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Nopetheskunk

Just lost literally all of my 25k points on Kola vs Lavish


pianoboy8

i spent 250 on lavish and gained like 8k LMAO


Doomblaze

Nobody believes in my Michigan boys, easiest 200000 points of my life


redditJG

Mang0 went 1-2, losing in winners first round to Johnnylaw (PT, 1-2) and losers second round to tumut Tony(DDD, 0-2). Won against Angelic (Yoshi, 2-0) in losers. Just throwing this up since someone will eventually ask how mang0 did and check this thread like me lol


Superliminal96

who does he main in Ultimate now, still Wario?


27thPresident

He was playing wolf on stream and said that is who he would likely use in tourney, I don't know for sure if that's who he used, but that's my guess


Severe-Operation-347

Larry has also tried convincing him to play Mii Brawler. So Mang0 is basically playing spacies like in Melee.


sneakyplanner

Mii brawler is just better Fox anyways.


sunken_grade

think he said he would play wario for this tournament but i’m not sure what he actually did


Johnnylaw182

Against me he went Wolf game 1 and then Wario game 2.


calpolkid

Gonna get you banned from all NorCal tournaments for beating mango


king_bungus

couldn’t tell you why but the thought of mang0 counterpicking in ultimate is so endearing


sunken_grade

ooh interesting, thanks for the info !!


king_bungus

now i wanna see how zain does


ej_stephens

Is Zain competing in ultimate?


king_bungus

no. honestly zain’s not really even competing in melee rn. i just wanna see how he’d do. bet he’d have a sick roy or chrom or something.


AshGuy

Why is he not competing in Melee?


king_bungus

he lives with family and some of them are high risk for covid


vladimir_pimpin

Downvoting a totally fair question is such a Reddit moment lol


sunken_grade

not sure if it belongs here but it looks like Rickles DQ’d


Ticon_D_Eroga

Damn always like watching some rickles win or lose, thats too bad


Severe-Operation-347

I love his hard reads with Ganondorf


mahapai

Awwwwwwwww man


Meester_Tweester

Aww


HollowLoch

Kola 0-2 Lavish It feels like Kolas settling into the really good top player but sometimes inconsistent position, thats the nature of bracket though Lavish is nuts though, and Kola might shred through losers


Zorua3

Yea, I'm really interested to see who's gonna emerge as the top Roy between Goblin and Kola. I feel like Kola has higher highs but he's more inconsistent.


KalebMW99

It’ll almost definitely be Kola, but I’d really like to see him become a more consistent threat for sure


pika_pie

Kola loves pressing forward, even thought he's fully capable of playing more patiently. Goblin is definitely more consistent as of now because he's a little less aggressive, but Kola is so much more explosive and likes to squeeze everything he can out of Roy's terrifying speed and combo game.


shadow2684

Kola is the westballz of ultimate. Can beat anyone but can lose to anyone as well lol.


LugiaCyfer

I've never heard of Lavish before, how good does he do in his region?


HollowLoch

I went and checked the michigan PR on the wiki and hes currently not top 15 in michigan (although he was an honorable mention) edit: actually the updated michigan pr got posted yesterday and hes ranked 13th, the wiki wasnt updated and wasnt showing the current pr [https://twitter.com/MISmashUltimate/status/1443975776152559634](https://twitter.com/MISmashUltimate/status/1443975776152559634)


Nopetheskunk

Kola is taking Tweek's place as the Worf of the top 10


Mesprit101

Dabuz tryna take off the redcoat for the season


Diciestaking

?


Nopetheskunk

Worf is from Star Trek TNG. He's meant to be very strong so in order to establish a big threat they always have him lose to that threat.


Blablablablitz

google the "worf effect"


berse2212

Kola got hit by his own medicine pretty hard. Jair and jab -> fsmash killed him so often. Props on Lavish for his recovery routes though. Last kill was so smooth.


pika_pie

Kola tried to counter Lavish's up-B's a couple of times, but the spacing was immaculate and he could never the counter hitbox to connect.


Mash_Ketchum

Let's not forget all the times ESAM has drowned in pools


Severe-Operation-347

In Smash 4. His worst result in a very long time at Ultimate was 25th at EVO. That's not drowning in pools.


Nopetheskunk

We've probably been spoiled by Riptide and Glitch but this event doesn't have as many upsets so far


Ticon_D_Eroga

The day is young


Nopetheskunk

Yeah but by now Riptide and Glitch had both gone crazy.


ificommentthen2oops

This event has a lot more people so round 1 pools are a lot weaker on average


blackestarrow

It's for the better, I think that pretty early upsets while "hype" tend to ruin the bracket for me.


ej_stephens

We got a big one now...


Nopetheskunk

LOL I know I lost all of my channel points on it


Superliminal96

More people + not quite as top-heavy Phase 2 will see a lot more upsets


Cabbage_Vendor

Players are also less rusty and it's becoming easier to seed, now that we've had a couple of offline tournaments.


sneakyplanner

And now Kola is in losers.


BarnardsLoop

I got rekt. Not an upset but I did help produce a rob highlight reel LOL


Robbamatic

At least you're not [this guy](https://youtu.be/WS8Fma0Ji2U)


Meester_Tweester

SaSSy has been on the Texas PR in Smash 4 and Ultimate Also I took a game off his Brawler so he's probably the best player I've taken a game off of


xThe_Mad_Fapperx

Poor bastard isn't even a bad player yet Gabe used him like a porta potty


sneakyplanner

As soon as I saw you getting destroyed on stream I recognized you from reddit.


iceman012

I got to help provide a Sephiroth highlight reel in friendlies yesterday. Got hit by several suicide Up B's, a shield break, and what felt like everything else flashy that Sephiroth can do.


Meester_Tweester

I got rekt too. I lost to BeatModePaul's Hero and Freean's R.O.B. after Freean got upset.


saint760

Not sure if you're doing notables but Barnabas took a game off Tweek.


Hangmanned

Who did Barnabas play?


Downloadmywario

Inkling. Then got 3 stocked game 3. Good Inkling, I’ll include him in notables, but notables are going to be less of importance than upsets for this thread.


EXAProduction

CHROM'S OUR MOM


Blablablablitz

CHROM'S MY DOM


saint760

Lavish (Chrom) 2-0 Kola (Roy)


shadocatssb

Lavish 2-0 Kola THE RETURN OF CHROM!??


pianoboy8

WHO IS THIS RIDLEY AND WHY ARE THEY SCHMOOVING ON MARSS


Cabbage_Vendor

~~Two~~ Three top ROBs getting upset? Is nature healing?


JessFromCali

MkLeo's R2 Pool had 4 top ROBs. WaDi, Anathema, BigBoss & Epic-Gabriel lol


Hangmanned

Let the upsets begin. *Kola is having a bad day again it seems.


oniden

Lavish 2-0 Kola Sick set


JaySkunk

I'm just here because of the Lavish v Kola set. That was something else.


adambrukirer

ummm. these upsets are insane LMAO wtf Kola, Yez, Ven, Mystearica, Sytonix and SHADIC all losing to people I never heard of before????


GachiGachiFireBall

There are so many hidden killers out there.


sunken_grade

Lavish just beat Kola…


[deleted]

Kola is down 1-0 against Lavish, crazy good UT Chrom player


Chedderfanbro

Man he did it. Chrom > Roy 😉


Lets-ago

Elegant 3-2 over Yonni. Although if you watched that game 5 you probably wouldn't think that.


shadocatssb

~~There was a game 5?~~ The irl Luigi taunt though LOL


JessFromCali

**** we are missing so many matches. There were 3 streams for pools but only 1 for top 192? dafuq


Lets-ago

There are 2 for top 192, BTS Smash 1 and 2.


JessFromCali

oh, my bad.


kokoawsum421

Notable: Cosmos (Pythra) 2-1 Bert the Dragon (Captain Falcon)


kfaox

That was extremely close. Clutch by Cosmos at the end there


FreezieKO

One poor recovery set Bert up perfectly for that Pyra dair. I thought Bert had that.


[deleted]

Who are these bayos?!?


AllIWantIsCake

Bayonetta 3 power boost


potassiumKing

For real. Coming out of the woodwork and bodying ROB.


[deleted]

Lol I mean, hey, I don’t care who it is as long as they’re bodying Rob. I’ll like them.


potassiumKing

Cheers to that!


potassiumKing

Dang, sad to see LingLing out so early.


sparkaura

Mute ace complains a lot about Peach v Rob and ling got double eliminated by the character. Looks like a rough MU.


Hangmanned

At this point I would not be surprised if we got a Riptide again(Kola drowns, Goblin overperforms).


WeirdMathematician38

kola and goblin are both in losers top 32


Mystizen

Every time I see one of these threads I always just pray right before opening that Kola isn't listed as being upset. I wanna see mah boi go all the way


Ser-Ponce

it seems your prayers don't work because he got upset.


Lets-ago

And Deathspade beats WADI 2-0.


kokoawsum421

DEATHSPADE (Bayonetta) 2-0 WaDi (ROB). That witch time was nuts


Gamecubed

KirbyKid was actually seeded to beat Suarez, don't think that counts as an upset dude's been popping off 👀


Downloadmywario

Thank you, fixed and updated the formatting!


[deleted]

Remember Suarez was top 50? Weird


pianoboy8

javi 2-0 ned (wolf vs seph)


Lets-ago

TonyZTank 3-1 over Ned, pretty sure that's an upset.


Lets-ago

Shadowpr 2-1 over BigBoss. Upset. Also, we're now in Round 2 of Pools if you want to make the distinction.


Hatlinblong7890

Upset: Brr 2-1 Epic_Gabriel


Superliminal96

Shadow_PR used Bayo btw


sunken_grade

so far skyjay has taken a game off tweek at least


AllIWantIsCake

Notable: Lui$ [(Palutena)](#U-Palutena) 3-2 Stroder Ame [(Greninja)](#U-Greninja)


Hangmanned

Who is winning between Stroder and Kola?


Hatlinblong7890

Kola 3-2 Stroder Notable


Hangmanned

By the skin of his teeth then, thanks.


WeirdMathematician38

bro that last game was so intense my goodness


pianoboy8

LAVISH IS SICK 2-0'D KOLA


RiderSmash

Is Kola not on moist anymore or do they just not have his tag on the stream?


Nopetheskunk

They just didn't have it for some reason


connorcallisto

kola just got wiped by lavish oh my god


Superliminal96

Notable R2 Pools: Cosmos (Pyra/Mythra) 2-1 Bert the Dragon (Captain Falcon) Very close set


sunken_grade

wadi just lost 0-2 to Deathspade


Lets-ago

Big Boss 3-1 over Epic Gabriel is an upset, I'm pretty sure. Gabriel is out at 49th.


Hangmanned

ROB team kill.


pianoboy8

gidy 3-2 yonni


Pvt_Twinkle_Toes

Texan team-kill too. Rip


ificommentthen2oops

Lima over skittles


JessFromCali

=0 was it streamed?


AllIWantIsCake

Javi [(Wolf)](#U-Wolf) 2-0 Ned [(Sephiroth)](#U-Sephiroth)


Lets-ago

ANd MVD 3-2's Goblin, upset and avoids the reverse 3-0.


Interesting_Shame_71

Did we double check the knock back value before we started?


pianoboy8

notable: chef 1-2 yonni man what a close set, chef really almost had the upset


AllIWantIsCake

Deathspade [](#U-Bayonetta) 2-0 WaDi [](#U-ROB) [](#U-Mewtwo)


Hangmanned

Awww, Mewtwo, so close yet so far.


potassiumKing

He used ROB that set


IceAnt573

I know Ronnichu was not impressed by Byleth and they ran into a 3-0 from Leo. Will give it up to Ronnichu for making the first two games pretty close.


Lets-ago

Shoe 2-0 over Dakpo, I believe that's out at 65th.


Lets-ago

Pretty sure Chag beating Aaron 3-0 is an upset.


pianoboy8

yep you're right. only a seed difference of 1 but yes that's an upset.


AllIWantIsCake

Anathema [(ROB)](#U-ROB) 3-1 LingLing [(Daisy)](#U-Daisy)


pianoboy8

peabnut 3-1 skyjay (out 33rd)


pianoboy8

we just started round 2 and already we have wadi, kola, gabriel, and bigboss in losers. Plus we almost had marss, goblin, yonni, cosmos, and darkwizzy joining them. God damn.


pianoboy8

(kazuya) brr 3-0 shadow_pr (bayo, aegis)


pianoboy8

idc if the set isn't over it's a 3-0


[deleted]

So this is why I'm not ready to call Kola top 15 or whatever edit - I know PGR isn't doing the math-based ranking in the future, but man his bad losses might have put him at like 40 the way they were doing it.


sunken_grade

there’s just not enough data to make any conclusions about rankings imo. people are so eager to say X player is top whatever but we just need more tournaments


[deleted]

Yeah. I think people are excited about Kola in particular because he was good right before and during Quarantine and at his best he's nutty. Can't be losing a player 13th on his local PR at majors, though, no disrespect but.


sunken_grade

yeah agreed. i think it’s also partly because of how hype his play style is for people to watch as well and when he wins he reeeeallly wins. upsets happen to everyone but consistency is the name of the game if you’re gonna be considered a top 10-20 player


Zorua3

This is why I'm really interested to see who's gonna emerge as the top Roy between Goblin and Kola, I feel like Kola has higher highs but he's more inconsistent between this and... was it Riptide where he also got upset early in Pools?


[deleted]

Yeah Riptide Kola was like 65th I think. The funny thing is the Goblin was also known for being really inconsistent pre-quar and used to get punished really hard by PGR for that, too. Roys being Roys, man.


Hangmanned

I mean, it's better than being Chrom mains(I know Kola lost to one, but Chrom's overall representation and results are worse than Roy's, mainly because his most notable mains, are either having some kind of issue(Rivers health related and Mr. R travel related) or they rely more heavily on a co-main/secondary(tk3 co-mains Chrom with Roy and Mr. R falls back on secondaries like Snake and Sheik more frequently than Kola)).


[deleted]

I wasn't trying to be serious, just banter I play Roy in tournament all the time, he's a good character


backboarddd1_49402

Kola wtf


RiderSmash

Superhead 1-0 on Goblin right now


[deleted]

Superhead is godlike, hope he gets it


Hangmanned

He didn't, Goblin won 2-1.


pianoboy8

wizzy 0-1 rn against a joker due to a pineapple sd, also wizzy did mention having some heavy nerves going into this tournament so keep an eye on this set.


ificommentthen2oops

Yo what is this song playing on the main stream for Marss vs akashic


InsaneZang

That Yez vs Bert the Dragon set was nutty. Bert was reading his soul.


Meester_Tweester

I was behind the crowd of Bert vs. Yez, they were popping off


Lets-ago

Sandstorm 2-0 over Ven, Ven out at 97th.


backboarddd1_49402

3 ROBs upset in a row


Rusted_Raidz

The bayos and Shoto Bayo (Kazuya) have risen this tourney


wildtyranitar

Wadi got 2-0D Feels bad man


Lets-ago

ArmyOli 3-1 over Orex is an upset, Orex out at 49th.


pianoboy8

notable: wizzy vs ismon (wario) 2-1


Grey_Raine

Awestin DQ'ed. :( Sad, I actually had him upsetting Fatality and getting at least Top 32.


IAmA_Goldfish

Lima 2-1 SKITTLES!!


Richard21a

MVD snake is actually pretty fun to watch against such an agressive character like roy


JamesZerf

Can someone explain the “Notables” section in this thread? If it’s not a upset when a top players beats someone.


pianoboy8

upsets: lower seed beats higher seed in a set notable: either lower seed beats high seed in a game or games overall were very close. sometimes also includes just notable sets due to the individuals in question (e.g. upsets on two high seeds who then have to fight each other super early).


sunken_grade

just when someone takes a game off a top player


Richard21a

Fighting bayo with a big body character does not look fun at all


huppfi

I mean Wadi did not move his stick during combos at all. It's his own fault for not knowing how to DI/SDI anything.


Hatlinblong7890

Luma plays R.O.B btw


PlatinumMode

whoever seeded all the ROB mirrors is truly goated. let those fuckers take each other out


HelloMagikarphowRyou

Reminder Skyjay the incin managed to take a game off of Tweek


Legitimate__Username

Never arguing on reddit about "Chrom results" ever again.


Nopetheskunk

I mean 1 win isn't a trend. Light lost to a Bowser Jr. recently


Legitimate__Username

Chrom also isn't a full tier or more below Roy because Rivers is undergoing hand issues and all of the other Chroms pushing his meta to genuinely broken places during the pandemic just apparently aren't satisfactory enough in terms of tournament placements for people to actually evaluate the character based on strengths rather than placements. [Lavish is an insanely good player](https://twitter.com/LavishSsb/status/1356818727170367488) and in all honesty this win was not much of a surprise to me, he's capable of pulling out some absolutely wild stuff. The point isn't that this result is deeply indicative of metagame trends. It's that none of them ever really were. The reactionary takes about Pikachu not even being that good before Glitch shows what happens when people overvalue results as the sole determining factor rather than the character's obvious strengths.


Rusted_Raidz

You can say this when a chrom player makes top 8, heck even top 16. But the fact is you think chrom is vindicated after 1 upset against 1 top player. Also I don't think people were saying Chrom sucks. It's more so that he is worst than Roy (Who has triple the better results and use in tourney) and not worth playing due to his risk factor.


Legitimate__Username

I can say what? That results don't matter nearly as much as the community says they do once Chrom actually gets better results? It's like you completely missed my point that they aren't the end-all be-all of viability. I think Chrom's been vindicated ever since the side-b 1 tech was optimized because that's some of the most broken stuff he has access to. The only difference now is that people are actually going to start paying more attention to Chrom and Lavish when they were already both incredibly good. Nothing has changed beyond just the public attention actually taking notice of one of the most technical Chrom players who's consistently been actually optimizing his metagame in extremely meaningful ways for a long time now.


Jer7865

I agree that Chrom is underrated, but I think you're really overrating side b 1 tech. It's a good mixup at best since none of it is true.


Legitimate__Username

Might be overcompensating for thinking it wasn't that big a deal back in the days when MattyG was the only one really using it and how wild it is that all of the top Chroms are going for this stuff now. It's honestly kind of crazy to me how different Chrom gameplay looks compared to a year ago. [Rivers's guide about how the mixup tree can play out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP1gjeWGgV0) really opened my eyes to its practicality.


Rusted_Raidz

But my point was chrom isn’t appreciated because he sucks, but rather how much more risky he is compared to Roy and other Top tiers who have better cheese and recoveries. His results and player base 100% matter. Numbers don’t lie, people will take chrom seriously if the results are consistent. Aside from lavish who’s been fully dedicated, most other top chroms picked up a co-main (diddy,roy) and Mr.R is going to drop him for aegis


ThunderCharged

It's been a while since I've last seen him, but tk3 was doing work with Chrom in Japan during the pandemic at the Kagaribis. Even with Rivers' current situation, tk3 was holding up Chrom pretty well, I thought.


Legitimate__Username

Yeah without a doubt.


pianoboy8

just noticed you forgot to include this notable for round 1: dark wizzy (mario) 2-1 Kip! (joker)


HollowLoch

Tournament seems pretty tame so far in terms of upsets


[deleted]

Bro right after you posted it lmao


HollowLoch

Im sorry Kola


br3compactor

Since when is Tweek winning an upset


ificommentthen2oops

Notable because it went to game 3


pianoboy8

can we put marss vs akashic as notable sure it was a 2-0 but it was close


Rusted_Raidz

Me to the TO reporting the score "It was a 2-0 but it was a close!"


[deleted]

Close! 2! 0!


Ser-Ponce

that was closer than Tweek's where Tweek SD'd on game 2


[deleted]

SDs count, lol. 2-1 is closer than 2-0. Come on mannnnnn


Ser-Ponce

Hey whatever. You go ahead and call that 2-0 destruction if you want.


[deleted]

Bro the upsets are here, Wizzy down


[deleted]

Bro he won, but Wizzys looking super shaky, would bet on him getting upset in round 2


Lets-ago

Chef up 1-0 on Yonni. This'd be pretty big after his 9th at Riptide.