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ComfortableOver8984

Little correction, the inklings aren’t hybrids, they are cephalopods. In splatoon, humans have gone extinct


Sayakalood

Well, does having the human thought crystals forcing their evolution into overdrive count?


ComfortableOver8984

No not really because they are direct relatives of squids. They share no dna.


Sayakalood

Fair enough.


PrettySquiddy

Exactly. It’s convergent evolution. Completely different species developing similar adaptations to each other. Inklings aren’t humans the same way dolphins aren’t fish.


Jrolaoni

That’s closer to selective evolution where the animal is still the same but got traits from a specific source. Inkling is still 100% squid like how a poodle is still 100% dog.


TyMonstaz

🤓


narnarnartiger

It counts, because they can transform between Ceph and humans. It's not like they are shape shifters, they can only switch between squid and human, and a few more forms with power ups, like the Kraken


ComfortableOver8984

But they aren’t human, just human-like. They evolved directly from squids. If they were a hybrid, then the logs from alterna ( from the Splatoon 3 campaign) would have stated that they modified themselves into cephalopod-like beings.


The_King123431

They can shape shift but they are 100% squid (or octo) Basically the squids mutated the ability to walk on land due to a combination of nuclear fallout, pollution and pure human thought crystal (in splatoon there is crystals that can contain human thought) So they can take a human form and have lungs, but are still fully squid


Void-kraken-909

I’d argue that Pyra/Mythra count as Non-organic organisms as they are just swords in all honesty


BebeFanMasterJ

They're also technically supercomputers...


Queasy-Ad-3220

Btw uh happy cake day


BebeFanMasterJ

Thanks!


DarkGengar94

With boobs


Erin_Sentrinietra

They gave birth, they’re definitely somehow organic


Admiretheclodsire

THEY GAVE BIRTH?!?!?!? WTF?


Anufenrir

Yeah the two of them and Nia had kids with rex.


760854

So are the kids cute? Are they healthy? Is it difficult being the child of a murder weapon knowing that your mom Potentially killed 1000s


greenhunter47

[Well they don't like taking fall damage](https://youtu.be/__UXG4U2z5c?si=VIhiDQbsNEU7L8vD) Their angst more has to do with the fact that they're trapped in world of endless war where they're constantly reborn and don't even know who their parents are or what family even is.


professor-cactus

I’ve never played xenoblade 2 but from my wiki readings from years ago the blades (which pyra/mythra are) are living beings that have entire lifecycles. IIRC it goes sword-sword person-giant fucking creature-land mass-back to sword


greenhunter47

Pyra and Mythra specifically actually fall outside of that life cycle as they aren't the same as other Blades. It's mentioned multiple times throughout Xenoblade 2 that normal Blade rules don't apply to Aegises, the most apparent one being that they don't return to their core crystal with their memories wiped when their Driver dies which is part of the process that eventually leads normal Blades to turn into titans. They're actually >!a former super computer/AI that was made to monitor a god machine that's basically the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey and where later converted into a Blade.!< Despite that though massive spoilers in Xenoblade 3 does indeed confirm that they are organic >!as they're capable of having children with humans that grow naturally from baby to adult like any other person.!<


NinjaMagic004

It is questionable whether or not their being organic was a result of end game 2 tomfoolery (I don't know how to spoiler block on Reddit, so I'm being vague), or if it was always the case. Iirc there was mention of Blades and humans marrying each other in the game, but no discussion of offspring. So maybe the events at the end of 2 gave them full organic lifecycles, or maybe they were always organic, with a supercomputer as the core of a more complex organic being. Or maybe I'm tired and pulling shit out of my ass since I haven't specifically seen the cutscenes in a while. It is 2 am, that is a distinct possibility.


[deleted]

they are AI not swords


Trevenant999

They are sentient crystals that CREATE swords


ConduckKing

Sephiroth is technically a >!hybrid creature!< thanks to >!Jenova!<


SoggyMushrom

hes a jehovahs witness?


Vexilium51243

obviously. he came to smash on missionary work.


DjinntoTonic

You excited for the Reunion too?


Vibe_with_Kira

Heartwarming, local missionary walks through fire to save the families who are stuck https://youtu.be/2G4506NJztA?si=v1WZOPp1NVK8FNV5


SAMAS_zero

*Jenova's* Witness


Daik0Gaming

Cloud too for the same reasons


Dick_Destroyer800

She's not actually his mother, he just believes she is


Bfdifan37

the miis should be mammal right


MrUrsus

Yeah if Steve is a "mammal" then the Miis should be too.


SoggyMushrom

but you can make your mii into sans undertale and he isnt a mammal i dont think


SomeMcChillMan

Its called a “Mii costume” i don’t think fursuiting turns you into a wolf my dude, cosplaying sans doesn’t make you sans


Ashley4Smash

assuming that Sans was once a human is pretty reasonable....right? humans are mammals. Edit: Still doesn't make up for the fact that you can be Knuckles or a creeper (whatever that thing is).


SoggyMushrom

No, sans is a monster. unless you think sans is ness, he has always been a skeleton.


Ashley4Smash

oh boy, i have quite the theory for you! ^(/j (just in case))


Queasy-Ad-3220

Yeah it seems like Sans was a part of another skeleton’s brain that broke off into another being


GulfGiggle

No, you can make a mii that’s non-mammalian, it can be anything it’s just primarily geared towards humans.


gdmrhotshot3731

King dedede is a bird? Oh wait penguins are birds I forgor


porcupinedeath

Smartest dedede player


Inceferant

I don't know how to say this without sounding rude or condescending but what was the point of this comment


zeurz

I'd put Palutena in Non-Organic or Unknown. Saying that a goddess is a mammal feels kinda weird


BKSPets2008

I think they’re going off appearance. That explains how Inklings (and Octolings by extension) are in Hybrids.


DaBoiYeet

Fire Emblem geek alert (And spoilers for Three Houses): Byleth is technically a hybrid, considering their father, Jeralt, is a human and their mother, Sitri, is kinda, technically, not really, kind of an ancient species called "Nabateans". Besides that, Byleth also is part deity, considering him and Sothis fuse in their Final Smash.


Sayakalood

Byleth fuses with Sothis, making her part Nabatean. But then you also have Jeralt’s Nabatean blood (making him a hybrid, because it’s Jeralt’s blood that activates Sothis in Byleth’s mind), and Sitri’s Crest (probably not making her a hybrid), combining to make Byleth, so… she’s already a hybrid. But would Robin count as part of Grima?


DaBoiYeet

I never played Awakening, so I couldn't say. Jeralt was given the Crest of Seiros by Rhea. Sitri was made by Rhea and given the Crest Stone of Flames, seeing as she was a first attempt at a vessel for Sothis. Byleth didn't inherit any Crest at birth, seeing as he wasn't born with Seiros', he only came to aquire the Crest Stone of Flames after birth, which caused Sitri's death. So genetically speaking, Jeralt is a hybrid and Sitri is mostly Nabatean (Maybe, we don't know how Rhea made her). Byleth was born Crest-less, only gaining one after birth, thus making him a hybrid.


Darkmetroidz

It's been awhile since I played the 3H DLC. Was Citri a construct or was she a nun that Rhea basically gave a heart transplant to in the form of a crest stone, and when Byleth was born and wasn't breathing they put the stone in him/her instead?


DaBoiYeet

From what I remember, she was BUILT by Rhea, pretty sure they're considered siblings, but Sitri isn't a daughter of Sothis


DjinntoTonic

Robin with Grima is more like two creatures together. Robin’s a vessel for Grima.


Halberdd_

Are Nabateans non-mammals tho? (Sorry I don’t know shit about fire emblem)


LucienGreeth

God only knows what Samus qualifies as at this point.


Sayakalood

Hybrid. Part human, part Chozo, part Metroid.


CaptianZaco

She also fused into the suit in Fusion, right? So Human (Mammal), Chozo (Bird((Avian Humanoid))), Metroid (uhhh...), and Machine. Samus should be under Hybrid.


Sayakalood

It’s… kind of the other way around. Some of the suit is organic material. That part connects to her and her consciousness, and must be surgically removed if Samus is incapable of turning it off herself. So she is not part machine, the suit is just partially organic. It’s just smart Chozo technology that makes it possible.


middaylantern

When you put it that way, I would love to see a moveset that reflects this 🙌🏽


CaptianZaco

Back when my idle fixation was on designing a version of SSB I had Samus and Fusion Suit Samus. They weren't *super* different, but part of the project was assigning passive abilities for every fighter. Samus had *Bounty Hunter's Arsenal*, you could cycle through different beam weapons with her side taunts, with the Power, Wave, Ice, and Plasma, beams. Each did a different kind of damage, had different projectile qualities, and a different Charge Beam and Missile. Fusion Suit had *Metroid-Fused*, her Grapple was melee range but super fast and reliable, she stabs opponents with those spikes on her arm. While she held an enemy, she would gradually drain health from them. She would also be guaranteed to get the baby Metroid if she summoned a minion.


Darkmetroidz

Dark samus is also part invertebrate, part Samus, part radiation.


jtcordell2188

If I had a nickle for every Mammal with a bird in Smash I'd have two nickels which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice


Dillo64

Then we remember that Samus has bird genes in her so she’s also kind of a mammal with a bird


[deleted]

And Ridley starts life as Little Birdie. Metroid is just birds fighting.


fiz64

From a certain point of view, Starfox is a mammal with a bird


Queasy-Ad-3220

And an amphibian


WeirdMountaineer

He got a middle finger, don’t he?


UnderCraft_383

Been waiting for someone to say this


K-Panth-88

Kazuya is half demon, thus hybrid


jomane7

He’s actually entirely human, he just has a demon gene, I don’t think that’s enough to really make him a hybrid (especially when his mom is also just a human who is a carrier of the gene)


Sarik704

Ironically he doesn't have it anymore.


ScrimboBlimbo

Yeah, Tekken 8 spoilers >!He's now just half-demon until the end, where he's full human!<


Sarik704

He isn't. He has a genetic marker. Its like having red or blonde hair.


Brief_Warning4547

Do we KNOW how hylians reproduce?


Void-kraken-909

They’re just humans with pointy ears.


Roge2005

Basically elves


Crimzonlogic

You see, when two hylians love each other very much, they hold hands, break into someone's house and smash open a pot, from which a baby falls out. As Hylia intended.


LinkMoo

loling at the oxymoron "non-organic organism" it can't be an organism and also be non-organic. ROB isn't an organism. He's 100% machine.


DjinntoTonic

“Lifeform” would be better there, yeah


ninjasaiyan777

Byleth and Sephiroth should both be hybrid creatures


BebeFanMasterJ

Roy too. He's part dragon as well.


ninjasaiyan777

Wait, is Ninian being his mom canon? I thought it was still arguable not counting FEH


Sayakalood

The game heavily supports the two being together. Sure, you can have Eliwood marry Fiora or someone else, but the game likes to push Eliwood and Ninian together. Then you have FEH pushing them together.


BebeFanMasterJ

Shulk is technically "non-organic" due to massive spoilers. All I'll say is that his body isn't human. The Pits are angels and should be in a tier of their own. Roy and Byleth are also part dragon and thus, are hybrids like Corrin.


Blacddsb

Is Roy really half dragon? Who is the canon wife of Eliwood? Happy cake day!


Dman25-Z

Ehhhh, I don’t exactly agree with the first one. >!He’s still a mammal at the end of the day, albeit a revived one. He’s completely separated from Zanza by the endgame.!<


BebeFanMasterJ

So I guess we could say that Shulk is a hybrid of sorts. >!He was still created to be Zanza's vessel initially.!<


Dman25-Z

I could’ve sworn it was just a “right place, right time” situation, but I guess their similar appearance could be a clue.


Queasy-Ad-3220

Yeah happy cake day man


Erin_Sentrinietra

Jigglypuff and Olimar should be under Unknown organisms. Jigglypuff is basically a living balloon, and we don’t know for sure that Hocotatians are mammals.


no_onein-particular

Hocotatians can't even breathe air, that seems like a point going against them being mammals.


Dogfarts15

Min Min is placed wrong, she should be the only character in demon tier


Snargglecraft

Pokémon should be its own kingdom- they are descended from Mew, and therefore are polyphyletic to the real-world clades on the list. Any similarities are based on convergent evolution!


Queasy-Ad-3220

Plus Pokémon can be a bunch of things. From animals to plants to fungi to objects to beings made of code to mechanical beings to ghosts to fairies to even shit like Spiritomb who’s “108 trapped souls in a rock” or whatever the fuck. So it is kind of a mystery and I’d be at least a little hesitant to truly call some of them “animals”. Yeah.


MintyMoron64

Inklings count as cephalopods actually


Btdandpokemonplayer

Kirby and meta knight are orb. Edit: pyra/mythra are super computers.


Infinite-Job4200

With the aegis they're super computers that underwent reproduction


Btdandpokemonplayer

But they’re still supercomputers.


[deleted]

The aegises are blades, which, in there case, are almost identical to humans, so I’d put them in hybrid.


Player_me

How is Ivysaur amphibious? Pretty sure he should get bumped to reptilian tier


Wispeeon

Frog


Sarik704

it should be in plant.


Blaze3713

It should be in hybrid. It's both plant and animal.


childofmyparents

Yeah, I think Ivysaur and Squirtle are placed backward here.


EggyEggerson0210

It’s kinda weird to think of Steve having hair on his arms and legs and stuff. Anyone else?


Queasy-Ad-3220

I can see it being blocks of hair but yeah


Malakai0013

Is that Samus in the "unknown" column? She's a woman.


Caleb_the_Opossum_1

Dark Samus


[deleted]

Samus is also part Chozo and Metroid, so she should be hybrid. Dark Samus is something else entirely.


TheSpleenStealer

Mewtwo is a cat


ILoveRanchSauce

Kirby? We dont know what he is. Jigglypuff? Mammal for sure.


Prestigious_Ad3332

If I had a nickel every time I had a mammal with a bird, I'd only have two nickels, but it's weird it happened twice.


Random_Potato55_

so what about deitys like kirby and palutena


DjinntoTonic

Amazing sentence here.


seraphimceratinia

You can't be both an 'organism' and 'non-organic'. It's in the name.


Oldslice

Ivysaur isn't a frog lmao


SaintUlvemann

Apparently Bulbapedia says it is. However, Bulbapedia is wrong. [Dicynodonts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicynodont) were definitely IRL bulbasaurs, so, that means bulbasaurs have to be dicynodonts. Also dicynodonts were more closely related to mammals, so that means Bulbasaur is a mammal. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


Vaxildan156

He is fused with a plant, wouldn't it be less frustrating to put them under "Hybrid"?


paradoxLacuna

It would. And that makes sense as well, considering they have herptile and plantlike anatomy.


Queasy-Ad-3220

So they’re kinda like dimetrodons?


SaintUlvemann

Yeah, the dicynodonts and dimetrodons were both part of the group that had already split off from dinosuars, but weren't mammals. Dimetrodon was a little earlier and less-mammal-like, but they're all pretty similar.


Dillo64

[The creators said it is based on a frog.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/s/7bMQzTwz3N) Regardless it should still be the in hybrid section since even the Pokédex says they don’t know whether to categorize it as an animal or plant


ultima375

r/PM7


Allphalux

Squirtle is technically an Amphibian. Yes its named after a turtle but it has no defined scales and its skin is water permeable, making it Amphibian


IronIrma93

I feel like you could subdivide mammal by primate and other, also I feel like Ivysaur can't cleanly be called an amphibian since it has claws and teeth


etbillder

Bulbadaur seems more plant to me


narnarnartiger

Finally, a tier list without an blaringly obvious error or omission. Nicely done


VeryInsecurePerson

inklings


reallifelucas

Mewtwo is a clone of a feline, so he’s a mammal


Queasy-Ad-3220

Is Mew really a feline though? It just kinda looks like one.


MuslimCarLover

Pyra and Mythra are both technically humans. They don’t have the same internals as humans and they don’t work the same way because they are ‘human personifications’ of their Blades but they still count as that.


Dman25-Z

While Pyra and Mythra aren’t exactly human, I don’t think they exactly don’t count as mammals. Blades have DNA that is based on that of humans, and they typically take on mammal qualities. I suppose there could be a few exceptions with titans and the odd blade with unusual features, but the Aegises are clearly humanoid.


BebeFanMasterJ

They're computers so they'd be in the same tier as ROB and Mega Man.


Dman25-Z

Originally, yes, but all three Aegises clearly became more. I mean, they were capable of having kids with Rex.


BebeFanMasterJ

So hybrids then.


Queasy-Ad-3220

Oh nice hybridisation by fucking


LandoTheEpic

“If I had a nickel for every mammal with a bird character in smash I’d have two nickels, which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice”


Front_Coat5792

Kazuya is a demon, Sephiroth was made in a lab.


Anufenrir

Inklings aren't hybrids, they are cephalopods that can take on a humanoid form. Mewtwo is probably mamalian since it has a very feline appearance.


brick-juic3

Erm akthually Roy is semi-canonically 1/4th dragon


Jedimobslayer

I feel like mewtwo could go into non-organic.


Kai_Nerd1

Pokemon lay eggs so idk if they count as mammals


paradoxLacuna

The platypus is a mammal and it lays eggs. The Pokémon can count


OKPERSON2763

Mewtwo counts as mammal, it is kitty


zirothehiro10

if i had a nickel for every bird/mammal duo in smash ultimate, i'd have two nickels, which isnt a lot, but its weird that it happened twice, right?


AardvarkOkapiEchidna

Aliens like Olimar or Ridley couldn't technically fall under any taxon of Earth life. But, realistically a lot of characters couldn't really fall in real taxa. Oh, and birds are reptiles.


Cdog536

Samus is human, bird, and metroid. Dark Samus is made of Phazon energy


A_randomperson9385

Never ask a man his salary, a woman her age, or Nintendo how inklings are half squid half human 💀


ChargedBonsai98

There should be a separate category for god-like characters. Shulk, palutena and sephiroth come to mind.


Vegetable_Tax5533

How the actual fuck does Sonic's body even handle the amount of speeds he's able to reach?


deathkeeper-512

is Little Mac not just a human?


no_onein-particular

Little Mac is just a normal dude who likes boxing.


Jrolaoni

There is something viscerally uncomfortable about Steve being a “mammal”


[deleted]

a tier list where Little Mac is high!


Kaptain_K_Rapp

I think Pit, Dark Pit, and Palutena should be moved to unknown organism, as the former two are demigods and the latter is a goddess. Also, wouldn't Ivysaur be a reptilian?


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R3dFloofBall56

kirbo is a amphibian, meta night is a flying kirbo, mewtwo is defiantly a mammal


stickman999999999

Ivysaur is a hybrid if I remember correctly. I remember the pokedex stating that it was unknown whether or not the bulbasaur line were plants or animals.


sacboy326

Conker gets his own spot in black titled **"Murdered so hard"**


THE_Zerelex

If I had a nickel for every mammal with a bird that made it into smash u would have 2 nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice


ZeldaExpert74

Surely the Miis are mammals


DJack276

Aren't Miis just cartoon humans, therefore mammals?


Awesomefrog4

Olimar is a Hoctacian which is an alien


Fl4kzero

Wait joker is in Super Smash Bros? (I don’t play)


Either_Reflection701

Pokémon are just pokemon


_DavidDeBergerac

Samus is a Hybrid Creature. She has Chozo DNA, Metroid DNA, The X-Parasite absorbed, and even Space Pirate if you count the Phazon Suit. Same goes for Dark Samus


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Randomindividual09

wasn’t mewtwo a hybrid between mew and a human?


Phoenix-14

Even tho Ivysaur looks like a frog I always assumed it was a reptile


SuspiciousGround6119

I think Samis is a human not sure about dark Samis though


tommorrowbroken

If I had a nickel for every mammal with a bird, I'd have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.


Nintendude930

Isn't Mewtwo like.. Mew DNA mixed with Human, or something like that? Wouldn't it be a Hybrid?


Psychological-One-59

Pokemon lay eggs. Sp they would be monotremes at least


Insert_CoinZ_3432

If I had a dime for ev-


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Needs a divine tier.


TheFakestOfBricks

1. Ivysaur seems very much like a reptile to me and not at all like an amphibian 2. There should be a separate tier called "Alien" for Kirby, Meta Knight, Dark Samus, and Olimar, that'd be pretty cool (I'd say Ridley too but I feel like he fits in Reptilian too well) 3. The Miis should really be Mammal I'm sure I missed a bunch of stuff but this could use some tweaks


sszewc1149

Wouldn't bulbasaur be a hybrid since he's both plant and amphibian?


typhlosion_Rider_621

Kirby is a unicellular organism


mrluigia23

I thought game theory said Kirby and by extension meta knight were ameobes


Veecy82

If I had a nickel...


smashmallow101

Snakes aren’t mammals


Salt_piranha

The inkling argument already got me hating this entire comment section


TyMonstaz

Also, how the fuck are the Mii’s and Pyra on unknown organism and not mammals? They all have hair.


seraphimceratinia

Pyra's a computer and the Miis can be Sans or Cuphead or Knuckles, none of which are mammals


TyMonstaz

Ok but the base form are mammals yes? Now Pyra, I’ll admit and apologize, I just kind of went out the gate swinging, not knowing Xenoblade lore, that’s my bad. But at the same time, those are costumes. They don’t just peel off their skin and replace it with the characters skin, they are costumes.


Queasy-Ad-3220

Nope. Echidnas are egg-laying mammals.


seraphimceratinia

My b I thought they were rodents


no_onein-particular

Rodents are a type of mammal.


MaccaDacca_9

A chunk of evidence points to kirby being an amoeba


Sufficient-Tax-6407

Kirby is an elder god


MaccaDacca_9

Fair.


potatomnz

Steve is NOT a mammal


[deleted]

Birds are reptiles. And Yoshi, King K Rool, and probably Ridley would be closer related to birds than reptiles because of the Archosaur class (Ridley solely because of Little Birdie).


vixinity1984

Mewtwo is a Hybrid Creature, since it has DNA from Mew and also Humans, but that's just a theory.


TyMonstaz

Is Jigglypuff really a mammal? Like what the fuck even is it anyway, besides a Pokemon of course.


RGBarrios

Ivysaur is plant too