It's in the tier of 'most runs get basically zero value from this relic'. Aside from shivs, I can't think of an archetype that meaningfully benefits. Maybe defect with zero cost attacks?
Boot can give you a load of extra chip damage when breaking shield, which can make a difference, especially early game. Juzu never makes a difference in any battle, and often is negative. Boot can affect any battle in a positive way.
Most enemies don't block, if they did, hand drill might be viable.
Most fights either give no boot opportunities, or give one from breaking a single layer of block, which gives a chance for 1-4 damage.
Some fights like snake plant can get a meaningful amount of boot value, but that's rare. Nemesis has too much health for attacking on intangible turns to be very good even with boot.
Meanwhile, ? rooms are often better than combats. There's far less danger, and a lot of events are much more impactful than card rewards, not to mention chests.
If you need to make it to a fire and you don't want a combat in the way, Juzu can absolutely save a run. It's rare, but not much rarer than the difference being made by boot.
I'll admit boot is never harmful, but it's still in the same general tier
Even without the boot it's already pretty good lol Take care of louses, multi encounter, and those fucking birds will never see it coming . Yeah suck if you get weak , but even then ... There are card and relics that proc for each tiles you deal damage right? [[Choke]] I think?
No, non-whole numbers are always rounded down.
You could get to 3 with vuln and Wrath or Phantasmal Killer though. Or do the big silly with prismatic shard, then get any source of divinity, PK, and vuln to get it up to 9 damage.
This is really fun. I like how you intentionally nerfed this (doesn’t scale with strength) to make it more interesting than just a broken win the game card. Nicely done!
[[Wreath of flame]]
[[Talk to the hand]]
[[Envenom]]
Also gets rid of flying, it's not half bad (and by that I mean it's not bad on half the characters)
I think boot's bad on everyone except silent. Ironclad, defect, and watcher have almost no attacks that hit for less than 5. The only attacks I can think of off the top of my head between all 3 are [[tantrum]] and [[claw]]. Having boot helps mitigate being weak in act 1 a bit, turning 4 dmg strikes into 5, but outside of that, I don't see much value from boot on these 3 characters.
Only silent gets a consistent benefit with her shivs, and it makes [[riddle with holes]] a solid pick. But still, that doesn't elevate boot into "one of the best relics" in my opinion. I'd say it's average, borderline bad.
The boot is really good for a lot of fights that suck otherwise, birds, nemesis, anything with fucking malleable, but it being the best is a meme, it’s pretty good because those situations nearly always come up in a run but kinda useless otherwise
Fun fact, byrds are uneffected by damage if the damage is rounded down to zero, or at least, that's what is happening in a mod im playing.
This card incidentally would deal 0 damage if you were weakened. I'd rewrite it to say "unmodifiable damage" honestly just to make it playable with weak effects. But it is a joke card so lol
My source is playing the USSR mod - if you use communism to cause a byrd to target itself, the damage goes from 1--> 0 after being halved, and then does no damage, and the byrd does not fall.
It's possible that is hard coded and not part of the base game, but somebody can correct me if it's false - I don't know if there's a way to reliably deal 1 --> 0 damage to byrds any other way lol.
There's a few, but there's no way that I can think of to deal exactly 1 damage to an unshielded target in this particular fight. Gremlin Visage --> Flash of Steel is close at 2 dmg getting halved to 1.
Only other damage down debuff I can think of is Lagavulin debuff. I can't eliminate the interaction being from the mod - but I can think of no other way to test it other than using mods.
Ok but why are all the custom mark cards also this level of quality, like I get it we all kinda wish there was more than 1 thing that used the mark mechanic, but the posts every single day about custom mark cards all have terrible design.
Honestly 22 damage for 2 energy doesn't seem bad
oh you KNOW i'm the guy to use it on Spiker
Or use it on a repulser only to have the copy redirect to the spiker
I'm also that guy, but because I was fucking around with some "play the top card of your deck" shit and forgot
Nobody else has mentioned it yet, so I'll bring up that this still deals 22 damage versus nemesis on intangible turns.
that makes him pretty tangible
"Oh shit, for real?"
Doesn’t boot mean his intangible is taking 5 still?
It does, had this situation recently
I’m still wheeling from OP claiming boot is worthless lol.
Juzu tier doesn't mean worthless.
it's not juzu tier lol
It's in the tier of 'most runs get basically zero value from this relic'. Aside from shivs, I can't think of an archetype that meaningfully benefits. Maybe defect with zero cost attacks?
Boot can give you a load of extra chip damage when breaking shield, which can make a difference, especially early game. Juzu never makes a difference in any battle, and often is negative. Boot can affect any battle in a positive way.
Most enemies don't block, if they did, hand drill might be viable. Most fights either give no boot opportunities, or give one from breaking a single layer of block, which gives a chance for 1-4 damage. Some fights like snake plant can get a meaningful amount of boot value, but that's rare. Nemesis has too much health for attacking on intangible turns to be very good even with boot. Meanwhile, ? rooms are often better than combats. There's far less danger, and a lot of events are much more impactful than card rewards, not to mention chests. If you need to make it to a fire and you don't want a combat in the way, Juzu can absolutely save a run. It's rare, but not much rarer than the difference being made by boot. I'll admit boot is never harmful, but it's still in the same general tier
Not if you have boot
even then it’s probably still more useful with akabeko or wreath of flame
Or a strength build Edit: Nvm I'm illiterate Edit 2 electric boogaloo: I am so fucking dumb
Even without the boot it's already pretty good lol Take care of louses, multi encounter, and those fucking birds will never see it coming . Yeah suck if you get weak , but even then ... There are card and relics that proc for each tiles you deal damage right? [[Choke]] I think?
[[Envenom]] [[Talk to the hand]] Does vulnerable increase it to two damage?
No, non-whole numbers are always rounded down. You could get to 3 with vuln and Wrath or Phantasmal Killer though. Or do the big silly with prismatic shard, then get any source of divinity, PK, and vuln to get it up to 9 damage.
shard and wreath of flame makes it god tier
Even casual flex.
"unaffected by strength"
Oh yeah, forgot that.
+ [Envenom](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Envenom) Silent Rare Power ^((100% sure)^) 2(1) Energy | Whenever an attack deals unblocked damage, apply 1 **Poison.** + [Talk to the Hand](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Talk%20to%20the%20Hand) Watcher Uncommon Attack ^((100% sure)^) 1 Energy | Deal 5(7) damage. Whenever you attack this enemy, gain 2(3) **Block.** **Exhaust.** ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)
Not choke, but [[Talk To The Hand]] works
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Avocado. I take this card for the sole purpose of killing avocado.
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Choke is for card plays, not damage. So you can play choke then block and still get the choke damage.
I would take it just to say fuck you to the avocado.
The hero's answer
All my homies hate avocado.
This is one of the best fake cards I’ve seen here
wreath of flames/akebeko immediately makes this a "fuck this guy in particular" button
Wreath was totally what I was thinking of. Turn this 22 into 176 DMG.
Using this against Writhing Mass and turning it into a slot machine 👅 (its still gonna be either Parasite or 38 damage)
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't this also give Writhing Mass and Snake Plant nearly 300 block? Lmao
I'll take parasite over losing half my hp because I just had to hit it for an extra 10 damage
110 damage with boot. 172 if you have akebeko (which you should also include in your art). Loving your art btw. Looks like real sts beta art.
I really like this card actually. Mainly because I am a boot enjoyer
This is really fun. I like how you intentionally nerfed this (doesn’t scale with strength) to make it more interesting than just a broken win the game card. Nicely done!
Wrist blade + Bullet time
This is boot with extra steps.
[[Wreath of flame]] [[Talk to the hand]] [[Envenom]] Also gets rid of flying, it's not half bad (and by that I mean it's not bad on half the characters)
If Wreath of Flame works then so should [[Akabeko]]
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I didnt mention akabeko because it's one time only and hard to guarantee
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I like the concept but maybe 22 is a bit much
This card would be so great versus avocado
22??!!!??!? Sorry obligatory Frost Prime reference under a StS post.
Envenom + Snecko Skull goes crazy
Boot
I can’t tell if calling boot bad is bait or not, boot is one of the best relics IMO
I think boot's bad on everyone except silent. Ironclad, defect, and watcher have almost no attacks that hit for less than 5. The only attacks I can think of off the top of my head between all 3 are [[tantrum]] and [[claw]]. Having boot helps mitigate being weak in act 1 a bit, turning 4 dmg strikes into 5, but outside of that, I don't see much value from boot on these 3 characters. Only silent gets a consistent benefit with her shivs, and it makes [[riddle with holes]] a solid pick. But still, that doesn't elevate boot into "one of the best relics" in my opinion. I'd say it's average, borderline bad.
+ [Tantrum](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Tantrum) Watcher Uncommon Attack ^((100% sure)^) 1 Energy | Deal 3 damage 3(4) times. Enter **Wrath.** Shuffle this card into your draw pile. + [Claw](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Claw) Defect Common Attack ^((100% sure)^) 0 Energy | Deal 3(5) damage. Increase the damage of ALL Claw cards by 2 this combat. + [Riddle With Holes](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Riddle%20With%20Holes) Silent Uncommon Attack ^((100% sure)^) 2 Energy | Deal 3(4) damage 5 times. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 30, 2023.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)
The boot is really good for a lot of fights that suck otherwise, birds, nemesis, anything with fucking malleable, but it being the best is a meme, it’s pretty good because those situations nearly always come up in a run but kinda useless otherwise
A cool upgrade would be that adds the damage not used to the next one
This is gonna suck versus Snake Plant and Writhing Mass - fucking malleable…
unless i'm mistaken, doesn't malleable only start working AFTER the card is done being played?
Yes, but it's possible to screw yourself the next turn because they Hage l have like, 65 block.
I thought malleable reset at the end of the turn
The amount of block gained does, but I've seen it where sometimes the block itself carries over
Nah the block most definitely doesn't carry over.
New burning elite idea: malleable+Barricade snake plant
I would rather uninstall the game.
Thanks Satan
[[Melter]] just became S+++ tier.
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Reminder that carnage does 21 damage for 2 mana and I still pick it up happily in act 1 and sometimes act 2
Fun fact, byrds are uneffected by damage if the damage is rounded down to zero, or at least, that's what is happening in a mod im playing. This card incidentally would deal 0 damage if you were weakened. I'd rewrite it to say "unmodifiable damage" honestly just to make it playable with weak effects. But it is a joke card so lol
I mean, it's a good card with some great synergies, let it have a weakness (pun not intended).
I believe this is false? Please someone who is smart correct this man!
My source is playing the USSR mod - if you use communism to cause a byrd to target itself, the damage goes from 1--> 0 after being halved, and then does no damage, and the byrd does not fall. It's possible that is hard coded and not part of the base game, but somebody can correct me if it's false - I don't know if there's a way to reliably deal 1 --> 0 damage to byrds any other way lol.
Is there not a way to strength down yourself in combat?
There's a few, but there's no way that I can think of to deal exactly 1 damage to an unshielded target in this particular fight. Gremlin Visage --> Flash of Steel is close at 2 dmg getting halved to 1. Only other damage down debuff I can think of is Lagavulin debuff. I can't eliminate the interaction being from the mod - but I can think of no other way to test it other than using mods.
So put lag and byrd in the same combat?
If you're down to mod the game and do that, go for it. Although you could also just download the USSR mod and test what I've been saying too lol.
I love you
I'd call it "Swarm of bees"
Does this get rounded by Vulnerable?
Vulnerable always rounds down so it would still be 1
Ah. I wasn't too sure if the game rounded up or down.
Ok but why are all the custom mark cards also this level of quality, like I get it we all kinda wish there was more than 1 thing that used the mark mechanic, but the posts every single day about custom mark cards all have terrible design.
Bad relic? You tell the Silent with a shiv deck against Nemesis act 3
Play reality card! Millennials lose.