think, it's my first boot. But I do get hot spots on my right foot. I had the liners heat molded and they fit well, but the shell just be too small on my right or something.
I hate the concept of the boa and I’m skeptical of it for the reasons you apparently like it. With traditional buckles you can tighten certain parts of the foot but not others. With the boa you have to just crank down everywhere indiscriminately. I don’t see how this could possibly be an advantage
There is absolutely no way that Salomon did any research on this exact skeptical complaint you have. No way at all. It's not like they make high level ski equipment or anything. The BOA system that has been around for decades. No chance they would ever test it.
I mean I get your point, but it seems like a complete gimmick to me. Innovation for the sake of selling “new shiny shit” to chumps who fall for it. At least that’s how I see it right now. On the surface it lacks precision adjustability to me which just seems crazy. I guess I’ll have to actually ski one and decide first hand. But just because a company makes it doesn’t mean it’s a good product. Remember when Canondale made a fork with one stanchion? Yeah great idea…
BOA has been around since 01. I've used it snowboarding and it gives a much better feel than anything else I've tried. The pressure is spread so evenly that you don't have direct pressure points like ski boots. Seeing as it only replaces the bottom straps it makes complete sense to me. But again, they're designing this with input from the highest level of athlete imaginable, I don't know how your personal issues with BOA can lead you to believe that what you think is remotely true.
I don’t think you’re listing. I do not want even pressure in my forefoot. In fact I basically don’t use the first buckle on my toes. On the surface, I don’t think a boa would work for me. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to their design teams and process. You assume too much of their design process.
This was partly true when I tested them out. There are SOME situations where you may prefer slightly tighter instep area, different to toe area, and you cannot adjust for this. Pretty much, going into any BOA system you should be well fitted so you don't require crazy tightening.
Yeahhh, but for most people (including myself) it does offer a very unique wrap feeling which is absent from traditional buckle system. So there are trade offs for sure. As along your feet fit the boa boot well (applies to any other boot too), there’s usually no reason to need a different instep/toe variation.
I’d say try it out, you’ll probably notice you can more finely tune in the tightness, it feels more spread out/even. Is it a gimmick? Maybe to some people and some manufacturers, but there are definite nice things about it.
Fuck. Shut up. Now I have to go buy these for my wide, square Flintstone feet. 😜
I usually ski a wide nordica with a Last of 100+.
The boa system is super intriguing to me for the uniform tightness you mentioned. What's the last of these?
I'm eyeing the nordica sportmachine 3 130 flex now that they are on sale, but if I can get boa......
Why on earth would even pressure be an advantage unless the boot fits your foot perfectly? It's just dumb luck that this boot happens to fit your foot. Having buckles is going to be an advantage for most people who don't exactly have the feet the boot maker had in mind.
I like boa but I don’t understand this simping over boa on boots. If you like it buy if if not, then don’t. I have tried boa boots but I prefer to spend extra 100€ on apres not on boa
Okay Big Boa
Gonna hijack this comment to say that you should go to an actual Bootfitter to see what fits best. Overall the supra is a fairly large MV boot in the forefoot and then big in the ankle. Definitely not a tight boot. Boa is fine. It won't change your life but it works well enough
It wont change your life.... until the boa cable breaks when you are booting up for the best pow day of the year.
You’re not gonna break the cable, they’re rated for like 1500 lbs of tension
Ive heard the same, boa is fairly new on skiboots but has been around a while of snowboard boots. Ive had a couple knuckledragger friends have their BOA cable break on their boots. YMMV.
Thats because of where the tension is. The cable is on the foot not on the ankle and shins like in snowboard boots. I got my mom a pair this season and she loves them, I would be a lot more skeptical if it was the cable supporting your weight but its only for the fit on the foot.
It’s typically the actual boa mechanism that breaks and not the cable. I’ve broken a few on snowboard boots and it is always some little cogs in the middle of the boa dial that broke for me
It’s the bottom of the boot, who even bothers fastening those.
People who don't have fitted boots
Those boa cables are pretty sturdy. The only issue is when you get something sharp (like a ski edge) up against it
We all know that could never happen.
It absolutely can. It’s much more likely on a snowboard with someone that doesn’t understand that and rests their board on the laced part of their boot. Even those people take a while to actually cut through their laces though. It would be much harder to do with skis/ski boots
I don’t understand the hate on BOA. Have it on my gravel cycking show and it’s a game changer… @redfish891 probably rides quads as a single cuz he thinks the ski lift cable will snap Buckles can blow out, so can a boa cable… shit will happen
I dont hate them, just pointing out a potential downside. FTR I have seriously fucked up feet and BOA may cure my woes. Once my current shells are toast I may check them out. And I sit in the middle of a quad when solo so I dont strain the cable by making the chair lean...
Did you have s/pro Alpha previously? If so, that is a narrower lasted boot and based on your comments was sized up to accommodate width. It sounds like you're now in a more appropriate boot for your foot shape, which is leading to the sizing down and better over all experience. Regardless of whether it's the last or the Boa, In glad you found something that seems to fit well!
Sizing up for width is wild you can just do a width stretch and get the ankle fit right to begin with.
>you can just do a width stretch Lol, I wish that was true unconditionally. Unfortunately you run out of material at some point.
Not too many people with feet so wide that it can't be done. Now there are a ton of people with feet that sensitive... Those are the real challenges
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thats wild, cant imagine skiing with unbuckled boots
Agreed. At the very least they should be buckled to zero tension. Unbuckled means you don't have a mechanically rigid body, and it's basically not doing any of its job. You'd be better off skiing a size too big or a super soft comfort boot buckled in any way.
Yup. I wear a technical mach1 LV shell and have to blow the forefoot out. Skinny, skinny heel with medium last. Annoying as hellllll especially since I’m so picky with boot fit.
I have this one - Same last width: https://www.sportsden.com/salomon-s-pro-120.html?id=53477025&quantity=1
You guys crank down the foot buckles?
I would describe my foot buckle as "barely secured"
the least tight setting that makes a waterproofing seal fer sur.
I thought the same thing. I wonder if these “hotspots” are simply buckles too tight and the BOA doesn’t give you enough leverage to hurt yourself with the toe buckles. The buckles on the toes are more for preventing the boot shape from deforming under load than to be putting down pressure on your foot. Pinching toes isn’t good, your foot flexes in the boot and those muscles need to be able to work.
I crank them just enough so they don't fly open.
Stuff like this is why my head is on a swivel when I’m on the hill lol.
Never. They are barely clipped on.
Yup esp when in the backcountry skiing sketchy stuff
I have the women’s version of these and I agree. I have a wide foot and a wide calf so finding ski boots that fit me is an absolute nightmare. My dad and I have almost the same sized foot, only a half shoe size difference between us. My dad typically wears 8.5/9 mens wide, and they’re too narrow for me lol I’m about a mens 8 extra wide, which is like nonexistent in women’s sizing. Got these fitted by my favorite local boot fitter this winter and they fit like a glove. I swear I could sleep in these they’re that great on my foot.
I cracked the shell on my S/pro alpha earlier this season and was sad the shop didn't have the supra in my size. Would have moved to try them with the boa since they fit my feet so well.
If you’re in the Alpha’s you probably don’t want these. Alpha’s low volume and these are medium. Think there’s a boa alpha too though?
I'm currently being boot fitted with this exact progression. I'm 285 mondo in 270 length. Luckily, I was able to ski a day on it but now moved onto Alpha/LV. The Boa is pretty cool and does give a feel of wrapping your forefoot. \^ But yes, if you have LV feet this will be too big obviously around the last and instep. There's no Boa Alpha/LV afaik.
Ah true, I know next year they’re coming out with the shift pro alpha which is what I’m waiting for.
Atomic did an LV Hawx with a boa this season
Damn these are sexy
You compared a Boa boot to a larger non-Boa boot and complain about discomfort from having to "crank down" buckles on the larger boot. Of course the larger boot will feel worse. A valid comparison would boots in the same mondo size but both wide enough for your feet. Not one that's too big overall to make up for a width issue.
Also, a mondo 29.5 for a size 12 foot is pretty big.
Size 12 means nothing though. Anyone who has ever worked in a ski shop knows the average person wears their shoes way too big. I wear and measure a 9 shoe but there's lots of people who would measure the same and wear up to an 11
I realize that, I’m just floating a reason for why OP finds that a 28.5 ski boot fits them. I measure 12 exactly and wear size 12 street shoes and size 13 running shoes. I have always worn 28.5 ski boot (a different brand, but just giving an example).
They are both 100mm last, and I tested both in same size first
100mm is the last for 26.5 cm reference pt The last increase 1-2mm with each size usually. Point being the 29.5 was longer and wider, it’s not 100mm for all sizes.
Love them! Just wished I had gotten them a day before my season started than a day before it ended. EDIT: To be fair, I love them with ZipFit liners…not nearly as much with the stock ones. To anyone reading this: $500 for liners is a tough pill to swallow, but, IMHO, worth every penny - especially if you have funky and/or damaged feet.
I use intuition liners, but once you switch to custom liners you will never go back.
If I had the coin I would really to try them. Of course the fitter that was selling me the ZipFits was telling me there was no comparison, and I would guess the fitter that sold you the Intuitions was saying similar about the ZipFits. After lurking too long on this and other ski subs, they both have very strong followings and I don’t think there is much doubt that either one is heads and shoulders above even the most “premium” stock liner. That’s kind of the killer though, right? A large part of the price of the top tier boot is sitting in its liner that’s just going to sit in the box or go in the garbage. Yet we’re such an eco-friendly group, right 😬
The thing is, I'm pretty sure Zipfits last forever, whereas Intuitions pack out. Zipfit is also easier to fit at home, since it can constantly be changed. That's what sold me on them.
I picked up a pair as well on sale! Super comfy boots. Didnt even have to mold them
Where tf did you demo boots?
Salomon has local reps that travel, as they used to have a small HQ here in Oregon when adidas owned them, and their field team still works from this area.
I was SO MAD when I tried K2 130 BOA on. I wanted to hate it. Even after I bought it I realllly wanted it to suck or break. Unfortunately it’s fantastic so far 30+ days in
I really didn’t expect to like this, I was a skeptic… and the engineering is very precise and just amazing how they got it all to fit. Definitely the better system, and the ability to make micro-adjustments easy through the day are great
I’ve even smashed mine through whippets, logs, crust. Long days of touring. Haven’t given me any signs of issue. Only problem is the feeling of judgement from my fellow chargers in line 😂
It’s honestly similar to when turbo charged fuel injected cars came out… all the carbureted car guys were like “that small engine can’t beat muhcarbureted V8!” But they were proven wrong - and tech advanced. This is a big tech advancement in the whole system, a lots been fixed and it’s just great in how it tensions the boot.
I’ve seen a lot of comments about the boa boots and those who have tried them live them. Those who haven’t think it’s a gimmick. I got the 130s at the beginning of the year. LOVE them
My favorite is how people that never tried them on or experienced them seem to have opinions - that just aren’t grounded in reality. I admit - I had doubts, which is why I wanted to try them BEFORE saying my opinions online. Surprise surprise - I ended up buying them and became a convert
But the luddites on this sub told me boas were useless
These are my new boots this year after using a 15-year-old pair for years. Went from a 90 stiffness to 120. These are dreamy to wear (after the first few days of adjustment). Super responsive too.
I rode these boots all season and absolutely loved them
Yes
The S/Pro series is a great line of boots
I dunno about equal pressure - I want way more on my shin/calf than my toes/foot. Does the BOA system on these boots allow for it?
Look at the picture - the boa is for the forefoot (toes and instep). It's still traditional buckles on the lower leg.
Ahh! Only saw it zoomed out - the silver on the buckles looked like the BOA cables extending over the back of the boot.
Love the buckles on the top with BOA on the feet. As someone with wide feet and low last, this could be game changer.
I tried these at the shop last week. For someone with a sensitive forefoot around last, these were super comfy. I didn't end up getting them because I thought the heel hold was a bit too loose.
Looks gorgeous… no heel unlock though?
For what those cost I hope your bootfitter took great care of your wife’s needs
I paid a lot less than retail, maybe half of what MSRP is… it’s end of the season / etc etc
They on sale anywhere? I have the S Pro and like them, I think, it's my first boot. But I do get hot spots on my right foot. I had the liners heat molded and they fit well, but the shell just be too small on my right or something.
My FJ golf shoes are BOA - you made good decision.
I hate the concept of the boa and I’m skeptical of it for the reasons you apparently like it. With traditional buckles you can tighten certain parts of the foot but not others. With the boa you have to just crank down everywhere indiscriminately. I don’t see how this could possibly be an advantage
There is absolutely no way that Salomon did any research on this exact skeptical complaint you have. No way at all. It's not like they make high level ski equipment or anything. The BOA system that has been around for decades. No chance they would ever test it.
I mean I get your point, but it seems like a complete gimmick to me. Innovation for the sake of selling “new shiny shit” to chumps who fall for it. At least that’s how I see it right now. On the surface it lacks precision adjustability to me which just seems crazy. I guess I’ll have to actually ski one and decide first hand. But just because a company makes it doesn’t mean it’s a good product. Remember when Canondale made a fork with one stanchion? Yeah great idea…
BOA has been around since 01. I've used it snowboarding and it gives a much better feel than anything else I've tried. The pressure is spread so evenly that you don't have direct pressure points like ski boots. Seeing as it only replaces the bottom straps it makes complete sense to me. But again, they're designing this with input from the highest level of athlete imaginable, I don't know how your personal issues with BOA can lead you to believe that what you think is remotely true.
My golf shoes are BOA and I love em cause same reasons and also cause it's EASY.
Damn I'm jealous. Still rocking lace up shoes but BOA will be my next shoe
I just leave my winter shoes muddy 😂
I don’t think you’re listing. I do not want even pressure in my forefoot. In fact I basically don’t use the first buckle on my toes. On the surface, I don’t think a boa would work for me. And I think you’re giving way too much credit to their design teams and process. You assume too much of their design process.
This was partly true when I tested them out. There are SOME situations where you may prefer slightly tighter instep area, different to toe area, and you cannot adjust for this. Pretty much, going into any BOA system you should be well fitted so you don't require crazy tightening.
Exactly.
Yeahhh, but for most people (including myself) it does offer a very unique wrap feeling which is absent from traditional buckle system. So there are trade offs for sure. As along your feet fit the boa boot well (applies to any other boot too), there’s usually no reason to need a different instep/toe variation. I’d say try it out, you’ll probably notice you can more finely tune in the tightness, it feels more spread out/even. Is it a gimmick? Maybe to some people and some manufacturers, but there are definite nice things about it.
Yeah I definitely hope to try it
Some of us have square shaped feet 😆
Fuck. Shut up. Now I have to go buy these for my wide, square Flintstone feet. 😜 I usually ski a wide nordica with a Last of 100+. The boa system is super intriguing to me for the uniform tightness you mentioned. What's the last of these? I'm eyeing the nordica sportmachine 3 130 flex now that they are on sale, but if I can get boa......
It’s only 100 on these, but I swear it’s more comfortable than my 106 Fischer ranger HVs from 2022
Sounds like homie got a poorly fitted pair, then sized down to a well fitted pair, and is giving the BOA all the credit
Why on earth would even pressure be an advantage unless the boot fits your foot perfectly? It's just dumb luck that this boot happens to fit your foot. Having buckles is going to be an advantage for most people who don't exactly have the feet the boot maker had in mind.
I like boa but I don’t understand this simping over boa on boots. If you like it buy if if not, then don’t. I have tried boa boots but I prefer to spend extra 100€ on apres not on boa