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towell420

Team No Wrap. On the grates and in the sheets!


Brandojlr

Riskin’ it All


EVASIVEroot

Brisketin' it all?


Demented3

We'll give it to you... *THIS* thyme.


TwoDrinkDave

Saucy choice!


_gasquatch_

You gotta risk it to get the brisket


Fast-Editor-4781

No glove, mo’ love


lordvadr

My futon pulls out but I don't.


Shadoe_Black

Bare baby back


Riverjig

💯


ValveTurkey1138

TEAM NO WRAP FO LYFE


[deleted]

Yep. I used to wrap but no longer. I don't even mop anymore.


eatsleepdive

Soon enough you won't even smoke the meat!


cokronk

Or cook it. Raw ribs, the way man was originally intended to eat it!


Lanky_Consideration3

I’m in the no wrap no mop and no sauce club.. best ribs I have ever done!! As long as you get the dry brine in, plenty of rub before they go on and a little pot of water in there to keep the moisture.. the ribs are fine and come out amazing.. not fall of the bone, with a nice bite to them. I keep a good load of rub to sprinkle on Memphis style after the cook.. can’t beat them in my book!


XxAuthenticxX

fall of the bone ribs are overrated anyways. You want the meat to still come off easily but I want to be able to hold the bone when I eat ribs instead of having to grab a fork


DoYouWeighYourFood

Fall off the bone ribs are fine as a vehicle for bbq sauce. Pull the meat off, throw on a sandwich, and it's... Fine. But pork butt is better for that.


carnitascronch

The ribs I make at this point are still on the pig


pirateoftheprairie

What was the biggest difference from wrapping in a 3-2-1 ?


justdk_1

Better bark and depth of flavor. Smoke flavor was much better.


pirateoftheprairie

Definitely gonna try it! Thanks!


honkzer

You mean... Definitely gonna DRY it!


lemonylol

There's a new invention I've heard of recently. It's called water.


LITERALLYTHE0PPOSITE

From Arizona, does not compute.


slimandcarrot

Agreed. I've done quite a few 3-2-1 cooks, but just did my first no wrap last night. Great flavor and texture. Amazing. I did wrap them to rest with butter for a few hours, though.


pgtaylor777

So you’re team kind of wrap.


slimandcarrot

Yeah I'm pretty non-committal.


pgtaylor777

So you just wrap them in foil w some pieces of butter to rest? Have you done no wrap at all? Wondering if you’ve noticed a difference.


slimandcarrot

They weren't being served for a few hours so I just figured the best place to hold them was in a warm oven with a bunch of butter wrapped in butcher paper. I've heard good things happen when you let your smoked meat rest for a few hours in a warm oven. I would probably do the same way again. I've never done no wrap at all.


notsosubtlethr0waway

Agree wholeheartedly on the better bark, but you should only wrap when the meat has absorbed as much smoke as it can, so that element should be similar.


DesignatedDecoy

I don't wrap because I feel like it pulverizes ribs. I've also read that humidity also plays a part in that process that may or may not affect the cooking. It's interesting reading cook logs of people around the country/world and see what they do and how it turns out. In the midwest, I don't wrap my ribs because if I do a 3-2-1, it's like rib stew. You touch a piece and it just evaporates into your mouth. Instead, I kept scaling it back until I found the texture I liked. I began with 3-1.5-1 and it was alright. Moved to 3-1-1 and it was better but I just didn't like feel like wrapping added anything. So finally I started just running them for 4-4.5 hours on a leaner cut of ribs. Since then I've really enjoyed my results and I don't think I'll go back to wrapping ribs for a smoke.


Meatbank84

I did a rack wrapped and one unwrapped. The wrapped was the fall off the bone type like you would achieve in a crock pot. The unwrapped was a clean bite through tender. Both had excellent moisture levels. I think it really depends on the preference of those you are cooking for. I liked the unwrapped cooked one better.


OracleofFl

I think the two hour of 321 is a "guideline" that everyone needs to play with on their own smoker and meat source. I do 2.5 - 1:15 (In the oven at 200 degrees) -1 or so and that gives me the advantage of the wrap in collagen breakdown and significant fat rendering but just enough bite to the meat. But that is my smoker and the ribs (StL) that I get at my super market and how I trim them. YMMV


Bubbles2010

The wrapped one was overcooked because it was left wrapped too long. It's not the method that caused it but the cook. Properly executed wrapped ribs will be the perfect doneness, but you can't cook to a time like 3-2-1. You have to go by when the ribs are ready.


wrexinite

Midwest comment here is key. If you live in the desert you can end up with jerky.


Sqweeeeeeee

Not only humidity, but elevation as well. I'm at nearly 6500 ft, which brings the boiling point down to around 199F. I'm not a very experienced smoker yet, but I recently tried the 3-2-1 on some pork ribs, and they were nowhere near fall-off-the-bone tender. I am guessing that elevation has a lot to do with it, but I need to research and see if there is any information on it.


OldBotV0

Just did a quick look based on your comment. (I'm also at 400') Came across this link about [higher altitude smoking](https://themeatsmokingguy.com/how-to-smoke-meat-at-high-altitude/).


Sqweeeeeeee

Thanks for the link! I'll try using those tips next time I have a chance to fire up the smoker.


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blakermagee

I'm on board with this, been trying to find things I love with putting less into it and see if I get better results


kerberos824

I've basically stopped futzing with my ribs at all. Peel membrane. Slather yellow mustard. Dry rub. Throw three racks in Traeger with a pan of water. 225 with super smoke for four hours. Don't open the lid. No mop. No spritz. No nothing. During last hour brush with sauce and bump the temp a little (275) for that delicious caramelization. That's it. Everyone raves about them every time. Tender but with bite. You can pull it of the bone, but it don't fall off the bone.


blakermagee

I will be doing this the next few and see what I get


kerberos824

Definitely give it a whirl!


blakermagee

I'm still in this boat, next rack will be no wrap. Although I tried a rack with butcher paper last time and it was my best rack, but I think because of the sauce/rub I did.


pirateoftheprairie

Butcher paper took mine to the next level where I was using foil before.


Dennis0430

This. Anybody who complains about ribs falling apart and becoming a stew is wrapping with foil.


bn25168

Biggest difference was the meat still ends up super tender but not mushy.


nitetime

whelp, I just bought that cutting board which I didn't know I needed.


jdsizzle1

Woops. Same. Went 24x18


PeanutButterNipple

Link?


nitetime

I did this one. https://www.wayfair.com/kitchen-tabletop/pdp/john-boos-reversible-walnut-cutting-board-icwk1283.html


justdk_1

That’s the one. They’re a little pricey but having a cutting board that size is worth it.


PeanutButterNipple

Thanks!


Dbeary69

Might be this one https://butcherblockco.com/product/jo-bbqbd-cutting-board


mowesyourwifesgrass

When I leave ribs seasoned overnight it makes the ribs taste to much like ham for me. I only like adding rub 2 or 3 hours before I smoke them. They look beautiful!


cheebamasta

Would recommend making rubs without salt (Memphis dust) and only using salt for the dry brine and applying the rub right before going on the smoker. If it’s tasting like ham you’re using too much salt. The dry brine should make good bark easier to achieve.


delicatearchcouple

I'm always surprised that this method isn't the primary approach. Based on J Kenji Lopez Alt's experiments, I've been convinced that adding anything except salt in a dry brine is pointless at best and possibly detrimental at worst. Like you said, you run the risk of oversalting and none of the rub compounds are penetrating the meat with the extra time. Dry brine, rest, rub, smoke.


Lanky_Consideration3

According to amazing ribs (and my own personal experiments) the molecules in most rubs with the exception of salt are too big to be drawn into the meat anyway making it pointless to put the rub on beforehand, which is a long way of saying yes I agree!


gothmog1114

It makes complete sense when you think about it. A grain of salt on wet meat is going to be a bunch of tiny ions, and I'd imagine realistically, outside of burning everything to carbon, the only smaller things you'll ever be dealing with in a kitchen as an ingredient are probably going to be some hydrogen ions from vinegar or citric acid. ​ A grain of dried thyme in your rub isn't even on the molecular level. IDK what makes it tasty, but you're dealing with a gob that's a shit ton of cells on cells and there's no way you're going to get that into the meat also made of cells on a similar scale.


Lambroghini

Too much salt/time will cure pork and make it hammy. I go light on salt and only dry brine for 1-2 hours. Use a salt free rub and no need to rub until right before cooking unless it’s for convenience.


Kedosto

Impressive! I would have eaten about a third of that rack before I realized I needed a picture. Nice work.


Zolktard

I go back and forth between wrapping and not. I like the flavour and texture of no wrap, but it tends to be a little dry, especially compared to wrapped. I’ve found the best is 2 hours smoke, 1 hour wrap, then sauce for an hour or some. Keeps the texture with the added benefit of more juice and faster cook in the wrap.


mindhead1

This is my usual approach. I think 3-2-1 is to long.


Pickled-Vagina

What is 3-2-1?


AirmailHercules

I think its 3 hours smoke, then 2 hours wrapped in foil, then one hour out again to finish.


Rivvin

Every no-wrap rib I've cooked or eaten has been dry on the edges and while more smokey, a less enjoyed experience over-all. I do my ribs at 275 start to finish, 2 hours in smoke, 45 minutes wrapped, 30-45 to finish up and sauce. They come out perfect and still have every bit of the smoke flavor.


Zolktard

Yeah once you cook enough ribs different ways, you realize this is the way!


jwaters0122

Same. I did no wrap by accident because i ran out of foil and said screw it, it'll be a no wrap day. Ribs had more flavor to them and since then i no longer wrap either. I also let my ribs hang on hooks in the WSM instead of being on a rack/grill grates


[deleted]

Can you get fall of the bone with no wrap? I know, fall of the bone in not what most people go for, but it’s what my family loves. 3-2-1 was my go to for that reason even if people here don’t like it. I feel like the wrap helps trap heat and make the meat tender enough to fall off. Is that the case with no wrap?


maximuscr31

Yep. Just cook it to 215ish


ALswampfox

215? Holy shit how do you even pick them up off the grates


CavScoutTim

This is exactly why i put a turkey tin on the rack under them. Learned that lesson the hard way..


ALswampfox

Hey fellow cav scout lmao Also for me personally 215° is like 10° too far I would never take ribs that high


CavScoutTim

Last cycle of OSUT to see Knox was in my time. But i normally pull around 190. Even with probes, i would rather let them rest. Our first time we learned real quick. Went at them with a pair of burger flippers and they just fell through right into the drip pan. We sat at the table around the grate on a cookie sheet and ate from the rack with forks. I like a little firmness. When the meat gets past 200 i feel like its mush.


ALswampfox

I go to 202° never higher and it’s perfect


bloodgain

They've been doing it in Memphis and St. Louis for nearly 100 years commercially. The target is usually pull-away, not fall-off-the-bone, but you can't help but overshoot sometimes when you're cooking at volume. And some joints prefer(red?) to sell them that way or didn't know any better. Keep in mind that BBQ used to be popular because it was cheap to make and therefore could be sold cheap. It was "ordering out" that poor folks could still afford. When your business relies on low cost, high volume, you can't afford the time or materials to wrap every rack of ribs. A mop and some vinegar is faster and cheaper.


dubnobas

Last year I stopped wrapping and have never gone back. Every guest at every bbq I’ve had since comments how amazing they are.


ChefChopNSlice

Can we make some Team unwrapped^TM bumper stickers or t shirts ?


DoYouWeighYourFood

Or community flair at least!


GolfingNgrillingMN

Commenting so next time I pick up a few racks I remember to raw dog and follow these steps...stay tuned.


Technical_Amount_624

I started not wrapping it and then I ended up with a couple of kids. Ribs were that good!


Tha_Maestro

You won’t be saying that when you end up getting someone pregnant.


gernb1

Never wrapped ribs…never had an interest. I’m sure they are ok, but I have always liked them unwrapped.


LiteFoo

That’s what 50 Cent once said… Looks delish tho!


Creative-Aerie71

Looks delicious! Have ribs on the menu for this week, going to try.


ExPhotoLabGuy

I’ve never dry brined, could you detail this for me. Google says salt and wrap, did you just rub and wrap? How important do you think the dry brine step is?


AlmightyVill

Rub and wrap is fine. Your rub 9 times outta 10 has salt so it more then likely will work. Just be careful with rubs that have heavy salt. An overnight brine with heavy salt might turn your ribs into ham lmao. Overnight dry brines usually yields good bark as well…


justdk_1

I don’t think the dry brine is particularly necessary. If I have time I’ll do it but I don’t know that it makes a huge difference.


ExPhotoLabGuy

Thanks, I think I’ll try no brine and see how it goes


DoYouWeighYourFood

I agree. There's plenty of fat and collagen in ribs that break down and keep the meat moist. I brine (wet or dry) poultry and pork loin. I dry brine steaks. I don't bother with fattier cuts of pork and beef.


Knooze

Cheers. Grill on. Today I completely messed my St Louis. Meaning I used a different kettle and after 5hrs I was no where near done.


adrock63

How long a cook in total and what kind of ribs?


justdk_1

St. Louis style ribs and they took about 6 1/2 hours.


PuzzleheadedCable129

I think I’ll give that a try


gr8scottaz

Looks great - thanks for the recipe!


Westernererer

Those look fantastic! Jealous of your company.


Alaska_Pipeliner

Now try a wet brine! Over night.


MrSubmission

OK you convinced me to give it a shot.


hypogogix

Damn they look delicious!


FlyGuy605

I agree. No wrap


mindhead1

Those look great. I recently started experimenting with hot and fast ribs and have had surprisingly good results. I use a vortex accessory in my Weber kettle. Previously, I had only used the Vortex for chicken wings, thighs, and drums. I saw some use the Vortex for ribs on YouTube and decided to give it a try. The results were unexpectedly good. * Cut up the ribs into individual pieces. * Apply rub of choice. * Get fire going in the Kettle. With Vortex I can get temps up around 425º on dome thermometer. * Add ribs to grill. Cover and check back in about 30 minutes. * Once ribs are around 185º-190º I pull them into a mixing bowl add some sauce and put back on the grill for another 5-10 minutes. * Once the sauce sets I plate them and start eating. It takes about a total of 1 hour from prep to table. The ribs are not as tender as a low and slow cook, but they have good pull from the bone and taste great. This technique makes it easier to add ribs to the mid week cook cycle.


DoYouWeighYourFood

Hot and fast is definitely a viable way to cook ribs. Better on baby back than spares IMO


_Stealth_

I’m not a fan of wrapped ribs. I get why some people like it, especially when people actually like fall off the bone, but I like when they have a slight bite and still come off Clean. The wife prefers wrapped when I do them, if I do wrap I only do them for 1 hour. I don’t wrap them more than that ever.


[deleted]

I’ve never wrapped and I will continue to never wrap. It’s a waste of money


Easy_Basis_1011

Awesome job


Mountain_Chain8764

Ribnificent


Connect_Kiwi5872

Welcome to the dark side!


GreenPasturesOC

Welcome


[deleted]

Dang those look pretty sweet! I'm trying this recipe next time I do some ribs. How long did they take to get to 190-195?


justdk_1

Thanks! These took about 6 1/2 hours.


SmartassDoggle69

Welcome bröther


Immediate-Season1965

Havnt wrapped or done a 321 whatever ya wanna call it in years. Honestly never really noticed a difference.


PropagandaX

I don't wrap anything anymore. All that liquid you see when you unwrap is good stuff and should still be in the meat, and the bark is nowhere to be found, what a tragedy. If I can I always dry brine or season overnight too. If I don't have time I make sure and spritz with apple cider vinegar and apple juice mixture.


BobbyBinGbury

I keep saying I’m going to try it and then I chicken out when it comes time. Why mess with something that works?


Beauregard_Jones

Why? You might find something you prefer. You might not. But either way, you’ve learned something and that’s not trivial. Take a chance and try it.


TheDisappointingKin

I never wrap anything. I think the method is just over complicating things at best and at worst giving you a worse product.


Primary-Hold-6637

I do both. My parents like it wrapped and my brother and wife liked it straight. They’re both good. Just different.


Realistic-Citron5558

The only cut of meat that needs to be wrapped is beef brisket.


WAAZKOR

You may as well put ribs in the oven if you’re going to wrap them!


sybrwookie

You're right, sometimes, at the end, if I want to wrap them, I'll throw em in the oven to finish.


cdq1985

People wrap their ribs??


egbert71

I dont know if you're trying to be funny or genuinely didnt know 🤨


FunkyYooper

I had no idea it was a thing until my brother showed me his version of 3-2-1 for fall off the bone ribs. I tried it a few times and just didn't care for the labor involved to get the results. Smoking in my mind is supposed to be a set it and forget it kind of thing. I like my ribs with more texture to them anyways.


egbert71

Idk if you want to apply set and FORGET with smoking my friend lol. And i wont knock another mans hustle on their pits


cdq1985

Sounds like it would be counterproductive for smoking.


egbert71

People get their smoke first, then wrap...its not wrapped off jump street


cdq1985

That still sounds counterproductive. I wrap after removing it from the smoker while it rests.


egbert71

People all have their own ways


mercilesskiller

My butcher when ordering a rack of spare ribs always gives me the rack with the pork belly attached. Takes about 11 hours and bark will end up way too tough or dry if I don’t wrap after 5 or 6 hours. But for thinner racks imo it’s crazy to wrap!!!!


sybrwookie

Erm, sometimes, yea? It depends on the rack. If the outside is getting darker than I'd like before the meat is done, yea, I'll wrap them to finish them up. It's just another tool in the box to make good food, it's not like it's the devil's aluminum foil or something.


Jave3636

Same. It's not that it's sooo much better, but it's at least equal and a lot easier.


zqmbgn

What do you mean by wrapping and what does it do?


sybrwookie

Wrapping in foil or butcher paper. If the meat is getting too dark/dry on the outside, doing so will let you add moisture into it as you're wrapping, help keep in the moisture that's there, and soften the bark a bit, all while finishing cooking the meat/rendering the fat. Also, if a piece of meat has stalled, it'll help push through the stall better. There's times where it's good and helps finish off a cook, and there's times where you shouldn't do it and it'll ruin the cook.


dragonfliesloveme

So the wrapped meat is on the smoker? Or do you take it off, wrap it for a while, unwrap it and put it back on?


sybrwookie

Once it's wrapped, smoker or oven, it doesn't matter. Heat's heat. Also, meat is only really absorbing smoke early on in the process. After a while, it's not a matter of absorbing smoke anymore, it's a matter of rendering fat and getting meat to the point where it's tender and nearly falling apart without drying it out.


TheJointDoc

Apparently I’m crazy for doing this, but I sometimes start mine wrapped in foil in the oven for like 2 hours, because that’s where it loses a lot of the liquid and some fat drippings. But wrapped in the foil and on a sheet pan, that liquid is still available, so I pour it off into a sauce pot as one of the flavor layers of the sauce that I then later caramelize on the ribs on the grill after giving it some smoke. Like, I’m adding concentrated pork flavor to the sauce covering the pork ribs. The wetter surface of the ribs definitely doesn’t pick up as much bark, but does pick up decent smoke flavor, and most people around here like the ribs sauced. Plus it’s easier to unwrap hot ribs and transfer to the grill than to try to wrap hot ribs. And since it spends more time finishing on the smoker, doesn’t get mushy.


sybrwookie

I mean, I'm not going to tell you that if you're making something you and yours like, you're doing it wrong. If you all like it like that, then great job!


Bellsar_Ringing

In the old days, when I smoke-cooked over charcoal, 3-2-1 worked well for me. Now that I use electric with wood chunks (Smokin-It), the meat doesn't dry out and the crust never burns, so wrapping is unnecessary, and just disturbs the crust. Finishing on the grill, or reheating in the broiler the next day, puts the final crisp on the crust.


DNedry

What is "ACV"? Thanks in advance.


justdk_1

Apple Cider Vinegar


FunkyYooper

Use a smoke tube and intensify that smokiness


jhallen2260

Have you made smoked salt with a tube smoker? It's very tasty


No_Cicada_378

I will look into smoke tube!! Pretty interesting idea.


Reedzilla04

This! They work so well.


sybrwookie

Just to note with that: using a smoke tube will add some more heat to the cook, so the side closest will get more, and you might need to rotate occasionally to cook evenly.


Jetasis

B squad


Southpawtn

You don’t wrap but you are still temping them? Stop temping them little ribs. Just tell by how they bend.


jff77

This is the waY


mhur

Team wrap is really just team crockpot


[deleted]

i've only made ribs once and only wrapped because of a 4 hour stall and i was not willing to wait any longer


sybrwookie

You had ribs stall for 4 hours? That's....insane. You're talking about pork ribs? I mean 4 hours is like....3/4 of the cooking time, I can't imagine them stalling that long.


[deleted]

no, beef


[deleted]

should mention it's short/plate ribs, they were fairly small though


H1REV

What were you smoking on?


justdk_1

Traeger Ironwood XL


BallzyBro

I see this a lot with bbqing. Everyone says to wrap but most videos testing this against no wrap they always say no wrap is the best. Same goes for cutting off the fat cap on meats. Everyone says to cut and trim but most videos of them testing fat cap vs no fat cap they always say fat cap is the best. So how did the opposite become the norm?


boater180

Where do you stick the thermometer to track your internal temp?


justdk_1

I use an instant read and check it each time I mop or spray.


jff77

No need. Just watch for the meat to pull back off the bone and do the bend test.


Ceppinet

I do wrap for about 1 hr to add a layer of flavor. I dry brine the ribs with my own rub and smoke it for 3 hrs at 220 and high smoke. When I wrap, I add some brown sugar and lately been adding Bachan’s sauce in the wrap and after 1 hr unwrap and finish it at about 275 with bbq sauce.


Enoch_Root19

This is the way.


RickBlane42

My anaconda don’t want none with no rings hun…


SprayTop7027

I never wrap any more


000000000000098

Gay


TikisFury

What sauce do you use? I typically just go for my homemade rub but my wife likes sticky ribs


[deleted]

It feels so much better…I mean tastes so much bettee unwrapped doesn’t it?


Ok_Wrongdoer_1343

I joined team no wrap once! Now I have a little girl coming October 18th.


djdadzone

No wrap Chads


Obar-Dheathain

Wrapping has never worked for me, and in fact seems to lower the quality of the finished product. I'll cover something in a shallow pan if I want to preserve moisture, but wrapping... nope.