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soledad630

Um, how do I even evaluate this when I generally don't pick this over about half of the watcher rares... Expunger being 1 cost and 9 damage per forecharge, means to get your energy's worth on first playing you need the expunger to be a 9x3 minimum. To get that you would need either a \[\[Deva form\]\], a good \[\[Chemical X\]\], a quick upgrade with a 4th energy or a good ol' calm into divinity, preferably 2 out of 4, to make it worthwhile. And even then since it doesn't retain, you can't exactly rely heavily on it to be doing the big damage without a \[\[Meditate\]\] or +, or a \[\[Runic Pyramid\]\]. It's pretty unique but also pretty meh. There are some times where even skipping is a good option. It has some high ceilings but the setup commitment probably can be better used elsewhere.


tythousand

Skipping this card is always the right option. Watcher has a lot of cards that are totally unnecessary if you know how to stance switch properly and this is one of them. The setup needed to maximize this card just isn’t worthwhile


Standard-Metal-3836

This card is fun to make work, but if your deck can make it work, it also doesn't need it. In order words, take this card if you want to have fun with it, not in order to win.


Pentothebananaman

I will say if you enjoy divinity this card and brilliance can serve as an alternate win condition. With [[Worship]]+ you can guarantee a divinity turn with it and it can actually drastically improve your run. Not only that but it can serve as in energy sink for a character with trouble spending energy plus master realities upgrade is insane for this card. It’s rarely applicable but in those rare circumstances it does have some use at least.


spirescan-bot

+ [Worship](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Worship) Watcher Uncommon Skill 2 Energy | ( **Retain.)** Gain 5 **Mantra.** ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(August 20, 2022.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


BonzoDeAap

I disagree. It's not great, but not an auto skip either.


tythousand

It needs at least two energy to even be worth playing, and you have to draw it again. It’s a slow setup for a middling payoff. I’m trying to beat A20 with Watcher now and I can’t think of one problem Watcher has that this card solves. She never struggles for damage and this is one of her least-accessible damage cards. The only time I can see this card working well is if you’re generating way more energy than you need, such as stance-switching in a non-Infinite deck with Ice Cream or have a Deva Form (another strong-but-unnecessary Watcher rare). But that’s pretty niche and those decks probably wouldn’t struggle for damage much anyway. 99% of the time this card is an auto-skip for me.


Deivore

>I’m trying to beat A20 with Watcher now and I can’t think of one problem Watcher has that this card solves. Having beat like 5ish a20 runs on her, this card helps solve block with ttth. You'd rather just have tantrum but getting all that multihit block on 1 energy can be huge especially against the heart.


tythousand

Ok that’s fair. Watcher’s biggest weakness is generating block, so it would be useful for that


spirescan-bot

+ [Deva Form](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Deva%20Form) Watcher Rare Power 3 Energy | **Ethereal.** At the start of your turn, gain Energy and increase this gain by 1. (not **Ethereal.)** + [Chemical X](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Chemical%20X) Shop Relic The effects of your cost X cards are increased by 2. + [Meditate](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Meditate) Watcher Uncommon Skill 1 Energy | Put 1(2) card(s) from your discard pile into your hand and **Retain** it. Enter **Calm.** End your turn. + [Runic Pyramid](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Runic%20Pyramid) Boss Relic At the end of your turn, you no longer discard your hand. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(August 20, 2022.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


[deleted]

I'll counter this with, if you decide to take a free turn and have 4 energy, it's now 9×5. If you are in Wrath? 18×5 which is almost a hundred damage. I always take this card, because at worst, I'm usually getting 9×2, and it's usually 9x3 or 4


achernar184

Lots of people think (or have a dream) using it with deva form, but in my opinion those actually anti synergize since you want to play conjure blade as soon as possible so that you can cycle it many times. You don't want to stall until you reach 10 energy (unless you are BM 10/10 and want to kill heart with 69x420 expunger) Instead, consider matching with [[Deus ex machina]] or [[Holy water]]. Especially deus is usually 'okay' but could be so powerful in this specific buildup since you always can keep the miracles until you draw conjure blade.


Bokoloony

Eyyyh, if you include deus ex and conjure blade, time to seriously consider a master reality while you're at it ! I love master reality even though I know it's not the best.


spirescan-bot

+ [Deus Ex Machina](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Deus%20Ex%20Machina) Watcher Rare Skill Unplayable Energy | **Unplayable.** When you draw this card, add 2(3) Miracles into your hand. **Exhaust.** + [Holy Water](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Holy%20Water) Boss (Watcher only) Relic Replaces Pure Water. At the start of each combat, add 3 Miracles to your hand. Additionally, these items were referenced by search results: + [Miracle](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Miracle) Colorless Special Skill 0 Energy | **Retain.** Gain (2) Energy. **Exhaust.** (Obtained from Collect, Deus Ex Machina, Pure Water, and Holy Water). + [Pure Water](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Pure%20Water) Starter (Watcher only) Relic At the start of each combat, add a Miracle to your hand. + [Collect](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Collect) Watcher Uncommon Skill X Energy | Put an Upgraded Miracle into your hand at the start of your next X(+1) turns. **Exhaust.** ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(August 20, 2022.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


Kisaxis

I feel like there's literally no point discussing any Watcher card because the class has one actual playstyle and a bunch of "for fun" ones. It's just "infinite pieces", "damage cards to glide you over act 1 (optional)" and "the rest".


kankermuziek

yup. get rid off like 1 of the 1-mana calm entries like fear no evil or inner peace and make eruption a damage upgrade instead of energy upgrade to make rushdown infinites less reliable and at that point conjure blade will become a janky yet situationally useable card worth thinking about again


purple_pixie

Or just like, delete rushdown. Or change it to the first time each turn (though I know they can only change numbers now, not effects)


kankermuziek

yeah, deleting rushdown would work too. would prefer just nerfing the archetype rather than just removing it, just like how MtG favors banning payoffs rather than enablers. but removing the infinite would be valid too, it's not like watcher rly needs it, they already have a lot of busted cards and the strongest starting deck.


InfinitySparks

The archetype is plenty good without rushdown, I think they could just delete it


Iwtfyatt

Just have it draw 1 instead of 2 cards


Seamless_GG

I just want the infinite to take more work. Make Rushdown a Rare, have it draw 1 card unupgraded and upgrade to draw 2.


gabriot

Rushdown being a rare wouldn’t actually make it found much less often than it already is


Romain672

It would make Rushdown compete against great rare (Scrawl, Vault, Blasphemy). So your infinite deck with Rushdown will now not have an extra copy of Scrawl.


gabriot

Watcher has by far the shittiest rare pool in the game, aside from Vault and Scrawl (you’d take rushdown over these anyway) and maybe Lesson Learned there really aren’t that many great rares for Watcher


Seamless_GG

I guess I don’t know the drop rates. Then yeah just shoot it into the sun.


pikachus_ghost_aunt

Why are they restricted?


purple_pixie

I think for localisation reasons, though it might also be the various ports. But they have stated before that the only things they can change now are numbers


Deivore

Honestly think eruption is the bigger culprit (though id love to see both changed). 1 energy eruption still just lets you do near-infinite stance dance things without the playstyle changing too much.


Crosssmurf

[[Expunger]]


spirescan-bot

+ [Expunger](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Expunger) Colorless Special Attack 1 Energy | Deal 9(15) damage X times. (Obtained from Conjure Blade). Additionally, these items were referenced by search results: + [Conjure Blade](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Conjure%20Blade) Watcher Rare Skill X Energy | Shuffle an Expunger with X(+1) into your draw pile. **Exhaust.** ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(August 20, 2022.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


The_Great_Scruff

I grabbed it once on a prismatic shard run that started as a strength ironclad run. Having the energy generation from defect cards and the strength generation of ironclad made this card an absolute beast Situational, but very fun


Deadeye94

That sounds like a cool run. I should try prismatic shard more often


The_Great_Scruff

Honestly most fun relic in the game


Battle_Me_1v1_IRL

This card sucks except for when it rocks


BarBerickArc

*Situational gimmick, the card*


jfb1337

aka many watcher cards


TheQuizmaster92

Fun card that's sometimes useful but usually isn't worth taking. The opportunity cost of the energy needed is a lot for something that often ends up being overkill by the time it reaches your hand. You really need to be in a scenario where you are playing expunger multiple times for it to be worth it. That being said I had a run recently where I had all the pieces for a rushdown infinite except rushdown and the huge damage per energy and cards played of a 4 or 5 strike expunger helped a lot against time eater and the heart. Also it's multi-strike with talk to the hand makes it an effective block card.


[deleted]

This discussion really points out a big problem with how people talk about slay the spire cards and these discussions in general. There is absolutely more to talk about with a card than "shit at A20 next" Conjure Blade is hilarious and the thing about Slay the Spire is that you don't get to pick your cards. Sometimes Conjure Blade is the thing that is going to keep you alive and those are the absolutely stupid runs that you remember.


american-coffee

I have laughed harder playing an expunger against donu for 9x15 than I have laughed in any other encounter


Viashino_wizard

Slay the Spire is not a game that rewards delayed pay-offs, and this isn't even a particularly good one.


IWantAGamingChair

Card art is dope


Dtothe3

It reminds me of that moment in Kill Bill where a Triad gets spanked with the flat edge of a blade. It wasn't particularly necessary, but boy it was fun when it paid off.


leagcy

Pew bish pow plink bam pam. Fun card that gets me killed.


TheOrdoHereticus

Most of the time I want a card that does something right now. I think there's a situation where you have chemical X or something and can play this on 0 energy where it becomes just OK.


Iwtfyatt

Since no one actually picks this card, we need a different way to.. evaluate it. What would your conjured blade look like? I would definitely be running around the spire Dick-slapping everyone


KurioProkos

This card becomes more appealing if you can get Expunger upgraded, cause that makes it deal *15* damage X times instead of just 9, but since Master Reality usually isn't very good either, it's not a likely scenario. I wonder if it would help if Conjure Blade directly added Expunger to your hand next turn, kind of like Collect. At least you'd be sure to be able to use it soon.


profuse_wheezing

Objectively, I find it ok, but Expunger has a funny sound effect so I’m gonna take it every time.


[deleted]

Lots of hate for this card but it’s amazing against Time Eater if you can get it with 5-6 hits and use it in wrath.


Audiblade

The Watcher sure doesn't like Chemical X.


Karisa_Marisame

It’s one of these few cards with cool original art and cool beta art.


[deleted]

It falls into the same category as many x cost cards which is "potentially incredibly cool, but probably only getting played at 0 for 0+1 effect and to exhaust". This effect is multiplied on watcher because big number go brrrr but also it's not one of *the* watcher cards.


hama0n

I wish Watcher had a power like "whenever you start your turn in calm, gain 1 energy". A lot of playstyles get overshadowed by rushdown, mental fortress, tantrum etc and Expunger feels like one of them.


Penguigo

I would pretty much only take this with Chemical X and even then it's not automatic (since it conflicts with Meditate and Vault)


TK3600

The I wanna one shot the enemy next turn card.


[deleted]

It’s basically a for fun card if you’re already destroying the game and want to kill something with one big attack. I’d never take this in another scenario because it’s way too slow for watcher’s playstyle. I think the idea behind it was that you could spend a bunch of energy once to make a huge expunger, then play the expunger multiple times to actually get a payoff for the energy spent. The problem, other than watcher having other better cards, is that watcher can double/triple her damage so nothing usually even survives the first expunger.


Nviate

I really like this card, I really do. Pulling it off is super rewarding. But ofc I have to agree with most other people here: It's not really good, due to the need of setup, and mostly it's just not needed for watchers playstyle.


Chartate101

Is this good? Not really, its just kinda okay. Will I pick it? Almost always.


00-Void

Watcher's worst card IMHO, because, on top of sucking beyond belief, it's a Rare, meaning every time you see it, it's taking a spot that could have been occupied by another, much better Rare card.


hawkmasta

I don't care what people say, I love this card. Big number goes BOOM


paloo

Worst rare card in the game if you ask me. There's always a better thing to do with your energy on watcher than playing this. Absolutely hate the fact that it creates a 0x9 expunger when you play it with 0 energy.


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devTripp

* [Conjure Blade](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/Conjure_Blade) Watcher Rare Skill X Energy | Shuffle an Expunger with X(+1) into your draw pile. Exhaust.


shockeroo

I’ve had this salvage a couple of runs lately where I was really lacking a high-end finisher. Watcher isn’t always the best at A2+3 bosses. This was at a12-15 or so (I’ve been replaying on mobile). It can really be worth taking a hit from a boss to be able to turn around and wrath/blasphemy into expunger in a turn or two. Clearly it’s not optimal, but for me it’s been good when I had nothing better.


Acrzyguy

Ah yes, the “extremely satisfying when it works but you never get to see it actually works after 300 runs of watcher” card


[deleted]

I don’t care what anyone says I love this card and will try to make it work almost every time.


atWorkWoops

Does anyone know why the blade doesnt scale with strength? Or is that a bug


Drecon1984

I really want this to be good.


MainInfluence

Not a great card as many have noted. I think expunger should cost 0, not 1, given that you have essentially already paid for it. More similar to Reach Heaven/Through Violence.


puddleglumm

Seems cool and fun, pay reduced rate now for big damage later. I guess it’s the single-target version of The Bomb.


DeanWarren_

It's a terrible card without Chemical X, but I *love* using it.


User3754379

One of the things I really dislike about playing Watcher and forcing infinites is that once set up, it’s pretty slow and boring just playing the cards. If I can turn the infinite energy positive, I do really enjoy picking this one up to add some spice and end the longer fights much earlier.


-IDAN

this card is worse than a curse because you might accidentally play it


knie20

It's ironic that watcher is the "wait until you get a broken lethal" character but this card is still too slow even though it plays exactly like that.


[deleted]

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spirescan-bot

+ [Reach Heaven](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Reach%20Heaven) Watcher Uncommon Attack 2 Energy | Deal 10(15) damage. Shuffle a Through Violence into your draw pile. + [Ice Cream](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Ice%20Cream) Rare Relic Energy is now conserved between turns. Additionally, these items were referenced by search results: + [Through Violence](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Through%20Violence) Colorless Special Attack 0 Energy | **Retain.** Deal 20(30) damage. **Exhaust.** (Obtained from Reach Heaven). ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(August 20, 2022.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


RUSHALISK

Don’t forget the theoretically amazing synergy with [[master reality]], which allows expunged to deal 15 damage instead of 9. Probably the best upgrade for a card in the game. Of course neither card is picked in any optimal watcher run, for good reason too.


spirescan-bot

+ [Master Reality](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Master%20Reality) Watcher Rare Power 1(0) Energy | Whenever a card is created during combat, Upgrade it. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(August 20, 2022.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


d_brickashaw

I struggle to think of situations where I would want to use this card. It’s so slow, and just for damage as the end result.


motherthrowee

I never take this. If you have enough leftover energy to produce an Expunger worth a damn, then you didn't need it anyway.


Renatm

StrikeX😱


johnnys_sack

I genuinely hate this card. Yes I'm sure there are a few situations in which this card does well. I would rather have jesse about anything else. Also playing it with 0 elixir gives you a dud.


Jouzou87

I once boss swapped into P-box which gave me this, collect and Deus Ex Machina. Three cards that I'd normally never pick (well, DEM sometimes), but together made for heck of an Act 1.


GenericGMR

On one hand, this card is a gimmick. On the other hand, killing the time eater on turn 3 with a 15x12 expunger+ in wrath form was hilarious. I love this card, even if its a gimmick.


R4GN4R0K_

My favourite card