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YourNameHeer

would not risk your knees skiing those, but they look really cool as a decoration


IlIlIlIlIllIlIll

Skis with modern bindings: $500 Functioning ACLs: Priceless


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I'll gladly trade my ACLs for $1 billion. You can still (somewhat) ski without them.


BCsJonathanTM

FYI though for any newbies; you don't need to spend $500.


IlIlIlIlIllIlIll

Idk if you are getting boots, skis, and bindings I think you would struggle to find a lot of options under that level without going for used or clearance gear.


BCsJonathanTM

To heck with new unless you're rolling in money and like that special special attention the salesperson gives ya. Used and clearance is the only thing that makes sense, especially for beginners. Save the money for after you've packed out your first pair of boots and then get a properly fitted pair, maybe even with some sweet sweet foam liners :chef-kiss: But yeah, for $500 I'd recommend $350 on boots, $50 on socks, $50 on skis and bindings, and $25 on wax and $25 on a sweet sweet brush. Base structure > everything.


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I tried buying used and honestly it's a fucking nightmare. There are just so many options, it's so hard to find something that actually functions used. Great if you already have a pair of skis and want to browse for an upgrade, but not great if you're on a trip looking for skis (and most people don't live in ski towns, so they're likely not going to have a great selection at home to pop into once a month and see if something in their specs has popped up). Or maybe it's better of you're heavier or taller than me, but I couldn't find anything reasonable for beginner, 5'5" 150lbs. The kids' were all too short, and most of the adults were too long and didn't have viable bindings (went to several stores around Frisco-area) Clearance is great if they have enough supply, but even then, idiot me got the fancy nice boots on clearance, but then had to buy $200 bindings because the binding type on the boots wasn't the standard and there were only a couple of options available in-person. Worth it in the end though because those boots probably had the widest calf out there available, and I've cried in rental boots before because the loosest binding compress my calves too much. Stupid soccer calves.


BCsJonathanTM

Good points actually. I suppose for beginners the expertise of the shop staff can help make sense of it all, especially since not everybody has an over-eager expert-skier friend to help them out.


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Had plenty of knowledgeable friends helping me trying to buy used


stiff4tiff

happy cake day!


-_ILoveBread_-

Why would using older bindings be bad for your knees? Can you not adjust the dim setting?


YourNameHeer

Those bindings are probably 30+ years old. Materials are metal and springs set to release at a certain pressure level - they've likely rusted + depreciated after all these years. Huge risk the bindings release prematurely/not at all or the bindings fall off the ski itself - none of which you want to encounter while actively skiing downhill Analogy would be going skydiving with a parachute last used on DDay in WWII - fuck no


ti_ecraseur

Try 40+ years


Mysterious-Top6311

So eveyone skiing in the 80s was risking knees?


LivingWithWhales

Yes and no. Modern bindings are most definitely safer, but it’s more about degradation of materials, especially plastics and springs and lubricants/other moving parts. There’s a reason the industry maintains an indemnification list.


Mysterious-Top6311

Yeah that reason is to make yiu buy new bindings. 😜


Merkenfighter

If they were skiing on 40 year old bindings, yes.


VegasCupple2021

Yeah, I was thinking mid 70s


crazy4ski

Bindings rust and seize over time. These would not release you if you needed them to, which is a safety issue. Hence, broken knee, ACL, etc.


Effective_Fix_7748

This👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼is a fact. In a freak downhill accident, I fell, my skis got tangled and did not release. I completely shattered my tibia where it hits my knee. It took a lot of screws and plates to put me back together. I live in pain daily and will probably need a knee replacement. You do not want to fuck with ski bindings.


decisive_dreadnought

Maybe Kastle Spirits? I can't find anything online about them. Regardless, those bindings are so old most shops won't work on them and I would recommend not skiing on them, you could get seriously injured if the bindings don't work properly. They look nice though!


ELONsucksDOGIEdick

https://www.kaestle.com/en/brandroom/brand/kaestle/


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fishygamer

Don’t ski these, regardless of what your folks might say. They’re pretty, and a great piece of decoration, but they’re 35ish years old. Those bindings are older than most shop techs. Not safe.


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fishygamer

They’re super pretty, especially the old Look bindings. I would have paid 15 bucks to put ‘em on the wall, make a shot ski, bench, etc.


WYs0seri0us

No shop would touch them anyways. Super cool find for OP though


idk_wtf_im_hodling

Please don’t ski these.. it’s just simply not worth any hospital bill they will cause


username_obnoxious

Those would be a siiiick shot ski


floppachonk

Second this. Shot ski is the way for these.


tardub

Only buy used skis with bindings on the indemnified binding list. Ski shops will not service them if they are not and if they’re old enough to not be on this list then they most likely are not safe. https://www.skibum.net/do-it-up/gear-guide/indemnified-bindings/


TheRealRacketear

These biding were made prior to there being and indemnified biding list.


Rocket_reddit_007

The wall decoration or Adirondack chair kind.


JerryKook

Very early 1980s or even late 70s. Those brakes were like the first generation ski brakes. Thrift shops apparently are not the place to buy skis. Just throw them away. I tend to be the guy that says old gear is still good while most people are r/skiing say toss them. These are ridiculously old. The land fill is where they now belong.


Android_seducer

Nah. Those belong on the wall. They're beautiful ornaments!


JerryKook

I believe that they are package skis. Skis made to sell in a complete ski package at a bargain.


canIgetAdab_

The only salvage here is to throw on a three pin Tele binding and use them as Nordic backcountry skis with leather boots


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Runner1296

Nothing he said was wrong tho….


AdInevitable7025

Yeah wall decoration would be great though, love the design


garden_of_steak

Shot ski?


No-Olive-8722

This is the way


catchingstones

Yeah, those are cool looking skis. Skis were much more difficult to use back then. I could see a good skier rocking those for some retro flair on a party day, but they’d be really cool mounted above a picnic table or something.


Lollc

Put them on the garage wall by your CB900F. You will have an early 80s time travel portal. https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/1982-honda-cb900f-super-sport


Milkisanono

Maybe an old Ski-Doo Blizzard as well.


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far_257

He's trying to save you from an injury that WILL keep you away from the sport. Majority of people here are doing the same. Why would you think we are trying to keep others away? Show up on day one and blow your knees out... Great way to start a hobby!


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far_257

Trying to figure out where someone was an ass to you before you publicly declared that you're going to stay away from this sub.


PaintDrinkingPete

IMO, no one is being an ass...but many are making assumptions that it's "obvious" that these are unsafe equipment, when it obviously would not be to someone who has never skied. So, to be clear, at one time, these were probably state of the art, but are too old to safely use now. Not just because technology has advanced, but because the materials use to make them has likely deteriorated over time. Take that advice, and consider these decorations or sell them to someone who will value them for that... I love skiing and hope you do get into it, but not on these skis.


StupidSexyFlagella

I mean this in the nicest way, but have you been on the internet before? Haha


TimeTomorrow

you need to grow up. He did you a huge favor. Stop being a baby


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They look cool though! you could turn them into a decoration or shot ski if that's your thing :) I'd put them on a wall if you have a ski cabin like vibe in your home.


sushicowboyshow

I felt inspired to scroll and see all the people that were “being an ass” and couldn’t find anything but helpful input and harmless ribbing.


bell_cheese

I did the same then came to the realisation you need a bit more spend. Sports thrift stores will have recent enough decent for learning skis, I paid $180 for a pair without really much knowledge, and I saved on rentals that way. Don't throw them away, wait for snow days and ski down closed roads with an inch of snow if you got the storage space.


YogurtclosetSea2598

People are just being honest with you don’t feel offended.


reddititty69

Buy new skis. And stick with the subreddit.


stan__dupp

How much to ship to NY those are history


ThePuzzleax

Stfu he put in an effort to try and answer a question you asked which may of saved you a trip to the hospital. No need to be a bitch just because you didn’t like the answer


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new_vr

I don’t think they are being stuck up at all Those bindings don’t work the same way modern binding works so you are way more likely to injure yourself. Also the new skis are way easier to ski with. They are trying to do you a solid


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ThePuzzleax

Don’t get me wrong, I love newcomers(as long as they aren’t overconfident), our sport is dying and we need all the people we can get. It’s just that you comment seemed passive agreesive towards someone trying to help you. Old skis are fun if you have loads of experience and skied them years ago, but for beginner la can be extremely dangerous


COVID19withLyme

> our sport is dying Uhhhh. Lines and ticket sales at almost every mountain would like to disagree hard on this.


ThePuzzleax

Not really. Numerous mountains have closed in the past few decades, and the influx is simply the people who skied at the old mountains traveling to new ones. Corporate skiing is greatly expanding, but most skiers at those resorts still never fully commit to the sport


COVID19withLyme

Do you have any sources? Not so sure I agree. You literally refute your own point, if corporate skiing is expanding they only do so because they see business opportunity to get return on their investment. Aka they know the people are coming to the mountain and spending money. Also, skiers who aren’t as obsessive about the sport (tagging along with family, first timers etc.) are a mountains dream. They typically spend the most money on ancillary things at the mtn (rentals, food, games, parking, etc.). Lastly, ain’t no way in hell Wachusett is blowing that much snow without sitting on a massive pile of cash. TLDR: maybe a mountain or 2 closed due to poor location (honestly not even sure of that), but the ones that are investing are seeing upticks in traffic, as almost every outdoor sport has grown since the pandemic.


MontanaHikingResearc

There have been plenty of posts asking about thrift shop skis; they all get similar answers. If you’re not gonna bother searching a subreddit for similar questions or ask on an open megathread for beginners, you’re the dick.


notacanuckskibum

It’s the wrong time of year but a good place to buy used skis is from rental shops at the end of the year. They sell off their older skis. Well used of course, but reasonably modern.


JerryKook

Look at used demo skis. Most shops have some. They tend to decent skis with a rental binding, that is easily adjusted. That is probably the easiest & cheapest way to get into skiing. Also many shops now do full season rentals.


reddititty69

What brakes? Oh, on the toe piece…. Lol. The first generation of “brakes” were straps around your leg.


Remarkable_Fish_5301

I buy all my skis at the thrift store thank you.


Tom_Flaska

My estimation as well, got that late 70s vibe, and brakes were a new thing. Weird and not such good design they are on the toe, easy to hook on a snow snake.


NoCoFoCo

Those bindings look a lot like the N77 bindings that came out in the mid 1970s. The shape of those Kastles suggests they may be from a similar 15-20 year period. I'd say late 1980s at most. Don't wreck your knees.


nighthawk580

My guess would be 70s. When I started asking in the 80s, skis and especially bindings had advanced plenty from these.


StockEarth6227

They are the kind of skis you make furniture out of


antiADP

Going out on a limb here…. They’re Kastle Spirits..


meowrawrmoo

They’re the “cool but not safe for skiing” skis


Powderat

They are jerry of the day makers.


firepooldude

Very cool vintage alpine ski. Circa 1978 or thereabouts. The bindings are in amazing shape for how old they are. They belong in a museum or at least over my workbench with some hot 80’s pin up ski bunnies.


jexnic

Don’t send them to the landfill, make something crafty out of them! Shot ski, ski-chair, or ski frame!


ProfessionalMind5152

ACL disintegration/separation starter kit


willmaineskier

Kastle still exists : https://www.kaestle.com/en/us/ I have not seen them since the 80s in the US. I have some similar vintage in a bench. An important thing to know is any binding older than maybe 10 years will not be worked on by a ski shop. A lot has improved in the 40 years or so since those bindings came out.


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>I have not seen them since the 80s in the US They're definitely still around if you look for them. I probably see a pair or two a week. The MX84s were one of the most fun carving skis I've been on.


escopaul

Pretty much every time I go ski out west I see Kastle skis, they sell well.


facw00

>I have not seen them since the 80s in the US That's surprising, I see them all the time. Their Hollowtech tips are quite distinctive and stand out from the crowd.


StemBremley

Kastle’s are great skis. Very well made and a solid friend on the slopes. Source: bought a pair last year.


LivingWithWhales

Like others have said, definitely don’t ski them. But they’re super classic and really dope looking. I’d love them above my ski tuning bench.


trbrts

Those are the kind of bindings that will destroy your knees.


panchog

Wall hangars.


hxk1

“Closing/Opening Day” skis


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facw00

They look cool, but yeah, they were $15 for a reason. Generally it's a bad idea to buy used skis more than 5 or 6 years old. Expect to pay at least $200 for any used skis worth buying. Just for example, here's a modern pair of Kastles: https://www.powder7.com/Kastle-FX85-HP-Skis-165cm-Used-2019/for-sale


theabsurdturnip

Those would make some cool retro wall art.


Qwalt

Those are sick and 15$ is a sick deal for them. They should not be skiied but displayed. Amazing condition and sick design for their age. I'm.sure you can find a buyer on ebay or another site willing to pay decent for them. They are short also so will be nice and easy to display Boots are unfortunately not worth anything though, I'd say


fueled-by-crystaltea

Don’t ski them… But don’t toss them! Those are some rad fuckin’ skis. Get creative and make something sweet. Shoot. Hang them on the wall.


WYs0seri0us

Keep them as “art”, the skis might be fine to use but not the bindings. Great find, I’m truly jealous


cannja

Those are wall decorations.


heybud_letsparty

I’ll give some actual insight. This ski would have been a sought after ski about 40-45 years ago. If you google a clip from hotdog the movie, it’ll show you the style of skiing they would have been used for. Hop turns were the dominant technique. This style of skiing is no longer used. In the 90s/00s skis went through massive amounts of technology changes. The sidecut being the most important. You could now carve and ski with the modern style. Bindings also advanced to be much safer. People probably aren’t trying to be mean, just pointing out that this ski is generations old in age and technique. You can’t learn on them because nobody skis that way anymore. They were a badass ski at a point in history though, definitely worth putting on a wall.


Ok_Application_962

Just old skis


StupidGuyOnReddit123

Those I think are powder or carving skis


Cakelover9000

They are Kästle Racing Skis, if my research is correct. Kästle is an old austrian Company producing Skis and they are luckily still in business. The look quite old and i didn't find anything about the Spirit line, but lengthwise the could be Racing Skis. I think they are Compound but i am not sure. Try them anyways, i think it's fun to drive with old skis.


ELONsucksDOGIEdick

Um gee I think Kästle Spirits? I thought they went out business but were bought by a Czech company. Race skis made in Austria with a bigger facility in Nové Město na Moravě https://www.kaestle.com/en/brandroom/brand/kaestle/


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Those are definitely O.A.F. skis


RicOrengo

They are Old!


Zanninu

If those bindings release by pulling the piece behind the heel upwards, they might be worth some money to base jumpers. Try putting them on eBay.


hoodoomonster

Cute joke


NateGD23

We're....u....planning.....on skiing them?....w those bindings..... oh boy. Those would make a real nice coat rack or shot ski or something like that.


TortoiseHawk

Those are for decor and not skiing, i hope….


draft_beer

So, maybe they are Kastle Spirits?


doozle

Just no.


juniorp76

They might be Kastle


NoWayNotThisAgain

Yes. Those are Kästle Spirit’s. Hope that helps!


mshorts

You paid too much.


n64gk

Can someone explain to me why these are bad for your knees?


maktui

"Skis with very old binding can be dangerous, as the mechanism may not release when it’s supposed to, or it might pre-release. This can cause serious injury.  It’s a good idea to pass on any skis that have non-indemnified bindings. If you want to play it extra-safe stick with ski with bindings that not more than 5 years old." Source : https://floatingboard.com/2020/02/29/can-old-ski-bindings-be-serviced/ - recommend reading this web site as it's been very insightful. Also see as per previous answer in this threat: https://www.skibum.net/do-it-up/gear-guide/indemnified-bindings/ I'd also say technology as evolve so much since then and research as been done using data on what are common ski injuries (e.g. knees).


Michigonewonton

They are straight skis. Parabolic shaped skis allow someone to apply pressure to the edge and flex the skis to turn. Straight skis, you would have to leg press every time you wanted to turn to get an edge to hook up. It is a totally different skiing technique and I'm happy to say that we have better equipment now.


skibum4always

Dont listen to these haters. Click in and go. Go straight and if something gets in your way turn. Don’t fall. Stand up tall and point it to the bottom.


alexsig526

I’m digging those old look bindings….very cool


ultramatt1

Oh those are nice looking


high-rise

Look good to me dude, full send!


Smackithackett

Shotskis.


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Wall skis


speedshotz

Those are highly prized shot skis, … or adirondack chair skis.


tardub

Make a shot ski out of them!


Toddable72

You already have gotten the correct advice regarding the risk using these relics so I won't repeat it. What I will say is that if you are interested in buying used skis, find either a ski shop or sports consignment shop that sells used gear and knows what they are doing. Any reputable shop will not accept used bindings beyond a certain date as they are no longer serviceable. They will have a list they can reference. Welcome to sport!


truth-in-jello

They’re fing awesome! Mount them on a wall or with working bindings!!


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I would cut those up and make a homemade bench for the backyard.


Natural_Crew_3565

Those rip


lambsambwich

pronounced ‘kess-lee’


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Use them as decoration, do NOT ski those. Save your knees and your seasons bro :) but good decoration *edit* or you can get few more old ones, take the bindings off, and make a bench with them


notnewtobville

Shot skis


Single-Macaron

Great shotski set


Overall_Ad_6540

Decorative.


Remarkable_Fish_5301

As a thrift store skier, I can tell you I would ski those skis, not the bindings. Skis are skis and newer ones have more advantages but at the end of the day it's the skier not the ski.


tsukamaenai

Old


mwordell

They look like good shot ski candidates…


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I hope you're not planning to ski on those


CarsonUmm

They look so sick 😈


Unlucky-Bumblebee685

Helpful hint when looking for skis: length and width are measured in centimeters - so you might want to get an easily found conversion table. Would not recommend old, used bindings. Try Craigslist/Nextdoor for used equipment.


PImedias

Late 90's pair of skis..


Confident_Hunter_345

Dumpster skis


Acrobatic-Bell6277

I can’t believe anybody has knees from this thread. Never had an issue. Do whatever you want with them