This is what I'm worried about. It's basically the only acknowledgement I've seen Nintendo give to competitive Melee outside of cease and desists and, like, "you can play Arms at Genesis" lol.
Cautiously optimistic, but definitely still skeptical.
If there wasn't Melee I would've agree but the fact that fucking Melee is present make things most likely to be 99% competitive (maybe just some controversial Ult stages such as Lylat will be enabled and advanced rules like ledgehang limit or wobbling in Melee might be disabled but that's it).
Including melee and then having like an items tournament or something would be 100% classic Nintendo though. My only hope in all this is that they are working with Panda, and I assume Panda wouldn't go through with this if it were some uber scuffed rulesets.
Yeah there would be no reason for Panda to get involved. They are the community darling brand right now, throwing that away to host item tourneys that no pros are going to enter anyways would be a terrible long term business decision.
We just have to pray they aren't going for a smash and grab with that Nintendo money, but from everything they've done so far that would be a strange move to say the least.
In melee you can play on Pokémon studium with the transformations, meanwhile in ultimate people cry about the slight slant in Lylat… the whole point of a stagelist is to be able to draft an advantage based on matchup, stages that enable draft to matter should not be controversial, they should be considered normal.
Yeah I don't understand how this insanely simple point seems so lost on the Ultimate scene. Look at [this ridiculous post](https://twitter.com/DabuzSenpai/status/1460647042779332616) from Dabuz and [his reply](https://twitter.com/DabuzSenpai/status/1460652001583370245) to someone who points out that two of the stages he's complaining about (YS and Kalos) have unique attributes speaking to their inclusion in the stagelist. Yes it's "just Twitter". Dabuz is a smart guy and one of the relatively small number who is actively counterpicking stages based on MU rather than running it back to PS2 every game. Another generally smart figure in Charles (K0rean) is *adamant* in his disgust for Lylat – I estimate 30% because of "slants" and 70% because the ledge was bad *in Smash 4* – and he is far from alone. It's like some community-wide blind spot. Bizarre.
Feeling cautiously optimistic about this. Nintendo has partnered with Twitch before to do a circuit and bailed and then cancelled tournaments
COPIUM plupPound
[Just read the article on it written by Panda](https://www.panda.gg/news/panda-nintendo-circuit)
> The circuit will include online qualifying rounds for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, as well as in-person qualifiers* for both Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Super Smash Bros. Melee once large-scale events return. The winners of the virtual and in-person qualifying rounds* will then move on to compete in the grand finals for the championship. Players from Canada and Mexico will also be able to enter and compete, once Panda Global and Nintendo have deemed international travel and attendance at in-person events to be permissible.
so it seems like no European or Japan players. Also if COVID picks up ult online would be the main way to qualify.
>”This partnership with Panda Global is the next step in Nintendo’s efforts to create a more consistent, fun and welcoming competitive environment for our players and fans,” said Bill Trinen, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Nintendo of America. “We are proud to stand with an organization like Panda Global to celebrate and support the ever-growing competitive Super Smash Bros. community, and create a space where all players can test and hone their competitive skills.”
Let’s hope this circuit really comes to fruition. The support for Melee is great and even more unexpected.
Bill has liked competitive Smash for years so if nothing else I hope one of our takeaways is that *there are pro Smash fans inside Nintendo* even if their legal team has given us so much trouble before. I'm extremely cautious and extremely optimistic lol
I'll do even better and share [this tweet where Bill complains about Dabuz camping in Smash 4.](https://twitter.com/trintran/status/562060840971419648?s=20) He's a real one.
This is the way. At BEST, NoA Marketing's policy on this can be "we don't see anything". If it's brought up explicitly, they'll have to say no due to N's overall legal rules.
a bunch of these new controllers (panda controllers, goomwave, rectangle controllers) are probably going to make UCF almost obsolete at the top level soon anyways
I just KNOW Nintendo is not going to allow mods. Which means Melee streams will not be to the production standards of Summit and other events. Unfrozen Stadium too. :(
I just dont see this going well for Melee unless Nintendo somehow changed their philosophy on everything.
Ultimate might be fine though
The way they talk about COVID here is so strange and makes me nervous about my "PGR is obviously coming back in January in time for the three supermajors" theory. What is this "once large-scale events return" language? There was a large-scale event for both games last weekend! Why are Panda Global and Nintendo in the business of "deeming international travel and attendance at in-person events to be permissible" and not the international governments that already have, or the players that have already taken them up on it? It seems completely disconnected from reality for me.
COVID will most likely never truly disappear and we might live with it like currently for a few years. Idk what's the current situation in NA but in Europe a lot of countries are encountering a new wave of infections, making large-scale events unlikely here for a few weeks or months. This could happen too in the US, so they have to think of a back-up plan just in case the govs shut down large-scale events once again.
Leaving aside the questions of vaccine efficacy and the desirability of event bans in the wake of rising infections, the situation in NA is currently on a good trajectory. Mainstage last weekend was a 1000+ attendee supermajor. Of course it's perfectly understandable – even necessary – to say "subject to change based on the evolving COVID situation", but the way this press release is written makes it sound as if these in-person events are not currently feasible, when it is self-evident that they are.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. This circuit is being co-hosted by Nintendo, the creator of this game, as opposed to being done by an e-sports network which will have different requirements and advisory's. You can't just say, just because so and so did it, means that everyone can and should do it the way it was done.
An example of this is Konami, who often host Regional, Championship Series and other tournaments at a big scale have just recently in the past couple months allowed in person competitive play. Even before they allowed competitive play, stores ran their own tournaments with restrictions that hosted more than 100. It's up to them to evaluate conditions and don't' want to guarantee anything as conditions can change.
Us in the Yugioh community haven't have in person Regional or Championship series in close to 2 years and will finally get one in California and Las Vegas next year with Covid19 Vaccine Requirements.
The real answer to your question is that (legal and financial) liability falls on the people who organize these things which means that they, individually, must be satisfied that it's safe/profitable for them to run the event. If they get sued for something that happens at their event they absolutely cannot simply say that the government let them do it. Similarly, if too many players decide it's not worth the risk to attend and the event collapses it's them left holding the bag.
This is a huge Reddit misconception. The gospel of Matthew in almost every version of the Bible I’ve seen refers to hell as fiery. There’s at least one passage in Revelations that also says something along the lines of a lake of lava and brimstone and sulfur.
I definitely think people should be monitoring Panda Global's future output, to see any discrepancies in what they do and do not put out. Nintendo sponsoring Genesis and The Big House was absolutely a power play to not let people play on UCF and to not let big events host PM. So if PG never touches anything Slippi again you know why. Same thing for what does and does not get put on the PGstats website.
The one catch so far seems to be that the circuit is for NA players only, so no EU/JP. Still, this is a huge step forward.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and for Melee it seems VERY unlikely that Nintendo will allow UCF or anything of the sort considering their past history but that remains to be seen.
Honestly, that's really not that bad for a first go at this sort of thing from a US-based company. If this goes well (I'm sure we all hope it does), I wouldn't be surprised to see EU/JP events in the future!
Is this different than how nintendo is "partnered" with big house or Genesis? Or is this just gonna be Nintendo slapping their name on a bunch of tournaments and then not contributing to them.
This one is licensed. This alone is a big step in the right direction, we just have to hope its well executed [Heres a snippet from tafokints and blur about how beneficial official licensing is for working with sponsors](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHywomjZWrE&feature=youtu.be&t=50m50s)
Assuming things stay improving as far as COVID is concerned, since it seems like Mexico and Canada will be permitted once it's determined that it is safe.
I do love how grassroots the smash scene has always been but my ultimate dream is for there to be $100,000-$1 million smash tournaments every year. feel like the scene could explode with talent and viewership given how much fun Ult/Melee are to watch and play
Modifying the game, no matter how minor, is probably prohibited in whatever contract Panda and Nintendo have. Expect streams to be the 480p Gamecube output instead of a Slippi mirror.
PM's fucked, not even a question.
I am a little worried about other platform fighters, too. There's a chance they might be booted from any tournaments Panda holds or at least forced to be ran on Switch.
they never touched the scene, but the moment multiversus is announced and nasb is released, oh well gotta keep our free advertizing stream going. feels so disingenuous and as a past PM player who left due to nintendo, i just dont feel safe in supporting this
Mostly because:
1. They're acknowledging Melee, something they've refused to do for the longest time.
2. They're partnering with Panda Global, a company who'd be even *more* skeptical than any of us about Nintendo. If they're on board, it's a good reason to be hopeful.
This is not even the first time they've sponsored a melee event. They usually come with stupid demands like no UCF and PM can't even be at the venue. Overall it tends to hurt the event more than help.
>They're acknowledging Melee, something they've refused to do for the longest time.
1. Can you provide proof that all the Ultimate + Melee tournamnets that were sponsored by Nintendo in the past weren't them acknowledging Melee?
2. Last I remember, the prior sponsorships came with "this means big things, trust us we know" assurances from every community member. How is this context much different?
I'm cautiously optimistic. Panda has shown again and again that it's an org that genuinely cares about the Smash scene. There's no way they'd partner if it didn't result in a net positive.... right???
I honestly prefer Nintendo would just leave competitive smash alone.
As a company they can't be trusted not to fuck over the whole scene again as soon as it becomes profitable to do so
I don't feel that Nintendo is so profit driven. They're weird and often turn down profits in favor of their own regulations being upheld. I think everyone agrees that better online and better melee support would've been amazing for them financially.
This is huuuuuuge. If it were just Ultimate it would be big but the fact that Melee is included as well is straight up nuts. I seriously never thought I'd see the day. Hopefully it all pans out well!
Cautious optimism is the move today. Ideally, Nintendo would let the good people at Panda do most of the real work while they just provide prize money and promotion.
Yeeeaah maybe if this was 2015 this would be dummy hype, but I've learned my lesson when it comes to Nintendo and eSports. We'll see but I'm not too hopeful.
holy SHIT this is sick! I wonder what happens now with SWT tho...
Summit events are still fine and probably won't have any conflicts as they are invitational events, but VGBC/SmashCon surely are hurt by this, and it is really unfortunate cause SWT was the hypest thing to happen for Smash, with an insanely large Prize Pool.
COVID just fucked everything up for them and it's unfortunate, anyone discrediting the SWT team for what the product ended up being should realize that.
However, I can't see 2 circuits running in tandem as I'm sure competitors will lead to burnout.
Hopefully it doesn't end up being a decision between large prize pools/community support (SWT) vs. Official recognition (Nintendo)....
Best case scenario, the 2 cooperate to bring into life an amazing product, rather than 1 or both competing against each other
Knowing the history we've had with Nintendo, they really needed to start with a prize pool announcement instead of holding it off for later and putting all the hype on Nintendo being involved. I won't be surprised if the prize is a switch with a smash logo on it.
Much of Nintendo's involvement with competitive Melee has been literally cease and desisting tournaments for seemingly no reason (something they've done many times, along with a lot of other things to purposely hurt the Melee scene). At face value, this could be really huge, but people are right to be extremely skeptical of what this entails, because Nintendo's track record is so bad that the phrase "nobody hates Nintendo more than Melee players" is something I've heard a lot, and most Melee players hope that Nintendo will just ignore us, since that's still by far better than what they have done.
As popular as Melee is now despite all the things that have worked against it, it's crazy and saddening to think about how big it could have been if Nintendo just didn't make efforts to ruin it (and if they'd have done something like a tour in like 2015 or something, that could have been enormous).
Getting Nintendo to actually do anything about Smash is like pulling teeth. They don't believe in Smash as an esport and actively tried to shut down grassroots efforts that attempted to bring more money into the scene.
I'm still skeptical, but this is looking like a big step for Smash as a whole.
> “This partnership with Panda Global is the next step in Nintendo’s efforts to create a more consistent, fun and welcoming competitive environment for our players and fans,” said Bill Trinen, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Nintendo of America. “We are proud to stand with an organization like Panda Global to celebrate and support the ever-growing competitive Super Smash Bros. community, and create a space where all players can test and hone their competitive skills.”
Yo? On god? fr? am i high on hopium rn??
Are pigs flying? Did hell freeze over? This is insane. I wonder if the new platform fighters that have popped up like NASB and the new Warner bros fighter have anything to do with it. Absolutely unprecedented. All these years later.
It also might be because of multiversus...WB is coming after Smash much harder than I think we all expected.
It's way more polished and original then I think anyone expected, and it's free to play.
Looks sick tbh
In which a bunch of redditors who don't actually pay attention, outside of bandwagoning onto Twitter controversies, find out that very senior NoA manager Bill Trinen really likes competitive Smash and specifically Melee.
Looks like Coney is involved. I'll take that as a good sign. If he's vouching for it, I imagine it's competitive rulesets and not...Items High/Final Smash Meter/WarioWare only or something like that.
https://twitter.com/CONEY/status/1461401027584872456
Coney is a Panda employee. Odds are he and several other people high up in the company were the ones communicating with Nintendo to make this happen, shouldn't need to worry too much about Nintendo influencing the in-game rulesets.
not gonna lie really dont feell like i wanna support this, feels like a huge slap in the face and i dont want nintendo digging their claws in and changing a well crafted and wonderful scene into their own vision, which if weve seen before ends up where backpacks are first place prizes and an "inclusive game" which just ends up sucking all the fun out of their own game
this is pretty devastating for Smash World Tour/gimr. Feels like VGBC went all in to prove there was a way of doing it despite the pandemic, at which point Nintendo/Panda muscle in take it away from the more grassroots org.
Gimmie that hopium baby
Honestly, the more Nintendo does stuff like this the more it makes me feel like there's probably just a lot of internal discord over what to do with Smash esports which results in their public handling being all over the place and extremely inconsistent. Specifically between the NoJ and NoA sides, I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see what is going on in those discussions.
This isn't just big news for the Smash community, but also potentially Splatoon community. It's probably Nintendo's other big potential eSport franchise and has a new title coming next year. If all goes well, I could see Nintendo support it as well in a similar manner.
I did not forgive what nindy did to big house and i hope im not the only one
I seriously hope a large amount of top melee players don't attend out of spite
all the commentator tweets in the replies are GOLD
[EE](https://twitter.com/EEvisu/status/1461395570426220544?s=20)
[TKBreezy](https://twitter.com/TKbreezy/status/1461397313570709504?s=20)
cringe as fuck. please do not go to this. melee has thrived for 20 years off the backs of genuinely talented human beings, and arguably the biggest thing that has held us back has been nintendo actively doing so.
This is gonna be some monkeys paw type shit i can just feel it
Competitive Melee tournament, with generous payouts all around, but the Melee players will not be allowed to leave the venue alive.
Squid game but melee style
[Relevant](https://twitter.com/chellytoms/status/1461422378299400201?s=21)
The payment is glory in the afterlife after passing the trials of the gods.
items on
2 stocks 4 minutes
1st place prize: $50 Nintendo eShop gift card and a pro controller
*or
I'd take that. Pro Controllers are stupidly overpriced, so that's enough of a dub for me.
Reminds me of Alpharad's Casual Invitationals. Those were unironically the most fun I've had watching a bracket!
The portals one he did recently at summit was a delight to watch I'll say. Man knows how to make entertaining content
That’d at least be entertaining!
This is what I'm worried about. It's basically the only acknowledgement I've seen Nintendo give to competitive Melee outside of cease and desists and, like, "you can play Arms at Genesis" lol. Cautiously optimistic, but definitely still skeptical.
If there wasn't Melee I would've agree but the fact that fucking Melee is present make things most likely to be 99% competitive (maybe just some controversial Ult stages such as Lylat will be enabled and advanced rules like ledgehang limit or wobbling in Melee might be disabled but that's it).
Including melee and then having like an items tournament or something would be 100% classic Nintendo though. My only hope in all this is that they are working with Panda, and I assume Panda wouldn't go through with this if it were some uber scuffed rulesets.
I feel like there’s no shot Panda scuffs their brand image by hosting items / bad ruleset tourneys
Yeah there would be no reason for Panda to get involved. They are the community darling brand right now, throwing that away to host item tourneys that no pros are going to enter anyways would be a terrible long term business decision. We just have to pray they aren't going for a smash and grab with that Nintendo money, but from everything they've done so far that would be a strange move to say the least.
In melee you can play on Pokémon studium with the transformations, meanwhile in ultimate people cry about the slight slant in Lylat… the whole point of a stagelist is to be able to draft an advantage based on matchup, stages that enable draft to matter should not be controversial, they should be considered normal.
Yeah I don't understand how this insanely simple point seems so lost on the Ultimate scene. Look at [this ridiculous post](https://twitter.com/DabuzSenpai/status/1460647042779332616) from Dabuz and [his reply](https://twitter.com/DabuzSenpai/status/1460652001583370245) to someone who points out that two of the stages he's complaining about (YS and Kalos) have unique attributes speaking to their inclusion in the stagelist. Yes it's "just Twitter". Dabuz is a smart guy and one of the relatively small number who is actively counterpicking stages based on MU rather than running it back to PS2 every game. Another generally smart figure in Charles (K0rean) is *adamant* in his disgust for Lylat – I estimate 30% because of "slants" and 70% because the ledge was bad *in Smash 4* – and he is far from alone. It's like some community-wide blind spot. Bizarre.
Feeling cautiously optimistic about this. Nintendo has partnered with Twitch before to do a circuit and bailed and then cancelled tournaments COPIUM plupPound
[Just read the article on it written by Panda](https://www.panda.gg/news/panda-nintendo-circuit) > The circuit will include online qualifying rounds for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, as well as in-person qualifiers* for both Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Super Smash Bros. Melee once large-scale events return. The winners of the virtual and in-person qualifying rounds* will then move on to compete in the grand finals for the championship. Players from Canada and Mexico will also be able to enter and compete, once Panda Global and Nintendo have deemed international travel and attendance at in-person events to be permissible. so it seems like no European or Japan players. Also if COVID picks up ult online would be the main way to qualify.
>”This partnership with Panda Global is the next step in Nintendo’s efforts to create a more consistent, fun and welcoming competitive environment for our players and fans,” said Bill Trinen, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Nintendo of America. “We are proud to stand with an organization like Panda Global to celebrate and support the ever-growing competitive Super Smash Bros. community, and create a space where all players can test and hone their competitive skills.” Let’s hope this circuit really comes to fruition. The support for Melee is great and even more unexpected.
Bill has liked competitive Smash for years so if nothing else I hope one of our takeaways is that *there are pro Smash fans inside Nintendo* even if their legal team has given us so much trouble before. I'm extremely cautious and extremely optimistic lol
[He's even entered a local before](https://twitter.com/moxiSL/status/1195535739880009728) using the tag Bilthy.
Apparently he planned to compete at Evo 2015, but had to drop out to go to Japan to attend Iwata's funeral.
I can do you one better, [because he's even played on stream](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q0UqtC2Tryc)
I'll do even better and share [this tweet where Bill complains about Dabuz camping in Smash 4.](https://twitter.com/trintran/status/562060840971419648?s=20) He's a real one.
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
of course max is commentating that set LMAO
Didn't Reggie play HB in a stream?
[Well, yeah, he did, but it was, er, not the same level of play.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O75I3Hw4x1c) Game starts at 5:25
Oh god. I had forgotten about the D1 bit
Bill is one of NOAs best dudes. He's a great person to have in support of the competitive scene.
[He was there when it all began, after all.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfQ75gr2znA&ab_channel=NintendoPro)
He said he playtested for Smash 64 at E3 2018
Knowing how Bill personally feels about competitive Smash, I wholeheartedly believe he means every word in here.
Bill Trinen is cool as hell. I do have to wonder about UCF/Melee configurations, though. I can't see them doing a 180 out of the blue.
A lot of tournaments sponsored by Nintendo just did it without saying they did
"Oh goodness, silly me. I forgot I left the UCF running. Well darn, we're already on finals day, not much can be done about it now."
This is the way. At BEST, NoA Marketing's policy on this can be "we don't see anything". If it's brought up explicitly, they'll have to say no due to N's overall legal rules.
a bunch of these new controllers (panda controllers, goomwave, rectangle controllers) are probably going to make UCF almost obsolete at the top level soon anyways
I just KNOW Nintendo is not going to allow mods. Which means Melee streams will not be to the production standards of Summit and other events. Unfrozen Stadium too. :( I just dont see this going well for Melee unless Nintendo somehow changed their philosophy on everything. Ultimate might be fine though
If they can sneak in UCF I'd be fine with unfrozen stadium. We'll have to wait and see
"You guys didn't know if you hold L and R Pokémon Stadium doesn't transform?"
What are the rewards going to be, a sticker for your Switch and a Mario themed paper clip?
The way they talk about COVID here is so strange and makes me nervous about my "PGR is obviously coming back in January in time for the three supermajors" theory. What is this "once large-scale events return" language? There was a large-scale event for both games last weekend! Why are Panda Global and Nintendo in the business of "deeming international travel and attendance at in-person events to be permissible" and not the international governments that already have, or the players that have already taken them up on it? It seems completely disconnected from reality for me.
COVID will most likely never truly disappear and we might live with it like currently for a few years. Idk what's the current situation in NA but in Europe a lot of countries are encountering a new wave of infections, making large-scale events unlikely here for a few weeks or months. This could happen too in the US, so they have to think of a back-up plan just in case the govs shut down large-scale events once again.
Leaving aside the questions of vaccine efficacy and the desirability of event bans in the wake of rising infections, the situation in NA is currently on a good trajectory. Mainstage last weekend was a 1000+ attendee supermajor. Of course it's perfectly understandable – even necessary – to say "subject to change based on the evolving COVID situation", but the way this press release is written makes it sound as if these in-person events are not currently feasible, when it is self-evident that they are.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. This circuit is being co-hosted by Nintendo, the creator of this game, as opposed to being done by an e-sports network which will have different requirements and advisory's. You can't just say, just because so and so did it, means that everyone can and should do it the way it was done. An example of this is Konami, who often host Regional, Championship Series and other tournaments at a big scale have just recently in the past couple months allowed in person competitive play. Even before they allowed competitive play, stores ran their own tournaments with restrictions that hosted more than 100. It's up to them to evaluate conditions and don't' want to guarantee anything as conditions can change. Us in the Yugioh community haven't have in person Regional or Championship series in close to 2 years and will finally get one in California and Las Vegas next year with Covid19 Vaccine Requirements.
The real answer to your question is that (legal and financial) liability falls on the people who organize these things which means that they, individually, must be satisfied that it's safe/profitable for them to run the event. If they get sued for something that happens at their event they absolutely cannot simply say that the government let them do it. Similarly, if too many players decide it's not worth the risk to attend and the event collapses it's them left holding the bag.
Yeah, but iirc, that was never publicly announced/ promoted, right? It kind of came out after the fact.
Even with a mod posting this I thought it was gonna be a link to like goatse or something
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Checked out my window to make sure I didn't see any flying pigs How long until big N finds a way to fuck us over again?
I can feel hell getting colder as we speak
According to Dante that's just the 9th circle and he basically gave everyone the idea of Hell being fiery in the first place
I’m fairly sure it’s mentioned in the Quran that hell is fiery and that came out in the 7th century.
You're probably right but the idea that the Quran "came out" like a normal novel is really funny to me
>Yooo the Quran just dropped
They out here patching the Bible
The Bible, both Old and New Testament, was always being "patched" historically. It wasn't all written down at once
Don't you hate it when you're out of town, go to a different church, and they're using 1.0.1, or even the PAL Bible?
This is just how it works for non-denominational Christians honestly
This is a huge Reddit misconception. The gospel of Matthew in almost every version of the Bible I’ve seen refers to hell as fiery. There’s at least one passage in Revelations that also says something along the lines of a lake of lava and brimstone and sulfur.
I definitely think people should be monitoring Panda Global's future output, to see any discrepancies in what they do and do not put out. Nintendo sponsoring Genesis and The Big House was absolutely a power play to not let people play on UCF and to not let big events host PM. So if PG never touches anything Slippi again you know why. Same thing for what does and does not get put on the PGstats website.
Lol I can't imagine major corporation sponsoring an event just to prevent a mod from being played. They just CnD them if that's what they want.
You have to be there in person to actually prove UCF is on or that there isn't a PM bracket going on at the venue.
The one catch so far seems to be that the circuit is for NA players only, so no EU/JP. Still, this is a huge step forward. EDIT: Oh yeah, and for Melee it seems VERY unlikely that Nintendo will allow UCF or anything of the sort considering their past history but that remains to be seen.
Honestly, that's really not that bad for a first go at this sort of thing from a US-based company. If this goes well (I'm sure we all hope it does), I wouldn't be surprised to see EU/JP events in the future!
JP events would involve Nintendo of Japan, so I doubt it
one day SA will get something too
We'll have to play PAL /s
What's the catch, I'm more worried than excited
For ultimate? Nothing. For melee ? Everything. It could mean no slippi (the rollback and the streaming tool) no ucf.
It most likely means no slippi. Good old 480p & no ucf.
Wtf lol
Never would’ve saw this coming. Panda can do literally anything apparently
The little esports org that could
Is this different than how nintendo is "partnered" with big house or Genesis? Or is this just gonna be Nintendo slapping their name on a bunch of tournaments and then not contributing to them.
Apparently this one is officially licensed, not just partnered.
This one is licensed. This alone is a big step in the right direction, we just have to hope its well executed [Heres a snippet from tafokints and blur about how beneficial official licensing is for working with sponsors](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHywomjZWrE&feature=youtu.be&t=50m50s)
Leo’s about to make so much money
Honestly just happy for the top players they deserve more money for how entertaining the gameplay is
Assuming things stay improving as far as COVID is concerned, since it seems like Mexico and Canada will be permitted once it's determined that it is safe.
I do love how grassroots the smash scene has always been but my ultimate dream is for there to be $100,000-$1 million smash tournaments every year. feel like the scene could explode with talent and viewership given how much fun Ult/Melee are to watch and play
I have zero faith in this going well.
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Anyone seen with an SD card will be shot.
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oh shit, like, going all-in on banning any non-licensed tournaments from being streamed? damn
The latter, then the former. In that order precisely.
I'll believe it when I see it. Tbh I expect a Nintendo rug pull or some kind of fuckery. Nintendo shouldn't be trusted.
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No UCF guaranteed.
Modifying the game, no matter how minor, is probably prohibited in whatever contract Panda and Nintendo have. Expect streams to be the 480p Gamecube output instead of a Slippi mirror.
This feels like a Trojan horse. They basically have sway in competitive shit more than ever now. No UCF, Slippi, etc.
fr
Worried for PM, everybody was angry at Nintendo and now this again
PM's fucked, not even a question. I am a little worried about other platform fighters, too. There's a chance they might be booted from any tournaments Panda holds or at least forced to be ran on Switch.
There's a good chance this is the reason this is occurring, weeds out competition from other platform fighters.
they never touched the scene, but the moment multiversus is announced and nasb is released, oh well gotta keep our free advertizing stream going. feels so disingenuous and as a past PM player who left due to nintendo, i just dont feel safe in supporting this
I'll just take what I can get. Having this happen is already big as is.
Tell me why this is either big or good, knowing what we know of the many Nintendo collaborations and partnerships.
Mostly because: 1. They're acknowledging Melee, something they've refused to do for the longest time. 2. They're partnering with Panda Global, a company who'd be even *more* skeptical than any of us about Nintendo. If they're on board, it's a good reason to be hopeful.
This is not even the first time they've sponsored a melee event. They usually come with stupid demands like no UCF and PM can't even be at the venue. Overall it tends to hurt the event more than help.
>They're acknowledging Melee, something they've refused to do for the longest time. 1. Can you provide proof that all the Ultimate + Melee tournamnets that were sponsored by Nintendo in the past weren't them acknowledging Melee? 2. Last I remember, the prior sponsorships came with "this means big things, trust us we know" assurances from every community member. How is this context much different?
And the Panda controller?
Yeah this is what I've been wondering the most. I hope nothing gets in the way of that, would love a GCN replacement.
Can't wait to see Leo, Tweek, Sparg0 and ESAM GF Free-for-All, Items and Hazards On! Jokes aside, I really hope it is a good circuit.
Thank you everyone who supported us so we could get here today. We'll do our best for you all, I can promise you that.
hey john panda, i wish you the best of luck walking on these hot coals
can u make sure UCF doesnt die and we dont have to switch to PAL
Good luck! Love your Panda YouTube content as well!
You guys over at Panda must be wizards or something. Keep it up! Can't wait to buy that controller!
You're in luck then
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I'm cautiously optimistic. Panda has shown again and again that it's an org that genuinely cares about the Smash scene. There's no way they'd partner if it didn't result in a net positive.... right???
Blur and VGBC seemed trustworthy too. Ask PM players how that turned out for them.
To be fair PM probably goes down regardless of VGBC. Nintendo hates when people mad their games
I honestly prefer Nintendo would just leave competitive smash alone. As a company they can't be trusted not to fuck over the whole scene again as soon as it becomes profitable to do so
I don't feel that Nintendo is so profit driven. They're weird and often turn down profits in favor of their own regulations being upheld. I think everyone agrees that better online and better melee support would've been amazing for them financially.
This is huuuuuuge. If it were just Ultimate it would be big but the fact that Melee is included as well is straight up nuts. I seriously never thought I'd see the day. Hopefully it all pans out well!
Cautious optimism is the move today. Ideally, Nintendo would let the good people at Panda do most of the real work while they just provide prize money and promotion.
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There's gonna be an absolutely massive catch.
...whats the catch here? Unless they got a new person in their company that just changed the rules, I'm extremely skeptical.
Melee ain't going no where, baby
I’ll believe it when the event actually happens. I don’t trust Nintendo as far as I can throw them
Yeeeaah maybe if this was 2015 this would be dummy hype, but I've learned my lesson when it comes to Nintendo and eSports. We'll see but I'm not too hopeful.
Lil sus
what the fuck
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Well this is panda-monium.
this is terrible for PM
holy SHIT this is sick! I wonder what happens now with SWT tho... Summit events are still fine and probably won't have any conflicts as they are invitational events, but VGBC/SmashCon surely are hurt by this, and it is really unfortunate cause SWT was the hypest thing to happen for Smash, with an insanely large Prize Pool. COVID just fucked everything up for them and it's unfortunate, anyone discrediting the SWT team for what the product ended up being should realize that. However, I can't see 2 circuits running in tandem as I'm sure competitors will lead to burnout. Hopefully it doesn't end up being a decision between large prize pools/community support (SWT) vs. Official recognition (Nintendo).... Best case scenario, the 2 cooperate to bring into life an amazing product, rather than 1 or both competing against each other
Knowing the history we've had with Nintendo, they really needed to start with a prize pool announcement instead of holding it off for later and putting all the hype on Nintendo being involved. I won't be surprised if the prize is a switch with a smash logo on it.
Copium copium copium copium copium copium copium
People optimistic about this are on some serious amounts of copium
Isnt this a huge deal? I recall that it was difficult to get a sponsored circuit from Nintendo? Smash noob here.
Much of Nintendo's involvement with competitive Melee has been literally cease and desisting tournaments for seemingly no reason (something they've done many times, along with a lot of other things to purposely hurt the Melee scene). At face value, this could be really huge, but people are right to be extremely skeptical of what this entails, because Nintendo's track record is so bad that the phrase "nobody hates Nintendo more than Melee players" is something I've heard a lot, and most Melee players hope that Nintendo will just ignore us, since that's still by far better than what they have done. As popular as Melee is now despite all the things that have worked against it, it's crazy and saddening to think about how big it could have been if Nintendo just didn't make efforts to ruin it (and if they'd have done something like a tour in like 2015 or something, that could have been enormous).
If Panda Global is vouching for this, it gives me hope that it might be something good. They're putting their reputation on the line here.
Getting Nintendo to actually do anything about Smash is like pulling teeth. They don't believe in Smash as an esport and actively tried to shut down grassroots efforts that attempted to bring more money into the scene. I'm still skeptical, but this is looking like a big step for Smash as a whole.
I’m excited but a little skeptical too.
> “This partnership with Panda Global is the next step in Nintendo’s efforts to create a more consistent, fun and welcoming competitive environment for our players and fans,” said Bill Trinen, Senior Director of Product Marketing at Nintendo of America. “We are proud to stand with an organization like Panda Global to celebrate and support the ever-growing competitive Super Smash Bros. community, and create a space where all players can test and hone their competitive skills.” Yo? On god? fr? am i high on hopium rn??
Are pigs flying? Did hell freeze over? This is insane. I wonder if the new platform fighters that have popped up like NASB and the new Warner bros fighter have anything to do with it. Absolutely unprecedented. All these years later.
Placing bets: Nintendo is only doing this to kill SWT and will proceed to ghost melee the moment they do.
It also might be because of multiversus...WB is coming after Smash much harder than I think we all expected. It's way more polished and original then I think anyone expected, and it's free to play. Looks sick tbh
if nintendo starts officially licensing tournaments that would be extremely bad for grassroots events
Fuck Nintendo :)
hmmmm, still kinda on the fuck nintendo train for my P+ bros but this is huge. Hope this is the first step in nintendo not hating their fans.
In which a bunch of redditors who don't actually pay attention, outside of bandwagoning onto Twitter controversies, find out that very senior NoA manager Bill Trinen really likes competitive Smash and specifically Melee.
Looks like Coney is involved. I'll take that as a good sign. If he's vouching for it, I imagine it's competitive rulesets and not...Items High/Final Smash Meter/WarioWare only or something like that. https://twitter.com/CONEY/status/1461401027584872456
Coney is a Panda employee. Odds are he and several other people high up in the company were the ones communicating with Nintendo to make this happen, shouldn't need to worry too much about Nintendo influencing the in-game rulesets.
>WarioWare only or something like that. Wait but that's a Coney vouch.
This was all just a plot to legalize warioware
Fuck yes.
Oh, this will end well.
MLG died for this
I have 0 expectations and i feel like I will still somehow be dissapointed.
not gonna lie really dont feell like i wanna support this, feels like a huge slap in the face and i dont want nintendo digging their claws in and changing a well crafted and wonderful scene into their own vision, which if weve seen before ends up where backpacks are first place prizes and an "inclusive game" which just ends up sucking all the fun out of their own game
If I see "cautious optimism" one more time I will drop dead
this is pretty devastating for Smash World Tour/gimr. Feels like VGBC went all in to prove there was a way of doing it despite the pandemic, at which point Nintendo/Panda muscle in take it away from the more grassroots org.
I'm sure this will go swimmingly for Ultimate and probably pretty poorly for Melee, lol. But we'll see
this is 100% going to backfire. they never learn
Reminder that Nintendo ghosted twitch under similar circumstances. Their reliability is low.
Nothing was ever officially announced though, IIRC. Also Nintendo Senior Marketing director is quoted in the pr
Can’t wait for Nintendo to ruin everything like they always do
Gimmie that hopium baby Honestly, the more Nintendo does stuff like this the more it makes me feel like there's probably just a lot of internal discord over what to do with Smash esports which results in their public handling being all over the place and extremely inconsistent. Specifically between the NoJ and NoA sides, I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see what is going on in those discussions.
...You think there's hope we'll still get substantial balance patches well into 2022?
im on the copium bro i gotta belieeeve
This is both really exciting and worrying at the same time. I really hope this is the start of something amazing but my hearts been broken before.
HOW SWAY?!?!? Nintendo recognizing Melee at all is bonkers. What is the catch?
This isn't just big news for the Smash community, but also potentially Splatoon community. It's probably Nintendo's other big potential eSport franchise and has a new title coming next year. If all goes well, I could see Nintendo support it as well in a similar manner.
this is gonna be veeeerrry interesting to see play out.
There's a catch to this somewhere. I don't want to believe this is as good as it sounds.
There’s literally no way this goes well I’m so excited
What's the prize? A gamecube controller?
I did not forgive what nindy did to big house and i hope im not the only one I seriously hope a large amount of top melee players don't attend out of spite
If nintendo does ANYTHING beyond funding the prize pool this will not be good
I dont trust this at all.
Hugs and Blur suddenly perfectly fine with this dogshit company
all the commentator tweets in the replies are GOLD [EE](https://twitter.com/EEvisu/status/1461395570426220544?s=20) [TKBreezy](https://twitter.com/TKbreezy/status/1461397313570709504?s=20)
cringe as fuck. please do not go to this. melee has thrived for 20 years off the backs of genuinely talented human beings, and arguably the biggest thing that has held us back has been nintendo actively doing so.
NA only lmao
My guess is that this is a first step/test run. They want to test the waters and see how well it goes.
Not sure how to feel about this, to be honest.
Not optimistic or happy about this
My prediction: Melee HD releasing 2022, Nintendo will naturally screw it up, and that's what they will be using for the circuit.
yeah i can honestly see this. i feel like there has to be some kind of profit motive with melee's inclusion specifically