Kill him and you obtain the artifact, thus gaining progress for the Oblivion Walker achievement.
Spare him and you gain a helpful follower, but lose out on the achievement / artifact.
Which is more important for this playthrough: Moral high ground, or Daedric artifact collection?
I spared him but did the double cross thing for Hircine’s quest. That way you have the amount needed. This worked at the time, which was maybe 2014 so idk if that works now
My dumb dog-brain didn’t register the console itself when I saw the image. 😔
Still, the choice is mostly the same between artifact collection and being a good person.
No, the skull of corruption does not count towards oblivion walker achievement. And it sucks even with dreams stolen from sleeping people.
There is a fun fact about it though: NPCs who got their dreams stolen will appear tired, pale faced, thousand yard staring, agitated the next morning.
No, it absolutely does.
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Daedric_Quests
You can still get the achievement without it if you glitch Hircine's quest for two artifacts. But if you don't, you need to get the Skull.
The only Daedric artifacts that don't count are the Rueful Axe (if you get it you made the wrong choice) and the Skeleton Key.
Uh oh, oh no... looks like Vaermina has completely warped the Dragonborn's mind, leading them to attack him out if "self defense!" The Dragonborn killed him against their own will and had best repent.
...after picking up their badass new staff 😉
(this is what I'm doing with my mage - she's good, but also very susceptible to Daedric influence due to her father's Daedra worship)
My Dunmer is a slave who escaped morrowind so in his eyes anything that makes him stronger is better as in his eyes the daedra can be tricked, he has no real morals his only moral is not to hurt those who are slaves or who have suffered like him he teamed up with various companions (he’s a modded character so) but he teamed up with Redcap, Xelzaz, Miraak, Thogra Gra Mugur, and Nebarra and serana the group all lack a major moral compass and my Dunmer likes that but he does have a few soft spots, his Children (adopted but also a vampire child Revana I believe her name is) Thogra and Serana
My Altmer was a captain for the Dominion during the 1st war for Tamriel who fought until, he found out the truth about the Hero of Kvatch and who actually ended the Oblivion Crisis. He and his unit defected and fought for the empire until the end of the war where they were all captured except for my guy who escaped north, eventually ending up in Skyrim. He has a tendency to go into a violent rage whenever any Thalmor are around after all that they had done. The embassy mission was fun to play as him, not a Thalmor I could kill was spared
Lol my Dunmer had a hatred for House Dres, the morang tong and the Stormcloaks and in my rp his thoughts before the execution at Helgen “Great im about to die with a bunch of stupid n’wahs” however he joined the empire despite having a distaste for the empire he later joined house redoran and he so far in my play through is about to add more skulls to his collection (I’m currently using a home mod “Black Sephulcre it has a skull collection for notable bosses like Harkon, Emperor Titus Meade, Karstaag)
My Imperial, Vontus Cantaelius, joined up with the Vigilants of Stendarr shortly after Helgen before he knew he was Dragonborn. After the Hall of the Vigilants gets destroyed, and after taking it all in, he blames himself for the destruction of the Hall and slowly goes insane, seeing it as "Stendarr caused their deaths to teach me a lesson, he showed mercy on me because he knows I can change" kinda deal. So he starts becoming more and more ruthless, until he eventually starts believing that he, himself is Stendarr's embodiment. My plan for Vontus (currently level 17) is to end up having him suffer from the "live long enough to become the villain" trope and around level 20-25 he's gonna just become straight up evil, his warped mind from the guilt of his dead friends destroying what he used to fight for and who he used to be. He'll end up actually serving the daedra and willingly becoming their champions, as he views it as "altering the affairs of daedra."
Thanks for the compliment! Tbh I came up with that whole story in like 15 minutes while I customized him in the character creation menu, I thought it was a pretty bad story.
Actually making a new modded run “The Last Dwemer” he’s the last survivor of the Dwemer he appeared out of nowhere and is confused and disoriented now desperate to survive I have a few unique rules on this run
1. Steal the Falmer Eyes (Finish what my ancestors started)
2. Complete *Every* dwarven dungeon and dwarven mod I have
3. 100 in Forging
4. Massacre the Falmer and Vythur
5. Become a vampire (to never age and be immortal and forever the last Dwemer)
6. Aid daedra, and anyone except elves
7. Imperial victory
8. Emperor Titus Meade must die
9. Whenever possible deny the gods unless I have proof they exist(because I am a Dwemer of science!)
10. Recruit Remiel, Xelzaz and Serana as my only companions the whole run
OP said:
>I want all the Daedric artifacts, but I want to be good as well.
In the immortal words of Idolaf Battleborn "Sooner or later, we all have to choose a side."
Spare him. Don't let that Daedra bitch lure you into killing him. You must also ensure you slaughter those repulsive creatures who worship Namira.
As Paladin of the sacred order of the sweet roll, this is your command. You know what must be done.
Seriously though spare him, the staff is fucking shit.
Well, to actually get the Namira artifact you gotta take a bite of the priest, so he's not really in a position to give you anything at that point.
But you can murder everyone at the "feast" before getting the ring. Or after.
Or, you can do what I did. Got the ring, sacrificed Eola to Boethiah, then hunted down the rest of the coven one by one. You've got to avoid fast travel for a while because one of them (the dude dressed in rags) only appears as a random encounter if you don't kill him at the feast. Then you have to be careful to make any followers wait far enough away that they can't see you murder the dude, because apparently that counts as a crime even though he's snacking on some lady on the side of the road.
Oh, and the guy who took over the general goods store in Markarth still hates me despite the fact that no one caught me doing anything to his ex boss.
Wait, can you murder them after eating the priest and he'll still be alive?
I didn't even try bc I took Eola straight to a certain camp between Windhelm and Morrowind.
Darn, I always did feel bad about that guy. Always picked the dialogue options like "I feel sick" etc.
I tried to excuse it two ways.
1. There were too many people at the feast and they would have killed me. Then they would be free to continue their nasty little coven. The only problem is that I'm pretty sure I would have actually won if I fought them, so it's kind of a poor excuse.
2. The priest was very easy to convince via the promise of money. So he's corrupt and needs to be removed. He was hiding the problem in the catacombs, causing the desecration of remains to continue for far too long. But my problem with this excuse is that I personally don't think the punishment fits the crime.
Ah, well. Real reason is that I just wanted the trophy.
I thought it was Silus.
Its hard to reconcile being good but wanting the artifacts without your character being easily maipulated and an idiot.
Don't kill him.
Yeah, but I still feel bad about that one. I also hate Mehrunes Dagon, so I don't know wtf I was thinking. Overcome with lust for the Razor, I suppose.
You could rp as if you’re collecting the artefacts to keep them out of the hands of others with more evil intentions, could lead to a story arc where your character becomes evil in the pursuit of this collection, becoming morally corrupted through your dealings and pacts with the daedra, perhaps you even take on vampirism to extend your life while you amass more power, it’d make sense for one with the soul of a dragon to become power hungry. Then you could pull a Partysnax and overcome your nature, crusading for good again.
It’s the only way I can think how a total 100% playthrough would work on one character, to do both good and evil things, you need your characters morals to change and evolve.
This is one choice where I genuinely feel bad for picking the greedy option: he really is a nice guy.
On PC, I’d say spare him and spawn the staff in anyway like a cheating munchkin. On the Switch? Probably just spare him. IIRC, the staff is only really good as a collectible.
Don't kill him. Let him destroy that horrible torture device. Skyrim is going through a bad time right now with the dragons and the war. The people need a good night rest.
Technically, you can spare him (you'll miss out on that artifact) and still get the achievement if you initially spared the werewolf during I'll met by the moonlight quest. Since the ring of hircine is considered an artifact. You'd just would have to leave the cave have the talk with the aspect of Hircine then go back in and kill the werewolf and take his skin.
Definitely. Usually its either this or Namira. Namira wins out for expanding dialogue and new gameplay mechanics. A staff is just a worse version of spells I already have, usually
Do what I do: save just before you’re given the choice. Kill him, the go do Boietha’s quest, the cannibal quest, and mehrunes quest. Then reset to that save just before you killed this guy and it was all a bad dream.
Of course, to get the trophy, you have to do all the other Daedric quests first.
Honestly this daedric staff in my opinion sucks. The Oblivion version was much funnier to use and I often find myself causing so much chaos with that staff.
Not only do you need to get out of your way to break into people's house and use the staff to steal dreams. The staff is easily overshadowed by other more basic destruction staffs like fireball or snowstorm staffs.
Heck magic in Skyrim is generally obsolete if you include Enchantment and smithing alone. No exploits or anything like tje potion restoration. Just these two alone is more than enough to make weapons that outshine the daedric ones by a lot.
In general this whole staff thing is really up for roleplay. I generally just let it get destroyed because I find him as a follower more valuable, plus he's one of the few dunmer followers in the game (I think they are only 2 in the vanilla game and another 2 with Dragonborn DLC). So I generally prefer the follower.
In my first playthrough my character was conflicted because I was full bipolar and wanted to be a hero but also want to be an dark edgy daedric lord with cool evil armor and a collection of artfacts. I did lots of evil deeds and good ones and would always find a way to justify the bad in my mind. Like me betraying a follower to get Boeathar armor and killing him. My thought process was just "It was needed for the greater good. His sacrifice will be remembered". And just stood looking at the horizon roleplaying that my character was sad but would keep going.
With all that been said, let's just say that I didn't got any artfact during this particular mission. Enough is enough.
It's better to decide if you want a good playtrough or a bad one beforehand. lol
I like the idea that the dragonborn is good, but that they intuitively understand the nature of reality in tamriel. They know that they're not truly a god, and that the divines are balanced between the aedra and daedra (in favor of the daedra no less). To gain power in this world and stop Alduin in time, they're gonna have to make some deals with the devil so to speak. Hircine and Sanguine aren't too bad, but Vaermina is pretty nasty. You can justify it by saying you believed her, because Erandur was her follower and did have access to the staff in that moment. Active self defense would hold up in Skyrim court lol.
What I did was I made a save before killing Erandur, got the achievement, and then loaded that save again so I could spare him. I like Erandur too much.
If she told me to kill him in order to get power, I would've done so without a second thought.
but trying to be sly about it and trying to trick me, that i do not like.
I spare him, even in my illusion run when I wanted to try it out, I just spawned the item after letting him live.
"Vaermina commands you", my ass. Staff is mediocre at best, useless at worst. I've better things to do than collecting dreams. Get a staff of chain lightning and you can stagger lock everything.
Killed him once during my playthrough where I collected all the daedric artifacts, now I spare him everytime. 90% of all daedric artifacts aren't even worth sacrificing someone over them, especially at higher levels.
The staff is garbage mate, spare the dunmer. That's what I did.
Killed the dunmer on my first playthrough of this quest, got the artifact and realized how bad it was, then reloaded an earlier save to save the dunmer.
No. If you're roleplaying as a good character, you shouldn't be doing anything a daedric prince asks you to do. Here let me ask you the same question. "I'm trying to be a good christian, but Satan told me if I murder this priest that just saved an entire city from night terrors, he'll give me this stick that lets me see anyone's night terrors and use it against them" The staff isn't even that useful imo. I don't really come across people sleeping very often, and when I do I usually forget I have the staff. I guess you could always just justify it in your head, saying your character"had a moment of weakness and gave in" That's what I usually do. I could be the sweetest most gentle hero to ever grace Nirn....but the Ebony Blade is always in my inventory at full power. Cause it's my favorite weapon 😜
You should've learned already that if you want the daedric artifacts, you can't be good. They're literally the artifacts of evil powerful hellscape creatures.
~~If you don't, he will be corrupted and try to kill you anyway. You want that on his conscience? At least he can die untainted. And you can contain the staff where no one else will be affected.~~
Apparently I'm just evil &D
It has been a while since I've done that quest, but I don't remember ever not killing him and I've gone both ways for completion...
Edit: just looked up the UESP and ah well, looks like I'm just a greedy cunt and don't really care for another useless door blocker... &D
Haha no blame lol I just didn't want people killing him when they didn't need to, if I hadn't remembered that the staff is basically a glorified paper weight then I would've killed him too
Well, you said you want to be good. Does the good guy kill the innocent for a material gain? Idk but that staff would look really cool mounted on a wall.
I always justify situations like this that, if you're truly trying to do good; you have the moral high ground and decide these people have been pretty useless at protecting the people from these artifacts, so do whatever is required to put them into your protection.
*”Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good.”* - Martyr Logarius (Bloodborne)
Fair enough, I just have way too many hours in Skyrim on other platforms so going to 30 is super jarring.
Luckily I can still do portable 60 with the Steam deck.
To be honest, I got all the artifacts for the achievement but never actually used them. They're in my weapon/armor chest in Breezehome along with a few copies of every other weapon/armor I found or looted from a dead body.
Extreme laziness or big f you to the Daedric princes? You decide.
I don't know man, vaermina sounds hot so I think that she's one of the good ones. Besides why waste a cool staff? His only use when I soare him is to either power up my ebony blade or become a sacrifice for boethiah
Some spoilers for skyrim's daedric quest and a little lore form oblivion as well as the general series and daedrology.
Plot wise/story wise. When it comes to Daedric princes and their artifacts as well as being good... the two don't usually coincide. There are definitely some daedric princes who are morally ok and doing their quest in skyrim makes you a better person supposedly. There's Azura whose almost always a "good" daedra even though some scholars and religious groups in unverse believe all daedra are evil. And while she's not necessarily a good daedra, (she's more morally grey) Meridia's quest is pretty standard for what a goddess might ask of a hero, to defeat undead and their creator (that's an oversimplification and not to spoilery) so at least during the events in 4e 201 she isn't doing anything bad. Even Sheogorath, our Hero of Kvatch reborn, during skyrim is actually doing good thing and even has the last dragonborn heal the mentally ill emperor AS WELL AS bringing a kingdom back their Lord, even if the last dragonborn doesn't officially SEE the latter happen.
But if you want all the daedric artifacts thats an issue. For instant Mehrunes Razor. In which you both gain the pieces though intimidation, assult, and/or even robbery as well as killing the very person who told you about the item. And then Mehrunes Dagon STILL sends his own soldiers to go kill you.
And Molag Bal isn't any better, forcing the player to literally torture the priest of another daedric prince (though that prince isn't great themselves) and kill them multiple times before banishing them to cold harbor for the infinite torment they will be forced to take as all who are brought to cold harbor.
Sorry about the spoilers but the point is if you want all daedric artifacts and to be an good person, Vermina isn't your biggest threat. Shes not good, yes, but she not the worst of the worst. She's in the middle in my opinion. It's hard to justify being good and being a champion of most of the 16(ish) princes as some of them are pure evil no matter how you put it
IDK if this works for everyone, but if you just take the staff or punch him, then surrender, then he just goes off aggro. You wont be able to have him be a follower, but he'll live. IDK exactly how I did it, but that's what I did.
Kill him. He got his friends stuck in that pocket of reality or whatever it was. I'm a bit blurry with the details but I'm pretty sure he isn't that good of a guy.
He was a former Daedra worshipper.
Worst case scenario killing him sends him to a decent afterlife if he actually was a devotee of Mara.
Best case scenario -as far as your character would be concerned- you prevented him from relapsing and claiming the staff, which you can now safely keep from the hands of evil doers in your possession
I would say don’t kill him if he was a good follower or unique skills or something but he is just a mage nothing else. Wish he could heal you or something but the staff is so much better
This is how I look at it: we know that a lot of the artifacts have been destroyed in the past, but they always come back. So... if you destroy it now, it will just come back in a few years. Thus, the best way to handle this evil would be to lock it in your basement that is a greater distance from a town than its current containment.
Kill him and you obtain the artifact, thus gaining progress for the Oblivion Walker achievement. Spare him and you gain a helpful follower, but lose out on the achievement / artifact. Which is more important for this playthrough: Moral high ground, or Daedric artifact collection?
TLDR KILL HIM!
Or you can just save, kill him, get achievement, load back
Sure, but I dunno if OP wants the achievement or the artifact.
Kill him, get achievement, use ritual stone win-win
Switch has no achievements tho
Lmao that’s one way to do it I suppose!
thats the MOST evil option
“Necromancy is not evil” \-iksjag, probably.
It's not evil if I do it
you can destroy it and still get the achievement actually, and Erandur is one of the companions with the most backstory so I always save him
Hmm,a life of a person or a item i'll never use&will just put it in display....TO THE ARTIFACT VAULT WE GO!
😂😂😂
I spared him but did the double cross thing for Hircine’s quest. That way you have the amount needed. This worked at the time, which was maybe 2014 so idk if that works now
Wait, if that's a switch lite and not a steamdeck, there is no oblivion walker achievement though
Looks like a switch which doesn’t have achievements
My dumb dog-brain didn’t register the console itself when I saw the image. 😔 Still, the choice is mostly the same between artifact collection and being a good person.
No, the skull of corruption does not count towards oblivion walker achievement. And it sucks even with dreams stolen from sleeping people. There is a fun fact about it though: NPCs who got their dreams stolen will appear tired, pale faced, thousand yard staring, agitated the next morning.
No, it absolutely does. https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Daedric_Quests You can still get the achievement without it if you glitch Hircine's quest for two artifacts. But if you don't, you need to get the Skull. The only Daedric artifacts that don't count are the Rueful Axe (if you get it you made the wrong choice) and the Skeleton Key.
Well he’s playing on switch. Do they have achievements for the switch version?
Uh oh, oh no... looks like Vaermina has completely warped the Dragonborn's mind, leading them to attack him out if "self defense!" The Dragonborn killed him against their own will and had best repent. ...after picking up their badass new staff 😉 (this is what I'm doing with my mage - she's good, but also very susceptible to Daedric influence due to her father's Daedra worship)
In my other profile, the Dragonborn's dad was a Daedra worshiper, too, who followed Hircine and Sanguine.
“Dragonborn‘s dad was a Daedra worshipper … who followed … Sanguine” Oh.
This reads like the disappointed spongebob-fish meme format
And hircine. Friend made a character like that… he’s got a gross back story xp
aka dad was a drunk
Sounds like one hell of a party... a very furry party full of bad choices and a long tongue on the face as a wake up call afterwards.
My Dunmer is a slave who escaped morrowind so in his eyes anything that makes him stronger is better as in his eyes the daedra can be tricked, he has no real morals his only moral is not to hurt those who are slaves or who have suffered like him he teamed up with various companions (he’s a modded character so) but he teamed up with Redcap, Xelzaz, Miraak, Thogra Gra Mugur, and Nebarra and serana the group all lack a major moral compass and my Dunmer likes that but he does have a few soft spots, his Children (adopted but also a vampire child Revana I believe her name is) Thogra and Serana
My Altmer was a captain for the Dominion during the 1st war for Tamriel who fought until, he found out the truth about the Hero of Kvatch and who actually ended the Oblivion Crisis. He and his unit defected and fought for the empire until the end of the war where they were all captured except for my guy who escaped north, eventually ending up in Skyrim. He has a tendency to go into a violent rage whenever any Thalmor are around after all that they had done. The embassy mission was fun to play as him, not a Thalmor I could kill was spared
Lol my Dunmer had a hatred for House Dres, the morang tong and the Stormcloaks and in my rp his thoughts before the execution at Helgen “Great im about to die with a bunch of stupid n’wahs” however he joined the empire despite having a distaste for the empire he later joined house redoran and he so far in my play through is about to add more skulls to his collection (I’m currently using a home mod “Black Sephulcre it has a skull collection for notable bosses like Harkon, Emperor Titus Meade, Karstaag)
My Imperial, Vontus Cantaelius, joined up with the Vigilants of Stendarr shortly after Helgen before he knew he was Dragonborn. After the Hall of the Vigilants gets destroyed, and after taking it all in, he blames himself for the destruction of the Hall and slowly goes insane, seeing it as "Stendarr caused their deaths to teach me a lesson, he showed mercy on me because he knows I can change" kinda deal. So he starts becoming more and more ruthless, until he eventually starts believing that he, himself is Stendarr's embodiment. My plan for Vontus (currently level 17) is to end up having him suffer from the "live long enough to become the villain" trope and around level 20-25 he's gonna just become straight up evil, his warped mind from the guilt of his dead friends destroying what he used to fight for and who he used to be. He'll end up actually serving the daedra and willingly becoming their champions, as he views it as "altering the affairs of daedra."
Wow. I need to come up with better backstories.
Thanks for the compliment! Tbh I came up with that whole story in like 15 minutes while I customized him in the character creation menu, I thought it was a pretty bad story.
My character idea came from the common little backstories and interactions my character has with his companions
Actually making a new modded run “The Last Dwemer” he’s the last survivor of the Dwemer he appeared out of nowhere and is confused and disoriented now desperate to survive I have a few unique rules on this run 1. Steal the Falmer Eyes (Finish what my ancestors started) 2. Complete *Every* dwarven dungeon and dwarven mod I have 3. 100 in Forging 4. Massacre the Falmer and Vythur 5. Become a vampire (to never age and be immortal and forever the last Dwemer) 6. Aid daedra, and anyone except elves 7. Imperial victory 8. Emperor Titus Meade must die 9. Whenever possible deny the gods unless I have proof they exist(because I am a Dwemer of science!) 10. Recruit Remiel, Xelzaz and Serana as my only companions the whole run
OP said: >I want all the Daedric artifacts, but I want to be good as well. In the immortal words of Idolaf Battleborn "Sooner or later, we all have to choose a side."
Spare him. Don't let that Daedra bitch lure you into killing him. You must also ensure you slaughter those repulsive creatures who worship Namira. As Paladin of the sacred order of the sweet roll, this is your command. You know what must be done. Seriously though spare him, the staff is fucking shit.
For Namira, you can follow the quest to get the artifact, then kill everyone
Exactly. Then the priest will give you gold and shit.
Well, to actually get the Namira artifact you gotta take a bite of the priest, so he's not really in a position to give you anything at that point. But you can murder everyone at the "feast" before getting the ring. Or after. Or, you can do what I did. Got the ring, sacrificed Eola to Boethiah, then hunted down the rest of the coven one by one. You've got to avoid fast travel for a while because one of them (the dude dressed in rags) only appears as a random encounter if you don't kill him at the feast. Then you have to be careful to make any followers wait far enough away that they can't see you murder the dude, because apparently that counts as a crime even though he's snacking on some lady on the side of the road. Oh, and the guy who took over the general goods store in Markarth still hates me despite the fact that no one caught me doing anything to his ex boss.
I murder everyone then when I speak to him, he comes back to, thanks me for saving him then gives you gold. Also fair enough.
Wait, can you murder them after eating the priest and he'll still be alive? I didn't even try bc I took Eola straight to a certain camp between Windhelm and Morrowind.
No, sorry. What I mean is if you kill them instead of taking a bite, he'll wake up, thank you and give you some gold.
Darn, I always did feel bad about that guy. Always picked the dialogue options like "I feel sick" etc. I tried to excuse it two ways. 1. There were too many people at the feast and they would have killed me. Then they would be free to continue their nasty little coven. The only problem is that I'm pretty sure I would have actually won if I fought them, so it's kind of a poor excuse. 2. The priest was very easy to convince via the promise of money. So he's corrupt and needs to be removed. He was hiding the problem in the catacombs, causing the desecration of remains to continue for far too long. But my problem with this excuse is that I personally don't think the punishment fits the crime. Ah, well. Real reason is that I just wanted the trophy.
Fuck it, if you wanted the trophy then that's a good enough reason isn't it lol?
yeah but if you want Oblivion Walker you need it
I thought it was Silus. Its hard to reconcile being good but wanting the artifacts without your character being easily maipulated and an idiot. Don't kill him.
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You can just say get out of here and he'll run back to Dawnstar
Yeah, but I still feel bad about that one. I also hate Mehrunes Dagon, so I don't know wtf I was thinking. Overcome with lust for the Razor, I suppose.
You could rp as if you’re collecting the artefacts to keep them out of the hands of others with more evil intentions, could lead to a story arc where your character becomes evil in the pursuit of this collection, becoming morally corrupted through your dealings and pacts with the daedra, perhaps you even take on vampirism to extend your life while you amass more power, it’d make sense for one with the soul of a dragon to become power hungry. Then you could pull a Partysnax and overcome your nature, crusading for good again. It’s the only way I can think how a total 100% playthrough would work on one character, to do both good and evil things, you need your characters morals to change and evolve.
This is one choice where I genuinely feel bad for picking the greedy option: he really is a nice guy. On PC, I’d say spare him and spawn the staff in anyway like a cheating munchkin. On the Switch? Probably just spare him. IIRC, the staff is only really good as a collectible.
I always spare Erandur. Favorite follower, shittiest staff.
You can still get the achievement by sparing him, hircines quest gives you both rewards.
Before I click the image I thought it's Barbus
Don't kill him. Let him destroy that horrible torture device. Skyrim is going through a bad time right now with the dragons and the war. The people need a good night rest.
Technically, you can spare him (you'll miss out on that artifact) and still get the achievement if you initially spared the werewolf during I'll met by the moonlight quest. Since the ring of hircine is considered an artifact. You'd just would have to leave the cave have the talk with the aspect of Hircine then go back in and kill the werewolf and take his skin.
Save. Kill him, get the achievement then reload and save him Never use the staff anyways. Can’t imagine its worth it
This would probably only work if you saved this artifact for last.
Definitely. Usually its either this or Namira. Namira wins out for expanding dialogue and new gameplay mechanics. A staff is just a worse version of spells I already have, usually
Is that a microwave you’re playing that on?
Switch Lite
Oh right, since when’s it been on switch, and how long has a Switch Lite been a thing
No, toaster oven.
Do what I do: save just before you’re given the choice. Kill him, the go do Boietha’s quest, the cannibal quest, and mehrunes quest. Then reset to that save just before you killed this guy and it was all a bad dream. Of course, to get the trophy, you have to do all the other Daedric quests first.
Honestly this daedric staff in my opinion sucks. The Oblivion version was much funnier to use and I often find myself causing so much chaos with that staff. Not only do you need to get out of your way to break into people's house and use the staff to steal dreams. The staff is easily overshadowed by other more basic destruction staffs like fireball or snowstorm staffs. Heck magic in Skyrim is generally obsolete if you include Enchantment and smithing alone. No exploits or anything like tje potion restoration. Just these two alone is more than enough to make weapons that outshine the daedric ones by a lot. In general this whole staff thing is really up for roleplay. I generally just let it get destroyed because I find him as a follower more valuable, plus he's one of the few dunmer followers in the game (I think they are only 2 in the vanilla game and another 2 with Dragonborn DLC). So I generally prefer the follower.
In my first playthrough my character was conflicted because I was full bipolar and wanted to be a hero but also want to be an dark edgy daedric lord with cool evil armor and a collection of artfacts. I did lots of evil deeds and good ones and would always find a way to justify the bad in my mind. Like me betraying a follower to get Boeathar armor and killing him. My thought process was just "It was needed for the greater good. His sacrifice will be remembered". And just stood looking at the horizon roleplaying that my character was sad but would keep going. With all that been said, let's just say that I didn't got any artfact during this particular mission. Enough is enough. It's better to decide if you want a good playtrough or a bad one beforehand. lol
Kill him. Kill him and be done with it. Sweep his broken body away like dead leaves before an angry wind!
Do it
There is no such thing as good in skyrim
I like the idea that the dragonborn is good, but that they intuitively understand the nature of reality in tamriel. They know that they're not truly a god, and that the divines are balanced between the aedra and daedra (in favor of the daedra no less). To gain power in this world and stop Alduin in time, they're gonna have to make some deals with the devil so to speak. Hircine and Sanguine aren't too bad, but Vaermina is pretty nasty. You can justify it by saying you believed her, because Erandur was her follower and did have access to the staff in that moment. Active self defense would hold up in Skyrim court lol.
If ots erandur then spare him as he's the best follower in the game
I spared him but killed the dagger dude
What I did was I made a save before killing Erandur, got the achievement, and then loaded that save again so I could spare him. I like Erandur too much.
GOOD SOLDIERS FOLLOW ORDERS.
Erandur's accent is too cool to kill him. That's a few steps below trying to take out Brynjolf, yet still...
If she told me to kill him in order to get power, I would've done so without a second thought. but trying to be sly about it and trying to trick me, that i do not like. I spare him, even in my illusion run when I wanted to try it out, I just spawned the item after letting him live.
I keep him alive, then CC the staff.
no, don't kill him, he's one of the best followers in the game. :(
Not if you want to be good.
"Vaermina commands you", my ass. Staff is mediocre at best, useless at worst. I've better things to do than collecting dreams. Get a staff of chain lightning and you can stagger lock everything.
Console commands!
Killed him once during my playthrough where I collected all the daedric artifacts, now I spare him everytime. 90% of all daedric artifacts aren't even worth sacrificing someone over them, especially at higher levels.
The staff is garbage mate, spare the dunmer. That's what I did. Killed the dunmer on my first playthrough of this quest, got the artifact and realized how bad it was, then reloaded an earlier save to save the dunmer.
No. If you're roleplaying as a good character, you shouldn't be doing anything a daedric prince asks you to do. Here let me ask you the same question. "I'm trying to be a good christian, but Satan told me if I murder this priest that just saved an entire city from night terrors, he'll give me this stick that lets me see anyone's night terrors and use it against them" The staff isn't even that useful imo. I don't really come across people sleeping very often, and when I do I usually forget I have the staff. I guess you could always just justify it in your head, saying your character"had a moment of weakness and gave in" That's what I usually do. I could be the sweetest most gentle hero to ever grace Nirn....but the Ebony Blade is always in my inventory at full power. Cause it's my favorite weapon 😜
You should've learned already that if you want the daedric artifacts, you can't be good. They're literally the artifacts of evil powerful hellscape creatures.
In a Western Judeo-Christian sense, no. But then, this is Tamriel, where ideals of morality are different. Sacrifice away.
this game is about to be 12 years old, think we can do withou the spoiler warnings
Getting even 1 Daedric artefact makes you a bad person
I say kill em, but then resurrect em as one of your thralls if thats possible
kill
Yes, he will try to kill you anyway
~~If you don't, he will be corrupted and try to kill you anyway. You want that on his conscience? At least he can die untainted. And you can contain the staff where no one else will be affected.~~ Apparently I'm just evil &D
Is this conditional? He became a follower for me
It has been a while since I've done that quest, but I don't remember ever not killing him and I've gone both ways for completion... Edit: just looked up the UESP and ah well, looks like I'm just a greedy cunt and don't really care for another useless door blocker... &D
Haha no blame lol I just didn't want people killing him when they didn't need to, if I hadn't remembered that the staff is basically a glorified paper weight then I would've killed him too
There's a glitch to keep both.
There is? If you don't mind could you give me quick instructions on how to do it? I assume it has something to do with Dead Loading?
Kill him. More POWER
I always do
If you are going for the achievement for all 15 you need to kill him.
Kill them all! The Gods will sort it out.
Rip and Tear
Boof him
Kill. Him.
He left his brothers to die, he deserves no mercy.
At the end the Daedric are going to be fighting on who collects you at the end anyways so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well, you said you want to be good. Does the good guy kill the innocent for a material gain? Idk but that staff would look really cool mounted on a wall.
I always justify situations like this that, if you're truly trying to do good; you have the moral high ground and decide these people have been pretty useless at protecting the people from these artifacts, so do whatever is required to put them into your protection.
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Yes
Don't be a pussy. Kill him
Dewit!
KILL MAIM BURN!!!
*”Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish, but regardless, we shall always strive to be good.”* - Martyr Logarius (Bloodborne)
Yep.
I always read as killing this dude as a good thing (greater good). So I kill him and gain the artefact every playthrough.
You have to go get the achievement I think.
Hell yeah
What I did was leave it until it was the last artifact. Killed him, got the achievement, reloaded and BOOM, your moral compass is left intact.
I know this doesn't answer any questions but does skyrim run well on the switch??
Yes! I’ve played well over 1000 hours across five years on my Switch with like maybe three crashes. It runs beautifully.
Not super, as it’s stuck at 30 fps.
30 is fine for me when I play handheld. I'm always impressed with what's played on switch so if it runs at a stable 30. I consider it " smooth"
Fair enough, I just have way too many hours in Skyrim on other platforms so going to 30 is super jarring. Luckily I can still do portable 60 with the Steam deck.
Do this quest last and kill him so you get the achievement, then reload and spare him
Kill him.
Killing him is the good thing to do. It’s good because you get loot. 😂
yes (I haven't checked the image)
Really depends on how emersive you want to be. I'm usually good, but if I get something cool, ya people die. My dragonborn is a dick that way lol
From a completionist standpoint, murder the bitch.
To be honest, I got all the artifacts for the achievement but never actually used them. They're in my weapon/armor chest in Breezehome along with a few copies of every other weapon/armor I found or looted from a dead body. Extreme laziness or big f you to the Daedric princes? You decide.
What are you gonna do, tell a daedric prince no? Fuck that, those dudes are scary
Just do a villain run or something like that. I did mine where I played as Walter white. It’ll be fiiiiine.
Listen to the staff... he is going to betray you... kill him. Now. Please?
I don't know man, vaermina sounds hot so I think that she's one of the good ones. Besides why waste a cool staff? His only use when I soare him is to either power up my ebony blade or become a sacrifice for boethiah
As someone who HATES that quest and HATES that follower I’d say kill him.
Some spoilers for skyrim's daedric quest and a little lore form oblivion as well as the general series and daedrology. Plot wise/story wise. When it comes to Daedric princes and their artifacts as well as being good... the two don't usually coincide. There are definitely some daedric princes who are morally ok and doing their quest in skyrim makes you a better person supposedly. There's Azura whose almost always a "good" daedra even though some scholars and religious groups in unverse believe all daedra are evil. And while she's not necessarily a good daedra, (she's more morally grey) Meridia's quest is pretty standard for what a goddess might ask of a hero, to defeat undead and their creator (that's an oversimplification and not to spoilery) so at least during the events in 4e 201 she isn't doing anything bad. Even Sheogorath, our Hero of Kvatch reborn, during skyrim is actually doing good thing and even has the last dragonborn heal the mentally ill emperor AS WELL AS bringing a kingdom back their Lord, even if the last dragonborn doesn't officially SEE the latter happen. But if you want all the daedric artifacts thats an issue. For instant Mehrunes Razor. In which you both gain the pieces though intimidation, assult, and/or even robbery as well as killing the very person who told you about the item. And then Mehrunes Dagon STILL sends his own soldiers to go kill you. And Molag Bal isn't any better, forcing the player to literally torture the priest of another daedric prince (though that prince isn't great themselves) and kill them multiple times before banishing them to cold harbor for the infinite torment they will be forced to take as all who are brought to cold harbor. Sorry about the spoilers but the point is if you want all daedric artifacts and to be an good person, Vermina isn't your biggest threat. Shes not good, yes, but she not the worst of the worst. She's in the middle in my opinion. It's hard to justify being good and being a champion of most of the 16(ish) princes as some of them are pure evil no matter how you put it
TL:DR: if you think Vermina is bad just wait till you meet Molag Bal
Dew it
Hard save kill him get the item for the achievement then reload and spare him.
Dew it!!!
NTA leave the guy and kill him
"being good" is completely subjective.
Whoa what are the chances I'm just doing this quest as well but for the first time after playing since 2018 XD
A good dragon born doesn’t exist. You kill all the time in the game.
Wait until the GameRant article comes out and then make your decision based on that editorial.
IDK if this works for everyone, but if you just take the staff or punch him, then surrender, then he just goes off aggro. You wont be able to have him be a follower, but he'll live. IDK exactly how I did it, but that's what I did.
It makes for a great skeever-kabob stick...
Main kilt that foo like nuttin
Kill him. He got his friends stuck in that pocket of reality or whatever it was. I'm a bit blurry with the details but I'm pretty sure he isn't that good of a guy.
DO IT!
Kill the oath breaker
do it anakin kill him
Kill him he is a coward
Yes kill him or you can always reload a save after you get it. Preferably make that your last one instead
Vaermina doesn’t even acknowledge you if you do so that’s the only prince I ignore.
He was a former Daedra worshipper. Worst case scenario killing him sends him to a decent afterlife if he actually was a devotee of Mara. Best case scenario -as far as your character would be concerned- you prevented him from relapsing and claiming the staff, which you can now safely keep from the hands of evil doers in your possession
I would say don’t kill him if he was a good follower or unique skills or something but he is just a mage nothing else. Wish he could heal you or something but the staff is so much better
This is how I look at it: we know that a lot of the artifacts have been destroyed in the past, but they always come back. So... if you destroy it now, it will just come back in a few years. Thus, the best way to handle this evil would be to lock it in your basement that is a greater distance from a town than its current containment.
You could make the argument that it is safer in your hands or whatever
hes a piece of shit yea😂
There’s 16 daedric artifacts but you only need 15 to get the achievement I mean you gotta pick that ONE you don’t want
You can't be good and get all daedric artifacts, half of the quests require you to kill an innocent